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Will the PDM movement be able to topple the Imran Khan regime?

  • They will fail miserably

    Votes: 11 100.0%

  • They wont topple the government but weaken it

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Imran Khan's regime will be removed by PDM

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
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The Viper said:
As PDM deadline for govt to quit passes, Bilawal says opposition 'must now force removal of puppets'

PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari on Sunday called upon the joint opposition to "force the removal of puppets", after the January 31 deadline set by the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) for Prime Minister Imran Khan to quit passed without any signs of the government retreating.

"The selected PM has failed to resign by the deadline set by PDM," Bilawal said in a series of tweets, adding that the opposition alliance had given "this illegitimate regime the opportunity to step aside respectfully and allow for a transition to democracy with free, fair and transparent elections".

He said the Pakistani people faced historic poverty, unemployment and inflation because the incumbent government had been "forced on them".

"The joint opposition must now force the removal of puppets," he wrote, emphasising that the PPP believed in relying on democratic tactics and that sustained joint efforts inside and outside the parliament would "ultimately succeed" in sending the government home.

Bilawal said the plan of staging a long-march against the government and moving a no-trust motion against Prime Minister Imran will "hopefully be discussed" in the next PDM meeting.

In a reference to the government's plan of introducing a constitutional amendment for open ballot in the upcoming Senate polls, the PPP chairman said the government's "desperation" was clear as it was "trying to change rules to rig Senate elections because they can see their defeat".

"God-willing, Senate elections will show [that the] government is on shaky ground," he added.

Bilawal also used the occasion to reiterate that the establishment "must leave political battles to the politicians now or risk being drawn into controversies".

"Only a government chosen by the people can deliver for the people," he concluded.

After a meeting of the leadership of its member parties, the PDM had given a deadline to Prime Minister Imran to step down by January 31, with the warning that a march on Islamabad would otherwise result in the ouster of the PTI government.

“In case the government does not step down, the date of the long march will be announced on Feb 1. We ask the people of Pakistan to start preparations for the long march from today,” PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman had told a presser after presiding over the meeting.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1604706/a...opposition-must-now-force-removal-of-puppets]
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Billo has played it clever, she has got Maryam and Diesel to take all the risks and stood by as they imploded. How the hell will the Nooras compete against the PPP as they have been singing their tune for the last year+.
Maryam has been humiliated and Diesel is begging for mercy. Its time to go after Billo Rani and his crooked father, Billo thinks she is clever well its time she was put in her place and that is jail.
 
Minnowbasher said:
Imran Khan is definitely shaking right now. 2 failed attempts already but somehow this third attempt to create drama will result in the removal of the PM.
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IK treats these crooks with contempt, he has taken on the untouchables like Diesel, Khoker Bros and obviously the family Businesses. Come what may, IK has given the mafia the sleepless nights he promised
 
The Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) on Thursday announced it will stage a long march against the PTI government on March 26, seen as one of the major components of the opposition's anti-government movement started last year.

Speaking to reporters after an hours-long meeting of the alliance's leadership in Islamabad, PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman said the opposition parties in PDM will contest the upcoming Senate elections jointly.

"Caravans of long march will leave for Islamabad from across the country on March 26," Rehman said.

He added that the PDM had decided that "we will contest the Senate elections jointly; there will be a joint strategy for it and we will not compete against each other. We will field joint candidates."


Answering a question, Rehman said the PDM will decide about the PPP's suggestion to move a no-confidence motion against the prime minister, as well as about resigning from assemblies, after the Senate elections.

Besides PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz, PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari and other representatives of opposition parties, the meeting lasting more than five hours was attended by PML-N supremo and former prime minister Nawaz Sharif and former president Asif Ali Zardari via video link.

The PDM also "rejected" the proposed constitutional amendment presented by the government for open balloting in the Senate polls, Rehman announced, as "the opposition believes in a comprehensive package for electoral reforms."

"It appears that the PTI does not have confidence in its members and the PTI leadership wants some undesirable people to become senators for whom their own members are not ready to vote."

The JUI-F chief said the PDM parties had decided to "stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the common man" against the rulers, whom he held responsible for a steep rise in the prices of electricity, gas, petrol and food items.

The alliance also "rejects" the one-member inquiry commission comprising retired Supreme Court Justice Azmat Saeed Sheikh set up by the government to probe the Broadsheet scandal, and "declares it an attempt by the government to mask its corruption", he added.

