Will Muslims dominate the world? How?

[Pete Rose]

Who doesn't?
But it isn't looking good especially considering how bad our economy is right now.

Our economy has always been bad because
1 / we use our precious forex to prop up the exchange rate
2/ we don’t take the reforms that we should have when oil was trading < 50 dollars per barrel
3/ the state of the economy is basically like ending up a restaurant and being told you have to pay the bill for the previous occupants.
4/ we have a debt to gdp ratio that has ballooned over the last ten years
5/ we have a current account deficit of 19 billion dollars
None of the above happened in a small matter of the last 8 months, because to believe that you have to assume Pakistan was all milk and honey prior to that.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Our economy has always been bad because
1 / we use our precious forex to prop up the exchange rate
2/ we don’t take the reforms that we should have when oil was trading < 50 dollars per barrel
3/ the state of the economy is basically like ending up a restaurant and being told you have to pay the bill for the previous occupants.
4/ we have a debt to gdp ratio that has ballooned over the last ten years
5/ we have a current account deficit of 19 billion dollars
None of the above happened in a small matter of the last 8 months, because to believe that you have to assume Pakistan was all milk and honey prior to that.

Will take time but how long is the question.
I've been hearing about how bad our condition is since childhood. Still it's the same situation.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't want Muslim's do dominate any non Muslim land. Let Muslim countries be dominated by Islam.

 

[Sachin136]

You need a refund. I suggest you read up on the contribution of Muslims towards science.

Here's a word - Alcohol. Guess who discovered the process of distillation for your kind? Need another? Algebra. Not enough? Algorithm.

You guessed it, words beginning with AL typically stem from the Muslim world, or better known as, Arabic.

The name "algebra" coming from a book from 800 CE doesn't say much. When people think of mathematicians who have contributed a substantial amount to math, they think of Galois, Abel, Ruffini, Lagrange, Euclid, Riemann, Netwon, Leibniz, Euler, von Neumann, Gauss, Grothendieck, etc.

Same goes for algorithms. Naming something or laying the very early and primitive groundwork doesn't mean much these days when we have advanced far beyond that.

 

[JBFire]

The Abrahamic religions believe their final messenger has already delivered their message. So no conversions will happen from the major religions to the new one. Hence no growth meaning no significant effect on the world. The new 'religion' will be more of a cult than a proper religion.

Sorry that doesnt cut if you flip the history this is exactly what people said to Christianity and Islam.

Also when Islam came, everyone was either Hindu, Jews, Budhist or Christian's and still today Islam became 2nd largest in 1400 years. So to argue that since people have their own religion and will not adopt new religion doesnt cut.

Also remember new religion doesnt have to target you but the next generation and next and build their base or followers.

 

[sjahmed23]

Will take time but how long is the question.
I've been hearing about how bad our condition is since childhood. Still it's the same situation.

Its our people man, always want to take the easy way out rather than doing the hard yards and getting it right. We will get bailed out, go on spending spree for the next 2-3 years and go back to square one.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Sorry that doesnt cut if you flip the history this is exactly what people said to Christianity and Islam.

Also when Islam came, everyone was either Hindu, Jews, Budhist or Christian's and still today Islam became 2nd largest in 1400 years. So to argue that since people have their own religion and will not adopt new religion doesnt cut.

Also remember new religion doesnt have to target you but the next generation and next and build their base or followers.

If you think it out like that then anything is possible. So you're not wrong then.

 

[JBFire]

The name "algebra" coming from a book from 800 CE doesn't say much. When people think of mathematicians who have contributed a substantial amount to math, they think of Galois, Abel, Ruffini, Lagrange, Euclid, Riemann, Netwon, Leibniz, Euler, von Neumann, Gauss, Grothendieck, etc.

Same goes for algorithms. Naming something or laying the very early and primitive groundwork doesn't mean much these days when we have advanced far beyond that.

Also I dont think any scientific history belongs to Arabia. You can't take pride of some Muslim invent something in Persia or India or China coz it was not due to his or her religion but credit must goes to the countey he or she belongs to.

It is the very narrow minded to stick inventions to the religion that in itself counter productive in science term.

 

[JBFire]

If you think it out like that then anything is possible. So you're not wrong then.

Yes but is not how one should see when we talk about in future?

 

[Ronaldo7]

The name "algebra" coming from a book from 800 CE doesn't say much. When people think of mathematicians who have contributed a substantial amount to math, they think of Galois, Abel, Ruffini, Lagrange, Euclid, Riemann, Netwon, Leibniz, Euler, von Neumann, Gauss, Grothendieck, etc.

