Will Liverpool be the next version of Manchester United 2.0 after the exit of Jurgen Klopp?

[The Bald Eagle]

The fortunes of Red Devils changed significantly after the exit of great Sir Alex Ferguson. The drop in form for Manchester United was so drastic that United who were once the bully of Premier League just collapsed so low that ever since could never even get a hold of the EPL title. Jurgen Klopp, a man of great stature and the force behind the Liverpool's Renaissance is destined to leave at the end of 2023-2024 season.

So the question is will Liverpool suffer the same ignominous fate as Manchester United or will the like their fierce competitors Manchester City just keep on breaking new records without any turbulence?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Manchester United suffered badly after Mr Ferguson, Chelsea just collapsed after Abrahimovic, Arsenal crawled badly for 5 years after Wenger exit so will Liverpool face the same trauma?

@shaz619 ,@Technics 1210 and @topspin share your thoughts guys.

 

[Extra_Cover]

The recent history does indeed suggest that upcoming season Liverpool would struggle to keep up with the ranks. Further with their star players on the older side does add conviction to that theory.

Salah is going old and although he has performed phenomenally he cannot still be single handed carry them forever. I see a recovery phase for Liverpool post Klopp and Salah.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The recent history does indeed suggest that upcoming season Liverpool would struggle to keep up with the ranks. Further with their star players on the older side does add conviction to that theory.

Salah is going old and although he has performed phenomenally he cannot still be single handed carry them forever. I see a recovery phase for Liverpool post Klopp and Salah.

Salah will leave to Saudi 100 %, Van Dyk may slip too.

 

[shaz619]

Manchester United suffered badly after Mr Ferguson, Chelsea just collapsed after Abrahimovic, Arsenal crawled badly for 5 years after Wenger exit so will Liverpool face the same trauma?

@shaz619 ,@Technics 1210 and @topspin share your thoughts guys.

Am not a fan of either club, but ignoring the ownership issues at United, whoever plays for them seem to have this very entitled attitude.

Liverpool have a better system in place and a winning formula, I also think their stars are not as spoilt as they are at United. I think Klopp has also agreed a proper exit plan so the transition is smooth. LFC will suffer but not sure if it will be to the same lows as United.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Am not a fan of either club, but ignoring the ownership issues at United, whoever plays for them seem to have this very entitled attitude.

Liverpool have a better system in place and a winning formula, I also think their stars are not as spoilt as they are at United. I think Klopp has also agreed a proper exit plan so the transition is smooth. LFC will suffer but not sure if it will be to the same lows as United.

Yeah but i think this once they would suffer because Klopp was there nearly for a decade.

 

[topspin]

Manchester United suffered badly after Mr Ferguson, Chelsea just collapsed after Abrahimovic, Arsenal crawled badly for 5 years after Wenger exit so will Liverpool face the same trauma?

@shaz619 ,@Technics 1210 and @topspin share your thoughts guys.

The problem for Liverpool is they have a sell-to-buy policy under the FSG ownership, so in the long-run there is a risk that they might end up going back to the Pre-Klopp era. Attracting big names will become more difficult once Klopp goes. He was excellent at player development so if the new manager fails in this regard, Liverpool will suffer because they won't be able to sell on players.

In the short-term I think Liverpool will be okay because I expect them to receive at least £100m for Salah. Those funds can be used to help them a buy a new CB and a DM. If they still have money to spare, they should also buy a right winger, but when I see how Liverpool have performed without Salah during AFCON (and injury), I think it's important they prioritise DM followed by CB positions first before they acquire a replacement for the Egyptian.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The problem for Liverpool is they have a sell-to-buy policy under the FSG ownership, so in the long-run there is a risk that they might end up going back to the Pre-Klopp era. Attracting big names will become more difficult once Klopp goes. He was excellent at player development so if the new manager fails in this regard, Liverpool will suffer because they won't be able to sell on players.

In the short-term I think Liverpool will be okay because I expect them to receive at least £100m for Salah. Those funds can be used to help them a buy a new CB and a DM. If they still have money to spare, they should also buy a right winger, but when I see how Liverpool have performed without Salah during AFCON (and injury), I think it's important they prioritise DM followed by CB positions first before they acquire a replacement for the Egyptian.

Great insight bro, may be because of money factor only Man city is immune to such a tremor.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Aftershocks of Klopp's exit appearing too soon
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Real Madrid are monitoring Trent Alexander-Arnold's contract situation at Liverpool.

Current deal expires in June '25 with no talks underway as of now.

Liverpool have not indicated any desire to sell at this stage.

There's no indication of player's views so far.

 

[hassan918]

I don't think Liverpool will be facing the same situation especially if they can have Xabi Alonso as their next manager.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Liverpool are set for another decade of challenging for sliverware . This is a pipe dream of some

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Liverpool are set for another decade of challenging for sliverware . This is a pipe dream of some

I just hope you are right bro, but the new manager will have to fill a great void then. Hoping for Zidane against all odds.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I just hope you are right bro, but the new manager will have to fill a great void then. Hoping for Zidane against all odds.

We have a great squad , incredible young talent & directors who have proven to recruit well .

Yep the manager is key but with some luck we will get someone who knows how Liverpool want to play . Being defensive is not an option at Anfield

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Fergie was involved in all aspects of running MUFC. He ran almost every department. It was a Fergie dictatorship built up over 20 years and the foundations built by young lads he hand picked who set high standards for many many years.

Probably the only thing he didn't do was groom an assistant to take over that could keep the operation running.

Klopp is an excellent man manager and galvaniser. He has built up a great relationship with the fans and people of Liverpool but I think Liverpool will be able to slot another manager in no problem. They are far more organised than Utd were during Fergies last year.

 

[PakLFC]

People seem to be ignoring the genuine threat facing Man City. If found guilty they may even find themselves playing non league Football so severe can the penalties be. No, Liverpool will not falter when the next manager walks in. The difference is Sir Alex was responsible for Man Utd 2.0 where as Liverpool's version will be under a new manager. The next manager who ever he is will come with his own idea's and philosophy. Jurgen leaves behind a very strong squad despite the financial restrictions imposed on him by FSG. We have never been the highest spenders in the transfer market.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

People seem to be ignoring the genuine threat facing Man City. If found guilty they may even find themselves playing non league Football so severe can the penalties be. No, Liverpool will not falter when the next manager walks in. The difference is Sir Alex was responsible for Man Utd 2.0 where as Liverpool's version will be under a new manager. The next manager who ever he is will come with his own idea's and philosophy. Jurgen leaves behind a very strong squad despite the financial restrictions imposed on him by FSG. We have never been the highest spenders in the transfer market.

But the question is how many of them will persist with LFC after Klopp's exit. I forsee Salah and Van dyk leaving.

 

[Mamoon]

Am not a fan of either club, but ignoring the ownership issues at United, whoever plays for them seem to have this very entitled attitude.

Liverpool have a better system in place and a winning formula, I also think their stars are not as spoilt as they are at United. I think Klopp has also agreed a proper exit plan so the transition is smooth. LFC will suffer but not sure if it will be to the same lows as United.

What winning formula? 1 PL 1 UCL in 10 years is not a winning formula. If Arteta leaves Arsenal after 10 years and has just two major titles under his belt, I would look back at his era as underwhelming.

Winning formulas in the PL era were SAF’s United, Pep’s City, Mourinho’s Chelsea and Wenger’s Arsenal in the first half of the Wenger era.

Klopp is nowhere near. About time someone calls out the BS narrative and glorification of Klopp’s era which is by far the most overrated era in history of English football.

Klopp is nothing more than a good manager and he has had a good period. That is it. He is not done anything that any other manager cannot replicate with the qualities of players that he has had at his disposal.

He has only two major trophies in 10 years to show for in spite of boasting some of Liverpool’s greatest ever players in his squad and world class players who would be good enough to play for any team.

