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Will Pakistan ever win the 50-over World Cup again?

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It's been 28 long years since 1992 at the MCG.

There have been some shambolic World Cups for Pakistan, some tournaments where they underachieved, some where they disappointed and also the close call in 1999.

However do you see Pakistan winning a 50-over World Cup in the coming years?
 
Yep next WC in 2023 could belong to Pakistan. There are only two teams really that can come in their way. India and Australia.

With Babar at his peak, some gun bowlers in the limited overs format, all they really need between now and next 3 years is to find one/two decent bat. There are already players in the circuit who could potentially fill that void.
 
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Unless pakistan get an additional 2-3 quality batsmen to support the likes of babar they wont be winning the next couple

You cant win a 50 over world cup relying on a frail hit and miss line up with only 1-2 quality batters
 
we nearly made the semi-finals last year despite carrying so many passengers in the side. No reason we can't win.
 
2023 is going to be a big chance for Pakistan to win. Babar will be at his peak most likely, Shaheen will be even better, Naseem should hopefully develop into a good all format bowler. Also we have Haider Ali who looks very promising. The world cup will also be played in India, which should suit our batsmen. Hopefully Umer Khan is given an opportunity.
 
Of course they will as long as only 8 team remains they will eventually win the WC at some point.
 
Yes, next one can be ours. We are, finally, about to get rid of Hafeez for good. For me, he is the ultimate representation of our performances in world cup, since his debut.

For example in last world cup, against New Zealand, the way he got out after scoring 30-odd runs... Thanks to Babar's 100 we were able to win that game tho.

After this TTF's exit from Pakistani top order, we can improve and invest time in a proper batsman. Gosh, I resent Hafeez.

(Sorry for the rant)
 
they could in 2023 but india will most likely win it.

India, pakistan, possibly south africa and England will be top 4.
 
2023 would be one of the best oppurtunity Pakistan team will ever get. Shaheen, Naseem, Hasnain, Musa, Akif would all be good pacers. Shadab would be a great all-rounder combined with Babar at his absolute peak. Hopefully, Rohail/ Rizwan will play a key role. Just imagine this team:

1. Imam
2. Haider Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Abdullah Shafiq
5. Rohail Nazir/ Rizwan
6. Shadab Khan
7. A hard hitting batsman
8. Shaheen Afridi
9. Umer Khan
10. Hasnain/ Musa
11. Naseem Shah

This team would be able to beat any team in Indian conditions. Pakistan just needs to make sure that they find at least 1-2 proper attacking batsmen. If Pakistan can get a hard-hitting fast bowling all-rounder like Stokes and a keeper like Buttler, Pakistan would be an outstanding team.

On a side note, wait for the 2031/2035 World Cup. I will win one of those for Pakistan (I am not joking).
 
They'll need to transform their batting to do so. Past WC winners have usually been the best batting teams and Pakistan batting is nowhere near the best.

They need a significant change in their style like England did after their 2015 WC, where they got rid of old slow players and brought in fresh high strike rate guys who are completely destructive in their batting. Doubt Pakistan batting will ever become destructive like that but they at least need more balance on their side instead of solely relying on their bowling to consistently win them matches.
 
Well we won the champions trophy with a pretty average squad to be honest compared with other major teams. Plus we almost made it to semi finals of the last World Cup with a similar squad so it shows we can win major tournaments but you obviously need a bit of luck and players performing at the right time.

Like people have mentioned we need another 2-3 quality bats to have real go at it.
 
I'm surprised not one person mentioned Amir being in the team. For someone who is know by everyone to step in ICC tournaments and high pressure games, it's funny no-one is including him in their squads.

You could argue he'd be older and less fitter by then. But you'd think he'd already be planning on playing the next WC as he only has that format and t20s to worry about.

I personally think he'll still be good enough to play and be one of those vets.
 
We had a good run towards the end of the 2019 campaign. Pak only performs when they have their backs against the wall.
 
With Pakistan anything is possible they can be the worse team as well as the best team in a very short period of time so to predict the future of Pakistan is so difficult, but this current Pakistan team certainly is not a champion team but could become one or become evn worse cant predict with Pakistan on their future ahead
 
We have won the 1992 WC, the 2009 T-20 WC and the 2017 CT ODI trophy against all odds. No reason why we can't do it again
 
I think over the years we as fans have a bit of malaise and are jaded with our expectations of Pakistan cricket.

This notion of never know what you will get is more of a negative attitude towards the team, meaning one day they show up, and the next dy they do not, has plagued this team for more than twenty years now.

Does this mean that this will be the long term future of the team? Probably not.

As with other teams, there are periods of peaks and valleys. In the next 100 years do I beleive Pakistan will win one World Cup? Emphatically yes.

