Will Pakistan replicate its recent success against stronger teams?

[Muhammad Saad]

Bowlers like Abrar , Abbas , Rauf , Shaheen , Nawaz , Faheem and Naseem aren’t reliable enough to be in playing XI.

 

[Mamoon]

Batting is good enough like any major T20 nation but ofcourse not experienced enough to adapt to poor pitches which is not norm in T20is but bowling is definitely below minnow level with no reliable strike bowler.

Batting is not good enough.

Haris is rubbish, Agha is not a T20 batsman, Fakhar is awful in this format too unless he bats at 4/5, Sahibzada is a domestic bully who can only feast on poor attacks on flat decks.

Saim and Hassan Nawaz (in the middle-order) are the only good batting prospects in this team who will last for the long-term.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

But but but Babar and Rizwan are holding us back.

But but but we will become a T20 powerhouse when we bring in new blood.



New era delusions going down quicker than Indian jets.

Last time I checked Babar and Rizwan were not winning us matches with their bowling.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Batting is not good enough.

Haris is rubbish, Agha is not a T20 batsman, Fakhar is awful in this format too unless he bats at 4/5, Sahibzada is a domestic bully who can only feast on poor attacks on flat decks.

Saim and Hassan Nawaz (in the middle-order) are the only good batting prospects in this team who will last for the long-term.

Haris , Agha and Sahibzada are good enough batters on proper T20 pitches.

 

[Mamoon]

Haris , Agha and Sahibzada are good enough batters on proper T20 pitches.

This pitch excuse will also end in tears. It’s just the last straw to clutch for delusional fans.

 

[Mamoon]

Last time I checked Babar and Rizwan were not winning us matches with their bowling.

The point is that Babar and Rizwan were not holding the team back, and the narrative that Pakistan will become a better team once they are ousted has been blown to pieces like Indian jets.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

This pitch excuse will also end in tears. It’s just the last straw to clutch for delusional fans.

They will sometimes click and sometimes not but even if one batter clicked it will take us to 160 more often than not which is a good score if you have good bowling attack.

And out of these 5 power hitter one is bound to click every game.

So I would say it’s definitely an upgrade over Babr and Rizwan.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

And if more than 2 batters clicks with others playing good supporting role then it will be 200+ easily which we can only dream about with Babar and Rizwan.

 

[Mamoon]

They will sometimes click and sometimes not but even if one batter clicked it will take us to 160 more often than not which is a good score if you have good bowling attack.

And out of these 5 power hitter one is bound to click every game.

There are no power hitters in the team. They supply as much power as a AA battery. It is just the delusion of the fans based on one series vs an awful Bangladesh attack.

Pakistan should go with this batting in this format:

Rizwan
Saim
Babar
Fakhar
Agha
H. Nawaz
Faheem

This isn’t ideal because ideally you would want better players than Fakhar, Agha and Faheem in this format, but currently there are no options.

Nonetheless, this lineup is far better than the one currently playing on all pitches.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

There are no power hitters in the team. They supply as much power as a AA battery. It is just the delusion of the fans based on one series vs an awful Bangladesh attack.

Pakistan should go with this batting in this format:

Rizwan
Saim
Babar
Fakhar
Agha
H. Nawaz
Faheem

This isn’t ideal because ideally you would want better players than Fakhar, Agha and Faheem in this format, but currently there are no options.

Nonetheless, this lineup is far better than the one currently playing on all pitches.

At best Babar can replace Agha at no3 to stabilize inning and get us consistent score but we can’t over look our pathetic minnow level bowling which can lose us matches even after scoring 200+.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Nawaz,Shadab, Faheem and Hasan should never play for Pak again.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

And to be honest an unfit over age Saeed Ajmal is better than any spin options we have at the moment.

 

[Hyder]

There are no power hitters in the team. They supply as much power as a AA battery. It is just the delusion of the fans based on one series vs an awful Bangladesh attack.

Pakistan should go with this batting in this format:

Rizwan
Saim
Babar
Fakhar
Agha
H. Nawaz
Faheem

This isn’t ideal because ideally you would want better players than Fakhar, Agha and Faheem in this format, but currently there are no options.