When you have players like Salah, Mane, Trent, VDD, Alisson etc. at your disposal and you only win two major trophies in 10 years, you can’t get defensive about the lack of trophies and use Man City as an excuse.

If you have lost 5 titles to City with these players and won it yourself only once, you have to look into the mirror and blame your lack of cutting edge and poor managerial skills.

A proper manager would have won Liverpool at least three league titles in this period.

Not to mention that in the last 4 years, Liverpool have had two seasons where they either scraped into the top 4 or finished outside the top 4. Have two such seasons with such elite players badly exposed Klopp as a manager.

Klopp is one of the most overrated managers in history and he leaves Liverpool with an insignificant legacy in the PL.

Gary Neville was right to shut Carragher down when he labored under the delusions that the Liverpool-City rivalry was the best in the PL era. Gary rightly pointed out that it is not even a rivalry to begin with because City won 5 titles compared to Liverpool’s 1.

City have completely squashed City and real rivalry is what United and Arsenal had between 1996 and 2005. The City Liverpool rivalry from 2018 to 2024 is nothing in comparison. It is one way traffic.

SAF left United having won 5 league titles in 7 years. It was a mammoth task for any manager to fill his boots and keep the winning mentality going.

Any manager who replaces Klopp at Liverpool will not have keep the winning mentality going because there is no winning mentality to begin with.

Instead, he will have to instill that mentality into a squad that is content with being the bridesmaid and he will have to ensure that Liverpool win more than one league title in the next ten years.

Klopp’s “pashun”, the brilliance of individuals like Salah and Trent and the fake rivalry with Pep where got a bloody nose year in year out and left Pep with a small scratch on his bald head has won him a lot of plaudits but when you dig deep into his Liverpool career and put things into perspective, there is not much to write about.

 

[shaz619]

What winning formula? 1 PL 1 UCL in 10 years is not a winning formula. If Arteta leaves Arsenal after 10 years and has just two major titles under his belt, I would look back at his era as underwhelming.

Winning formulas in the PL era were SAF’s United, Pep’s City, Mourinho’s Chelsea and Wenger’s Arsenal in the first half of the Wenger era.

Klopp is nowhere near. About time someone calls out the BS narrative and glorification of Klopp’s era which is by far the most overrated era in history of English football.

Klopp is nothing more than a good manager and he has had a good period. That is it. He is not done anything that any other manager cannot replicate with the qualities of players that he has had at his disposal.

He has only two major trophies in 10 years to show for in spite of boasting some of Liverpool’s greatest ever players in his squad and world class players who would be good enough to play for any team.

When you have players like Salah, Mane, Trent, VDD, Alisson etc. at your disposal and you only win two major trophies in 10 years, you can’t get defensive about the lack of trophies and use Man City as an excuse.

If you have lost 5 titles to City with these players and won it yourself only once, you have to look into the mirror and blame your lack of cutting edge and poor managerial skills.

A proper manager would have won Liverpool at least three league titles in this period.

Not to mention that in the last 4 years, Liverpool have had two seasons where they either scraped into the top 4 or finished outside the top 4. Have two such seasons with such elite players badly exposed Klopp as a manager.

Klopp is one of the most overrated managers in history and he leaves Liverpool with an insignificant legacy in the PL.

Gary Neville was right to shut Carragher down when he labored under the delusions that the Liverpool-City rivalry was the best in the PL era. Gary rightly pointed out that it is not even a rivalry to begin with because City won 5 titles compared to Liverpool’s 1.

City have completely squashed City and real rivalry is what United and Arsenal had between 1996 and 2005. The City Liverpool rivalry from 2018 to 2024 is nothing in comparison. It is one way traffic.

SAF left United having won 5 league titles in 7 years. It was a mammoth task for any manager to fill his boots and keep the winning mentality going.

Any manager who replaces Klopp at Liverpool will not have keep the winning mentality going because there is no winning mentality to begin with.

Instead, he will have to instill that mentality into a squad that is content with being the bridesmaid and he will have to ensure that Liverpool win more than one league title in the next ten years.

Klopp’s “pashun”, the brilliance of individuals like Salah and Trent and the fake rivalry with Pep where got a bloody nose year in year out and left Pep with a small scratch on his bald head has won him a lot of plaudits but when you dig deep into his Liverpool career and put things into perspective, there is not much to write about.

You big up Arteta even when hasn’t won anything significant yet, he may do, but you glorify him like everyday. Klopp genuinely restored LFC’s footballing heritage in England.

 

[Mamoon]

You big up Arteta even when hasn’t won anything significant yet, he may do, but you glorify him like everyday. Klopp genuinely restored LFC’s footballing heritage in England.

If Arteta leaves Arsenal with only one PL title in 10 years, I will look back at his era with disappointment. Klopp has done the bare minimum that was expected of him after 10 years.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What winning formula? 1 PL 1 UCL in 10 years is not a winning formula. If Arteta leaves Arsenal after 10 years and has just two major titles under his belt, I would look back at his era as underwhelming.

Winning formulas in the PL era were SAF’s United, Pep’s City, Mourinho’s Chelsea and Wenger’s Arsenal in the first half of the Wenger era.

Klopp is nowhere near. About time someone calls out the BS narrative and glorification of Klopp’s era which is by far the most overrated era in history of English football.

Klopp is nothing more than a good manager and he has had a good period. That is it. He is not done anything that any other manager cannot replicate with the qualities of players that he has had at his disposal.

He has only two major trophies in 10 years to show for in spite of boasting some of Liverpool’s greatest ever players in his squad and world class players who would be good enough to play for any team.

When you have players like Salah, Mane, Trent, VDD, Alisson etc. at your disposal and you only win two major trophies in 10 years, you can’t get defensive about the lack of trophies and use Man City as an excuse.

If you have lost 5 titles to City with these players and won it yourself only once, you have to look into the mirror and blame your lack of cutting edge and poor managerial skills.

A proper manager would have won Liverpool at least three league titles in this period.

Not to mention that in the last 4 years, Liverpool have had two seasons where they either scraped into the top 4 or finished outside the top 4. Have two such seasons with such elite players badly exposed Klopp as a manager.

Klopp is one of the most overrated managers in history and he leaves Liverpool with an insignificant legacy in the PL.

Gary Neville was right to shut Carragher down when he labored under the delusions that the Liverpool-City rivalry was the best in the PL era. Gary rightly pointed out that it is not even a rivalry to begin with because City won 5 titles compared to Liverpool’s 1.

City have completely squashed City and real rivalry is what United and Arsenal had between 1996 and 2005. The City Liverpool rivalry from 2018 to 2024 is nothing in comparison. It is one way traffic.

SAF left United having won 5 league titles in 7 years. It was a mammoth task for any manager to fill his boots and keep the winning mentality going.

Any manager who replaces Klopp at Liverpool will not have keep the winning mentality going because there is no winning mentality to begin with.

Instead, he will have to instill that mentality into a squad that is content with being the bridesmaid and he will have to ensure that Liverpool win more than one league title in the next ten years.

Klopp’s “pashun”, the brilliance of individuals like Salah and Trent and the fake rivalry with Pep where got a bloody nose year in year out and left Pep with a small scratch on his bald head has won him a lot of plaudits but when you dig deep into his Liverpool career and put things into perspective, there is not much to write about.

Arteta has won nothing in 4 years .

Klopp is up against arguably the greatest club team in history with more money than anyone in European football .

Your post is a perfect example of a bitter Arsenal fan , a fan who never attends any matches , never kicked a ball & is more interested in emotional trolling than understanding the sport .

 

[The Bald Eagle]

If Arteta leaves Arsenal with only one PL title in 10 years, I will look back at his era with disappointment. Klopp has done the bare minimum that was expected of him after 10 years.

If Arteta wins even a single EPL title in his 10 or less years then i would consider him on par with Klopp too. But right now no comparison at all.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If Arteta wins even a single EPL title in his 10 or less years then i would consider him on par with Klopp too. But right now no comparison at all.

