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Will Pakistan touch championship gold in the next 2 decades?

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Like many, my interest in Pak cricket continues to wane after being a #TeamPakistan member of many years.

And seeing the free fall even after chances are being given to youngsters the question comes up for many who now may only follow Pakistan cricket during tournament season…

And that is,

Will Pakistan ever win a championship again? Forget test championship for a second, what about a CT win or World t20 even?

Or is it time to boost stats and win Sikander Raza-Mohammad Hafeez trophy in Harare?
 
Will Pakistan ever win a championship again? Forget test championship for a second, what about a CT win or World t20 even?
If India can win them back to back, Pakistan can continue to win them back to back for 10 years.
 
Goes to show how special that champions trophy win was in 2017. Final hurrah for Amir and redemption arc for him coming full circle after everything he’s been a part of, final hurrah for Sarfraz as well, actual peak of his career as a captain, Azhar Ali played the limited overs innings of his LIFE, arguably the innings of his life overall, and a cool sign off for Hafeez as well in one of his final major tournament appearances

For Fauji Fakhar it was him cementing his name as a world class LOI player and leaving a psychological scar on India’s main spearhead that he may still deal with to this day, and even the drop catch was redeemed.

Do we even have players in that sort of form or class anymore to pull something out of the hat?
 
We might fluke our way to a T20 title once every decade given the nature of the format and tournament cricket. Hoping beyond that would be delusional. Not that we don't have the talent to do it. It's how we put that talent to use and the volatility of the surrounding environment and supporting processes that ensures that we won't ever be able to achieve consistency at the highest level.
 
We might fluke our way to a T20 title once every decade given the nature of the format and tournament cricket. Hoping beyond that would be delusional. Not that we don't have the talent to do it. It's how we put that talent to use and the volatility of the surrounding environment and supporting processes that ensures that we won't ever be able to achieve consistency at the highest level.
Naah, T20 has become a very well-defined format now with defined roles and gameplans.

Pakistan did well in the early days but have become a minnow since in the format.
 
It’s completely fair to feel disappointed with where Pakistan cricket stands today but it’s also important to reflect honestly on how you got there.

Many on this forum had previously hinted that 2009 T20 World Cup and the 2017 Champions Trophy victories, while iconic and emotionally uplifting might have just served the purpose of masking the deeper structural flaws in Pakistan cricket.

Those wins created a kind of illusion that Pakistan was still a major force in world cricket when in reality they were rarely operating as a consistent Top 3 or Top 4 side across formats. Instead of those moments being launchpads for sustained growth, they became comfort zones for the board and the fan groups here that allowed complacency and grand delusions to creep in.

Contrast that with a team like South Africa. Despite not winning a global ICC trophy in the last 20 years, they’ve been a steady and competitive presence in world cricket. Their infrastructure, fitness standards, competitive spirit have kept them relevant in all formats even without the silverware. In many ways, they represent the opposite of Pakistan, a system that emphasizes long-term stability over sporadic brilliances. While Pakistani fans hyped Amir’s 4 overs spell in 2017 to the moon, the South Africans quietly added Steyn and Rabada into GOAT conversation without much noise.

Cricket, unlike many other global sports. has a relatively small pool of elite teams, maybe 7 or 8 serious contenders in total. That makes ICC tournament formats a bit of a lottery to be honest. A team ranked 5th to 8th can with just a few good performances walk away with a world title. That’s not to diminish the achievement but it’s an inherent nature of such tournaments. A team with 50 wins from 70 matches during 4 years might walk out of the tournament empty handed and a team with 20 wins from 70 matches during the same timeframe might walk away with the cup in its hands by playing few weeks of good cricket and handling the pressure better.

So when we look at Pakistan’s two trophies in the last 15 years, they seem like high points but not necessarily reflections of consistent excellence. Meanwhile, teams like New Zealand and South Africa, despite having fewer trophies in the same period, are seen as healthier cricketing nations because of their consistency, structure, and player development pipelines.

Look at India as well. They went a full decade without an ICC trophy, yet their win/loss ratios, away performances, squad depth, and domestic cricket structure arguably hit their highest standards during that time. That’s the kind of excellence fans should be demanding not just the thrill of a one-off tournament win every 10 years.

For Pakistan to truly rise, fans and administrators alike need to shift focus from nostalgia and isolated moments of glory to building systems that produce world-class results year in, year out. That means stable management, long-term planning, investment in domestic cricket, and above all, a demand for consistency not just heroics.

Only then will Pakistan stop being a team that surprises once in a while and start being one that commands respect every day.





