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Will Babar Azam break Virat's record of 50 ODI Centuries?

As bad as Babar is right now, he could have been a genuinely great batsman if he didn't lose his way when he was made the captain some 2 years ago.

He was a seriously high quality batsman vs pace. I remember in 2020 in that test series vs England, he made some 68 odd in 1st match which was such a high quality innings that Anderson looked visibly awed. He later said Babar makes you feel slow. Ricky Ponting who is a blunt pundit with a great eye knew right away in 2019 tour of Australia that Babar was technically brilliant.

But Babar ceased to grow as a batsman and infact started to decline due to complacency. His spin deficiencies became apparent in the subcontinent but he simply refused to improve. I've seen far far less technically correct batsman find a method to handle spin but Babar as if didn't even make an effort.

His white ball batting too became stale and outdated and has now reached a point where he is no longer a dependable bat and frankly, a nothing player currently.

Babar needs to dedicate himself completely to his craft ie. batting and have a Joe "50" Root like resurgence. The challenge though is tests should be Babar's best format and we neither play enough tests nor are any good at it. So it looks bleak from here on too.
As captain (62.72 vs pace)

Not as captain (47.11 vs pace)
 

Doesn't mean anything. If you saw the matches you know how and against who the runs were scored. For eg. An avg of 40 in 2019 SA away series is far better than whatever avg he produced in that pathetic Australia home series.

Babar has been in decline as a batter for over a year now.
 
Nobody is ever touching Kohli's hundreds or Sachin's aggregate runs or Murali's wicket tally. The format has lost it's relevancy & will continue to shrink further with every passing year. Realistically Babar will be able to feature in maximum 200 matches at the end of his career, that too if he is allowed to continue the clique tradition of playing every single match physically possible. Rohit will be the last batsman to enter the 10k club as Shakib will be the last bowler to grab 300 scalps unless someone goes on a rampage in either formats. It would be an incredible achievement for Babar if he even somehow manages to surpass Sanath/Ponting's numbers.
 
Babar can get 50 odi centuries but pcb need to arrange a long tour like Nepal vs Pakistan 3 odi then triangular series againsts uae and Malaysia
 
Hopefully 7 years down the line the thread title changes to Babar broke Virats record like it did for Virat vs Sachin.
I feel he has a genuine shout at the record. 5 centuries a year is at minimum expected from him so that is 35 more which can take total to 54 ODI centuries. I do have confidence that he will reach there.
 
Not sure about this. Pakistan is not playing ODIs till next year and i am sure there will not many in the future as well. Breaking this record will take around 300 matches for babar but he is not going to play that many.
 
I think Babar has been figured out by bigger teams. He is seriously struggling against spin bowling, and his feet seem to be going nowhere when facing spinners. He has been dismissed at midwicket while attempting shots numerous times in this World Cup.

He needs to step up and perform in pressure situations.
 
Hopefully 7 years down the line the thread title changes to Babar broke Virats record like it did for Virat vs Sachin.
I feel he has a genuine shout at the record. 5 centuries a year is at minimum expected from him so that is 35 more which can take total to 54 ODI centuries. I do have confidence that he will reach there.

How will Babar break the record with the fixtures Pakistan has in the coming years? Sachin and Virat had played 250+ ODIs at the same age as Babar is now.

Babar needs at least 250+ ODIs, 120 Tests, and 250+ T20Is if he ever wants to come close to Sachin or Virat's records. However, this seems impossible considering the limited number of matches Pakistan is scheduled to play in the coming years
 
People are acting as if kohli isn't gonna play for 4 more years.

Kohli is 35 but let's be honest. His fitness level is that of a 25 year old.

This lad will play till 2027

Plenty more centuries to come.
 
People are acting as if kohli isn't gonna play for 4 more years.

Kohli is 35 but let's be honest. His fitness level is that of a 25 year old.

This lad will play till 2027

Plenty more centuries to come.
The question is how many matches kohli will play in during that time period?
 
I would back Babar to score 4 or 5 centuries against Nepal in a 7 match ODI series. If they can have one of these each year, there's no reason why he can't make it to 50 hundreds in ODIs.
 
I would back Babar to score 4 or 5 centuries against Nepal in a 7 match ODI series. If they can have one of these each year, there's no reason why he can't make it to 50 hundreds in ODIs.
+1

Also, Babar should be back at rank 1 as well after WC. I would back at least 3 Pakistani batsmen to be among the top 10 rank after 1-2 years of WC.

Other players will start skipping matches and lose points for each skipped matches.
 