Nonetheless, this lineup is far better than the one currently playing on all pitches.

Hassan nawaz at 4 vs spin is better take than fakhar.
Put fakhar at 6 to play death as hafeez did in his last days

 

[Mamoon]

Hassan nawaz at 4 vs spin is better take than fakhar.
Put fakhar at 6 to play death as hafeez did in his last days

That is also a good option. The main objective is to keep Fakhar out of the top 3. He is hopeless in those positions.

 

[Rana]

That is also a good option. The main objective is to keep Fakhar out of the top 3. He is hopeless in those positions.

@topspin @mominsaigol @shaz619

Now Fakhar is ‘hopeless’ in top 3 positions

 

[Rana]

@topspin

Not sure what’s a more stupid comment:

“Joginder Sharma is a more impactful bowler than Shoaib Akhtar”

Or

“Fakhar Zaman is a hopeless batter in top 3 positions”

 

[mominsaigol]

@topspin @mominsaigol @shaz619

Now Fakhar is ‘hopeless’ in top 3 positions

Everyone is hopeless except Ba/Riz

 

[Rana]

Everyone is hopeless except Ba/Riz

Hope means to have your teams get knocked out in the first round of every tournament and also finish bottom two in a 6 team PSL MashaAllah

 

[gazza619]

@topspin @mominsaigol @shaz619

Now Fakhar is ‘hopeless’ in top 3 positions

I agree with @Mamoon. Fakhar’s T20 strike is 156 batting at number 4 which is a lot higher than his strike rate batting at numbers 1, 2 or 3.

Fakhar is an absolute beast against spinners and clears the boundary by a mile. He has to come in the middle.

 

[mominsaigol]

Hope means to have your teams get knocked out in the first round of every tournament and also finish bottom two in a 6 team PSL MashaAllah

It was all Amir and Imad's fault brother. They blackmailed their way into the team.

Didn't you see the video on YouTube where imad and Amir tied babar and rizwan down to a chair and tortured him until he was forced to include them in the playing 11?

Babar as a captain had no control over these 2. Its a shame he wasnt the moat powerful man in pcb at that time.

 

[Rana]

I agree with @Mamoon. Fakhar’s T20 strike is 156 batting at number 4 which is a lot higher than his strike rate batting at numbers 1, 2 or 3.

Fakhar is an absolute beast against spinners and clears the boundary by a mile. He has to come in the middle.

Of course you would agree with him.

 

[Rana]

It was all Amir and Imad's fault brother. They blackmailed their way into the team.

Didn't you see the video on YouTube where imad and Amir tied babar and rizwan down to a chair and tortured him until he was forced to include them in the playing 11?

Babar as a captain had no control over these 2. Its a shame he wasnt the moat powerful man in pcb at that time.

I know bro

Pakistan would have smashed India and USA if Babar and Rizwan didn’t have to play in the same team as Amir and Imad.

They would have destroyed England, Australia and South Africa too in the next round.

These power games in the PCB are destroying what my pyaare Bobsy the King and Rizzu Symonds could achieve for my Pakistan

 

[mominsaigol]

I know bro

Pakistan would have smashed India and USA if Babar and Rizwan didn’t have to play in the same team as Amir and Imad.

They would have destroyed England, Australia and South Africa too in the next round.

These power games in the PCB are destroying what my pyaare Bobsy the King and Rizzu Symonds could achieve for my Pakistan

Amir also blackmailed babar to not come out for the super over.

Otherwise 6 4's guaranteed bro

 

[Mamoon]

@topspin @mominsaigol @shaz619

Now Fakhar is ‘hopeless’ in top 3 positions

Fakhar has played 70 matches in the top 3 and averages 22 at a SR of 127. That is rubbish. Not only does he waste balls, he also doesn’t score.

At number 4, his average is still low (25), but his SR is 156.

This clearly shows that he can’t bat in the top 3. 70 matches is a huge sample and he is a certified failure at those positions. He is much more suited to batting in the middle-order.

Unfortunately, numbers don’t lie and are more reliable than your hot takes.