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Like many, my interest in Pak cricket continues to wane after being a #TeamPakistan member of many years.

And seeing the free fall even after chances are being given to youngsters the question comes up for many who now may only follow Pakistan cricket during tournament season…

And that is,

Will Pakistan ever win a championship again? Forget test championship for a second, what about a CT win or World t20 even?

Or is it time to boost stats and win Sikander Raza-Mohammad Hafeez trophy in Harare?
I don't see it happening anytime soon because "testing the team combination" is not getting over since forever

frequent management/ captaincy changes and everybody bringing in their own rules also have hit the roots
 
Cricket is such a small sport that all Pakistan has to do in major tournaments is not to have a brainfart and they end up in semis. After that its just a matter of who plays better on those two crucial days.

But Pakistan manage to get knocked out despite the format designed to keep the major teams till as late as possible
 
Naah, T20 has become a very well-defined format now with defined roles and gameplans.

Pakistan did well in the early days but have become a minnow since in the format.
Yes it has become more well-defined but still much more unpredictable than the longer formats. Difference in skills between teams don't matter as much as in ODIs and tests and the format allows weaker teams to be more competitive. Add to it the unpredictability of tournaments and you just need a good run of 4-5 games to win a trophy. Not saying that Pakistan will do it next year but its not impossible. In ODIs and tests its far less likely.
 
Cricket is such a small sport that all Pakistan has to do in major tournaments is not to have a brainfart and they end up in semis. After that its just a matter of who plays better on those two crucial days.

But Pakistan manage to get knocked out despite the format designed to keep the major teams till as late as possible
Thing is cricket is getting bigger. The likes of Bangladesh, Afghanistan, USA defeating Pak would be unthinkable a decade ago. Same thing as in hockey. The top teams in hockey have remained same but the likes of Korea, Japan, NZ etc improving mean that Pakistan is pushed further down the chain.
 
Thing is cricket is getting bigger. The likes of Bangladesh, Afghanistan, USA defeating Pak would be unthinkable a decade ago. Same thing as in hockey. The top teams in hockey have remained same but the likes of Korea, Japan, NZ etc improving mean that Pakistan is pushed further down the chain.
Not at all. Bangladesh beat Pakistan in 1999 and Ireland beat them in '07. Not unthinkable.
 
Not at all. Bangladesh beat Pakistan in 1999 and Ireland beat them in '07. Not unthinkable.
Not one off upsets. Consistent beatings.

Bangladesh has been a consistent thorn in Pak's side in the last decade. Even kicked them out of two Asia Cups.
 
No, they will not win anything in the foreseeable future.

To win a tournament you need to play well consistently.

The current team will struggle against other inconsistent teams like Sri Lanka, Windies, Afghanistan and Bangladesh let alone the top 5 teams right now (Australia, India, South Africa, England and New Zealand)

Batting is predictably pathetic. No discipline or consistency whatsoever
 
Never say never.

Pakistan were underdogs in 1992 WC, 2009 World T20, and 2017 CT. They still won those trophies.
 
The real question is, "Will Pakistan get direct entry into tournaments, or will they have to start playing qualifiers"? Forget winning a tournament for the foreseeable future. Worry more about getting direct qualifications into tournaments.
 
They haven't been ODI championship material since 99.

Only 1 semifinal after that.

Should turn it around in T20's at least
 
The real question is, "Will Pakistan get direct entry into tournaments, or will they have to start playing qualifiers"? Forget winning a tournament for the foreseeable future. Worry more about getting direct qualifications into tournaments.
Similar to hockey. USA with MLC might become real good in 10 years or so.
 
Pakistan has won a trophy every decade since 80s (if you include Nehru cup). We are due one in next five years.
 
Not at all. Bangladesh beat Pakistan in 1999 and Ireland beat them in '07. Not unthinkable.
By that logic both bangladesh and Kenya beat india in 1996 during an utterly useless tri series in the middle of summer where we had bowling attacks led by paras mhumbrey
 
It is sad that such an old team are still "underdogs" after so many years of cricket history. That's not really a good thing.

Your comment doesn't make any logical sense.

Just because a team is old doesn't mean they can't be underdogs. For example, West Indies currently are definite underdogs even though they play cricket longer than India and Pakistan.

Old teams can become underdogs because cricket world doesn't stay the same.
 
T20 WC is the only possible one. ODI wc became longer with every team playing each other which wasn't the case before. Even the 92 team needed a bit of luck from rain to get them through to knockouts. In T20s the variance is more so any avg performing team can hit top gear for 3-4 weeks and ace the tournament. WTC is out of question.
 