The issue however, that has plagued them for these last twenty years is an incongruent standard for each player, political backings for certain players, and the petting of egos. This may plague Pakistan for the next century, but who really knows.

Pakistan needs to have an objective standard for selecting players, an objective standard of fitness, and a much stronger focus at the grass roots level to elimante the nasty habits that have plagued players of the past so as that they never live up to their potential.

Do I think this system will break down any time soon? No, probably not.

If they win under this paradigm, it would have to be due to sheer talent superseding the broken structures in place. They were in the final four of the last World Cup, and had wins over both the finalists, including the champion, so yes, they have the ability if they have a structure in place for them to succeed, but for them to win consistently will always be a challenge.

We thought we would never see world class players, and possibly our best batsmen to ever lace them up is on the squad, limitations and all, so who is to say that a new batch of great talent will not come. Problem is, we often have talent and due to their egos getting in their way, and the powers that be not keeping them in check, more often than not just disappointing and end up as our standard "tried and tested failures".

The day will come when Pakistan will hoist the trophy, but to ever see a dynasty, the structure in place needs to change, and I doubt that happens any time soon.
 
There are only a few countries that play cricket seriously and Pakistan is one of the even smaller number of countries where cricket is the main and probably only sport followed by the majority of its population so statistically it's very likely to happen at some point.

Might not be any time soon but will happen again at some point... and the question is will they ever...
 
It depends on the format they play in.

I don’t think Pakistan can win it unless there is the chance to sneak through into a semi final position easily. Pakistan can get on a roll at the right time in any ICC tournament even if they start poorly.

I have a feeling that Pakistan would have won this last World Cup if only they had won the Australia or India game...or if they had the chance to play Sri Lanka instead of the washout.
 
Less than 3 years ago Pakistan won the champions trophy, no reason why they can't win a world cup in the future.
 
No. We just don’t produce mentally strong cricketers anymore. Our athletes have very small shelf lives and they fade away very quickly. Look at Hassan Ali, Shahdab Khan, Fakhar Zaman, Rumman Raees, actually the entire CT17 winning side and you’ll find that apart from Babar, no one has essentially improved one bit. That’s not a sign of a World Cup winning team.
 
That's almost half the team.....which suggests we are a long way off.

Well the 2 pacers could potentially be Naseem and maybe Hasnain or Haris Rauf.

1 of the 2 more batsmen could be Haider Ali. There were a couple of more guys un U19 like Muhammad Haris Khan and Huraira.

The allrounder spot is filled by Shadab, I just really hope he can get his bowling sorted.
 
Haider Ali
Imam ul Haq
Babar Azam
Abdullah Shafique
Rohail Nazir
Shadab Khan
Khushdil Shah
Zafar Gohar
Shaheen Afridi
Naseem Shah
Mohammad Hasnain

Bench: Haris Rauf, Umer Khan, Mohammad Haris, Saud Shakeel, Sami Aslam

A squad like this could be quite exciting. Rohail gets hate but has the temperament for a fighting spirit the way he showed against India in the U19 Asia Cup and then against Bangladesh in the Emerging Asia Cup U23. Might have struggled in bouncy South Africa but would prosper on a subcontinent pitch in India. We need big tournament batsmen.

I’m not as worried about our batting as I am that we might not have a quality spinner - our Saeed Ajmal or Harbhajan. Shadab needs to bring back his game and Zafar needs his breakthrough which he has not done so far. I have brought Khushdil in to finish games as well as to provide a spin option.

As far as batting goes, I want a strong opener next to Haider who can play quicker than Imam. However I am not sure that one currently exists anywhere in Pakistan who will be ready by 2023. I would also like to introduce Abdullah Shafique, Haider Ali, and Rohail Nazir with enough time to solidify their position. Should be done by 2021, to give a year or two to settle in as a permanent part of the squad. My only hope is Misbah is planning this far ahead, which I am not necessarily confident about.
 
Pakistan are one of the favorites to win 2023 WC. They are missing one good spinner though. Shadab and Imad aren't great spinners.
 
Pakistan are one of the favorites to win 2023 WC. They are missing one good spinner though. Shadab and Imad aren't great spinners.

At full strength in almost all conditions and specifically in Asia;

india
huge gap
pakistan
England
south africa
australia
 
in bouncy wickets;
australia/india
huge gap
south africa
n.z
England
pakistan

in turning wickets;

india
pakistan
Australia
England
Sri Lanka
south africa

in swing conditons
England
n.z
india
pakistan
australia
south africa

in flat pattas
england/india
india England
huge gap
Australia
Pakistan
n.z
south africa
 
Why not bro?