Klopp has champions league title too . Let’s not count the finals .

Arteta will do well to make it to the final once .

 

[shaz619]

If Arteta leaves Arsenal with only one PL title in 10 years, I will look back at his era with disappointment. Klopp has done the bare minimum that was expected of him after 10 years.

He won everything and they’ve consistently competed with the best, you make a big deal out of the competing you’ve been doing, so what’s the difference here? ultimately LFC fans should judge him best and he has cult like status in Liverpool

Arsenal haven’t won in like forever, assuming you win and are still competing for the top flight championship I think it ought to be a big deal when you haven’t been there for a while

 

[PakLFC]

But the question is how many of them will persist with LFC after Klopp's exit. I forsee Salah and Van dyk leaving.

If they both or just one leaves they will be replaced by players of equal quality if not better. There is also a question mark over Barcelona linked Diaz as well. Michael Edwards and Richard Hughes know what they are doing. We can talk providing VVD and Salah's expectations are realistic. I would sell Salah for £100 million, that amount for a 31 year old would be great business. If the Arab's want him that bad then show us the money. The media is exaggerating making it sound that everyone will leave when JK departs.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

If they both or just one leaves they will be replaced by players of equal quality if not better. There is also a question mark over Barcelona linked Diaz as well. Michael Edwards and Richard Hughes know what they are doing. We can talk providing VVD and Salah's expectations are realistic. I would sell Salah for £100 million, that amount for a 31 year old would be great business. If the Arab's want him that bad then show us the money. The media is exaggerating making it sound that everyone will leave when JK departs.

You don't find players of salahs easily, the guy has broken records at Liverpool for fun.

And the idea that players decline when they turn 30 isn't true anymore, look at ronaldo, Lewandowski and others who remained great after turing 30. Salah is a great athlete who is incredible shape and takes care of his fitness devotedly

 

[PakLFC]

You don't find players of salahs easily, the guy has broken records at Liverpool for fun.

And the idea that players decline when they turn 30 isn't true anymore, look at ronaldo, Lewandowski and others who remained great after turing 30. Salah is a great athlete who is incredible shape and takes care of his fitness devotedly

We ain't gonna beg him to stay no matter how good he is. Another thing is being an Arab he would be a top target for their clubs. We can't offer paying him £700,000 a week like Al-Hilal etc would pay him. He would be the poster boy of Arab Football even though their league is rubbish they desperately want him. Financially we can't compete with these Arab clubs. We need to be realistic about him naturally being attracted to the Arab league.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Arteta has won nothing in 4 years .

Klopp is up against arguably the greatest club team in history with more money than anyone in European football .

Your post is a perfect example of a bitter Arsenal fan , a fan who never attends any matches , never kicked a ball & is more interested in emotional trolling than understanding the sport .

Just not get too ahead of ourselves, lets see what Arteta could do on this Sunday. If he wins then Mamoon may get his wish answered.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Liverpool fans need to stop acting like Man city domination in English hasnt happened before with other teams. All off a sudden loads of 2nd places finish are now supposedly seen due to "points totals" or Man city have loads of money to spend.

Liverpool dominated the mid 70s and all of 80s and had more money to spend then other teams, it didn't stop Everton or Arsenal winning titles at the time.

The same way at start of PL, Man united dominated and had more money, yet wenger got 3 league titles.

Mourinho walked in against an invicbles side and Man united and won league titles.

You look back to late 80s and 90s the same thing being said about Man city now, was bring said then about Liverpool and Man utd respectively.

Klopp is a good manager, but he's underachieved in regards to trophies won at Liverpool. Fans need to stop acting like finishing 2nd in current era is dome sort of medal or honour compared to the past.

Klopp deserves respect, but Liverpool fans go way overboard with excuses of falling short with usual victims mentality.

Liverpools owners have plenty of money to spend but they choose not to, klopp rather then challenging the owners to be more ambitious has pretty much done what wenger did with kronkes. Just acting as a shield for when fans wanted to point finger at someone for failure.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta has won nothing in 4 years .

Klopp is up against arguably the greatest club team in history with more money than anyone in European football .

Your post is a perfect example of a bitter Arsenal fan , a fan who never attends any matches , never kicked a ball & is more interested in emotional trolling than understanding the sport .

Again the Man City excuse. Liverpool fans always hide behind this excuse to mask the failures of Klopp

No matter how you spin it, just a single league title in 10 years while having players like Salah, Mane, Trent, VDD, Alisson etc. for the better part of this decade is a failure for Klopp.

Since 2017/18, City have won 5 league titles and Liverpool have won 1. That is a failure for Klopp.

With the players that Klopp has had at his disposal, it should have been 4-2 to City in this period not 5-1.

Liverpool had two title run ins with City and they ended up the bridesmaid on both occasions. That is a failure for Klopp.

In 2018/19, Liverpool had a 10 point lead at the top of the table after MW 20.

With a starting XI of Salah, Bobby, Mane, Henderson, Trent, VDD, Robertson and Allison, they were more than good enough to see off City and protect their massive lead at the top. The fact that they didn’t is a failure for Klopp.

In 2020/21, Liverpool sneaked into the top four on the last day of the season and were miles off the top and in 2022/23, they finished 5th and were again miles off the top.

Having two such mediocre seasons in the last four years with the elite players that Liverpool have had is again, a failure for Klopp.

Klopp era has brought some success for liveroool and the much coveted elusive PL title but it has seen its fair share of failures and low moments as well and Klopp’s needs to be held responsible for that and hiding behind the City excuse will not always work.

 

[Mamoon]

If Arteta wins even a single EPL title in his 10 or less years then i would consider him on par with Klopp too. But right now no comparison at all.

With all due respect, your comparison of Klopp’s Liverpool with SAF’s United in the OP was lazy and not grounded in facts & realities.

SAF won 5 league titles in the last 7 years before he left. United were a team with a winning mindset. Winning was part of the culture and DNA of the club and it was instilled by SAF.

In comparison, Klopp’s Liverpool have a very vague idea of having a winning mentality. They have won 0 major trophies since 2020 and have only two major trophies in 10 years.

A year ago they did an open bus parade for winning the FA Cup and the League Cup. SAF’s United treated the League Cup like friendlies and even the FA Cup wasn’t something to celebrate much because they were used to and always aiming for winning the big prize, the PL title.

Any manager who replaces Klopp at Liverpool is going to walk into a completely different environment and culture than the one SAF left at United in 2013.

David Moyes had the challenge of sustaining that winning mindset and ensuring that the standards don’t fall off but he failed to do that and no United manager since has been able to do so.

The manager who will replace Klopp at Liverpool will have a different challenge on hand. He will have to instill a winning mentality in Liverpool and teach them how to be the bride and not the bridesmaid which has been the hallmark of the Klopp era except for 1-2 seasons.

Klopp has been a very good manager but he is massively overrated and his era has been heavily romanticized. In reality, his PL legacy is nothing in comparison to SAF, Pep, Mourinho and Wenger.

All these managers who would have more multiple league titles in 10 years with the players that Klopp has had to work with.

 

[Mamoon]

He won everything and they’ve consistently competed with the best, you make a big deal out of the competing you’ve been doing, so what’s the difference here? ultimately LFC fans should judge him best and he has cult like status in Liverpool

Arsenal haven’t won in like forever, assuming you win and are still competing for the top flight championship I think it ought to be a big deal when you haven’t been there for a while

When you have the players that Klopp has had at his disposal, competing alone is not enough. You have to win multiple times.

Liverpool in the last 6-7 years have had a phenomenal group of players. The fact that City have won 5 while Liverpool have won 1 league title only in this period reflects very poorly on Klopp.

I don’t doubt that he has a cult status and Liverpool. Of course he does. Liverpool have been a joke of a club in the PL era. The fact they had 0 PL titles for a club of their size, history & magnitude was beyond embarrassing.

