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Will Pakistan Super League 2018 be the end of the "seniors"?

Humza_Razzaque

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Looking back at the 2 PSL seasons each season has awarded us wih some great young talents .If it were not for PSL There would be no Hassan ,Shadab or Fakhar As new talents have emerged the Old I MEAN THE REALLY OLD ONES Have made their exits such as the likes of Wahab and Umar
With each season more EXPERIENCED PLAYERS have made their exits so does this mean that PSL2018 WOULD BE THE END OF SENIORS?
 
Just need Talat, Sahibzada and Shaheen to give some solid performances.
 
If team management take a hard stand on useless seniors, then this will be a reality. Otherwise seniors will keep finding Channels to comeback into the team
 
I have no problem against anyone in the squad as long as they perform
Can’t start creating this seniors vs youngsters thing
Those that perform should be selected, those that fail should be dropped regardless of level of experience
 
Just wish franchise owners dont use PSL to reward old-timers
 
Is Talat really that hard hitter finisher that we are looking for?

One useless senior left in form of Ahmed Shehzad.

My wish for PSL is this that Pakistan finds a hard hitting batting Wicket keeper too. I am not totally satisfied from Sarfraz.
 
We need to find atleast 4 aggressive 120 plus SR batsmen from the PSL and transition them into international cricket.
 
Malik will probably preform in the PSL but the question can any upcoming youngsters like Shaukeel, Talat or Sahibzada preform better?
 
Well one team has 44 year old Misbah as their captain when he has zero future in international cricket. When we get rid of seniors like him who are hogging a junior's spot only then we can progress. Heck in place of him we could have had some youngster captaining IU and possibly developing a successor to Sarfaraz.
 
Hopefully it is. Needs Talat,Shazbinda, and others to perform. Our bowling is good, needs bench strength that's all. Need young batsmen to step up.
 
Well one team has 44 year old Misbah as their captain when he has zero future in international cricket. When we get rid of seniors like him who are hogging a junior's spot only then we can progress. Heck in place of him we could have had some youngster captaining IU and possibly developing a successor to Sarfaraz.

He is STILL playing PSL?(!!!!)
 
Normally, I have seen a trend that average age of every such PLs & SLs gradually reduces for first few years, then becomes more or less steady. Main reason is that, when such leagues start, for commercial values, brands/owners try to hire reputed star faces. Besides, at the start often team management also are not sure about the talent pool from domestic circuits - therefore they tend to be comfortable with known faces, seasoned FC cricketers who had been performing in domestics for a decade. Once the team is settled and brand is established, franchises tends to hire younger talents - apart from other reasons, it helps to phase out oldies and manage the budget as well. I can give a simple example is that - next BPL, Afif will be a hot shot, and he'll make one of Nasir or Mahmudullah uncomfortable; this year about 8 or 9 players played in BPL who were still eligible for U19 WC, and this number should grow next year.

PSL is in 3rd season, I expected the average age to go down considerably, because of the scouting network; but it's not started yet to be honest. Still, most of the top tier contracts given to seniors and there is hardly any effort to bring youngsters in leadership. That's important as well to reduce the average age, because an aged Captain will always be more comfortable to have contemporary players around.
 
Islamabad all the way. Supporting them. Hopefully, they'll emerge champions just like they did in the opening season.
 
If people like Hafeez and Malik fail their careers very well could be over.
 
there is really no reason that Misbah should continue playing the PSL
 
Well one team has 44 year old Misbah as their captain when he has zero future in international cricket. When we get rid of seniors like him who are hogging a junior's spot only then we can progress. Heck in place of him we could have had some youngster captaining IU and possibly developing a successor to Sarfaraz.

how is he hogging a juniors spot?

just because you are a junior doesnt mean you deserve a spot.

you want a spot? then prove it.

many senior players play domestic cricekt, so why do you guys have a problem if Misbah plays? This is domestic not even freaken international
 
I doubt it.

In fact I think "seniors" like Hafeez and Malik will perform well in the PSL and justify their places in the national team.
 
I doubt it.

In fact I think "seniors" like Hafeez and Malik will perform well in the PSL and justify their places in the national team.

most curious to see what happens next, but i think their careers are over. if they are overlooked for when we play Zim later this year, we'll know for sure.
 