You won 2009 T20 wc and 2016 CT

Apart from that Pakistan has featured in many finals and semi finals.

There is every chance that Pakistan could lift the trophy again.

But emergence of England and New Zealand as serious trophy contenders over the last half a decade has certainly made things more competitive.

in early 2000s I would always only mark 3 teams to lift any major trophy. Australia followed by India, Pakistan.

NZ, RSA, England, Sri Lanka were all in my choke category.

England has pulled itself out of that category and NZ is borderline clutch. They used to lose semi finals now they lose finals!!!
 
Cricket is a dying game globally - it was always a very limited game among British Colonies (now former) and never had a global footprint. The size of south Asian population might make it second or third most populated game, and ICC tends to boast that cricket is played by 100+ countries, but in reality only 10-12 countries play it seriously and in half of those countries, it’s not even among top 3 sports. In countries like Australia, NZ, England, SAF cricket is still strong on field but reality is, it’s popularity compared to soccer, rugby or Aussie rule is minuscule. In that regard, I am not sure ODI cricket World Cup will last for another 30 years, but if it does sustain for another 10-12 rounds, PAK definitely has a better chance to win at least another one than not.

Having said that, I can write lots of positives for prospects of 2023, but honestly, I don’t think 2023 will be the year to happen it. In current format, it’s probably tougher to make the SF than winning it, because of the parity level middle teams have reached. Even last year, Poms were one game away from missing the SF cut despite being favourites and host!!!! I think, the challenge for this format is that, middle 5-6 teams can beat each other on their day and any team can spoil others party by one odd win, not necessarily themselves making the cut. That wasn’t the case in group system, where a QF spot was almost given for top 8 teams (still IND, PAK & ENG missed in 2007 & 2015), then it’s about 2-3 great days.

I don’t think, bringing past results of PCT in PAK has anything in this equation- I for one wrote many times that, old PAK was most dominant in India, and Australia, not in UAE, because those team(s) were different - composition was different, mindset as well, but most importantly- skill set was different. People like Saeed Anwar could have been twice the player had he played half of his career games on those beautiful Indian strips, just for one example, not to mention the wicket taking bowling penetration even on absolute belters.

For 2023 WC, first major hole that PAK has to plug is that in India, team will need 20 overs of wicket taking spin, which is desperately missing in current squad. People tend to draw similarity with 2011, but forget that in 2011, PAK had the best spin attack in world - a genius in old Ajmal, and both Hafeez with old action & Afridi of 2011 will walk into most current teams simply as bowlers. So, first priority - couple of finger spinners is must, and if available a better leggi than Shadab, or other way Shadab has to bring his leggi to at least Chahal or Tahir level.

Next is batting - at present, team is roaming around just one batsman; rest are just floating around inflated stats. When the game has gone to 300+ per level, someone batting in top 3 will enjoy some statistical glory. This is something I wrote in response to “current top 3 is historically best ever for PAK “ thread - unfortunately, that thread didn’t age well, to be honest. PAK’s biggest loss is the form of Fakhar - this guy could have taken bowlers to cleaners on Indian pitches and out-field. Next is Haris - a quality middle order who could loft spinners effortlessly in middle overs without much risk and could manoeuvre balls around five inner fielders for singles almost at will. I don’t see any of them making 2023 (or other way, no point making the squad like a skeleton of their prime), and unless these two are adequately replaced - absolutely no chance in batting. Babar can’t play both roles of an anchor & enforcer - no one can; I should mention here that even Sir Viv had Grineedge/Haynes in front of him & Lloyd/Gomez/Doujon behind.

Second issue with batting, there is no one for No. 5-7, which is probably more critical than having a blaster at top. When the game was around 250 ranged, the No. 5-6-7 was like an anchor to current context - a guy name Mike Bevan with his 70+ SR was almost superman in 1990s. But now, someone batting there has to take it to 100 level, and without Afridi like average. That can only happen with players very good at shot productivity (less dots in last 20 overs) and backed by blasting power - Rizwan/Sarfraz/Ifthekhar ... are far, far from that. May be, they should look to develop Khushdil for that role once MoHa & Malik generously pardons PCT from their curse. I don’t think Umar Akmal ever will play for PAK, but he was perfect fit for this spot, a back-up WK as well.

On a positive note, I think the pace attack is potential - won’t say ready yet as 3 years for PAK players is too long, but Shaheen, Amir (may be, he is still officially 27 to this day), needs one right arm partner - may be Naseem (don’t see, he is not an ODI bowler), Hasnain or Hasan can be enough. Fielding can’t be worse and it was never a strength, therefore don’t think there is much to gain or lose here. I actually watched again the 1992 Final, ball by ball few days back - just wondering, what that team could have done with current level of fielding; or other way, what this team will do with that level of fielding!!!!