Rehman said Prime Minister Imran Khan himself used to say that doling out development funds among lawmakers was tantamount to "bribing", but had now announced similar funds for MNAs. Noting that the Supreme Court had taken notice of the issue, he said the premier should be "stopped" from giving out such funds.

He announced that the PDM will also join and support government employees coming to Islamabad to protest on February 10.

Demanding an immediate decision in the PTI foreign funding case, Rehman said the prime minister's call for an open trial in the case was a "drama" because 18 of the party's bank accounts identified by the State Bank were being kept secret.

"The opposition will continue its protest against the behaviour of the speaker and the chairman in the National Assembly and Senate and we will not cooperate with them in running proceedings of the house at any cost," the PDM president added.

He said Transparency International, whose analysis Prime Minister Imran used to laud in the past, had today "declared him a certified thief".

On Sunday, Bilawal had called upon the joint opposition to "force the removal of puppets", after the January 31 deadline set by the PDM for Prime Minister Imran to quit passed without any signs of the government retreating.

After a meeting of the leadership of its member parties, the PDM in December had given a deadline to the government to step down by Jan 31, with the warning that a march on Islamabad would otherwise result in its ouster.

“In case the government does not step down, the date of the long march will be announced on Feb 1. We ask the people of Pakistan to start preparations for the long march from today,” PDM chief Rehman had told a presser after presiding over the meeting. The government had swiftly rejected the deadline.

The PDM constituent parties have also collected the resignations of their lawmakers in the national and provincial assemblies, but have decided against submitting them for now.
 
Are these losers still going. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] why do you support such idiotic losers?
 
Maj Gen Babar Iftikhar, the director-general of Pakistan Army's media wing, on Monday rejected rumours that the armed forces and opposition alliance, Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM), were in contact through "backdoor channels" and said that the army should not be dragged into politics.

"The people who are making speculations, I requested them previously as well [and] I will tell them again: do not drag army into politics," he said while talking to Samaa TV.

The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) DG said that the armed forces already have their "hands full" with the "huge responsibility of looking at security, internal and external threats". It does not suit anybody, Maj Gen Iftikhar said, to comment about this without any evidence.

He said that such speculations should be "shut down", adding that if someone has evidence to support claims of backdoor contacts, they should bring it forward.

"I would again request please don't drag the institution into this dialogue," he reiterated.

Covid vaccines

The ISPR chief also spoke about a donation of vaccine doses to the Pakistan Army by China's People's Liberation Army (PLA). He said that the military leadership has decided that the vaccine, which was meant to be administered to army personnel, will be donated to the ongoing national vaccination drive "so that Pakistan's frontline workers can be given this vaccine". In the first phase of the vaccination drive, the vaccine is being provided to frontline health workers.

Maj Gen Iftikhar termed frontline health workers as the "real heroes" of the nation whose "tireless efforts and sacrifices helped the nation in fighting this" pandemic.

He also thanked the PLA for its "magnanimous gesture".

UN report

The official also spoke about a recent United Nations report by a monitoring team responsible for tracking terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda and ISIS, which acknowledged the ongoing efforts of the Pakistan government against elements involved in terrorist activities.

According to the report, the threat from the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) had resulted in over "100 cross-border attacks within three months last year".

The Foreign Office had termed the report a "vindication" of Pakistan's stance. Pakistan handed over a dossier last year to UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres on the Indian sponsorship of TTP and Jamaatul Ahrar. Both terrorist groups have been designated by the 1267 Sanctions Committee of the Security Council.

"We had already presented evidence a long time ago about the regrouping of these terrorist organisations, who is supporting them, how they are collaborating, and how they are harmful for the entire region," Maj Gen Babar Iftikhar told Samaa TV.

"In my opinion, India has been exposed to a considerable extent. We have talked about this, I have informed [the nation] through my pressers. I was also in the presser with the foreign minister at the Foreign Office [where] a dossier was presented in front of the whole world.

"It is a good thing, the massive acknowledgement of what we have been trying to say and hopefully the world is going to take notice of this."

Sadpara a 'national hero'

The ISPR chief hailed Mohammad Ali Sadpara, a mountaineer who has been missing for the past three days along with two others, as a "national hero" and assured that the Pakistan Army will continue its search and rescue operation in order to find him and his companions.