Klopp got them over the line and it was great but you have to build on that too. Liverpool were expected to build on their title win in 2020 and create a legacy but they stopped right there and not only did they not win the league for four years, they also scrapped into the top four once and finished fifth once with such an elite group group.

Coming back of Arteta, when Arsenal win their first league title under him it will feel like a relief for sure because they club hasn’t won in so long. However, you wouldn’t want to stop right there. That can’t be the ambition.

You have to win multiple times and create an era of dominance. If Arteta is walking out of Arsenal in the year 2030 with just one league title, it will feel underwhelming and an unfulfilled era.

No matter how you look at it, one PL title only in 10 years is a failure for Klopp and Liverpool fans should be open to accepting this legit criticism without getting defensive and playing the convenient City card to make Klopp’s failures.

 

[PakLFC]

Seems as as Xabi Alonso is set to stay at Bayern Leverkusen. I have to question his ambition if he chooses not to take the big job at Anfield. It seems that he is happy in his comfort zone instead of taking the risk of managing Liverpool. After this I don't see us ever going for him again. I much prefer Rubin Amorim to De Zerbi as second choice.

 

[Mamoon]

Seems as as Xabi Alonso is set to stay at Bayern Leverkusen. I have to question his ambition if he chooses not to take the big job at Anfield. It seems that he is happy in his comfort zone instead of taking the risk of managing Liverpool. After this I don't see us ever going for him again. I much prefer Rubin Amorim to De Zerbi as second choice.

You need to understand that Xabi Alonso is looking out for the Real job and rightly so.

Ancelotti’s contract expires in 2026 and he is highly unlikely to renew. If Xabi Alonso continues to do well at Leverkusen, he will be offered that job by virtue of his status as a former Real player.

There is a very good possibility that he already has an agreement in place.

Therefore, it is has nothing to do with lack of ambition. In fact, it shows his ambition because he wants to manage the biggest club in the world.


This will hurt Liverpool fans ego but if both Liverpool and Real come calling for you, whether you are a player or a manager, you would be a fool to pick Liverpool.

I’m certain that Alonso would have been a Liverpool manager this summer if he had no shot at managing Real any time soon.

As far as Bayern is concerned, they want him too but it is extremely unlikely because of the relationship that he has with the Leverkusen fans and board. It will almost feel like a Judas move.

 

[Amjid Javed]

reality check time. Liverpool fans now saying Alonso has no Ambition. News flash Liverpool job, isn't the biggest Management in premier league, let alone in world football.

What Alonso has done so far at Leverkusen is excellent. Top of German league, still in Europe, still unbeaten.

Did it occur to loserpool fans that Alonso might want to repay Leverkusen faith in him, by staying a few more years. He could end up being the guy who ends Bayerns German league domination if he won 2 or 3 titles in a row, maybe he wants to test himself in CL with Leverkusen as a manager. Why does he need to rush things?

Reality is Liverpool owners have no ambition in terms of winning trophies, if they did they would invest more, rather then the self sustaining model used while klopp has been in charge.

At one point klopps Liverpool had a better side then man city. But owners decided they didn't need to invest to really put one over City.

Real, Bayern jobs will be there for Alonso in future, as will possibly the man city job one day if he waits around long enough.

With Liverpool fans being used to make excuses for falling short and crying about other teams spending more money etc... the perfect manager for falling short all time so Liverpool can keep up this excuse would be Gareth Southgate.

 

[ads101]

The man united side under Ferguson that won the premier league was a squad on its last legs. It heavily relied on Robin Van Persie too who was pretty much done next season. A total rebuild of the squad was needed, it wasn’t as good as people made out. Yet people just turned on the new manager instead. I think Man united have been paying for that mistake ever since. In hindsight it was probably worth going with a more established manager who could have ripped up the squad and not be questioned. Moyes probably would have been a decent manager, he just came in at the wrong time.

This Liverpool squad is different. It actually is a good squad. Not as strong as a few years ago, but still good. I think there’s more to work with, and I don’t think players (or fans ) will have the ego to blame the manager like they did after Ferguson left. They will understand it’s tough to make the transition.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

With all due respect, your comparison of Klopp’s Liverpool with SAF’s United in the OP was lazy and not grounded in facts & realities.

SAF won 5 league titles in the last 7 years before he left. United were a team with a winning mindset. Winning was part of the culture and DNA of the club and it was instilled by SAF.

In comparison, Klopp’s Liverpool have a very vague idea of having a winning mentality. They have won 0 major trophies since 2020 and have only two major trophies in 10 years.

A year ago they did an open bus parade for winning the FA Cup and the League Cup. SAF’s United treated the League Cup like friendlies and even the FA Cup wasn’t something to celebrate much because they were used to and always aiming for winning the big prize, the PL title.

Any manager who replaces Klopp at Liverpool is going to walk into a completely different environment and culture than the one SAF left at United in 2013.

David Moyes had the challenge of sustaining that winning mindset and ensuring that the standards don’t fall off but he failed to do that and no United manager since has been able to do so.

The manager who will replace Klopp at Liverpool will have a different challenge on hand. He will have to instill a winning mentality in Liverpool and teach them how to be the bride and not the bridesmaid which has been the hallmark of the Klopp era except for 1-2 seasons.

Klopp has been a very good manager but he is massively overrated and his era has been heavily romanticized. In reality, his PL legacy is nothing in comparison to SAF, Pep, Mourinho and Wenger.

All these managers who would have more multiple league titles in 10 years with the players that Klopp has had to work with.

Yep I second you Klopp was no SAF but if someone wins a league for Lfc after 30 years then certainly he is a special one like Mourinho and deserves that respect. The thing is at that moment who would have invested on then no big names like Mane and Salah, even Van dyke was nobody then, Klopp's pampering of their egos just did the trick for LFC so that is why the void after him would be too big to fill like SAF.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Xabi Alonso, who was seen by many as Liverpool's top target to replace Jurgen Klopp as their manager, said on Friday he is staying at Bundesliga leaders Bayer Leverkusen next season

The 42-year-old Spaniard has Leverkusen on course for a trophy treble, including their first ever German league crown.

"It's been a season of speculation regarding my future," Alonso told a press conference.

"Up till now we have been busy and focused on the season and I wanted to reflect during the international break and take a decision.

"Last week I had a meeting when I informed (Leverkusen's directors) of my decision to continue being coach of Bayer Leverkusen."

Alonso said he was still developing as a coach and he felt Leverkusen, his first senior team coaching post, is the best place for him to continue growing.

"At the moment this is the right place for me to develop as a coach, I am a young coach," he said.

"Right now this is the right place. I have to thank the management.

"The club had been supportive and I feel respected by all departments."

Alonso has a contract until 2026 but had been linked with moves to Liverpool, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich, all clubs where he spent time as a player, having done a stunning job at runaway Bundesliga leaders Leverkusen.

Leverkusen are unbeaten this term with 34 victories and four draws and are 10 points clear of Bayern Munich and on track for their first ever Bundesliga title with eight games remaining this season.

The former Spain midfielder, who was a member of the side that won the Euro in 2008 and 2012 as well as the 2010 World Cup, is aiming to complete a treble.

Aside from topping the table they are in the final four of the German Cup and the quarter-finals of the Europa League and could potentially meet Liverpool in the final.

Alonso's coaching experience was limited to the Real Sociedad B team when he was appointed Leverkusen coach in October 2022, but he showed he had natural talent as a coach as he saved them from relegation.

With Alonso out of the race to replace Klopp the frontrunners are believed to be Sporting Lisbon head coach Ruben Amorim and Brighton's Italian manager Roberto De Zerbi.

De Zerbi can further impress his potential employers on Sunday as he takes his side to Liverpool and is yet to come off second best against Klopp in four meetings.

Speaking in Liverpool after Alonso had made his announcement, Klopp said he understood his decision.

"He is doing an incredible job there. Leverkusen has a good team and they will probably keep the team together," Klopp said.