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There will be at least 7-8 teams with a potential to make the SF, after that it’s about two games; therefore I don’t think I need to tell that PAK indeed has a chance. BUT, net, net this is what I see as the squad that will be required to confirm a SF spot -

1. Opener (Sharjeel??)
2. *Babar
3. No. 3 (Haider??), could have been Maqsood as well!!!
4. No. 4 (Fit enough Haris?)
5. No. 5 (+Rizwan/Sarfraz?)
6. Khusdil/Umar, or may be Imad as batsman!!!
7. Shadab (Must improve bowling)
8. A bowling all-rounder (may be Sajid Khan or Hasan Ali, depending on condition)
9. A genuine SLAO spinner (Gohar, Umer)
10. Mo Amir - a focused one
11. Shaheen
———————
Naseem, Hasnain, Imam .....

There are too many holes to plug to be honest. And, this list actually tells what monumental damage these two shameless (pardon me) guys MoHa & Malik has done to PAK cricket - kept on holding top two middle order spots for a decade (I take MoHa merited his openers slot till 2013 CT may be) for their 35/75 stats in an era when Mahmudullah holds similar stats (& even he is dropped from BD ODI squad when we are missing couple of starters!!!) and blocked every potential middle order to flourish. Umar, Maqsood, Amin, Haris’s .... time is over, being pawn to accommodate the royalty - and that middle order hole will cost PAK something in 2023, I am afraid.
 
Cricket is a dying game globally - it was always a very limited game among British Colonies (now former) and never had a global footprint. The size of south Asian population might make it second or third most populated game, and ICC tends to boast that cricket is played by 100+ countries, but in reality only 10-12 countries play it seriously and in half of those countries, it’s not even among top 3 sports. In countries like Australia, NZ, England, SAF cricket is still strong on field but reality is, it’s popularity compared to soccer, rugby or Aussie rule is minuscule. In that regard, I am not sure ODI cricket World Cup will last for another 30 years, but if it does sustain for another 10-12 rounds, PAK definitely has a better chance to win at least another one than not.

Having said that, I can write lots of positives for prospects of 2023, but honestly, I don’t think 2023 will be the year to happen it. In current format, it’s probably tougher to make the SF than winning it, because of the parity level middle teams have reached. Even last year, Poms were one game away from missing the SF cut despite being favourites and host!!!! I think, the challenge for this format is that, middle 5-6 teams can beat each other on their day and any team can spoil others party by one odd win, not necessarily themselves making the cut. That wasn’t the case in group system, where a QF spot was almost given for top 8 teams (still IND, PAK & ENG missed in 2007 & 2015), then it’s about 2-3 great days.

I don’t think, bringing past results of PCT in PAK has anything in this equation- I for one wrote many times that, old PAK was most dominant in India, and Australia, not in UAE, because those team(s) were different - composition was different, mindset as well, but most importantly- skill set was different. People like Saeed Anwar could have been twice the player had he played half of his career games on those beautiful Indian strips, just for one example, not to mention the wicket taking bowling penetration even on absolute belters.

For 2023 WC, first major hole that PAK has to plug is that in India, team will need 20 overs of wicket taking spin, which is desperately missing in current squad. People tend to draw similarity with 2011, but forget that in 2011, PAK had the best spin attack in world - a genius in old Ajmal, and both Hafeez with old action & Afridi of 2011 will walk into most current teams simply as bowlers. So, first priority - couple of finger spinners is must, and if available a better leggi than Shadab, or other way Shadab has to bring his leggi to at least Chahal or Tahir level.

Next is batting - at present, team is roaming around just one batsman; rest are just floating around inflated stats. When the game has gone to 300+ per level, someone batting in top 3 will enjoy some statistical glory. This is something I wrote in response to “current top 3 is historically best ever for PAK “ thread - unfortunately, that thread didn’t age well, to be honest. PAK’s biggest loss is the form of Fakhar - this guy could have taken bowlers to cleaners on Indian pitches and out-field. Next is Haris - a quality middle order who could loft spinners effortlessly in middle overs without much risk and could manoeuvre balls around five inner fielders for singles almost at will. I don’t see any of them making 2023 (or other way, no point making the squad like a skeleton of their prime), and unless these two are adequately replaced - absolutely no chance in batting. Babar can’t play both roles of an anchor & enforcer - no one can; I should mention here that even Sir Viv had Grineedge/Haynes in front of him & Lloyd/Gomez/Doujon behind.