Nobody is ever touching Kohli's hundreds or Sachin's aggregate runs or Murali's wicket tally. The format has lost it's relevancy & will continue to shrink further with every passing year. Realistically Babar will be able to feature in maximum 200 matches at the end of his career, that too if he is allowed to continue the clique tradition of playing every single match physically possible. Rohit will be the last batsman to enter the 10k club as Shakib will be the last bowler to grab 300 scalps unless someone goes on a rampage in either formats. It would be an incredible achievement for Babar if he even somehow manages to surpass Sanath/Ponting's numbers.

Shakib already crossed 300 wickets. He has 317 ODI wickets now.

I agree with you that ODI format is slowly becoming irrelevant. It is now mostly about T20. Even T10 is starting to rise in popularity.

So, Babar or anyone else may not reach 50 centuries in ODI format.
 
Kohli's innings construction especially while chasing is unique. This requires elite fitness. It is just not possible for everyone. You need to be supremely athletic to take a lot of singles and twos and have power in reserves to attack in the back end. All this without cramping. Guys like Rohit sharma can get to 100s by hitting fours and sixes. Kohli doesn't do unless it is necessary.
 
No one will ever break the record. ODIs are being phased out pretty rapidly and most of the fan’s interest in ODIs has shifted towards T20s. Just look at Pakistani’s ODI schedule - no ODIs for the next year.
 
No one will ever break the record. ODIs are being phased out pretty rapidly and most of the fan’s interest in ODIs has shifted towards T20s. Just look at Pakistani’s ODI schedule - no ODIs for the next year.
Gill will get close for sure.
 
Yeah I think Gill has the biggest chance and probably would have, but I don’t think he’ll play enough ODIs to have the chance to.
Even if we play regularly you need a specific type of game to achieve that. Kohli played a unique role of Consolidator + Finisher especially while chasing. He could maintain the rate with singles and twos and shifts 4th or 5th gear towards the end. or even in the middle with risk free stroke play. THis is why career run rate can be misleading for guys like Kohli who handled multiple roles. Because of this his centuries were inevitable rather than he was chasing after them. Only recently i see him chase because of how long he had to wait for just one century after COVID. Among the modern guys Gill is the closest who is likely to adopt that role. He just has to tighten his game like Kohli had in 2014/15/16 period. Kohli missed 20 matches in the last 2 years.


Look at this year

Kohli 23 innings 6 centuries
Babar 24 innings 2 centuries
Gill 28 innings 5 centuries

Babar was world no.1 for the best part of the year. Gill is no.1 ranked player. Not like Kohli's strike rate is poor because of centuries. His strike rate is 99.97. Babar's 84. Gill's 105. Even now he is able to stay above the pack wrt centuries. GIll has a lot of room for improvement. So he is the most likely to get close to 50. Who knows. If he finds a crazy peak like Kohli he might eventually touch. But it depends on when Kohli retires.
 
People are acting as if kohli isn't gonna play for 4 more years.

Kohli is 35 but let's be honest. His fitness level is that of a 25 year old.

This lad will play till 2027

Plenty more centuries to come.

Yeah, Kohli is going to follow Tndulkar's path and retire around 39-40.

Likely right after the 2027 WC.

He has a lot to offer still and by the time he's done that ODI record is going to be sealed in stone as the format begins to give way to more T20Is.
 
Shakib already crossed 300 wickets. He has 317 ODI wickets now.

I agree with you that ODI format is slowly becoming irrelevant. It is now mostly about T20. Even T10 is starting to rise in popularity.

So, Babar or anyone else may not reach 50 centuries in ODI format.
You did not read the post properly. I am well aware of Shakib's milestone, I know he already had done it before the wc started. What I meant to say was that Rohit & Shakib are the last two individuals to enter that elite club for the unseeable future if not forever due to the dire circumstances & uncertainty regarding odi future.
 
Yeah, Kohli is going to follow Tndulkar's path and retire around 39-40.

Likely right after the 2027 WC.

He has a lot to offer still and by the time he's done that ODI record is going to be sealed in stone as the format begins to give way to more T20Is.
THere was a period Srilankan team was half decent with Sangakkara, Matthews, Chandimal. During that period lot of matches were played to help Srilankan cricket board. That is not going to happen anymore with the turmoil SL board is in.
 
Even if we play regularly you need a specific type of game to achieve that. Kohli played a unique role of Consolidator + Finisher especially while chasing. He could maintain the rate with singles and twos and shifts 4th or 5th gear towards the end. or even in the middle with risk free stroke play. THis is why career run rate can be misleading for guys like Kohli who handled multiple roles. Because of this his centuries were inevitable rather than he was chasing after them. Only recently i see him chase because of how long he had to wait for just one century after COVID. Among the modern guys Gill is the closest who is likely to adopt that role. He just has to tighten his game like Kohli had in 2014/15/16 period. Kohli missed 20 matches in the last 2 years.