"That's a possibility and not all years it is like that. So I understand that he wants to do that."

Klopp shocked the football world when he announced in January he would be standing down from the Liverpool job after a hugely successful nine-year stay.

In 2020 he delivered their first league title since 1990, a year after landing the 2019 Champions League.

Alonso preferred not to comment directly about the Liverpool vacancy or indeed Bayern Munich, who were hoping to attract him to replace Thomas Tuchel, who is leaving at the end of the season.

Tuchel's departure is a consequence of Alonso's success -- should Leverkusen hold their nerve and lift the Bundesliga trophy it will bring to an end Bayern's run of 11 successive league crowns.

"I think it wouldn't be correct of me to talk about other clubs when they are in this situation," said Alonso, who remains a devoted Liverpool fan and encouraged his son to be one as well.

"For sure there are clubs I have a strong link, I play there. So I respect them. But it's not correct for me to talk about them right now.

"It's more that the conviction I am in the right place at Bayer Leverkusen and I want to keep growing with the club, growing with the players.

"I am at this stage in my young career. I had to feel the decision was in a natural way and that's why I have taken it."

Liverpool target Xabi Alonso says staying as Leverkusen coach

Xabi Alonso, who was seen by many as Liverpool's top target to replace Jurgen Klopp as their manager, said on Friday he is staying at Bundesliga leaders Bayer Leverkusen next season.

www.france24.com

 

[Amjid Javed]

Alonso the football, coach and person comes across as intelligent. His dad was a manager. Alonso himself has played under Rafa, Jose, Pep and Ancelotti so you can tell he has enough sense to know how to develop. So no shock he's rejected going to Liverpool

 

[Markhor]

Liverpool fans need to stop acting like Man city domination in English hasnt happened before with other teams. All off a sudden loads of 2nd places finish are now supposedly seen due to "points totals" or Man city have loads of money to spend.

Liverpool dominated the mid 70s and all of 80s and had more money to spend then other teams, it didn't stop Everton or Arsenal winning titles at the time.

The same way at start of PL, Man united dominated and had more money, yet wenger got 3 league titles.

Mourinho walked in against an invicbles side and Man united and won league titles.

You look back to late 80s and 90s the same thing being said about Man city now, was bring said then about Liverpool and Man utd respectively.

Klopp is a good manager, but he's underachieved in regards to trophies won at Liverpool. Fans need to stop acting like finishing 2nd in current era is dome sort of medal or honour compared to the past.

Klopp deserves respect, but Liverpool fans go way overboard with excuses of falling short with usual victims mentality.

Liverpools owners have plenty of money to spend but they choose not to, klopp rather then challenging the owners to be more ambitious has pretty much done what wenger did with kronkes. Just acting as a shield for when fans wanted to point finger at someone for failure.

Klopp has had too many stumbles at the final hurdle. He's not on the level of Shankly and Paisley like some fans claim. Frankly I find him a bully whose nice guy mask slips the moment he's under pressure.

However Man City's net spend compared to their rivals since the Arab takeover, factoring in for inflation, is disproportionately higher than whatever Liverpool spent in the 1970s and 1980s or Man Utd in the 1990s compared to their respective rivals.

Despite being a Liverpool fan, I respect how Ferguson built that Utd empire. They quickly capitalised on the wave of private commercial investment into the Premier League after 1992. They redeveloped their stadium, revamped their scouting network and Academy - and reaped the rewards.

There was no gaming the system through artificially inflated sponsorship deals or financial doping like Man City. These state funded clubs have ruined the essence of football and killed whatever passion I once had for a sport I avidly followed as a kid.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Klopp has had too many stumbles at the final hurdle. He's not on the level of Shankly and Paisley like some fans claim. Frankly I find him a bully whose nice guy mask slips the moment he's under pressure.

However Man City's net spend compared to their rivals since the Arab takeover, factoring in for inflation, is disproportionately higher than whatever Liverpool spent in the 1970s and 1980s or Man Utd in the 1990s compared to their respective rivals.

Despite being a Liverpool fan, I respect how Ferguson built that Utd empire. They quickly capitalised on the wave of private commercial investment into the Premier League after 1992. They redeveloped their stadium, revamped their scouting network and Academy - and reaped the rewards.

There was no gaming the system through artificially inflated sponsorship deals or financial doping like Man City. These state funded clubs have ruined the essence of football and killed whatever passion I once had for a sport I avidly followed as a kid.

Chelsea before Man city threw money around like it was confete, yet teams still competed around them.

But if you actually look at Liverpool at a point a few seasons ago, Liverpool had a better team. Liverpool had the opportunity to spend money to build upon that, the owners chose not to, also klopp should have been brave enough to demand more from the ownership. On top of that Liverpool fans should have put pressure on their club to show more ambition. Ultimately Liverpool fans choose to cry about how much Man city have to spend rather than focusing on Liverpool becoming complacent, showing a lack of ambition and a longterm plan. This is why the 2 poor seasons happen as well.

Liverpool had a strong and smart transfer policy which showed. Be smart in market and don't have to break the bank unless you are signing a Van dyyk or Allison. There is only so far a so called self sustaining model will take you, to get over the fine margins you sometimes have to take a risk which Liverpool haven't. In PL 1 title in 9 years under klopp is poor.

So Ultimately liverpools failure when at their peak was their own fault, to stay at top you have to keep evolving and show ambition. Liverpool had the players, manager, recruitment right but chose not to be ruthless enough to want to dominate the PL.

Rightly or wrong how city have gone about their business will be found out soon, but ultimate their owners always show ambition, have planned for long term success and haven't become complacent.

Klopp essentially acted same way as wenger, wasn't brave enough to call out his club owners for wanting real success.

If klopp wins a 2nd PL it will be a slightly better reflection of his time here, 1 title is very underwhelming and his management as dortmund manager will be seen as a better reflection then his time at Liverpool

 

[KingKhanWC]

Again the Man City excuse. Liverpool fans always hide behind this excuse to mask the failures of Klopp

No matter how you spin it, just a single league title in 10 years while having players like Salah, Mane, Trent, VDD, Alisson etc. for the better part of this decade is a failure for Klopp.

Since 2017/18, City have won 5 league titles and Liverpool have won 1. That is a failure for Klopp.

With the players that Klopp has had at his disposal, it should have been 4-2 to City in this period not 5-1.

Liverpool had two title run ins with City and they ended up the bridesmaid on both occasions. That is a failure for Klopp.

In 2018/19, Liverpool had a 10 point lead at the top of the table after MW 20.

With a starting XI of Salah, Bobby, Mane, Henderson, Trent, VDD, Robertson and Allison, they were more than good enough to see off City and protect their massive lead at the top. The fact that they didn’t is a failure for Klopp.

In 2020/21, Liverpool sneaked into the top four on the last day of the season and were miles off the top and in 2022/23, they finished 5th and were again miles off the top.

Having two such mediocre seasons in the last four years with the elite players that Liverpool have had is again, a failure for Klopp.

Klopp era has brought some success for liveroool and the much coveted elusive PL title but it has seen its fair share of failures and low moments as well and Klopp’s needs to be held responsible for that and hiding behind the City excuse will not always work.

Usual rambling .

Man City were 10 Points behind Arsenal at the back end of last season . Yes Arteta & his team bottled it , showed no heart , caved in , threw in the towel or however you want to describe it … but couldn’t city to the title . Real Arsenal fans know the strength of City . Arsenal may win tomorrow but most of their fans are worried. A defeat is on the cards .
M

Arteta has won nothing & yoire predicting some golden 10 year rule loads of silverware

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Usual rambling .

