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Lol. People wanted him dropped
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Now they are doing the same with Babar

Now they are doing the same with Babar
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Lol. People wanted him dropped)
Now they are doing the same with Babar
Lol. People wanted him dropped)
Now they are doing the same with Babar
Let's not make this a Fakhar Zaman thread. I'll answer your question before I put the discussion back on track.
1)To be honest, no! It was a shut your eyes and whack the ball kinda innings. That was the only way he could have won that game for Pakistan and it came off. It wasn't a fluke or anything but I didn't see any 'universe of a difference' talent or temperament on display. It was never a measured or well planned innings to take context into consideration either in case that's the angle you're looking at.
Never wanted to compare Soumya and Fakhar. Just wanted to point out you're taking hyperbole to the next level just to belittle the Bangladeshi.
2)Talking about the NZ tour, even the guy you want to kick out of the team Mohammad Hafeez played well there. I don't remember him scoring any centuries either.
3)A batsman with good temperament usually scores big and gets his team across the line. You are mistaking a carefree batting style for temperament.
For me it'll always be Babar >>> Haris > Fakhar.
Fakhar seems an intelligent and calm headed person who is attack minded when it comes to his brand of cricket. Would like him to take over Sarfraz in T20Is at least and ideally ODIs as well. Should be an automatic selection for tests in Asia batting at 5/6 given his ability to score from spin. When his technique has improved he'll be ready to play outside SC against the red ball.
That's actually a good suggestion. Fakhar at number six would be quite handy in our test side, but unfortunately our management will play him as opener and he doesn't seem to have the technique to play the swinging ball due to lack of feet movement.
Fakhar at 6 and Sarfaraz at 7 in the test side will provide plenty of firepower and add depth to our side. Also he has the ability to bowl left arm spin which may help out Yasir and the quicks.
Imo Pakistan's ideal test batting line-up:
1. Azhar
2. Opener 2 (nighwatchman Sami needs to step up)
3. Shafiq (now or never for poultry farmer)
4. Babar/Salahuddin
5. Haris/Salahuddin
6. Fakhar
7. Sarfaraz
Let's not make this a Fakhar Zaman thread. I'll answer your question before I put the discussion back on track.
1)To be honest, no! It was a shut your eyes and whack the ball kinda innings. That was the only way he could have won that game for Pakistan and it came off. It wasn't a fluke or anything but I didn't see any 'universe of a difference' talent or temperament on display. It was never a measured or well planned innings to take context into consideration either in case that's the angle you're looking at.
Never wanted to compare Soumya and Fakhar. Just wanted to point out you're taking hyperbole to the next level just to belittle the Bangladeshi.
2)Talking about the NZ tour, even the guy you want to kick out of the team Mohammad Hafeez played well there. I don't remember him scoring any centuries either.
3)A batsman with good temperament usually scores big and gets his team across the line. You are mistaking a carefree batting style for temperament.
For me it'll always be Babar >>> Haris > Fakhar.
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Back to the topic.
Banter and even heated discussions sometimes keep things interesting but somewhere somehow the line has been crossed here I feel. I myself am of the opinion that Bangladesh is still a minnow side, although I would use the word second tier. But this thread has been used (or rather abused) to make fun of and belittle a team and its players. I think it's a bad thing to do. Don't think many Bangladeshis will accept people calling their team 'minnows'. That's how people are. It's sad that I have to tell this to the masters of denial.
And nobody is going to compare the Pakistani team with the Bangladeshi team just because they're next to each other in a ranking table somewhere. The guys that keep posting here to 'prove' again and again that Bangladesh is a minnow team are only showing their insecurity. Come on guys.
Fakhar Zaman > Afridi. But really that doesn't mean much.[MENTION=146346]Mr.Q[/MENTION] [MENTION=1650]Usman Chadda[/MENTION] Best not to further the Fakhar discussion on the Bangladesh thread.
Replying to your post here.
Fakhar's innings wasn't really a whack the ball kinda innings.
He was struggling against the pacers as India had figured out that he is harsh on any width and the pacers were bowling within the stumps or at his body. He played and missed quite a lot.