Second issue with batting, there is no one for No. 5-7, which is probably more critical than having a blaster at top. When the game was around 250 ranged, the No. 5-6-7 was like an anchor to current context - a guy name Mike Bevan with his 70+ SR was almost superman in 1990s. But now, someone batting there has to take it to 100 level, and without Afridi like average. That can only happen with players very good at shot productivity (less dots in last 20 overs) and backed by blasting power - Rizwan/Sarfraz/Ifthekhar ... are far, far from that. May be, they should look to develop Khushdil for that role once MoHa & Malik generously pardons PCT from their curse. I don’t think Umar Akmal ever will play for PAK, but he was perfect fit for this spot, a back-up WK as well.

On a positive note, I think the pace attack is potential - won’t say ready yet as 3 years for PAK players is too long, but Shaheen, Amir (may be, he is still officially 27 to this day), needs one right arm partner - may be Naseem (don’t see, he is not an ODI bowler), Hasnain or Hasan can be enough. Fielding can’t be worse and it was never a strength, therefore don’t think there is much to gain or lose here. I actually watched again the 1992 Final, ball by ball few days back - just wondering, what that team could have done with current level of fielding; or other way, what this team will do with that level of fielding!!!!

.............,

There will be at least 7-8 teams with a potential to make the SF, after that it’s about two games; therefore I don’t think I need to tell that PAK indeed has a chance. BUT, net, net this is what I see as the squad that will be required to confirm a SF spot -

1. Opener (Sharjeel??)
2. *Babar
3. No. 3 (Haider??), could have been Maqsood as well!!!
4. No. 4 (Fit enough Haris?)
5. No. 5 (+Rizwan/Sarfraz?)
6. Khusdil/Umar, or may be Imad as batsman!!!
7. Shadab (Must improve bowling)
8. A bowling all-rounder (may be Sajid Khan or Hasan Ali, depending on condition)
9. A genuine SLAO spinner (Gohar, Umer)
10. Mo Amir - a focused one
11. Shaheen
———————
Naseem, Hasnain, Imam .....

There are too many holes to plug to be honest. And, this list actually tells what monumental damage these two shameless (pardon me) guys MoHa & Malik has done to PAK cricket - kept on holding top two middle order spots for a decade (I take MoHa merited his openers slot till 2013 CT may be) for their 35/75 stats in an era when Mahmudullah holds similar stats (& even he is dropped from BD ODI squad when we are missing couple of starters!!!) and blocked every potential middle order to flourish. Umar, Maqsood, Amin, Haris’s .... time is over, being pawn to accommodate the royalty - and that middle order hole will cost PAK something in 2023, I am afraid.

Looking at how much effort you've put in this, i'd say it should be considered for POTW.
 
Looking at how much effort you've put in this, i'd say it should be considered for POTW.

Don't look at the effort, look at the contents, if it makes sense or not. Effort has to make a sense, otherwise anyone can write 6 pages .......
 
Indian pitches. No seam or swing.

Pakistan also generally do well when they play in India.

pretty sure pakistan will be allowed to play only in Bangladesh.

in India anyway, india will make sure they never win There. Post 2000 especially there is little to no chance considering how strong india are in 2010 era.
 
pretty sure pakistan will be allowed to play only in Bangladesh.

in India anyway, india will make sure they never win There. Post 2000 especially there is little to no chance considering how strong india are in 2010 era.

It's not a co-hosted WC :) PAK will play in the WC and play in India as well, if it happens to be hosted by India - I don't think it's an issue of "allowing" them, rather accommodating them.

May be they'll avoid hosting PAK in risky venues in North & North-West - Mumbai, Ahmadabad, Delhi, Nagpur, Mohali, Jaipur, Surat, Baroda, Indore, Gwalior, Dharmshala, Dehradun or Kanpur ..... I don't see any issues PCT playing at Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkata, Hyderabad, Gowhati or Vizag. What they need is to avoid PAK games in like 3 States - Maharastra, Gujrat, UP/Uttarkhand and may be Punjab/Himachal, MP & Delhi. The three KO games are most likely to be hosted by any three of Delhi, Ahmadabad (The Final might be played at the new Stadium!!!), Mohali, Kolkata, Bangalore, Chennai & Mumbai. If PAK makes the SF, easily they can arrange that game at a "safer" venue. It's only the Final - most likely will be hosted by Delhi or Ahmadabad, which might need extra protection ....... if PAK indeed lasts to that extent.
 
I'm not convinced this will happen very soon.

Some concerns are the lack of power-hitters, lack of world-class batsmen, the fielding and Misbah's tactics.
 
I'm not convinced this will happen very soon.

Some concerns are the lack of power-hitters, lack of world-class batsmen, the fielding and Misbah's tactics.

We didn't have any power hitters and world class batsmen, world class fielding either in the 2017 CT.