Same goes for algorithms. Naming something or laying the very early and primitive groundwork doesn't mean much these days when we have advanced far beyond that.

As i said to the last person that said the same thing as you. Read this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_in_medieval_Islam
And many other sources as well

People are quick to highlight the bad but ignore the good. Nothing more than moths.

Muslims contributed a lot in the fields of science. Hence the Golden Age of Islam.

 

[Ronaldo7]

As i said to the last person that said the same thing as you. Read this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics_in_medieval_Islam
And many other sources as well

People are quick to highlight the bad but ignore the good. Nothing more than moths.

Muslims contributed a lot in the fields of science. Hence the Golden Age of Islam.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
Another one.
It's better to be educated on the specific topic you are talking about before you try to prove someone wrong. Not trying to sound arrogant but just saying.

 

[Ronaldo7]

The name "algebra" coming from a book from 800 CE doesn't say much. When people think of mathematicians who have contributed a substantial amount to math, they think of Galois, Abel, Ruffini, Lagrange, Euclid, Riemann, Netwon, Leibniz, Euler, von Neumann, Gauss, Grothendieck, etc.

Same goes for algorithms. Naming something or laying the very early and primitive groundwork doesn't mean much these days when we have advanced far beyond that.

"Persian mathematician Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī played a significant role in the development of algebra, arithmetic and Hindu-Arabic numerals.He has been described as the father or founder of algebra. "

Probably never heard of this before. Huh?

 

[JBFire]

Never said you were wrong. I get what you were trying to say.

I know and I all for intelligent discussion and logical person like you!

 

[Ronaldo7]

I know and I all for intelligent discussion and logical person like you!

Just misunderstood your claim initially but your second last post showed me what you were saying and i agree.
Safe

 

[JBFire]

"Persian mathematician Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī played a significant role in the development of algebra, arithmetic and Hindu-Arabic numerals.He has been described as the father or founder of algebra. "

Probably never heard of this before. Huh?

Again like I said credit must reside with the country. I hope you know that Persia was well developed and advance culture before Muslim came.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Again like I said credit must reside with the country. I hope you know that Persia was well developed and advance culture before Muslim came.

Yeah i know but there is a reason it is called 'the islamic golden age'. The Qur'an was an influence as it told the people to seek knowledge etc.
It is also due to the increased no. Of muslims whom were making the discoveries.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world

 

[Sachin136]

"Persian mathematician Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī played a significant role in the development of algebra, arithmetic and Hindu-Arabic numerals.He has been described as the father or founder of algebra. "

Probably never heard of this before. Huh?

I have read that already and am aware of his contributions (a math history course was a part of my math major). But still doesn't quite refute what I said. Making contributions in 800 CE when the field was still in it's primitive stages doesn't mean much now. Can you instead list some great Muslim mathematicians, computer scientists, etc within the last few centuries?

 

[Ronaldo7]

I have read that already and am aware of his contributions (a math history course was a part of my math major). But still doesn't quite refute what I said. Making contributions in 800 CE when the field was still in it's primitive stages doesn't mean much now. Can you instead list some great Muslim mathematicians, computer scientists, etc within the last few centuries?

In that case, i agree. There haven't been major discoveries by muslims recently. But there are factors such as lack of resources as well which contribute to this. But yeah the golden age seemed to end like 400 years ago

 

[anikrc1]

"Persian mathematician Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī played a significant role in the development of algebra, arithmetic and Hindu-Arabic numerals.He has been described as the father or founder of algebra. "

Probably never heard of this before. Huh?

Can you say which age did he belong to? Sridhar acharya did the same things. He was between 750-930

 

[anikrc1]

Can you say which age did he belong to? Sridhar acharya did the same things. He was between 750-930

OK. Just checked. He was between 780-850.So i guess any one of them can be credited to start algebra

 

[Ronaldo7]

Can you say which age did he belong to? Sridhar acharya did the same things. He was between 750-930

He lived from 780-850

813-833 CE was his time of thr algebra discovery if you can call it that.

 

[Ronaldo7]

OK. Just checked. He was between 780-850.So i guess any one of them can be credited to start algebra

Yeah you could.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Yeah you could.

According to Google, he lived from 870 to 930 so 90 years difference. But due to the geographical location you can still credit him.

 

[Robert]

The name "algebra" coming from a book from 800 CE doesn't say much. When people think of mathematicians who have contributed a substantial amount to math, they think of Galois, Abel, Ruffini, Lagrange, Euclid, Riemann, Netwon, Leibniz, Euler, von Neumann, Gauss, Grothendieck, etc.