Look at this year

Kohli 23 innings 6 centuries
Babar 24 innings 2 centuries
Gill 28 innings 5 centuries

Babar was world no.1 for the best part of the year. Gill is no.1 ranked player. Not like Kohli's strike rate is poor because of centuries. His strike rate is 99.97. Babar's 84. Gill's 105. Even now he is able to stay above the pack wrt centuries. GIll has a lot of room for improvement. So he is the most likely to get close to 50. Who knows. If he finds a crazy peak like Kohli he might eventually touch. But it depends on when Kohli retires.
Gill is not passing Kohli, no one is going to sniff that record, mate. You can't expect to chase such a humongous record by potentially playing only around 100 matches in next eight years. Kohli, Sachin, Murali all of them are safe & simply out of reach for future generation.
 
Gill is not passing Kohli, no one is going to sniff that record, mate. You can't expect to chase such a humongous record by potentially playing only around 100 matches in next eight years. Kohli, Sachin, Murali all of them are safe & simply out of reach for future generation.
YEs very hard to pass. But he is the only one who can get close as these two are similar.
 
Yes Indeed babar is very much capable!

If he plays a similar number of ODIs obviously he can get very close or maybe even break the record for the most centuries.
 
25 out of 50 centuries came against SL, Windies, BD, and Zimbabwe. Wow!

If Tendulkar, Anwar, Jayasuriya etc. played so many games against weak sides, they probably would've scored 50-60 centuries too.

What do you mean “wow”?

You do realise Kohli has nearly the same number of ODI hundreds than the history of Bangladesh cricket in 50 over cricket?
 
I would like to see Kohli play until the 2027 ODI World Cup but I wonder how burnt out he is playing at this level for all this time.
 
Even if he ends up with 28 centuries , it still would have been a decent career.
 
A career with very few highlights.

Numbers are meaningless unless people can’t really remember your heroics. Babar deteriorated as a player when he needed to go levels ahead.
 
A career with very few highlights.

Numbers are meaningless unless people can’t really remember your heroics. Babar deteriorated as a player when he needed to go levels ahead.
Babar would have been a legend in the era which didn't have T20 cricket. His game doesn't suit T20 kind of batting and which is why his game recently have dipped because he tried to do things which are not natural to him.
 
He is pakistani great and will end up as a pakistani batting legend. Unfair on him to compare with batters from other nations/ legends.
 
Babar would have been a legend in the era which didn't have T20 cricket. His game doesn't suit T20 kind of batting and which is why his game recently have dipped because he tried to do things which are not natural to him.
The pre T20 era also came with 1 ball rule in ODI cricket. You seriously believe Babar would have averaged 53 under that rule where Viv Richards averaged 47 and Sachin Tendulkar averaged 45?
 
The pre T20 era also came with 1 ball rule in ODI cricket. You seriously believe Babar would have averaged 53 under that rule where Viv Richards averaged 47 and Sachin Tendulkar averaged 45?
He wouldn’t have been a legend but would have had a Mohammed Yousuf style career.
 
10 match series v Zimbabwe

10 match series v Nepal

5 match series v Sri Lanka (home and away)

5 match series v Bangladesh (home and away)


Massive opportunity there
Sadly now he can't even do it now...the problem is not opposition babar of 2019-22 bashes everyone in the world
 
He is on track but very less ODIs scheduled in the next few years and they will only get less

So Virat's record will stand till the time ODIs are finished altogether
Babar hasn't scored a century since this thread was created.

Babar was / is never comparable to King Kohli .

:klopp :kp
 
Babar would have been a legend in the era which didn't have T20 cricket. His game doesn't suit T20 kind of batting and which is why his game recently have dipped because he tried to do things which are not natural to him.

He failed in every format as an impact batsman. He had potential and a great start to international cricket. Just at the moment he needed to take his game to another level and leave an imprint on the game, he went backwards, in all formats.
 
He wouldn’t have been a legend but would have had a Mohammed Yousuf style career.
No, he wouldn't. He would have literally cried dealing with those GOAT Aussie & ATG Proteus bowling attacks. It's a serious disrespect & disservice to Yousuf if Babar "Z basher" Azam is compared or thought to be of that man's level.
 
He failed in every format as an impact batsman. He had potential and a great start to international cricket. Just at the moment he needed to take his game to another level and leave an imprint on the game, he went backwards, in all formats.
This is very true - and the reality is, he just never had that bit extra the great players had. He didn’t have either quiet confidence nor swagger. Always batted with the look of a scared child
 
It’s highly unlikely, but if I were placing a bet (purely hypothetical!), I’d say, Babar might end with 30-40 ODI centuries if all goes well. More than that would be a wonderful bonus.

A comeback similar to Kohli’s resurgence in 2022 is essential for Babar to stay in the race.
 