Only thing i agree with Misbah's association being a curse for Pakistan
 
In my opinion Pak has a better chance to win a world cup in this decade or so (In next 2-3 WCs) then it was in the last decade. In next 3,4 years Babar (Probably the best ODI middle order batsmen we have produced or atleast one of) will be at his peak while Shaheen will also be much more experienced along with Naseem. We will need to add atleast couple of solid batsmen including a finisher and one quality spinner in the squad then you never know.

To win a world cup you dont have to be an ATG team, 3-4 top players supported well by others and forming the momentum at the right time can win you the WC.

In the last decade Pak had no world class player in the world cups except maybe Akhtar in his twilight in, Afridi in extreme form and Saeed Ajmal in 2011 supported well by Gul and few others and Pak reached the Semis.

In 2015 there wasnt even a single World Class player even if we try hard to find one in that squad.

2019 had some quality in Amir and Babar, while Shaheen was learning and struggling with his elbow. Still overall Babar and Shaheen were far away from their peaks which they are destined to touch with the exception of anything extreme.

Quality of young and emerging players (Some have already established themselves) is much superior than last decade in my opinion even if one analyzes based upon player to player basis. Couple of solid batsmen including a finisher and a quality spinner can make Pak a solid ODI unit along with the peaks of Babar, Shaheen and Naseem along with experience of Amir depending upon his fitness.
 
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It's not a co-hosted WC :) PAK will play in the WC and play in India as well, if it happens to be hosted by India - I don't think it's an issue of "allowing" them, rather accommodating them.

May be they'll avoid hosting PAK in risky venues in North & North-West - Mumbai, Ahmadabad, Delhi, Nagpur, Mohali, Jaipur, Surat, Baroda, Indore, Gwalior, Dharmshala, Dehradun or Kanpur ..... I don't see any issues PCT playing at Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkata, Hyderabad, Gowhati or Vizag. What they need is to avoid PAK games in like 3 States - Maharastra, Gujrat, UP/Uttarkhand and may be Punjab/Himachal, MP & Delhi. The three KO games are most likely to be hosted by any three of Delhi, Ahmadabad (The Final might be played at the new Stadium!!!), Mohali, Kolkata, Bangalore, Chennai & Mumbai. If PAK makes the SF, easily they can arrange that game at a "safer" venue. It's only the Final - most likely will be hosted by Delhi or Ahmadabad, which might need extra protection ....... if PAK indeed lasts to that extent.

true. Hope there are some absolute turners. That way Bangladesh, Afghanistan and other Asian teams can decimate the SENA teams.
 
If WC follows the same format as 2019, will be unlikely with the current lineup. Not enough gun/supporting batsmen are in the team to bat around Babar. If it is more of a CT format, quite possibly yes.
 
Pakistan's best chance to win a world cup anytime soon is if the format is changed back to the 2011/15 edition. Top 8 teams would most likely reach the quarter finals and then it's just a matter of having 3 good days like in the champions trophy.

The current format is just a little too tough for them with their current batting stocks. They actually performed brilliantly to finish 5th in the last edition.
 
Indian pitches. No seam or swing.

Pakistan also generally do well when they play in India.

Indian pitches have been changed.
Pacers getting more wickets than spinners. I you look at past few years Bumra, Shami, Ishant took many wickets than spinners.
 
Need to get smashed in the first few games; then we'll come out of no where. Could be any of the next 3 WCs...

History never says 'goodbye', just 'see you later'.
 
Yep next WC in 2023 could belong to Pakistan. There are only two teams really that can come in their way. India and Australia.

With Babar at his peak, some gun bowlers in the limited overs format, all they really need between now and next 3 years is to find one/two decent bat. There are already players in the circuit who could potentially fill that void.

Came here to post this. 2023 WC is ours. Babar will be the best batsman in the world by then. Shaheen and Naseem will have become 2 of the best fast bowlers in the world. Just hoping we can find 1-2 other decent batsmen who can support Babar. World will be in awe of Pakistan once again. Also hoping that the final is played in Mumbai. Can't wait to lift the trophy there with all Indians watching us celebrate there with their jaws dropped.
 
Came here to post this. 2023 WC is ours. Babar will be the best batsman in the world by then. Shaheen and Naseem will have become 2 of the best fast bowlers in the world. Just hoping we can find 1-2 other decent batsmen who can support Babar. World will be in awe of Pakistan once again. Also hoping that the final is played in Mumbai. Can't wait to lift the trophy there with all Indians watching us celebrate there with their jaws dropped.

3-4 good players not enough to win wc. Proper allrounder and death overs specialists in batting and bowling are required for any team to win.
 