It was only when the spinners came on that he went after the bowling and it wasn't just blind slogging, it was a calculated attack. Fakhar is known for attacking spinners and he played to his strength. It wasn't an Afridi-type knock though he did play a couple of wild shots such as the one where he came down the pitch to Jadeja (?) and didn't get to the pitch off the ball, yet still smashed it and cleared the boundary by a small-ish margin. But overall, I wouldn't classify it as a 'blind-slogging' type knock. He took calculated risks.
Soumya is a more conventional player with a lot of ability but has failed over and over again in the past couple of years. I haven't watched much of Bangladesh's matches so not sure about the exact reason. Anyway, it's not a worthy comparison. Fakhar averages 15 more in FC cricket, 20 more in List A cricket.
Well, I'm not going to lie because it'll hurt the reputation of the bowling lineup or whatever. It's hard to have a plan for someone who is doing what Fakhar did. All you can do is hope the bowlers get the line and length right and get that white ball to get some grip on the surface. Setting an aggressive or in and out field in such scenario doesn't work very often.[MENTION=146346]Mr.Q[/MENTION] you are disrespecting your bowling attack and Virat Kohli quite a bit, if you think Fakhar Zaman upstaged India in the final with a slash and hack kind of innings. India were shocked by Fakhar's counter-attack against the spinners and they lost because there was no plan B for Kohli. That took temperament, since he had just lost Azhar. He's not really the most talented player, but has wonderful hand-eye co-ordination and mentally tough. The fact that he was playing only the fourth match of his career, not to mention against his arch-rivals, in a final, speaks volumes of his mental strength. He wouldn't have scored two half-centuries in NZ when everyone else was falling apart around him, if he didn't have the right temperament.
You really need to stop looking at scorecards in Cricinfo and watch the games. Hafeez's half-centuries were selfish and scored in completely different circumstances.
Comparisons with Sarkar are ridiculous. He has been playing for three years now, and he has had terrible returns. Not to mention, Sarkar does not have the ability to play the kind of innings Fakhar played in the CT final.
Babar Azam is also far from ready to play international cricket (even in UAE) since he is incompetent against spin and has major issues against the short ball.
Far from ready to play international cricket? If that's not an absurd claim then I've never seen one.
He's been the most consistent batsman for his team for the past 2 years and is highly rated by many ex-cricketers. He isn't a walking wicket against short balls or quality spin bowling. He has issues but even legendary players have weaknesses that they are able to get rid of overtime.
In tests yes he isn't even close to being international standards which an upcoming rookie should be at the very least.
He is awful against spin - watch how he played Herath in the 2 test series and isn't much better against the short ball is he really...
In tests yes he isn't even close to being international standards which an upcoming rookie should be at the very least.
He is awful against spin - watch how he played Herath in the 2 test series and isn't much better against the short ball is he really...
We want him to be prolific against everyone. If he turns out to be another Salman Butt, won't do us much good in the long run.Fakhar is the second coming of saeed.
I have a feeling that he will be prolific against india.He is the only pak batsman with so called jigra.
My prediction,he will be a 42 avg batsman with str rate 92.We want him to be prolific against everyone. If he turns out to be another Salman Butt, won't do us much good in the long run.
I think he is the best odi batsman of pak.
Babar will be a letdown.
twice he had a chance to put Lahore in the driving seat but he also seems like a big time choker.
Yup saw his innings in one of your domestic tournament.He should be in the team as soon as possible.Sahibzada farhan is also a good power hitter he should also be selectedStill early days for them. But if both of them work hard they will play for a long time. Babar is still young and at least 5-7 years away from his peak, Fakhar is 1-2 years away from his peak more or less. Pakistani batsmen usually peak around 30 years of age.
These two aren't the only good Odi batsmen in Pakistan right now, there are some players who might get a chance soon, like Hussain Talat, he looks taylor made for modern ODI cricket, can play aggressively or defensively, can hit sixes against against all types of bowlers, almost equally good on both on and off side, and he's a decent medium pacer and good athlete as well, that's just like icing on the cake.
He has performed poorly in tests so far but that doesn't make him "far from ready to play international cricket". He has shown glimpses of his potential in that format. Test cricket is cricket and not some other sport. He has done well in LOIs and he will transfer his ODI form into tests soon enough.