 

[Rana]

Amir also blackmailed babar to not come out for the super over.

Otherwise 6 4's guaranteed bro

This was the biggest miss that day.

We needed 5 fours only! Not even six! But Amir and Imad blackmailed Pakistan by making them not unleash their biggest weapon in the super over…a guy who can hit 6x4 in Babar Azam.

We will rue this forever just like South Africa are ruing Allen Donald’s ball watching in the semi final of the 99 World Cup!

 

[mominsaigol]

Fakhar has played 70 matches in the top 3 and averages 22 at a SR of 127. That is rubbish. Not only does he waste balls, he also doesn’t score.

At number 4, his average is still low (25), but his SR is 156.

This clearly shows that he can’t bat in the top 3. 70 matches is a huge sample and he is a certified failure at those positions. He is much more suited to batting in the middle-order.

Unfortunately, numbers don’t lie and are more reliable than your hot takes.

Stats cant be everything. You argue against bumrah which i agree with in terms of stats but use numbers to argue against fakhar.

Fakhar is an opener or no 3. Let him cook their. Besides Pakistan's moat successful t20 wc campaign (excluding 2009) was 2010 and 2021. 2021 where fakhar batted at no 3

 

[Sachin fan]

Stats cant be everything. You argue against bumrah which i agree with in terms of stats but use numbers to argue against fakhar.

Fakhar is an opener or no 3. Let him cook their. Besides Pakistan's moat successful t20 wc campaign (excluding 2009) was 2010 and 2021. 2021 where fakhar batted at no 3

Those numbers are really really poor for a so called match winner. On one hand you mock people like SKY, then hype up someone with such vanilla numbers.

The only format Fakhar is good in, is ODIs

P.S. on arguing about numbers, have seen you use numbers to praise Root, Smith and Bradman.

 

[mominsaigol]

Those numbers are really really poor for a so called match winner. On one hand you mock people like SKY, then hype up someone with such vanilla numbers.

The only format Fakhar is good in, is ODIs

I didnt mock sky, you are confusing me for major.

Also stop saying you people. I am alone at the top of the mountain.

 

[ads101]

Fakhar has played 70 matches in the top 3 and averages 22 at a SR of 127. That is rubbish. Not only does he waste balls, he also doesn’t score.

At number 4, his average is still low (25), but his SR is 156.

This clearly shows that he can’t bat in the top 3. 70 matches is a huge sample and he is a certified failure at those positions. He is much more suited to batting in the middle-order.

Unfortunately, numbers don’t lie and are more reliable than your hot takes.

That’s the problem with him in top 3. He doesn’t use it to get settled as he struggles early on. He doesn’t hit early on as he isn’t comfortable either.

Babar and Rizwan at least use top order to get a big score and play themselves in. You’ve got to use it for something.

I agree it’s a huge sample especially for a 35 year old. I don’t know why we’re still hoping he’ll turn good there. And some point you cut your losses and play him where he’s actually had success. We can’t keep waiting around. I even want Farhan and Saim to remain openers but regardless it’s clear fakhar’s shot at opening is done. So time to play him middle order or not at all.

 

[Mamoon]

Stats cant be everything. You argue against bumrah which i agree with in terms of stats but use numbers to argue against fakhar.

Fakhar is an opener or no 3. Let him cook their. Besides Pakistan's moat successful t20 wc campaign (excluding 2009) was 2010 and 2021. 2021 where fakhar batted at no 3

These numbers don’t lie. He is bang average as a top order batsman in T20Is and cooks for the opposition.

People cannot explain why he has a lower SR than Babar and Rizwan so the only thing they can say is that numbers aren’t everything. Thats a very weak argument.

 

[Mamoon]

This was the biggest miss that day.

We needed 5 fours only! Not even six! But Amir and Imad blackmailed Pakistan by making them not unleash their biggest weapon in the super over…a guy who can hit 6x4 in Babar Azam.

We will rue this forever just like South Africa are ruing Allen Donald’s ball watching in the semi final of the 99 World Cup!