Came here to post this. 2023 WC is ours. Babar will be the best batsman in the world by then. Shaheen and Naseem will have become 2 of the best fast bowlers in the world. Just hoping we can find 1-2 other decent batsmen who can support Babar. World will be in awe of Pakistan once again. Also hoping that the final is played in Mumbai. Can't wait to lift the trophy there with all Indians watching us celebrate there with their jaws dropped.

one can dream but not going to happen. Semi finals probably sure. It ends there. Dream will be crushed again.

Kohli's india is destined to win 2023. Peak bumrah, peak shami, peak Rahul, solid kohli (final run), peak iyer, pandya for balance and many others.

I don't see any other team winning.
 
Yeah, we are winning the next one iA :)

Let’s bring it home guys!
 
one can dream but not going to happen. Semi finals probably sure. It ends there. Dream will be crushed again.

Kohli's india is destined to win 2023. Peak bumrah, peak shami, peak Rahul, solid kohli (final run), peak iyer, pandya for balance and many others.

I don't see any other team winning.

All the best to you. Hope we are still here on this forum to witness how it all unfolds
 
All the best to you. Hope we are still here on this forum to witness how it all unfolds

all the best to me? I don't need it lol. India is bound to win it. It's going to be beautiful.

Pakistan will make semis probably depends on the format. If it's like 2019 format then probably not.

I still would predict india, pakistan, south africa (yes they will be a force) and probably an Asian surprise team in the semis.

australia and England to bomb out.

india takes it will relative ease.
 
one can dream but not going to happen. Semi finals probably sure. It ends there. Dream will be crushed again.

Kohli's india is destined to win 2023. Peak bumrah, peak shami, peak Rahul, solid kohli (final run), peak iyer, pandya for balance and many others.

Peak Shami? He is officially around 29 but looks to be much older than that. By the next world cup he will officially be entering his twilight even if we go by his official age.

I am not sure if peak Rahul and Iyer can match what some of India’s top batsmen did in the 2011 WC they won, same is the case with a Pandya so we cant tell their direction for sure at the moment. Years leading upto the WC will show us something.

Nevertheless next WC is in India so India will always be a contender. I still think India’s best chance would be if Kohli remains performing and somehow Rohit can play one more WC though I doubt considering how old Rohit would be (36) and his fitness which has been mediocre in recent years.
 
Peak Shami? He is officially around 29 but looks to be much older than that. By the next world cup he will officially be entering his twilight even if we go by his official age.

I am not sure if peak Rahul and Iyer can match what some of India’s top batsmen did in the 2011 WC they won, same is the case with a Pandya so we cant tell their direction for sure at the moment. Years leading upto the WC will show us something.

Nevertheless next WC is in India so India will always be a contender. I still think India’s best chance would be if Kohli remains performing and somehow Rohit can play one more WC though I doubt considering how old Rohit would be (36) and his fitness which has been mediocre in recent years.

india have plenty of batsmen capable of filling those roles. India will be firm favourites for 2023. Gill, kalra, Shaw, panchal, gaikwad, paddikal and jaiswal. Literally loaded with talents. just need opportunities.

India are not just a contender because the world cup is india. India would be contenders everywhere in all formats in all conditions.
 
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We need to fast track spinners such as Umer Khan and Zafar Gohar. If even one of them (or Shaddy) hits their peak around 2023 and one of the other two can play a good supporting role, we should be in a good position to reach semis
 
England literally won cause of 2 players. Jason roy who is overrated and stokes.

You should see their record vs top teams without roy.

well we are not england. not every team can win with 2 players.
So you think we should not then worry about other 9 players? we can win now.
 
2023 insha Allah

I hope this decade is our decade!

Babar, Shaheen and many new players like Haider, Naseem,Husnain etc if they don't go the Shehzad/ Akmal/ Amir route.

Exciting times ahead
 
India vs pakistan final will be epic. India should win as india are a powerful odi and test team but pakistan always have that unpredictability about them.

I still think 2023 is india's wc to lose.
 
England and NZ literally had only two three players who stood up in crunch situations.

that's what I said earlier.

babar and shaheen. Maybe a few other 3 or 4 good players is enough. You only need 2 great players in the team. Rest can be good or above average type.

in 2019 type format then pakistan have to be more consistent. Would be difficult because they don't quite have the right balance.
 
Pakistan are favourites to win the 2023 World Cup which will be held in India IMO.
 
The previous one was the best opportunity we had but the failed combo of Mickey Arthur and Inzimam ul haq messed it up for us
 
We didn't have any power hitters and world class batsmen, world class fielding either in the 2017 CT.

Only thing i agree with Misbah's association being a curse for Pakistan

Things clicked. Everything went in the right direction


Some average players performed out of their skins which doesn't always happen.
 