"For the last two days as well, army helicopters have been flying there at their maximum ceiling and due to the worsening conditions, could not go beyond a certain level. Today too, the search and rescue mission has been sent for the third day," he shared.

He acknowledged that it was a "very challenging mission" which was made more difficult by weather conditions.

After reports that Sadpara, along with John Snorri from Iceland and JP Mohr Prieto from Chile, successfully summited K2, news emerged that the three had gone missing. The three lost contact with the base camp late on Friday and were reported missing on Saturday after their support team stopped receiving reports from them during their ascent of the 8,611m-high K2.

Search and rescue operations have been underway since then, but with no luck so far.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Son in law of <a href="https://twitter.com/NawazSharifMNS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NawazSharifMNS</a> and husband of <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MaryamNSharif</a> is leading by election campaign in noshera and asking people to follow mumtaz qadri. PPP is also supporting the same candidate. What is the stance of <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBhuttoZardari</a>? PPP disowned salman taseer. <a href="https://t.co/PZtTOoFQij">pic.twitter.com/PZtTOoFQij</a></p>— Rao Jee (@raoo512) <a href="https://twitter.com/raoo512/status/1358779050085527553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Does Bilawal agree with Maryam's husband? :13:
 
From what I have been reading they won’t even be the united opposition at this rate :))
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Son in law of <a href="https://twitter.com/NawazSharifMNS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NawazSharifMNS</a> and husband of <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MaryamNSharif</a> is leading by election campaign in noshera and asking people to follow mumtaz qadri. PPP is also supporting the same candidate. What is the stance of <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBhuttoZardari</a>? PPP disowned salman taseer. <a href="https://t.co/PZtTOoFQij">pic.twitter.com/PZtTOoFQij</a></p>— Rao Jee (@raoo512) <a href="https://twitter.com/raoo512/status/1358779050085527553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Does Bilawal agree with Maryam's husband? :13:
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The crooks agree over over everything as long as it brings an NRO
 
https://www.dawn.com/news/1612287/bilawal-rubbishes-rumours-of-pml-n-voting-against-pdm-in-senate-chief-deputy-polls

PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari on Saturday rubbished rumours that PML-N senators did not vote for opposition's candidate in yesterday's election for the slots of Senate chairperson and deputy chairperson.

When asked that there were reports of PML-N senators having abstained from voting for Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) nominees for the top Senate slots, Bilawal said: "Everyone showed loyalty."

"I know, we all know, that we won [Senate seats] because of PDM's unity," he said, adding that the recent Upper House polls have "washed the stain of the past Senate elections".

The opposition, despite holding a majority in the Upper House, suffered a setback yesterday, when its candidate Yousuf Raza Gilani lost to Sadiq Sanjrani by seven votes after it was announced that eight votes had been rejected. Seven of these votes were purportedly in Gilani's favour but presiding officer Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah said that they were rejected for being stamped incorrectly.

As per official results announced by the presiding officer, Gilani received 42 valid votes, while Sanjrani won the election after bagging 48 votes. In total, 98 senators voted in the election.

The opposition also lost the deputy chairperson election, with PTI-backed Senator Mirza Moha*m*mad Afridi bagging 54 votes against opposition's Abdul Ghafoor Haideri, who received 44 votes.

The opposition alliance – Pakistan Democratic Movement – had fielded former premier Gilani as its candidate for the coveted chairman position, while the government had nominated Sanjrani for a second term.

Gilani had defeated government's candidate Hafeez Shaikh on the Islamabad Senate general seat earlier this month and was a strong contender for the position of the chairperson, given the opposition's numbers.

After the Senate chairman poll concluded, the opposition termed the exercise a "joke with democracy" and announced that it would challenge the results in a court of law today. Separately, PPP Senator Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar said that the party could either challenge the result in court or bring a no-confidence motion against Sanjrani.

Separately, PPP leader Saeed Ghani said in a press conference that he, along with Farooq H. Naek and Ali Qasim Gilani, had asked the Senate secretary about the correct way of stamping the ballot papers.

"We asked him that often it happens [that] voter puts stamps on the name of the candidate — these were the exact words — so is that vote valid or invalid?" Ghani told reporters.

"The secretary said that the vote [would be] completely valid because it is inside the box."