The biggest miss on the day was Babar thinking that the fixer was mentally strong and would deliver under pressure in the Super Over

 

[Rana]

The biggest miss on the day was Babar thinking that the fixer was mentally strong and would deliver under pressure in the Super Over

Yes, Babar was blackmailed by Amir and Imad

 

[Mamoon]

Yes, Babar was blackmailed by Amir and Imad

That’s what I said - he has to take the blame for allowing two washed up, mentally weak rubbish he showed no spine as a leader.

 

[Rana]

That’s what I said - he has to take the blame for allowing two washed up, mentally weak rubbish he showed no spine as a leader.

Yes, he should have shown a spine and taken Hassan Ali and Nawaz with him instead of Amir and Imad

 

[Rana]

The only time Babar shows a spine is when as a captain, he is asked to bat in the middle order or number 3…or when his mate Rizwan’s position is questioned.

That’s when he truly shows a spine.

 

[Hyder]

@topspin @mominsaigol @shaz619

Now Fakhar is ‘hopeless’ in top 3 positions

He was. Is. Will be. In t20i.

 

[Hyder]

Stats cant be everything. You argue against bumrah which i agree with in terms of stats but use numbers to argue against fakhar.

Fakhar is an opener or no 3. Let him cook their. Besides Pakistan's moat successful t20 wc campaign (excluding 2009) was 2010 and 2021. 2021 where fakhar batted at no 3

Fakhar as t20i opener has been a failure. Period

 

[Hyder]

Stats cant be everything. You argue against bumrah which i agree with in terms of stats but use numbers to argue against fakhar.

Fakhar is an opener or no 3. Let him cook their. Besides Pakistan's moat successful t20 wc campaign (excluding 2009) was 2010 and 2021. 2021 where fakhar batted at no 3

And in 21 his sr was well below 120.

 

[Rana]

He was. Is. Will be. In t20i.

And Babar was, is and will be a

 

[Hyder]

And Babar was, is and will be a

I have realised one thing you are as dumb as indian fans. When you cant argue or give valid justifications u act like a kid lmao. Enjoy bro. Aint taking u serious


Here we are talking about fakhar and how he is a failure in t20i and when u know its a fact you just start acting like a baby

 

[Mamoon]

I have realised one thing you are as dumb as indian fans. When you cant argue or give valid justifications u act like a kid lmao. Enjoy bro. Aint taking u serious


Here we are talking about fakhar and how he is a failure in t20i and when u know its a fact you just start acting like a baby

Indian fans are genius compared to him. This guy’s IQ must be in single digits.

 

[topspin]

@topspin

Not sure what’s a more stupid comment:

“Joginder Sharma is a more impactful bowler than Shoaib Akhtar”

Or

“Fakhar Zaman is a hopeless batter in top 3 positions”

There’s something about the sorcery that comes out of the Lauderhill. It has doomed a number of posters.

Top 2 for me:

“Joginder Sharma is a more impactful bowler than Shoaib Akhtar”

“Misbah > Inzamam in ODIs”

 

[BouncerGuy]

Shoaib Akhtar speaking during a TV Show:

“We used to have expressive and explosive talent, and we played like that. We were never dependent on one individual — everyone chipped in.”

“No one used to look for escape routes. The environment has changed, and in the last 10–15 years, everyone has started playing for themselves. Everyone is playing for their averages. The intent should be to win matches for your country.”

“We need to change the intent, the mindset, and create that atmosphere. You need to play according to modern cricket. How hard is that to understand?”

“Halka sa seam hota hai toh musibat pad jaati hai (The ball moves a bit and they are in trouble). Rawalpindi pitch lekar nahi ghoom sakte (You can’t carry Pindi pitches everywhere).”

 

[BouncerGuy]

NO PERSONAL AND POLITICAL REMARKS HERE

 

[Mamoon]

Thank you Afghanistan for saving the world from noise pollution.

0 IQ, new era clowns humiliated again.

 

[Devadwal]

It’s June and the torment continues for you Devdas

I'm not seeing your post after your team defeats against Afghanistan. What happened? Torrents is countinue for you Even after Babar/Rizwan dropped from the team.

 

[BouncerGuy]

LOL.... Replicate??/ They can replicate only bad performances and can get worse...