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Pakistan never failed to make the semi finals in a World Cup tournament Imran Khan led Pakistan in.

1983 = Semis.
1987 = Semis.
1992 = Champions.

Pakistan have only made the semis twice in 7 tournaments since his retirement from the game.
 
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With Shaheen, Naseem and Babar being at their peak in 2023, I think we do have a chance. We should be expected to do really well in India as it stands.

Shadab, Zafar, Usama and Umer give us a good spin department as well. Hasnain and Haris are there too.

The batting we will have to look at though. Haider Ali looks solid and I like what I have seen of Abdullah (too early to say anything I know, just looks really good).
 
It's been 28 long years since 1992 at the MCG.

There have been some shambolic World Cups for Pakistan, some tournaments where they underachieved, some where they disappointed and also the close call in 1999.

However do you see Pakistan winning a 50-over World Cup in the coming years?

Mickey Arther showed us it is still possible, I feel like the 2019 WC was one big missed opportunity; Pakistan are dangerous with a little bit of structure and support behind them
 
Pakistan never failed to make the semi finals in a World Cup tournament Imran Khan led Pakistan in.

1983 = Semis.
1987 = Semis.
1992 = Champions.

Pakistan have only made the semis twice in 7 tournaments since his retirement from the game.

1979 SF as well - only team that made those West Indians sweat in that tournament.
 
Yes, but Imran didn't Captain Pakistan then.

The more close game vs WI was in 1975.

I know, just made a point that actually that time PAK team was better - probably would have made SF even without Imran leading the side, playing just as a regular member. Imran actually underachieved in 1987 by not winning it, but he well compensated it next time. 1975 was extremely unlucky year considering last WIN pair put 60+ to knock PAK out of SF and then they went on to win it - PAK had squad that could have won that WC.

I think, that time Leadership wasn't a big deal - at least in 1970s. At one point there were 4-5 County Captains in PAK squad. Imran wasn't that astute a Captain, but he had the quality to raise his own game, motivate his players, had the eye for talent and he was honest - gave everything for the team and wanted (read forced) his players to do do so.
 
Judging by how badly SENA countries except NZ do in India, I am pretty sure Pakistan are the second favorites after india (Overwhemling favs).

After almost 2 decades we have got many excellent fast bowlers, In Babar we have the leader of our batting lineup, but we don't have a spinner, which is going to be very imp. What we need to now is find genuine wicket taking spinners.

Zafar Gohar, Usama Mir, Umar Khan could be the guys, or there might be some other young bloke, but we need a spinner badly. Shadab's development is also very imp, if he develops himself into a consistent spinner who bats at 5-6, then I think we could be in for some glory.

Haider Ali's development is pivotal as well, we don't want him to be another Umar Akmal, if he can play the role Rohit (not comparing them) plays for India then the batting unit will start to look very potent. See on Indian surfaces, being set is extremely vital, that is what Indian batters do, they make it count when they get a start. England might not to be successful because their brand of cricket isn't suited to Indian conditions.

I wouldn't have started this thread tbf, there are just 12 full nations in cricket, out of which 3 (counting Ban out) can't possibly win the next WC. From rest of the 9 playing nations, 5 are poor against spin, which brings us to 4 Asian countries.

India (overwhelming favs)
Srilanka (their cricket is in jeopardy at the moment but they have potential to rise again, although that might take some time and the fact that SLCB is ill-governed doesn't help)

Ban (bowling lacks penetration, they also don't know how to own the big stage, but if they can sort these things out even they can win this WC

Pak (Already explained)


It's not a Football WC where we have 32-40 teams, this is possibly a 10 team WC in a game where conditions matter the most, and they will only be suiting 2 of the top 7 sides.

Even if we analyse it mathematically, winning a cricket WC isn't out of the equation, the probabilities are quite high if we compare them to other sports like football as I just said.
 
Pakistan are favourites to win the 2023 World Cup which will be held in India IMO.

No chance if Misbah still in charge - he's exceptionally mediocre when it comes to LO cricket.
 
It’s possible as there’s a rumour one or two senior players might retire in the current decade - which could give Pakistan the luxury of playing with 11 players again - instead of 9 or 10 players and 1 or 2 permanent tourists.
 
Yep next WC in 2023 could belong to Pakistan. There are only two teams really that can come in their way. India and Australia.

With Babar at his peak, some gun bowlers in the limited overs format, all they really need between now and next 3 years is to find one/two decent bat. There are already players in the circuit who could potentially fill that void.

If they are fast tracked... Haider Ali is one I can see who needs to be fast tracked into the team as of now..
Also would like to see Haris Sohail taking fitness seriously and he could be that one fine senior player who can bat with the modern game
 
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