The Sindh MPA said that during polling, a voter had come to PPP Senator Sherry Rehman with the same query and she too had confirmed from the secretary that the vote would be counted.

"When they did all this drama and [the presiding officer] was rejecting votes, Sherry Rehman again went to the secretary [...] and said to him that you told me that these votes are correct in which the name has been stamped. The secretary then says very innocently that the presiding officer has overruled me."

Ghani further alleged that the secretary was behind the installation of the "spy cameras" in the Senate hall. Yesterday, Khokhar and PML-N Senator Mussadiq Malik had posted pictures of cameras allegedly installed in the polling booths set up for the Senate polls and called for an investigation into the matter.

Sindh Chief Minister Murad Ali Shah said that the presiding officer had read a script given to him during the polls for the Senate chairman and deputy.

Speaking to the media, he said that whatever happened during the election was an "organised" move, adding that he was disappointed to see it all happening.

He stated that cameras were installed in the polling booth, and wondered what more could one say when such tactics were being used.

"The presiding officer said that seven votes for Gilani were rejected for not being stamped properly when he and the Senate chairman stated that the ballot should be marked inside the box," he said, adding that it was a disappointing day for democracy and Pakistan.

Shah also said that he expected the winning candidate to "realise his loss" in the election but that did not happen. He said that he had never witnessed votes being rejected in this fashion so far in his parliamentary career.

While announcing the results, presiding officer Shah said seven votes cast purportedly in favour of Gilani were rejected because the stamp on these ballot papers was affixed on Gilani's name instead of "against his name".

Gilani's polling agent Naek contested the presiding officer's ruling, arguing that the instructions only stated that the stamp had to be placed inside the box of the preferred candidate, and did not specify on "which area of the box" the stamp had to be affixed.

On the other hand, PTI's Mohsin Aziz, the polling agent for Sanjrani, while reading out from a paper said the instructions clearly stated that the vote had to be stamped in the box in front of the preferred candidate's name, and not on top of the candidate's name.

Presiding officer Shah then stated that in his view, the instructions stated that the stamp had to be placed in front of the candidate's name. He subsequently rejected the seven votes in question and declared Sanjrani the winner.
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Federal Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry on Sunday said that PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif "wants to be like exiled MQM founder Altaf Hussain."

"Nawaz should, however, remember the ultimate fate of the MQM leader," Chaudhry said.

The minister was addressing a press conference in Islamabad alongside the Federal Minister of Information and Broadcasting, Shibli Faraz.

Chaudhry further said that Nawaz Sharif and the founder of MQM are the "gift of the 1985 elections".

"They are not political people, because defeat in politics is something common. Losing, however, does not give anyone the licence to speak against the state," Chaudhry said. "MQM's founder and Nawaz Sharif cannot return to Pakistan from London, while Maryam Nawaz cannot leave Pakistan as we will not let that happen. I commend the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) for getting Maryam's bail plea rejected [by the court]."

Fawad Chaudhry said that PTI Central Punjab has announced a protest against the remarks made by PML-N's MNA Javed Latif, who had earlier said that if anything happens to Maryam Nawaz, "PML-N will not say Pakistan Khappay."

He also said that Javed Latif is "just a pawn", as such ideas are espoused by PML-N Supremo Nawaz Sharif. The minister further said that the PTI is a "federal party with a big heart," because of which it is ready to speak with the Opposition in terms of parliamentary reforms and move forward.

"There is, however, no room for negotiation when it comes to the [corruption] cases filed against PML-N and PPP," Fawad Chaudhry maintained.

"We do not wish to throw PML-N and PPP leaders in jails. If these leaders agree to a plea bargain with the government, then they can go and live in London or Switzerland for all we care. Just leave us alone," Chaudhry said.

On the other hand, Senator Shibli Faraz said that the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) had fallen apart, adding that the election of the Senate chairman served as the "last nail in their coffin for the Opposition."

The minister asserted that the "PML-N backstabbed the PPP", whereas the "PPP betrayed JUI-F" — something which was "reflected in the results" of the Senate chairman election.

Faraz added that the PDM had "thought that the win of one seat in the federal capital had revived them, but it turned out to be an isolated event."

"The PPP had a different approach, while Maulana Fazlur Rehman wanted resignations and PML-N found differences internally on its future course of action," Faraz said.