Same goes for algorithms. Naming something or laying the very early and primitive groundwork doesn't mean much these days when we have advanced far beyond that.

The groundwork had to be laid.

Muslims elucidated the human circulation, advanced in pharmacy and smelted steel, discovered optics, named half the stars in the observable sky (Aldebaran, Altair, Algol for examples) when the Europeans were in mud huts.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The groundwork had to be laid.

Muslims elucidated the human circulation, advanced in pharmacy and smelted steel, discovered optics, named half the stars in the observable sky (Aldebaran, Altair, Algol for examples) when the Europeans were in mud huts.

The groundwork for algebra was laid by hindus and greeks. Quadratic equations were used even before al-khwarizmi was born. His main contribution was moving terms between right hand size and left hand side. May have been pioneering for that time, like the invention of Zero by hindus, but in the larger picture, these are baby steps but those who have no contribution to show in modern age like to scrap the barrel that if zero was not invented, there would be no internet (LOL) or there would be no algebra or computer science without al khawarzmi.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The groundwork had to be laid.

Muslims elucidated the human circulation, advanced in pharmacy and smelted steel, discovered optics, named half the stars in the observable sky (Aldebaran, Altair, Algol for examples) when the Europeans were in mud huts.

Also it is no argument that europeans were in mud huts, while persians were advancing. Same can be said about hindus who were writing treatise on grammar while beduins were in darkness. If they had the head start and advantage, while did these civilizations decay? and how come the white europeans contributed so much in science and technology in one century which neither the indians or arabs or persians could do in centuries of their existence despite having a head start.

The issue lies with culture.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The future is going to be dominated by atheist and agnostics. With internet access and education to more people, slowly religion will be wiped out from the face of earth. I can already see many Muslims , Christians and Hindus breaking free from religion. Islam being most conservative, will be the last stronghold of religions but it will eventually go away.

Quite possibly so, but at this present moment, the most successful countries in the world are all proudly Christian, which Muslims also acknowledge as one of the roots of Islam. Seems until now at least, the Abrahamic religions have produced far better and more advanced societies than anything the atheist or polytheists have managed in the last 2000 years of recorded history.

 

[IMMY69]

Its our people man, always want to take the easy way out rather than doing the hard yards and getting it right. We will get bailed out, go on spending spree for the next 2-3 years and go back to square one.

I have a saying... If you kick out all the thieves from Pakistan there will be no one left in the country

 

[miandadrules]

You need a refund. I suggest you read up on the contribution of Muslims towards science.

Here's a word - Alcohol. Guess who discovered the process of distillation for your kind? Need another? Algebra. Not enough? Algorithm.

You guessed it, words beginning with AL typically stem from the Muslim world, or better known as, Arabic.

Those Scientists were from the Mutazilite school of thought and have no resemblance to modern day Muslims who are from the Asharite school.

Mutazilites is in fact is used as a derogatory term by Muslims of today.

They didn’t believe the Quran was the direct word of god, nor that it was infallible and they certainly didn’t believe Muhammad was perfect, far from it.

 

[miandadrules]

The fact that Muslims still have this fascination with ruling the world, shows how toxic religion, in particular Islam is in reinforcing and fermenting dangerous tribalism.

But to those who continue to believe in this fantasy, should contemplate the following;

Look at the questions being asked in developed world (such as where we came from, what lies beyond what we have discovered and addressing social injustices) and then contrast it with the questions being asked Muslim world, such as which Haribo one can eat and if it’s logical for a left handed person to wipe their backside with their right hand.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The fact that Muslims still have this fascination with ruling the world, shows how toxic religion, in particular Islam is in reinforcing and fermenting dangerous tribalism.

But to those who continue to believe in this fantasy, should contemplate the following;

Look at the questions being asked in developed world (such as where we came from, what lies beyond what we have discovered and addressing social injustices) and then contrast it with the questions being asked Muslim world, such as which Haribo one can eat and if it’s logical for a left handed person to wipe their backside with their right hand.

Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Ned Flanders opened a store for left handed people. There is a place for these type of day to day questions for your average citizen, just obviously much larger issues require broader thinking.

 

[Ronaldo7]

The fact that Muslims still have this fascination with ruling the world, shows how toxic religion, in particular Islam is in reinforcing and fermenting dangerous tribalism.

But to those who continue to believe in this fantasy, should contemplate the following;

Look at the questions being asked in developed world (such as where we came from, what lies beyond what we have discovered and addressing social injustices) and then contrast it with the questions being asked Muslim world, such as which Haribo one can eat and if it’s logical for a left handed person to wipe their backside with their right hand.