A good batsman in this era should be able to score in every format. It shouldn’t be too hard for him to score at around a -120 sr

Sab choro jaani, still waiting for Babar's first match-winning ODI knock against a decent bowling attack :asif
 
how is he hogging a juniors spot?

just because you are a junior doesnt mean you deserve a spot.

you want a spot? then prove it.

many senior players play domestic cricekt, so why do you guys have a problem if Misbah plays? This is domestic not even freaken international

Yes Misbah should continue playing till he is 65....
 
as a 45 year old in a t20 format?
its not like we are Zimbabwe, who have no other options than dave houghton or edo brandes

again what is wrong in that?

give me a rational argument, no need to make ridiculous comments....

i see many veteran players playing in leagues, what is wrong with that, plz freaken tell me.

ever heard about jaromir jagr?
 
Yes Misbah should continue playing till he is 65....

if you go around on a forum saying that so and so should not play, plz do bother to present a rational argument....
 
if you go around on a forum saying that so and so should not play, plz do bother to present a rational argument....

The rational argument is his freaking age.... people younger than him are taking up coaching and here we have a guy playing when there is zero possibility of him ever playing international cricket again.


He was selfish and will remain selfish. Garbage cricketer.
 
The rational argument is his freaking age.... people younger than him are taking up coaching and here we have a guy playing when there is zero possibility of him ever playing international cricket again.


He was selfish and will remain selfish. Garbage cricketer.

? again present a rational argument.


just because he is 40 is not an argument. Veteran sport stars play sports in leagues. This isn't something new
 
again what is wrong in that?

give me a rational argument, no need to make ridiculous comments....

i see many veteran players playing in leagues, what is wrong with that, plz freaken tell me.

ever heard about jaromir jagr?

there's nothing that's not already self evident.
Pakistan cricket is better served by having younger guys take more responsibility.
Misbah has had a profound impact on how Pakistan plays it cricket across all formats: that's not a bad thing per se: but when there's a change its important for the incumbent to step aside for a season or two so that new ideas/thoughts/strategies may be implemented.

Seemed obvious enough to me
 
? again present a rational argument.


just because he is 40 is not an argument. Veteran sport stars play sports in leagues. This isn't something new

You'll get your reason when Islu drop Misbah from the playing XI halfway through the tournament.
 
how is he hogging a juniors spot?

just because you are a junior doesnt mean you deserve a spot.

you want a spot? then prove it.

many senior players play domestic cricekt, so why do you guys have a problem if Misbah plays? This is domestic not even freaken international

Can we check his stats in last psl??
 
? again present a rational argument.


just because he is 40 is not an argument. Veteran sport stars play sports in leagues. This isn't something new

plz just his stats in psl and lets see where he stands.
 
Normally, I have seen a trend that average age of every such PLs & SLs gradually reduces for first few years, then becomes more or less steady. Main reason is that, when such leagues start, for commercial values, brands/owners try to hire reputed star faces. Besides, at the start often team management also are not sure about the talent pool from domestic circuits - therefore they tend to be comfortable with known faces, seasoned FC cricketers who had been performing in domestics for a decade. Once the team is settled and brand is established, franchises tends to hire younger talents - apart from other reasons, it helps to phase out oldies and manage the budget as well. I can give a simple example is that - next BPL, Afif will be a hot shot, and he'll make one of Nasir or Mahmudullah uncomfortable; this year about 8 or 9 players played in BPL who were still eligible for U19 WC, and this number should grow next year.

PSL is in 3rd season, I expected the average age to go down considerably, because of the scouting network; but it's not started yet to be honest. Still, most of the top tier contracts given to seniors and there is hardly any effort to bring youngsters in leadership. That's important as well to reduce the average age, because an aged Captain will always be more comfortable to have contemporary players around.


Have you seen the Islamabad United squad? It will be dominated by young Pakistan players. Shadab,Talat,Gohar,Faheem,and Sahibzada all likely to start.
 
Misbah scored a grand total of 120 runs in last PSL with strike rate u all know..always sucks the momentum out of the innings.
 
Have you seen the Islamabad United squad? It will be dominated by young Pakistan players. Shadab,Talat,Gohar,Faheem,and Sahibzada all likely to start.

playing eleven willl decide wehther changes occurs or not.
 
This is the line of thinking that sets people of for disappointment. We have been through this before - PSL 3 will not be a closure of anything and nor will be it the dawn of a new era.