Man City were 10 Points behind Arsenal at the back end of last season . Yes Arteta & his team bottled it , showed no heart , caved in , threw in the towel or however you want to describe it … but couldn’t city to the title . Real Arsenal fans know the strength of City . Arsenal may win tomorrow but most of their fans are worried. A defeat is on the cards .
M

Arteta has won nothing & yoire predicting some golden 10 year rule loads of silverware

After two crucial injuries, arsenal have a chance now but lets see how it goes.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Klopp has had too many stumbles at the final hurdle. He's not on the level of Shankly and Paisley like some fans claim. Frankly I find him a bully whose nice guy mask slips the moment he's under pressure.

However Man City's net spend compared to their rivals since the Arab takeover, factoring in for inflation, is disproportionately higher than whatever Liverpool spent in the 1970s and 1980s or Man Utd in the 1990s compared to their respective rivals.

Despite being a Liverpool fan, I respect how Ferguson built that Utd empire. They quickly capitalised on the wave of private commercial investment into the Premier League after 1992. They redeveloped their stadium, revamped their scouting network and Academy - and reaped the rewards.

There was no gaming the system through artificially inflated sponsorship deals or financial doping like Man City. These state funded clubs have ruined the essence of football and killed whatever passion I once had for a sport I avidly followed as a kid.

Ferguson had little competition, only Arsenal & a season of Newcastle, yet didn’t get near 100 points . You can bring 2 Fergusons in their prone to manage Utd & may never win the league in 10 years .

What Klopp did to turn a very average club to be competing & winning silerware almost every season is a great achievement. You’ll see Arteta not doing anything close

 

[KingKhanWC]

After two crucial injuries, arsenal have a chance now but lets see how it goes.

Yea, all in Arsenals favour now . Due to injury news I think it will now be 2-2 .

If Arsenal don’t beat City now away , they never will for another decade

 

[Mamoon]

Usual rambling .

Man City were 10 Points behind Arsenal at the back end of last season . Yes Arteta & his team bottled it , showed no heart , caved in , threw in the towel or however you want to describe it … but couldn’t city to the title . Real Arsenal fans know the strength of City . Arsenal may win tomorrow but most of their fans are worried. A defeat is on the cards .
M

Arteta has won nothing & yoire predicting some golden 10 year rule loads of silverware

You didn't address any of the points that I raised because you clearly cannot. You cannot justify 1 league title in 10 years and two rubbish seasons in the last 4 years with a fantastic group of players that were capable of winning the league.

Arsenal should have won the league last season, no doubt about that and this is why I said that if Arteta wins only one league in 10 years and leaves, I will look back at his era with disappointment.

Let me put it this way - if Arteta leaves Arsenal with the exact same achievements as Klopp has left Liverpool with, I will view him as an underachiever.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ferguson had little competition, only Arsenal & a season of Newcastle, yet didn’t get near 100 points . You can bring 2 Fergusons in their prone to manage Utd & may never win the league in 10 years .

What Klopp did to turn a very average club to be competing & winning silerware almost every season is a great achievement. You’ll see Arteta not doing anything close

Ferguson had no competition? shows that you watched zero football between late 80s and 2013 if that's the case. Blackburn won the same number of PL titles as Liverpool have in last 30 years.

Also what's 100 points got to do with anything? Regardless of whether you win the title with 78 points or 98 points the best team in that year wins the league. Once again all this over hype and ifs and buts ultimately is just excuses from Liverpool fans to hide behind fact a manager has won 1 title in 9 years.

But all of sudden now liverpools 2nd place finishes are seen as some special honour in history of game according Liverpool fans.

No point comparing eras as in all sports the game evolves as do individuals.

They way Liverpool go on about klopp you would think he's better than dominant liverpool sides or 70s and 80s.

You think this current Liverpool team because of "higher points" totals is better than your 70s and 80s teams, they never got near 100 points

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yea, all in Arsenals favour now . Due to injury news I think it will now be 2-2 .

If Arsenal don’t beat City now away , they never will for another decade

Nice disclaimer trying to put pressure on Arsenal now.

It's typical Liverpool coping mechanism, one minute it's Arsenal are rubbish, Arsenal are irrelevant, Arsenal can't go toe to toe with City like Liverpool.

Now it's Arsenal are favourites .

Shows how rattled Liverpool fans are at the possibility (I don't think we will win the league - personally) the klopps 9 year PL title output could be matched by another team

Literally would be most humiliating thing for Liverpool fans to handle in a pep vs klopp era.

 

[shaz619]

I don’t really understand the LFC criticism, how many premier league teams would kill to win the EPL or be among the elite clubs who can say they won the top flight European trophy ?

Sure there could be more, but who wouldn’t take that on the surface?

If you want to criticise underperformance then look no further than Gareth Southgate, he got nothing to show besides being a sharply dressed man; as they say, dress for the job you want, I think he is still trying for the managerial position.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You didn't address any of the points that I raised because you clearly cannot. You cannot justify 1 league title in 10 years and two rubbish seasons in the last 4 years with a fantastic group of players that were capable of winning the league.

Arsenal should have won the league last season, no doubt about that and this is why I said that if Arteta wins only one league in 10 years and leaves, I will look back at his era with disappointment.

Let me put it this way - if Arteta leaves Arsenal with the exact same achievements as Klopp has left Liverpool with, I will view him as an underachiever.

Please continue to sit there praying & hoping for the future , another 6 years from now . lol

Klopp in his first 4 years won the CL & PL . So far Arteta has won nothing lol

 

[Amjid Javed]

I don’t really understand the LFC criticism, how many premier league teams would kill to win the EPL or be among the elite clubs who can say they won the top flight European trophy ?

Sure there could be more, but who wouldn’t take that on the surface?

If you want to criticise underperformance then look no further than Gareth Southgate, he got nothing to show besides being a sharply dressed man; as they say, dress for the job you want, I think he is still trying for the managerial position.

Southgate would be perfect new Liverpool manager. I mentioned this before, perfect near miss manager for near miss club in current era.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nice disclaimer trying to put pressure on Arsenal now.

It's typical Liverpool coping mechanism, one minute it's Arsenal are rubbish, Arsenal are irrelevant, Arsenal can't go toe to toe with City like Liverpool.

Now it's Arsenal are favourites .

Shows how rattled Liverpool fans are at the possibility (I don't think we will win the league - personally) the klopps 9 year PL title output could be matched by another team

Literally would be most humiliating thing for Liverpool fans to handle in a pep vs klopp era.

As I wrote earlier I’d prefer a draw or Arsenal win , nothings changed. Reason at LFC most fans care about our team winning, not more interested in others losing.

City v Arsenal game has evened things up with those injuries. This is your best chance to win a football match at City in years , hence I think you may get a point .

Bro , when you win both PL & & CL while Pep is there then come back to me .

Ok , just win one CL in your history then come back to me

 

[shaz619]

Southgate would be perfect new Liverpool manager. I mentioned this before, perfect near miss manager for near miss club in current era.

They could start a #KloppOut movement and get all worked up every day, then hire an Arteta; some fans genuinely appreciate 2nd place

 

[shaz619]

As I wrote earlier I’d prefer a draw or Arsenal win , nothings changed. Reason at LFC most fans care about our team winning, not more interested in others losing.

City v Arsenal game has evened things up with those injuries. This is your best chance to win a football match at City in years , hence I think you may get a point .

Bro , when you win both PL & & CL while Pep is there then come back to me .

Ok , just win one CL in your history then come back to me

Arsenal fans should be banned from engaging LFC fans until they win the CL, big club my backside lol

 

[mazkhan]

I think liverpool can get a gem in Ruben Amorim he's gone under the radar

But I think he will be a fantastic manager

 

[Amjid Javed]

As I wrote earlier I’d prefer a draw or Arsenal win , nothings changed. Reason at LFC most fans care about our team winning, not more interested in others losing.

City v Arsenal game has evened things up with those injuries. This is your best chance to win a football match at City in years , hence I think you may get a point .

Bro , when you win both PL & & CL while Pep is there then come back to me .

Ok , just win one CL in your history then come back to me

What does winning CL while Pep is around got to do with Anything?

Plenty of teams have won the CL, whilst Pep has been around.