This is very true - and the reality is, he just never had that bit extra the great players had. He didn’t have either quiet confidence nor swagger. Always batted with the look of a scared child

People had high hopes from him.
It’s not the failure that hurts. It’s the fact that he didn’t show the guts to go for greatness which hurts more. He just embraced mediocre stat padding and turned himself into a fringe player. The 2019 WC century, the test knocks in Australia showed great promise. But just felt like someone pulled the plug afterwards
 
No, he wouldn't. He would have literally cried dealing with those GOAT Aussie & ATG Proteus bowling attacks. It's a serious disrespect & disservice to Yousuf if Babar "Z basher" Azam is compared or thought to be of that man's level.
Yousuf was poor vs/in both Aus/SA. Had one 100 combined and averages late 20s/30s vs/in those countries.

He was better against weaker attacks on flatter pitches.

Exactly what Babar is.
 
Babar would have been a legend in the era which didn't have T20 cricket. His game doesn't suit T20 kind of batting and which is why his game recently have dipped because he tried to do things which are not natural to him.
Babar doesn't have the personality, nor the guts to perform against the kind of tough bowlers who used to dominate those ODI era.

Stat padding against B teams in useless bilaterals today is not the same thing as the time when bowlers used to take bilaterals seriously and 250 was considered a good score.
 
Yousuf was poor vs/in both Aus/SA. Had one 100 combined and averages late 20s/30s vs/in those countries.

He was better against weaker attacks on flatter pitches.

Exactly what Babar is.
What are you comparing against. If it’s ODIs, Yousuf’s record was good against both Australia and SA. If you’re talking about tests, I have broken down in another thread that Yousuf’s performances vs SA and Aus weren’t as bad as the stats suggest, but even if you want to take that simplistic view and say he stat padded against poor opposition - if you count England, India, West Indies and NZ as poor opposition then ok..

But even then, he averaged 52 over a career of 90 tests. Babar is nowhere near that - average of 42! That’s a massive difference even if you want to take the “both only played well against weak opposition”
 
What are you comparing against. If it’s ODIs, Yousuf’s record was good against both Australia and SA. If you’re talking about tests, I have broken down in another thread that Yousuf’s performances vs SA and Aus weren’t as bad as the stats suggest, but even if you want to take that simplistic view and say he stat padded against poor opposition - if you count England, India, West Indies and NZ as poor opposition then ok..

But even then, he averaged 52 over a career of 90 tests. Babar is nowhere near that - average of 42! That’s a massive difference even if you want to take the “both only played well against weak opposition”
England, NZ, WI and Ind were good but their bowling attacks were not on par with Aus/SA during his era.

Yousuf also played in an era of flatter pitches and Babar has shown he can score on flat wickets in the pre dustbowl era where he has scored runs against all of NZ, Eng, Aus and NZ/Aus amongst them had decent attacks.

His average has declined massively due to losing those home runs. His away performances have remained the same. His performance in SA this year is very much in line with his SENA performances at his “peak”.

With a mix of great home performances and decentish away performances maybe Babar could have also averaged near 50 that he did once.
 
England, NZ, WI and Ind were good but their bowling attacks were not on par with Aus/SA during his era.

Yousuf also played in an era of flatter pitches and Babar has shown he can score on flat wickets in the pre dustbowl era where he has scored runs against all of NZ, Eng, Aus and NZ/Aus amongst them had decent attacks.

His average has declined massively due to losing those home runs. His away performances have remained the same. His performance in SA this year is very much in line with his SENA performances at his “peak”.

With a mix of great home performances and decentish away performances maybe Babar could have also averaged near 50 that he did once.
Naah Yousuf was better batter than Babar. Yes he struggled in Australia & South Africa but apart from that he was pretty consistent run scorer. Only thing he never delivered in ICC events

Babar is textbook example of flat track bully. 1 century in SENA is awfully bad
 
Naah Yousuf was better batter than Babar. Yes he struggled in Australia & South Africa but apart from that he was pretty consistent run scorer. Only thing he never delivered in ICC events

Babar is textbook example of flat track bully. 1 century in SENA is awfully bad
Was also poor in India and SL who had decent bowling for turning pitches.
 
He never rises to the occasion, all his hundreds are meaningless. He can score 60 empty tons against second-string sides in meaningless matches… who cares?
 
So He is still behind Anwar
Not one performance from Babar is along same lines as Anwar in ODIs

Anwar’s performance in 2000 CT itself was remarkable two games two hundreds lol although they got knocked out thanks to inform Kiwis
 
Not one performance from Babar is along same lines as Anwar in ODIs

Anwar’s performance in 2000 CT itself was remarkable two games two hundreds lol although they got knocked out thanks to inform Kiwis
I mean in terms of no. of centuries. He is on 19. Anwar at 20. He has been on 19 for a while.
 
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