I'm sorry but the end comparison is ignorant. Don't vegetarians and vegans look at the ingredients? Don't Jewish people look at the food and see if it kosher or not?
Just saying that only muslims do that is very ignorant. Many muslims question the topics mentioned before. Many want to know what lies beyond our galaxy. Is there any other life? Etc.

I recommend that you to stop being so judgemental

 

[miandadrules]

I'm sorry but the end comparison is ignorant. Don't vegetarians and vegans look at the ingredients? Don't Jewish people look at the food and see if it kosher or not?
Just saying that only muslims do that is very ignorant. Many muslims question the topics mentioned before. Many want to know what lies beyond our galaxy. Is there any other life? Etc.

I recommend that you to stop being so judgemental

Who said only Muslims do it?

Why don’t you eliviate my ignorance and tell us what great questions are being asked in the Muslim word and the great work that has been and is being done in those fields.

Look forward to your detailed response.

Keep your recommendations to yourself. I’ll make my judgements based on the evidence at hand.

Your ignorant ad-hominem to silence criticism won’t wash here.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Who said only Muslims do it?

Why don’t you eliviate my ignorance and tell us what great questions are being asked in the Muslim word and the great work that has been and is being done in those fields.

Look forward to your detailed response.

Keep your recommendations to yourself. I’ll make my judgements based on the evidence at hand.

Your ignorant ad-hominem to silence criticism won’t wash here.

Didn't see you mention judaism? You didn't mention any other religion or diet so it's obvious you singled out muslims.
Criticism? criticism is fine if you have a valid point to criticise on. Not when your only form of criticism is talking about what type of questions are asked by Muslims.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That's what I am trying to say that you can't take credit because country or culture has more to do instead of religion.

To the point that Muslims have contributed lot to the science, I challenge that. Muslim conqueror have looted rich cultures and stole their work and credited themselves. Since they were controlling most of the middle east and Indian continent, they rewrite the books.

If you really check the history most of the history been written by Muslims during those time. I understand that winners always write the history but same time, it is also known fact that how they leverage other culture's finding and put their name to it.

So I have high doubt over whatever been preached to Muslims about their Golden age in science and medicine etc. I agree they were in Golden age but only for those who were busy looting wealth of country and culture. Even common Muslims were in a very bad shape during the time of muslim rulers.

Well perhaps now Hindus will lead the way and show Abrahamic countries like the USA, Sweden, Australia and Britain how it's done. Your much admired PM has already announced to the world how in fact it was Indians who invented plastic surgery many eons ago by transplanting an elephant head on a human form.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Well perhaps now Hindus will lead the way and show Abrahamic countries like the USA, Sweden, Australia and Britain how it's done. Your much admired PM has already announced to the world how in fact it was Indians who invented plastic surgery many eons ago by transplanting an elephant head on a human form.

Did he actually use Ganesha as an example??
ROFL

 

[miandadrules]

Didn't see you mention judaism? You didn't mention any other religion or diet so it's obvious you singled out muslims.
Criticism? criticism is fine if you have a valid point to criticise on. Not when your only form of criticism is talking about what type of questions are asked by Muslims.

Was the question in the title about Muslims or Jews dominating the world? So how is it obvious that I singled it out?

Why don’t you prove the invalidity of my point by showing us the pressing questions being asked in the Muslim world, the work done in those fields and the answers and solutions they have currently provided.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Was the question in the title about Muslims or Jews dominating the world? So how is it obvious that I singled it out?

Why don’t you prove the invalidity of my point by showing us the pressing questions being asked in the Muslim world, the work done in those fields and the answers and solutions they have currently provided.

If you want to talk about questions asked by the muslim world, look at islamic forums and stuff. I ask these general questions such as is there any other life, what's beyond our galaxy etc. There are many islamic videos on these topics.

 

[miandadrules]

If you want to talk about questions asked by the muslim world, look at islamic forums and stuff. I ask these general questions such as is there any other life, what's beyond our galaxy etc. There are many islamic videos on these topics.

So you can’t provide anything?

 

[Ronaldo7]

So you can’t provide anything?

I'm giving you sources where u can find them.

 

[Sachin136]

Well perhaps now Hindus will lead the way and show Abrahamic countries like the USA, Sweden, Australia and Britain how it's done. Your much admired PM has already announced to the world how in fact it was Indians who invented plastic surgery many eons ago by transplanting an elephant head on a human form.

I recommend first reading up about Sushruta before making ignorant jokes.