Pakistan team depends so much on him, its ridiculous. Others have to contribute too.Looked really nervous today.
Missed out on a few freebies and didn't even try to rotate the strike.
Not a great shot either.
he will be fine
he was our only batsmen ( apart from Shadab) to stand up to NZ in NZ
just needs to learn to deal with the fact that UAE pitches are slow
How to ruin a decent T20I and ODI batsman.....pick him for Test cricket and watch him struggle.
Open with Babar and Shan. Fakhar should bat at 3.
Fakhar is a dashing one-day batsman and has shown he can get big scores and win matches.
But - let's not try to make him what he is not, a test batsman. Some players have what it takes mentally to adapt to test cricket , others struggle. Fakhar has lost confidence by his poor performances in test matches and this in turn is now affecting his confidence in batting in ODIs, as he has now experienced that feeling of job insecurity in tests and he's carried that across into the ODI team where his position was settled. He has the body language of a player who thinks he's one or two failures from being dropped.
Let him get his confidence back and watch him excel in One-day cricket in the years to come.. mark my words
Pakistan arrange 7 match series aganist Zim / UAE so fakhar gets his confidence
Fakhar is a dashing one-day batsman and has shown he can get big scores and win matches.
But - let's not try to make him what he is not, a test batsman. Some players have what it takes mentally to adapt to test cricket , others struggle. Fakhar has lost confidence by his poor performances in test matches and this in turn is now affecting his confidence in batting in ODIs, as he has now experienced that feeling of job insecurity in tests and he's carried that across into the ODI team where his position was settled. He has the body language of a player who thinks he's one or two failures from being dropped.
Let him get his confidence back and watch him excel in One-day cricket in the years to come.. mark my words
where is the century maker Imam.... you will play the batsman who scored 2 (10) at no.3 and drop 101 (116)
The stand and deliver approach is not working.
Smashing most balls to the fielders.
Not looking to play the ball with soft hands.
Not looking to place the ball.
Not looking to build an innings.
Not looking to change his approach.
Seems like there is no Plan B.
what is the batting coach doing about this? surely it's something he would know how to handle? it's not like he lacks the ability, he's just not in the zone mentally
Don't drop him. Without Sharjeel he is our last hope of big scores in the WC.
Actually imam sedate approach is great as it will give him the opportunity to take calculated risky shots in the 1st 15 overs as opposed to opening with Sharjeel which could reduce Pakistan to 0-2 or 15-2...Totally agree with this - many posters seem to forget if it wasn't for his knocks in the CT final and tri-series T20 chase against Australia, Pakistan would have lost both games. He was also the side's best bat in the NZ whitewash series.
In fairness to him Imam's sedate approach actually puts too much pressure on Fakhar to go hard in the first 10 overs.
If he can find a partner who can bat at a SR of at least 85+ in the first 10 overs, Fakhar will be able to play a longer innings.
Yes he's struggling with the short ball aimed at his body but unlike other players he has the drive to improve his game. Once he's ironed his deficiencies he'll be ready to play tests in all conditions. For now we need his batting against spin at UAE and SC.
As a batsman his presence is needed because he's selfless and has the ability to win matches on his own. The rest of the batting line up on the other hand are mere accumulators.
The stand and deliver approach is not working.
Smashing most balls to the fielders.
Not looking to play the ball with soft hands.
Not looking to place the ball.
Not looking to build an innings.
Not looking to change his approach.
Seems like there is no Plan B.
It's a tricky one. Sometimes these things get sorted out in the nets and all looks fine, but the issues reappear in a match situation.
Ok so he has played two "Top Teams" since the CT. New Zealand, and South Africa. He has struggled against SA. But in the 7 matches he played against NZL his stats are as follow:
Matches - 7 (5 of them In NZL)
Runs - 304
Ave - 51
SR - 86
50's - 4
Yeah but one tough series in SA and we should drop him for good because the almighty and all knowing poster of PP knew he was going to fail and his technique was never good enough. All his performances at the Intl level have been flukes so let's dust them under the carpet, and drop him forever.![]()