T20 WC is the only possible one. ODI wc became longer with every team playing each other which wasn't the case before. Even the 92 team needed a bit of luck from rain to get them through to knockouts. In T20s the variance is more so any avg performing team can hit top gear for 3-4 weeks and ace the tournament. WTC is out of question.

2027 ODI WC is scheduled to have a different format. Same as 2003 WC (2 groups of 7; total of 14 teams).

I think ICC changed it to ensure qualifications of teams like West Indies (who missed out last time).
 
By that logic both bangladesh and Kenya beat india in 1996 during an utterly useless tri series in the middle of summer where we had bowling attacks led by paras mhumbrey

It may seem useless now but those were normal series during those days. There were no IPL, T20 etc. Also, India was an average team. :inti
 
Your comment doesn't make any logical sense.

Just because a team is old doesn't mean they can't be underdogs. For example, West Indies currently are definite underdogs even though they play cricket longer than India and Pakistan.

Old teams can become underdogs because cricket world doesn't stay the same.
Yes old teams can become underdogs. And it's sad when they do. Pakistan going the west indies way is sad for cricket overall which needs a strong Pakistan.
 
Yes old teams can become underdogs. And it's sad when they do. Pakistan going the west indies way is sad for cricket overall which needs a strong Pakistan.
Outside SENA and India cricket is finished. Everyone is aware of this.
 
Yes that's another thing too. Test cricket in particular is almost done.
Shame cause test is my favourite format. The current test players are nowhere near the quality of the past.

The best test batters of this era excluding root, Williamson and Smith is a 23 year old newbie(jaiswal), 2 slog machines (Head and Brooks), one unorthodox dine and dasher (Pant), a 37 avg Bavuma and a few more.

Crazy to see how quickly the standards fell from the likes of Hayden, Sachin, Ponting, Lara, De villers, Chanderpaul.

Even the avg batters from that era had one to peak series which could qualify them to be ATG's like cook who despite being avg had a dream ashes run, Mahela and Sanga who are massively > Williamson.

Infact Williamson is a bootleg version of David Warner who himself was a bootleg version of sehwag.

Huge huge shame.
 
Nowadays there is an ICC event every year, Pakistan will definitely win in the next 10 years
 
It may seem useless now but those were normal series during those days. There were no IPL, T20 etc. Also, India was an average team. :inti
India were in the top 4 ODI sides of the world, especially since this came right after the world cup. It was Bangladesh that was the rank bottom of the barrel scraping team. Even Kenya made short work of you then.

And i misspoke, Bangladesh did not beat India then, that would not happen for another 8 years after the coca cola tri series. so yeah, pretty pathetic then, pretty pathetic since, and pretty pathetic now. and likely in the future too.
 
Difficult at moment

WTC is out of question
Small chance in 2027 WC if we play good cricket
 
No. :inti


Too bad games are actually won on the field and not on social media where Pakistani online army can muster up some fake ICC tournament wins just like they do with....
 
For Fauji Fakhar it was him cementing his name as a world class LOI player and leaving a psychological scar on India’s main spearhead that he may still deal with to this day, and even the drop catch was redeemed.
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

In the Pakistani alternate reality, Bumrah went on to become the modern Chetan Sharma and not the best bowler in the world.

Also, Fauji Fakhar :yk2
 
Late Moeen Akhtar in studio 2.5

‘Waise, I beg your pardon, gold laane k liye khelna zaroori nahi. Abhi thorey hi din pehle meri wife Sharjah gayee thee and she brought a lot of gold!’
 
Pakistan’s decline started since the decline in the quality of our pace bowling

Shaheen Shah Afridi has regressed as a bowler. The less said about the others the better

Our batting has always been unreliable principally relying on 1-2 brilliant individuals in every era. However, we were still able to challenge good teams in the past because of our world-class bowling. Now our batting gets exposed even more because of our weak bowling
 
If Pakistan keep giving preference to T20 cricket, they will continue to languish at the bottom. Need to play more test matches to unearth quality players for the future.
 
Pakistan reached semi-final of 2021 World T20 and final of 2022 World T20. They were a great team till 2022.

After that, they started to decline.

I think current T20 guys are good but they need to select the right pacers.
 
Tbh isn’t the real championship gold the hearts team Pakistan wins along the way? Converting haters into fans by their heartwarming performances and incredible effort despite being sabotaged by their cricket board?

TBH to me that is greater than materialistic things like a gold trophy. Mods, please close this thread because the real gold has already been won by this champion team many times over the last 3 decades.
 
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