Also, I'm not sure why you're talking about Abrahamic countries here. This discussion is only about Muslims. Please don't try and take credit for work done by many great Christian mathematicians and scientists.

Did he actually use Ganesha as an example??
ROFL

Please read up about the history of plastic surgery and Sushruta.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I recommend first reading up about Sushruta before making ignorant jokes.

Also, I'm not sure why you're talking about Abrahamic countries here. This discussion is only about Muslims. Please don't try and take credit for work done by many great Christian mathematicians and scientists.



Please read up about the history of plastic surgery and Sushruta.

I was answering to the Indian Hindu poster who was rubbishing religion and championing atheism, so merely pointing out that the most advanced nations in the world today still identify as Christian, hence Abrahamic. The criticism of Muslim countries I have already agreed with in earlier posts, they are valid.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The fact that Muslims still have this fascination with ruling the world, shows how toxic religion, in particular Islam is in reinforcing and fermenting dangerous tribalism.

But to those who continue to believe in this fantasy, should contemplate the following;

Look at the questions being asked in developed world (such as where we came from, what lies beyond what we have discovered and addressing social injustices) and then contrast it with the questions being asked Muslim world, such as which Haribo one can eat and if it’s logical for a left handed person to wipe their backside with their right hand.

Fact Please prove this to be a factual. Do you have a scientific poll over a large percentage of Muslims or something you have polled yourself in Small Health?

 

[JBFire]

Reputable historians have accepted the great Muslim contribution to science and inventions.

If what you say is true Muslims would have taken claim to inventing the internet or invention of stem cell research as claimed by Hindus today.

Also Hindu's had enough man power to fight back so can't cry now after being conquered and ruled over for centuries by minorities.

Don't expect anything sensible from you but I strongly suggest to read the history ( not written by those barbaric thief's puppets) and then try your luck..cheers

 

[KingKhanWC]

Don't expect anything sensible from you but I strongly suggest to read the history ( not written by those barbaric thief's puppets) and then try your luck..cheers

Hindus believe they invented the internet, stem cell research and guided missiles but that is sensible

 

[troodon]

Hindus believe they invented the internet, stem cell research and guided missiles but that is sensible

No educated Hindu believes that.

There are Muslims who claim that Bing Bang Theory was explained in Quran. There are nuts in every religion who waste no time to prop up their faith.

 

[troodon]

Reputable historians have accepted the great Muslim contribution to science and inventions.

If what you say is true Muslims would have taken claim to inventing the internet or invention of stem cell research as claimed by Hindus today.

Also Hindu's had enough man power to fight back so can't cry now after being conquered and ruled over for centuries by minorities.

We were ruled by foreigners. Not minorities. A big difference. Minorities are local people who converted to the foreign faith. I see how subtly you interchange your words to make it look as though Indian Muslims ruled India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No educated Hindu believes that.

There are Muslims who claim that Bing Bang Theory was explained in Quran. There are nuts in every religion who waste no time to prop up their faith.

Sure

head of a southern Indian university cited an ancient Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered on the subcontinent thousands of years ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-invented-stem-cell-research-dismiss-einstein

We were ruled by foreigners. Not minorities. A big difference. Minorities are local people who converted to the foreign faith. I see how subtly you interchange your words to make it look as though Indian Muslims ruled India.

Minority doesn't have to be local people. It's a group which is smaller which came and ruled. Overtime they were Indians and Muslims and ruled over Hindus and others for many centuries.

There is a job going in a southern Indian uni if you're interested.

 

[The_Odd_One]

How do you define world domination? Military or cultural?

US does not dominate the world just because it has the largest military in the world. It dominates because the US offers the best in everything, be it schools, science, technology, arts, media, innovation etc., you name it. The world's best corporations are all based in the US. The US is one of the most accepting countries in the world which welcomes people from all countries, colors, and religions. I call it world domination. The same concept extends to the rest of the western countries.

Can Muslims dominate the world? Yes, they can if they can get their acts together but it is extremely unlikely for another 200 years. Muslims must realize that science is the new god in the modern world. You must develop technology to rule the world. We have seen how a small country like the Great Britain was able to conquer large countries like India by using economics and technology and here we have Palestinians fighting Isreali tanks with stones.

Eradicate extremist, do not think of Jews, Christians, Hindus, Atheists, etc as your enemy. Be a part of the modern world. Do not try to follow the customs of previous millennium, they are not applicable and useful in these times. Get rid of monarchy and implement strong democracy. Focus on establishing quality schools rather than erecting your statues and posters in Islamic countries. Finally, have a vision for the future.