People who will jump in defending Haris should watch mirror before reaching out... Thanks

 

[mominsaigol]

Thank you Afghanistan for saving the world from noise pollution.

0 IQ, new era clowns humiliated again.

Any time Pakistan loses you repeat the same comment.

Insert {Thank You X, for saving us from this noise pollution, 0 Iq Fans}

 

[mominsaigol]

LOL.... Replicate??/ They can replicate only bad performances and can get worse...

People who will jump in defending Haris should watch mirror before reaching out... Thanks

And here comes the 2nd repeater lol.

I'm living in deja vu land

 

[BouncerGuy]

And here comes the 2nd repeater lol.

I'm living in deja vu land

Here comes a guy who can only quote posts to make an irrelevant comment on it..

Still gonna defend Haris keeper??? BE MY GUEST

 

[mominsaigol]

Here comes a guy who can only quote posts to make an irrelevant comment on it..

Still gonna defend Haris keeper??? BE MY GUEST

You already know my arguments. I'm not defending anyone. Unlike you I am not biased.

Just cause people associate me with other posters since I've noticed I can go from being compared with Australian residents to Canadian residents to British residents etc etc doesn't mean anything.

I pointed out a simple fact, Haris at no 3 avg 28 sr 161( finn Allen esc), other positions he sucks. Until and unless he fails at no 3 then you can talk about discarding him.

No 7 is a thankless position and we saw how rizzu is failing at that no in CPL. CPL bowling is hogwash. Azam Khan is a superstar in cpl which shows the quality of that league.

In comparison Afghanistan bowlers are miles > CPL bowlers. Ik this since afghani bowlers have killed Azam's career before it even began. They forced shadab to drop azam after his 2nd international game.

Rizwan at no 7 international avg 11, SR 91
Rizwan at no 7 CPL, avg 10, sr 142

Rizwan in CPL overall avg 51, sr 128. Big whoop, Azam Khan did better .

 

[BouncerGuy]

You already know my arguments. I'm not defending anyone. Unlike you I am not biased.

Just cause people associate me with other posters since I've noticed I can go from being compared with Australian residents to Canadian residents to British residents etc etc doesn't mean anything.

I pointed out a simple fact, Haris at no 3 avg 28 sr 161( finn Allen esc), other positions he sucks. Until and unless he fails at no 3 then you can talk about discarding him.

No 7 is a thankless position and we saw how rizzu is failing at that no in CPL. CPL bowling is hogwash. Azam Khan is a superstar in cpl which shows the quality of that league.

In comparison Afghanistan bowlers are miles > CPL bowlers. Ik this since afghani bowlers have killed Azam's career before it even began. They forced shadab to drop azam after his 2nd international game.

Rizwan at no 7 international avg 11, SR 91
Rizwan at no 7 CPL, avg 10, sr 142

Rizwan in CPL overall avg 51, sr 128. Big whoop, Azam Khan did better .

Thread is about Pakistan replicating the success..

WHa has rizwan anything to do with it?? He is not even in the team.. Those who are in the team are even worse.. talk about them

 

[mominsaigol]

Thread is about Pakistan replicating the success..

WHa has rizwan anything to do with it?? He is not even in the team.. Those who are in the team are even worse.. talk about them

Yes a thread i created and the rules i set for the thread are now being changed and altered by you .

What does Haris have anything to do with replicating Pakistan's success i wonder? Who was the man who brought haris into this .

 

[Caved12]

We can’t even beat teams like Afghanistan, Bangladesh or West Indies comfortably, so how are we supposed to beat stronger teams with this T20 squad. Too many passengers in the side right now. Haris has no place in this team and Fakhar should only be on the bench, he shouldn’t keep getting chances in top 3.

Bowling also looks weak, and because of too many changes in the attack the bowlers can’t even settle. Trying out new things is fine but we have done way too much of it before the Asia Cup.

The only good thing is at least we are getting some practice matches, because our players are always slow starters even if they only had a month off. All we can do now is hope for the best and that the players who keep failing improve a bit before the tournament. End of the day, it is T20 cricket, any team can fluke a win here and there.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Yes a thread i created and the rules i set for the thread are now being changed and altered by you .