Inter, Chelsea, Real and Bayern have all won it since Pep started at Barca, so not sure why Liverpool winning it is some sort of stand alone achievement.

Di matteo has won the CL, is he now a great manager?

Also why is liverpools 1 league title while Pep around some sort of golden chalice?

I've seen Arsenal win title at Anfield, old Trafford and WHL in my 40 years of living.

So your over hyping 1 title in 9 years .

When u can come up with a better argument come back to me

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal fans should be banned from engaging LFC fans until they win the CL, big club my backside lol

Liverpool fans should be banned for using same lame excuse of "Liverpool have won most trophies" when your losing an argument about a different topic or era.

Every Liverpool reverts to type when getting schooled, the fact you can't come up with something original says it all.

Klopp has same number or CL as Di matter

Klopp has same number of PL titles as Daglish, Raneri,

But people want to proclaim klopp as a great manager

Shankley n paisley were great Liverpool managers, klopp is an underachieving manager

 

[Amjid Javed]

As I wrote earlier I’d prefer a draw or Arsenal win , nothings changed. Reason at LFC most fans care about our team winning, not more interested in others losing.

City v Arsenal game has evened things up with those injuries. This is your best chance to win a football match at City in years , hence I think you may get a point .

Bro , when you win both PL & & CL while Pep is there then come back to me .

Ok , just win one CL in your history then come back to me

City still have Ake, Akanji, Gvardiol so not sure how things have evened up for Arsenal? Also walker and stones might play. City still have all their midfield and strikers to choose from.

Clearly you are bothered about City vs Arsenal result as it has bearing on liverpools title challenge

 

[shaz619]

Liverpool fans should be banned for using same lame excuse of "Liverpool have won most trophies" when your losing an argument about a different topic or era.

Every Liverpool reverts to type when getting schooled, the fact you can't come up with something original says it all.

Klopp has same number or CL as Di matter

Klopp has same number of PL titles as Daglish, Raneri,

But people want to proclaim klopp as a great manager

Shankley n paisley were great Liverpool managers, klopp is an underachieving manager

It aint my team but what have you done that’s more impressive, it sounds like sour grapes, it’s not about overall but this era, it doesn’t get bigger then the EPL or CL. What is the type which Arsenal will revert to, no.2 with the great Arteta or the FA Cups?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

It aint my team but what have you done that’s more impressive, it sounds like sour grapes, it’s not about overall but this era, it doesn’t get bigger then the EPL or CL. What is the type which Arsenal will revert to, no.2 with the great Arteta or the FA Cups?

A big digression on my part but just wanted to add i like arsenal but not arteta and since he is there, would never support gunners. Arteta is just a haughty overrated character.

 

[shaz619]

A big digression on my part but just wanted to add i like arsenal but not arteta and since he is there, would never support gunners. Arteta is just a haughty overrated character.

Am not a fan of scousers at all my views on them are clear, but I find it hilarious that a team which has started to compete with the big boys now is criticising a team that has sort of completed football in the recent past. Yeah Arteta is a bit of a weirdo, not surprised he is likened by similar people.

 

[Amjid Javed]

It aint my team but what have you done that’s more impressive, it sounds like sour grapes, it’s not about overall but this era, it doesn’t get bigger then the EPL or CL. What is the type which Arsenal will revert to, no.2 with the great Arteta or the FA Cups?

I haven't proclaimed Arsenal to be great in current era, also I don't rate Arteta.

But the subject here is klopp and Liverpool. Yet all of sudden the last 6 or 7 years of PL is supposedly greater than the rest of football history which is hilarious. To many fans trying to re-write football history just to justify underwhelming failure.

Sore grapes about what? .

I've seen Arsenal win 5 league titles, 2 doubles, an invincibles team and numerous FA Cups, European cup winners cup in my life time as a fan. So I'm content with what I've seen. If Arsenal don't win a CL, I ain't going to cry over it.

 

[shaz619]

I haven't proclaimed Arsenal to be great in current era, also I don't rate Arteta.

But the subject here is klopp and Liverpool. Yet all of sudden the last 6 or 7 years of PL is supposedly greater than the rest of football history which is hilarious. To many fans trying to re-write football history just to justify underwhelming failure.

Sore grapes about what? .

I've seen Arsenal win 5 league titles, 2 doubles, an invincibles team and numerous FA Cups, European cup winners cup in my life time as a fan. So I'm content with what I've seen. If Arsenal don't win a CL, I ain't going to cry over it.

Ah the Wenger years, am glad some people still remember to revert to that type

I don’t know about last 6 or 7 years but I find it amusing that winning the EPL and CL is not considered good enough, especially by fans who’ve not seen the rub of the green for a while, it doesn’t make sense, sorry but how is that not bitterness?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ah the Wenger years, am glad some people still remember to revert to that type

I don’t know about last 6 or 7 years but I find it amusing that winning the EPL and CL is not considered good enough, especially by fans who’ve not seen the rub of the green for a while, it doesn’t make sense, sorry but how is that not bitterness?

I never said winning PL and CL wasn't a good enough achievement. My point is to win 1 title as a manager in 9 years is a poor return for a so called great manager.

Also for England most successful club, a return of 1 title in 30 years is a shameful return as well.

There is no bitterness here, I know Arsenal have underachiever for a long time I'm honest about. I dint need to over hype things.

 

[shaz619]

I never said winning PL and CL wasn't a good enough achievement. My point is to win 1 title as a manager in 9 years is a poor return for a so called great manager.

Also for England most successful club, a return of 1 title in 30 years is a shameful return as well.

There is no bitterness here, I know Arsenal have underachiever for a long time I'm honest about. I dint need to over hype things.

Stick to the discussion. All I’ve seen is you lot criticise Klopp, I’ve merely questioned the validity of that when he has won a CL and EPL, if that’s not bitterness then what is? I think the euphoria of the Wenger years has been killed off by Arteta in the last 9 years what would you say is your notable achievement

 

[Amjid Javed]

Stick to the discussion. All I’ve seen is you lot criticise Klopp, I’ve merely questioned the validity of that when he has won a CL and EPL, if that’s not bitterness then what is? I think the euphoria of the Wenger years has been killed off by Arteta in the last 9 years what would you say is your notable achievement

So you think 1 PL and 1 CL in 9 years for klopp at a big club like Liverpool is sufficient return for team they have had?

My point is simple he should have win a lot more.

 

[shaz619]

So you think 1 PL and 1 CL in 9 years for klopp at a big club like Liverpool is sufficient return for team they have had?

My point is simple he should have win a lot more.

I think that’s massive personally, beyond that they’ve competed and finished 2nd best; you need a bit of luck to in tournaments. At the same time I think people who support teams that have done naff all in the same period, can’t really criticise the club. For any golden gen, I think the bare minimum should be to win a top flight title. Liverpool could have been like England or Belgium, so I struggle to see how he/LFC failed.

You mentioned the 30 years, don’t you think Klopp ending that run of hurt was a big deal, in Liverpool they worship him (astagfirullah)

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think that’s massive personally, beyond that they’ve competed and finished 2nd best; you need a bit of luck to in tournaments. At the same time I think people who support teams that have done naff all in the same period, can’t really criticise the club. For any golden gen, I think the bare minimum should be to win a top flight title. Liverpool could have been like England or Belgium, so I struggle to see how he/LFC failed.

You mentioned the 30 years, don’t you think Klopp ending that run of hurt was a big deal, in Liverpool they worship him (astagfirullah)

So basically according to you unless you win a trophy in a period of time you can't speak.

 

[shaz619]

So basically according to you unless you win a trophy in a period of time you can't speak.

unless you have greater success you have no right to criticise.

I didn’t criticise Klopp.

Arsenal fans are disloyal cowards who treat their managers like dogs.

 

[shaz619]

So basically according to you unless you win a trophy in a period of time you can't speak.

And get your facts right boy! we won the god damn play off trophy in 2019!l and am proud of that!!! be real, Arteta would have bottled it.