Most of the youngsters of today will be TTFs of the future. For every Shadab or Hasan or Fakhar, we will have 3-4 players that will be peg the team back.

Instead of marking down arbitrary events as the start and end of something, we need to go with the flow and embrace the fact that we will have a collection of good players and mediocre players.

That is how it has been and that is how it will be. I have no reason to believe that our perennial mediocrity will end once we get rid of Azhar, Hafeez etc.

What we can do is to ensure that proven failures are replaced with non-proven failures. I prefer losing with the next generation of TTFs rather than the existing one.
 
playing eleven willl decide wehther changes occurs or not.


True but at least one franchise is going with youngsters. Misbah will be gone after this season so age of the team will come down further. Lahore have also backed youngsters.

PZ and QG have gone with oldies unfortunately.
 
True but at least one franchise is going with youngsters. Misbah will be gone after this season so age of the team will come down further. Lahore have also backed youngsters.

PZ and QG have gone with oldies unfortunately.

I think Misbah will be kiced out in the middle of the tournament..he is done but dunno what is he still doing.
 
I think Misbah will be kiced out in the middle of the tournament..he is done but dunno what is he still doing.

Think he will play out the tournament but if he doesn't perform he could drop himself.

He shouldn't have played this tournament.
 
Think he will play out the tournament but if he doesn't perform he could drop himself.

He shouldn't have played this tournament.

i doubt he will do it himself.Can post his stats here las time h played was complete flop with grand total of 120 runs.
 
Misbah will retire after this edition. Playing for one final paycheck.
 
Arguments against Misbah captaining Islamabad are rubbish as they get. It's not new that an older player who no longer plays international cricket captains a team in league cricket. Look at the IPL, they have Ghambir who has been a captain for so many years and will continue to do for years to come even though his international career is over. Zaheer Khan is an even bigger example as he himself has retired. On top of that, India is known to be one of the best developers of youth yet they allow older players to captain their premier league teams. Some Pakistanis are simply out with an agenda against Misbah but have no rationale to support it.
 
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how is he hogging a juniors spot?

just because you are a junior doesnt mean you deserve a spot.

you want a spot? then prove it.

many senior players play domestic cricekt, so why do you guys have a problem if Misbah plays? This is domestic not even freaken international

I herby declare you the official spokesperson for Misbah ul Haq on this site. Congrats.
 
there's nothing that's not already self evident.
Pakistan cricket is better served by having younger guys take more responsibility.
Misbah has had a profound impact on how Pakistan plays it cricket across all formats: that's not a bad thing per se: but when there's a change its important for the incumbent to step aside for a season or two so that new ideas/thoughts/strategies may be implemented.

Seemed obvious enough to me

this is domestic cricket. here the interest of islamabad united and other clubs are looked at.


let me remind you, the concerns of franchise teams is primary, pakistan national team becomes secondary here.
 
This is the line of thinking that sets people of for disappointment. We have been through this before - PSL 3 will not be a closure of anything and nor will be it the dawn of a new era.

Most of the youngsters of today will be TTFs of the future. For every Shadab or Hasan or Fakhar, we will have 3-4 players that will be peg the team back.

Instead of marking down arbitrary events as the start and end of something, we need to go with the flow and embrace the fact that we will have a collection of good players and mediocre players.

That is how it has been and that is how it will be. I have no reason to believe that our perennial mediocrity will end once we get rid of Azhar, Hafeez etc.

What we can do is to ensure that proven failures are replaced with non-proven failures. I prefer losing with the next generation of TTFs rather than the existing one.
in every sports, there ttfs and then there are the good players.

thats how legues are made.

THe so called fans on this forum think that only the best should play. ANd if we consider the best of Pakistan cricket, we barely have any 10 players.

You cannot remove veteran players who are assets to their home teams from domestic cricket altogether.

SOme fans on this forum need to watch more sports to understand.
 
this is domestic cricket. here the interest of islamabad united and other clubs are looked at.


let me remind you, the concerns of franchise teams is primary, pakistan national team becomes secondary here.

Misbah was captaining a BPL side and couldn't buy a run and was ultimately dropped and replaced as captain after a few games.

For his sake, I hope the same doesn't happen here.
 
Misbah was captaining a BPL side and couldn't buy a run and was ultimately dropped and replaced as captain after a few games.