What does Haris have anything to do with replicating Pakistan's success i wonder? Who was the man who brought haris into this .

He is in the team and failing after multiple tries... He bashed bangladesh on falt track in 1 inning and since then he has failed against all weak teams... That is the connection now

 

[mominsaigol]

He is in the team and failing after multiple tries... He bashed bangladesh on falt track in 1 inning and since then he has failed against all weak teams... That is the connection now

What are his stats at no 3. You want success replication? How is that possible without No 3 replication?

 

[BouncerGuy]

What are his stats at no 3. You want success replication? How is that possible without No 3 replication?

A guy who cannot even cross 10 balls, even if he gets a chance to prove that he needs to bat higher??? What is his use?

 

[mominsaigol]

A guy who cannot even cross 10 balls, even if he gets a chance to prove that he needs to bat higher??? What is his use?

So his stats at no 3 dont exist? Howstat and Cricinfo are lying?

 

[BouncerGuy]

So his stats at no 3 dont exist? Howstat and Cricinfo are lying?

We all saw fakhar had better stats at 4. still you wanted him to open WHY???

Bro... There is something called ability that shows even if you face a single ball. haris has had more than that and he failed.. He is a clueless slogger.

 

[mominsaigol]

We all saw fakhar had better stats at 4. still you wanted him to open WHY???

Bro... There is something called ability that shows even if you face a single ball. haris has had more than that and he failed.. He is a clueless slogger.

Not this again. Why do people have reading issues? Either that or they wish to strawman me cause they think it'll be easier to beat me in an argument that way lol.

The reason I wanted fakhar to open was because at that time Fakhar was batting at 4 while ba/riz were opening.

I have maintained my stance that Babar and Rizwan are bootleg versions of Fakhar Zaman in any format. Fakhar is basically Ba/Riz except for the fact that he can pull out match wins at any given moment.

In odi Fakhar has been more consistent then rizwan but slightly less consistent then babar but more impact. In t20 Fakhar was only behind babar and rizwan in 2021 during their purple patch years.

Rn he is = Ba/Riz in t20 with the exception of pulling a match wonder which he has done in 2021, 2018, and in PSL.

If you are to play Fakhar in t20, their is no reason why he should not open over ba/riz since he is superior.

However Pakistan now has 2 specialist openers farhan and Saim. But even now Farhan and Saim have been equally crap lol. But because these 2 are t20 speiclaists which ba/riz aren't, I dont mind falhar going back to no 4. My statement was made when ba/riz were openers not after.

They aren't the same.

 

[Varun]

If losing to Afghanistan is a success, then why not? They will definitely replicate it against stronger teams.

 

[rpant_gabba]

The sight of Pak fans eating each others face....

 

[Mamoon]

If you are to play Fakhar in t20, their is no reason why he should not open over ba/riz since he is superior.

51 @127 and 38 @130 are far more useful than 22 @134.

There is nothing that makes Fakhar a superior T20I opener than Babar or Rizwan.

The problem is that Fakhar fans don’t want to accept the reality because it doesn’t go with their perception that isn’t grounded in reality.

Their justification is what Fakhar can do on a good day but no aggressive or dynamic opener would have a SR of 134 after 40 matches.

Fakhar is almost as slow as Babar and Rizwan and consumes almost the same number of dot balls.

However, on average, he scores half the runs that they do which means there is zero justification for why he should open ahead of them in T20Is.

Fakhar needs to bat at 4 or 5 or not be in the team. As simple as that, because he is not a superior alternative to either Babar or Rizwan as a T20I opener.

The funny thing is that Rizwan would never have opened in T20Is if Fakhar was not failing as an opener.

Rizwan was struggling in the lower-order and Fakhar was struggling as an opener. Misbah made Rizwan open and batted Fakhar in the middle-order, and both did much better than before.

Fakhar has only himself to blame for losing his opening spot. He was the undisputed first choice opener from 2017 to 2020 but apart from a couple of knocks in 2018, he was a failure.