 

[PakLFC]

You need to understand that Xabi Alonso is looking out for the Real job and rightly so.

Ancelotti’s contract expires in 2026 and he is highly unlikely to renew. If Xabi Alonso continues to do well at Leverkusen, he will be offered that job by virtue of his status as a former Real player.

There is a very good possibility that he already has an agreement in place.

Therefore, it is has nothing to do with lack of ambition. In fact, it shows his ambition because he wants to manage the biggest club in the world.


This will hurt Liverpool fans ego but if both Liverpool and Real come calling for you, whether you are a player or a manager, you would be a fool to pick Liverpool.

I’m certain that Alonso would have been a Liverpool manager this summer if he had no shot at managing Real any time soon.

As far as Bayern is concerned, they want him too but it is extremely unlikely because of the relationship that he has with the Leverkusen fans and board. It will almost feel like a Judas move.

Why only Liverpool? Most would prefer Real Madrid even Barcelona over any club be it Xabi or someone else. Also because being a Spaniard he will naturally be more attracted to Real Madrid then any other club. I am okay with it, no tarnished ego or anything like that. We will talk about his ambitions if or when he joins Real Madrid also there is no guarantee that they want him. Nothing has been agreed between the two like you are saying.

Xabi probably feels it is too early to join Liverpool FC. After all, being a very young manager his CV only shows one successful season with Bayern Leverkusen. One swallow doesn't make a summer and all that!. Real as I have always said sack managers and sell players galore for the sake of maintaining their image, they do so like people change clothes. This will happen to Xabi as well if he ever ends up there.

Football is a tough business where those of Hispanic backgrounds will always choose the two big Spanish clubs over any other side. As for Munich, Xabi after winning almost everything with Leverkusen this season won't be attracted to managing another German club. He's been there and done it so would manage a team that genuinely has a chance of winning the Champions League. Michael Edwards will find another great manager to replace Jurgen I have no doubts about that.

 

[Mamoon]

Bellingham, Caicedo, Enzo and now Xabi Alonso. They have all rejected Liverpool.

It is difficult to understand why Liverpool remains an unattractive club with little pull in spite of their great history and fairly decent success in recent times.

Surely, the miserable weather can’t be that big of a reason.

 

[PakLFC]

Bellingham, Caicedo, Enzo and now Xabi Alonso. They have all rejected Liverpool.

It is difficult to understand why Liverpool remains an unattractive club with little pull in spite of their great history and fairly decent success in recent times.

Surely, the miserable weather can’t be that big of a reason.

Every top club has received rejections one time or another. Bellingham like most chose to join Real Madrid. The others you mentioned went to Chelsea for the stupid money on offer. Rookie Xabi who has not won much as manager yet it seems is also holding out for the Real Madrid job too.

 

[PakLFC]

It is very simple. Top players whenever available have elite clubs chasing them. There will always be a Chelsea, PSG, Man City or Real Madrid who offer them much more money than Liverpool do. That is why we often miss out on them coz we refuse to pay them stupid money. Now look at the mess Chelsea and Man City find themselves in with the authorities breathing down their neck's. They have either been vastly overspending or are accused of cheating. Barcelona are in a bit of a financial mess too.

 

[Amjid Javed]

 

[PakLFC]

 

[PakLFC]

The first four letters of Arsenal tell us everything we need to know about them! . They should not even be talking of clubs who have won the Champions League

 

[PakLFC]

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Nice try! This study shows that Arsenal fans are the thickest of all!! Arsenal have been voted as the Premier League club with the ‘least intelligent’ fanbase ahead of rivals Liverpool and Manchester United, according to a survey’s findings.
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Study Names Which Premier League Club Has The 'Least Intelligent' Fanbase As All 20 Teams Are Ranked​

Arsenal have been voted as the Premier League club with the ‘least intelligent’ fanbase ahead of rivals Liverpool and Manchester United, according to a survey’s findings.

Online Gambling conducted the study and found that the Gunners narrowly edged out the Reds to the top spot, with Arsenal securing a 14.2 per cent share of the vote.

Arsenal received exactly 200 votes to clinch the unfortunate accolade, with Liverpool finishing a close second with 196 votes and 13.9 per cent of the vote.

United rounded off the top three with 8.9 per cent of the vote, while Chelsea (8.8 per cent) and Aston Villa (seven per cent) came fourth and fifth respectively.

Fortunately for Southampton and Wolves fans (depending on how one looks at it), the two Premier League clubs received the fewest number of votes.

Southampton finished in the No 20 spot with only 1.2 per cent of the vote, with Wolves securing 19th place with 1.5 per cent share of the vote.

“It’s worth pointing out that by finding themselves at the bottom of this list, Wolverhampton and Southampton could possibly make a claim as the most-intelligent fans,” Online Gambling wrote.

Posted below are the results on how every Premier League team’s fanbase ranked when it comes to intelligence.

20. Southampton (1.2 per cent)

19. Wolverhampton Wanderers (1.5 per cent)

18. Leicester City (1.6 per cent)

17. Norwich City (1.7 per cent)

16. Watford (1.9 per cent)

15. Brighton and Hove Albion (2.5 per cent)

14. Brentford (2.7 per cent)

13. Everton (2.9 per cent)

12. Crystal Palace (3.1 per cent)

11. Newcastle United (3.6 per cent)

10. West Ham United (4.2 per cent)

9. Burnley (4.5 per cent)

8. Tottenham Hotspur (4.9 per cent)

7. Manchester City (5.3 per cent)

6. Leeds United (5.5 per cent)

5. Aston Villa (7 per cent)

4. Chelsea (8.8 per cent)

3. Manchester United (8.9 per cent)

2. Liverpool (13.9 per cent)

1. Arsenal (14.2 per cent)

Study Names Which Premier League Club Has The 'Least Intelligent' Fanbase As All 20 Teams Are Ranked

From Man United and Man City to Arsenal and Tottenham, all 20 Premier League teams have been ranked based on how deluded their fans are...

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[Mamoon]

Nice try! This study shows that Arsenal fans are the thickest of all!! Arsenal have been voted as the Premier League club with the ‘least intelligent’ fanbase ahead of rivals Liverpool and Manchester United, according to a survey’s findings.

Can’t dispute this if you look at the representation of Arsenal fans on this forum.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What does winning CL while Pep is around got to do with Anything?

Plenty of teams have won the CL, whilst Pep has been around.

Inter, Chelsea, Real and Bayern have all won it since Pep started at Barca, so not sure why Liverpool winning it is some sort of stand alone achievement.

Di matteo has won the CL, is he now a great manager?

Also why is liverpools 1 league title while Pep around some sort of golden chalice?

I've seen Arsenal win title at Anfield, old Trafford and WHL in my 40 years of living.

So your over hyping 1 title in 9 years .

When u can come up with a better argument come back to me

Point was you have won nothing at all under Arteta . You may have to face Pep in the semi finals but I think Bayern will too much .

Arsenal fans underrating Klopps achievements while Arteta has done sweet fa Is typical of their deluded fan base .

 

[Amjid Javed]

Point was you have won nothing at all under Arteta . You may have to face Pep in the semi finals but I think Bayern will too much .

Arsenal fans underrating Klopps achievements while Arteta has done sweet fa Is typical of their deluded fan base .

The only person comparing klopp vs Arteta, is an Arteta fan who talks nonsense all the time.

It's funny how rather then focusing on Klopp you decide to deflect away bringing Arteta into the conversation.

Typical Liverpool fan response, when you don't have an answer come up with a weak comparison.

Talking of deluded, plenty of Liverpool fans are deluded thinking 1 PL title in 9 years for klopp makes him a great manager.

In addition its funny how all your Liverpool fans dissapeard like a bunch of fair weather sore losers when you had a bad season last season.

The topic is klopp not Arsenal or Arteta.

Typical Liverpool victims mentality and deflection.