For his sake, I hope the same doesn't happen here.

Inshallah I hope it happens in PSL as well. Selfish people can only learn one way.
 
Inshallah I hope it happens in PSL as well. Selfish people can only learn one way.

He isn't under obligation to announce his retirement.

If he fails, I would blame IU more than Misbah.

Perhaps it would've been difficult for them to just let him go just like that, but they could have appointed another captain.
 
most curious to see what happens next, but i think their careers are over. if they are overlooked for when we play Zim later this year, we'll know for sure.

That is precisely the type of tour where our seniors can suddenly return to “form” ...
 
Inshallah I hope it happens in PSL as well. Selfish people can only learn one way.

Just curious but if Misbah needs to retire - do you think the PSL franchises should also discard Watson, Sanga and KP?

Gayle has already not been selected this year...
 
He isn't under obligation to announce his retirement.

If he fails, I would blame IU more than Misbah.

Perhaps it would've been difficult for them to just let him go just like that, but they could have appointed another captain.

May I ask why Misbah is under no obligation to retire? :13:

At this point he is doing no favors to IU, Pakistan cricket or even himself.

He is taken no the spot of a youngster who could gain valuable experience playing for IU...
 
May I ask why Misbah is under no obligation to retire? :13:

At this point he is doing no favors to IU, Pakistan cricket or even himself.

He is taken no the spot of a youngster who could gain valuable experience playing for IU...

Still better than Shehzad.
 
In Australian Big Bash, there is guy named Brad Hogg he played in 2003 WC. He is 47 and still playing.
 
May I ask why Misbah is under no obligation to retire? :13:

At this point he is doing no favors to IU, Pakistan cricket or even himself.

He is taken no the spot of a youngster who could gain valuable experience playing for IU...

He has a family to look after and so far, cricket has been his livelihood. If a team is going to pay him good money to play, he would be stupid to turn it down. People can call it selfish but most in that position would do the same.

Of course, it would be better it he had retired on a high - But maybe that can still happen :afridi
 
Still better than Shehzad.

The difference between them is light and day and I am not talking about performances.

Shehzad is 20 years younger. Not to mention now is the first choice opener for the T20 side - at least for now...

Shehzad needs the PSL experience, Misbah doesn’t...
 
Misbah should play the fourth season also just to make some people cry more. Inshallah.
 
He has a family to look after and so far, cricket has been his livelihood. If a team is going to pay him good money to play, he would be stupid to turn it down. People can call it selfish but most in that position would do the same.

Of course, it would be better it he had retired on a high - But maybe that can still happen :afridi

Why can’t he move to a different role after retirement like many others do? :danish
 
Just curious but if Misbah needs to retire - do you think the PSL franchises should also discard Watson, Sanga and KP?

Gayle has already not been selected this year...

Each of those are spectacular players compared to Misbah and the youngsters can learn alot from them. What are they going to learn from Misbah? How to dead bat ball after ball even if required rate is touching double digits because apparently he was "absorbing" pressure.
 
in every sports, there ttfs and then there are the good players.

thats how legues are made.

THe so called fans on this forum think that only the best should play. ANd if we consider the best of Pakistan cricket, we barely have any 10 players.

You cannot remove veteran players who are assets to their home teams from domestic cricket altogether.

SOme fans on this forum need to watch more sports to understand.

I watch more sports than most here - can't find why a 48 years old should hold on to his position in a young mans game.

Do you think, it'll be respectful for a former PAK Captain for six years, to receive the same treatment in a PAK league that he got in BPL? Someone appointed as Captain with high hopes was benched after few games for utter uselessness ...

Either BPL is several level above PSL, for him to be benched there unceremoniously, but still Captaining IU - the 1st champs of PSL, or you have to agree that guy is using his position & reputation to earn some cheap bucks at the expense of more deserving players, who are almost batch mates of his son.
 
To be frank if by seniors you mean Hafeez and Malik, they aren't going away from the ODI team. Hafeez did well in NZ and Malik well he will not be dropped. So possibly Azhar Ali will be shown the door and Ahmed Shehzad will make a comeback in the ODI team. Don't think too much experimentation will happen in the batting. Except for Fakhar the batting comebacks in the X1 have been of players whom we have been hearing about for ages, Umar Amin, Haris Sohail etc..
 
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