 

[RyanRyan10]

51 @127 and 38 @130 are far more useful than 22 @134.

There is nothing that makes Fakhar a superior T20I opener than Babar or Rizwan.

The problem is that Fakhar fans don’t want to accept the reality because it doesn’t go with their perception that isn’t grounded in reality.

Their justification is what Fakhar can do on a good day but no aggressive or dynamic opener would have a SR of 134 after 40 matches.

Fakhar is almost as slow as Babar and Rizwan and consumes almost the same number of dot balls.

However, on average, he scores half the runs that they do which means there is zero justification for why he should open ahead of them in T20Is.

Fakhar needs to bat at 4 or 5 or not be in the team. As simple as that, because he is not a superior alternative to either Babar or Rizwan as a T20I opener.

The funny thing is that Rizwan would never have opened in T20Is if Fakhar was not failing as an opener.

Rizwan was struggling in the lower-order and Fakhar was struggling as an opener. Misbah made Rizwan open and batted Fakhar in the middle-order, and both did much better than before.

Fakhar has only himself to blame for losing his opening spot. He was the undisputed first choice opener from 2017 to 2020 but apart from a couple of knocks in 2018, he was a failure.

So basically Misbah built the team and his predecessors couldn't capitalize on it?

 

[mominsaigol]

51 @127 and 38 @130 are far more useful than 22 @134.

There is nothing that makes Fakhar a superior T20I opener than Babar or Rizwan.

The problem is that Fakhar fans don’t want to accept the reality because it doesn’t go with their perception that isn’t grounded in reality.

Their justification is what Fakhar can do on a good day but no aggressive or dynamic opener would have a SR of 134 after 40 matches.

Fakhar is almost as slow as Babar and Rizwan and consumes almost the same number of dot balls.

However, on average, he scores half the runs that they do which means there is zero justification for why he should open ahead of them in T20Is.

Fakhar needs to bat at 4 or 5 or not be in the team. As simple as that, because he is not a superior alternative to either Babar or Rizwan as a T20I opener.

The funny thing is that Rizwan would never have opened in T20Is if Fakhar was not failing as an opener.

Rizwan was struggling in the lower-order and Fakhar was struggling as an opener. Misbah made Rizwan open and batted Fakhar in the middle-order, and both did much better than before.

Fakhar has only himself to blame for losing his opening spot. He was the undisputed first choice opener from 2017 to 2020 but apart from a couple of knocks in 2018, he was a failure.

You realise Babar was avg 33 with a sr of 133 right? In 2024? In 2022 it was 31 with a sr of 123?

You guys are still living in 2020-2021 thats the problem.

Your arguments are solid but they literally ignore historical trends.

2025 =/= 2021. If you can't see the simple fact that babar and Rizwan are badly badly badly out of touch and form then I can't argue for you.

If you read my comments from the quote you posted i highlighted the purple patch uears where ba/riz were above Fakhar in the t20 format. And highlighted the trends as well something which you and everyone else ignores.

I saw your argument about hesson needing to bring his best out in players. That's not how reality works. Australia has tried and tried and tried but wasnt able to bring their best out in Labu even though Labu at his best is still better then green as a test batter.

Green is the better all format batsmen, but he's a test no 5-6-7. Not a test no 3 but hes forced to bat their as Beau is doing a good job at 6 and Labu is terrible atm.

The same concept of Labu applies to Ba/Riz.

 

[Mamoon]

You realise Babar was avg 33 with a sr of 133 right? In 2024? In 2022 it was 31 with a sr of 123?

You guys are still living in 2020-2021 thats the problem.

Your arguments are solid but they literally ignore historical trends.

2025 =/= 2021. If you can't see the simple fact that babar and Rizwan are badly badly badly out of touch and form then I can't argue for you.

If you read my comments from the quote you posted i highlighted the purple patch uears where ba/riz were above Fakhar in the t20 format. And highlighted the trends as well something which you and everyone else ignores.

I saw your argument about hesson needing to bring his best out in players. That's not how reality works. Australia has tried and tried and tried but wasnt able to bring their best out in Labu even though Labu at his best is still better then green as a test batter.

Green is the better all format batsmen, but he's a test no 5-6-7. Not a test no 3 but hes forced to bat their as Beau is doing a good job at 6 and Labu is terrible atm.

The same concept of Labu applies to Ba/Riz.

Fakhar fans who are living in 2018 are criticizing Babar and Rizwan fans for living in 2021.

 

[mominsaigol]

Fakhar fans who are living in 2018 are criticizing Babar and Rizwan fans for living in 2021.

You can remove Fakhar from t20 if you wish. But don't recommend Babar and Rizwan as replacements lol.

Maaz Sadaqat, Khawaja Nafay etc etc, plenty of newbies waiting in the wings for their debut

 

[Mamoon]

You can remove Fakhar from t20 if you wish. But don't recommend Babar and Rizwan as replacements lol.

Maaz Sadaqat, Khawaja Nafay etc etc, plenty of newbies waiting in the wings for their debut

I don’t want to remove him. I want him to play where he does best, which is #4. It seems like for Fakhar fans, it is an ego issue.

They can’t digest him batting below Babar and Rizwan when both have outperformed him as an opener in the format.

I will insist that my top 8 is considerably superior than the one Pakistan is currently playing.

Ayub
Rizwan (wk)
Babar
Fakhar
Agha
H. Nawaz
Faheem
Shaheen (c)

 

[Usman Chadda]

I don’t want to remove him. I want him to play where he does best, which is #4. It seems like for Fakhar fans, it is an ego issue.

They can’t digest him batting below Babar and Rizwan when both have outperformed him as an opener in the format.

I will insist that my top 8 is considerably superior than the one Pakistan is currently playing.

Ayub
Rizwan (wk)
Babar
Fakhar
Agha
H. Nawaz
Faheem
Shaheen (c)

Rizwan, Babar and Agha in one T20 team?

 

[mominsaigol]

I don’t want to remove him. I want him to play where he does best, which is #4. It seems like for Fakhar fans, it is an ego issue.

They can’t digest him batting below Babar and Rizwan when both have outperformed him as an opener in the format.

I will insist that my top 8 is considerably superior than the one Pakistan is currently playing.

Ayub
Rizwan (wk)
Babar
Fakhar
Agha
H. Nawaz
Faheem
Shaheen (c)

1) Farhan
2) Ayub
3) Haris/ Abdul Samad
4) Fakhar
5) Hasan Nawaz/Agha
6) Hasan Nawaz/Agha
7) Haris/Abdul Samad
8) Faheem/Nawaz
9) Muhammad Nawaz/Faheem
10) Shaheen
11) any bowler, dont really mind.

 

[Usman Chadda]

1) Farhan
2) Ayub
3) Haris/ Abdul Samad
4) Fakhar
5) Hasan Nawaz/Agha
6) Hasan Nawaz/Agha
7) Haris/Abdul Samad
8) Faheem/Nawaz
9) Muhammad Nawaz/Faheem
10) Shaheen
11) any bowler, dont really mind.

Bowling is too weak here, even weaker than it is now.

Farhan
Ayub
Haris
Fakhar
Hassan Nawaz/Agha
Hassan Nawaz/Agha
Mohammad Nawaz
Faheem/Talat/Khushdil
Haris Rauf
Shaheen
Sufiyan/Abrar

This is the best we can do.

 

[Ahmed216]

Rizwan, Babar and Agha in one T20 team?

I agree. We can have Haris Sahibzada and Fakhar in one team but not these three

 

[Usman Chadda]

I agree. We can have Haris Sahibzada and Fakhar in one team but not these three

We should have Babar and Rizwan bat twice, just to please a few fans here.

 

[Ahmed216]

I don’t want to remove him. I want him to play where he does best, which is #4. It seems like for Fakhar fans, it is an ego issue.

They can’t digest him batting below Babar and Rizwan when both have outperformed him as an opener in the format.

I will insist that my top 8 is considerably superior than the one Pakistan is currently playing.

Ayub
Rizwan (wk)
Babar
Fakhar
Agha
H. Nawaz
Faheem
Shaheen (c)

It's a much better line-up than the one currently playing.