Answering a question, he said that though he is not much hopeful, the PDM should review its planned long march in the country’s interest and in view of the risks involved in the backdrop of the third wave of the coronavirus.

"Whatever identity of the PDM is left will be erased if they go for their planned programme [of the long march]," Shibli Faraz said.
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ISLAMABAD/LAHORE: Divided over the issue of submitting resignations from the assemblies at a time when their already-announced long march is just two weeks away, the heads of the component parties of the opposition alliance Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) will hold a crucial session in Islamabad on Tuesday (tomorrow).

Sources in the opposition parties told Dawn that the hardliners in the alliance, including the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (JUI-F) and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), had decided that in the meeting they would again insist on their proposal of submitting en masse resignations from the assemblies. On the other hand, the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), the other major component of the PDM, after a series of in-house consultations and brainstorming sessions, has decided to oppose the idea at any cost.

Interestingly, both the sides are citing the outcome of the recent Senate elections in support of their arguments. The JUI-F believes that after losing the elections of Senate chairman and deputy chairman despite having a majority, it has become imminent for the opposition parties to come out of the assemblies. Moreover, sources said, the JUI-F leadership was of the view that the Senate polls had also proved that their move to bring a no-confidence motion against the National Assembly speaker or the prime minister would be a futile exercise.

On the other hand, the PPP believes that the opposition has gained much ground and political space after the recent by-elections in the country, noting that the victory of Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani in Senate elections caused a major dent in the ruling alliance. The PPP leaders believe that the by-polls and the Senate elections have strengthened the party position therefore the opposition should give a tough time to the government while staying in the assemblies, instead of leaving the field open for the government.

During a dinner hosted by PPP chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari for the party senators at Zardari House on Saturday, the sources said, a majority of the party members while expressing their views had also suggested that they should not resign from the assemblies.

When contacted, PPP secretary general Farhatullah Babar said he had not seen any statement of JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman that the resignations had become imminent. He, however, said the PPP believed that after the Senate election, “the possibility of resignation from the parliament has further receded”.

Mr Babar said the final decision would be made from the platform of the PDM and that his party would plead its case before the opposition leadership in the coming meeting.

On the other hand, a senior PML-N leader privy to the developments told Dawn that his party would insist on tendering resignations from the assemblies in the all-important meeting of the PDM on Tuesday.

He said PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif, who is in London for the last over a year for his medical treatment, had contacted former president Asif Ali Zardari by telephone and told him that long march could not achieve its results until and unless the lawmakers of the PDM components resigned en masse.

According to the PML-N leader, Mr Zardari instead suggested going for a no-confidence motion against National Assembly Speaker Asad Qaiser at the time when long march participants would be staging a sit-in outside the parliament. The PPP leader was quoted as claiming that the opposition had the required strength to give a shock to the government through secret voting on the no-confidence motion.

But, Mr Sharif did not agree with the suggestion and in his talk at the March 16 PDM meeting would stress on en masse resignations of the opposition lawmakers, the PML-N leader claimed.

The sources said the JUI-F and the PML-N might suggest to the PPP that they could consider resigning only from the National Assembly if the PPP was not willing to sacrifice its provincial government in Sindh.

The PDM meeting was earlier scheduled for Monday (today) but it was postponed for a day when alliance president Maulana Fazlur Rehman contacted PDM general secretary Shahid Khaqan Abbasi on Saturday and asked him to put off the sitting for a day. Soon after the postponement of the meeting, Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari also left Islamabad for Karachi.

Sources in the PPP said Mr Bhutto-Zardari had some engagements in Hyderabad on Monday and he would be back to Islamabad on Tuesday before the PDM meeting.

The session has a heavy agenda, including the opposition’s defeat in the Senate chairman election due to ‘wrong’ stamping of their ballots by seven PDM senators and thus rejection of their votes leading to the victory of government nominee Sadiq Sanjrani on March 12.

The sources said Maulana Fazl was upset over the defeat of his party’s nominated candidate Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri in the deputy chairman elections with a larger margin than Mr Gilani’s defeat at the hands of Mr Sanjrani.

Mr Sanjrani had bagged 48 votes against Mr Gilani’s 42 whereas Mr Haideri had been defeated by the government-backed Mirza Mohammad Afridi with a margin of 10 votes. Mr Afridi had secured 54 votes against Mr Haideri’s 44, clearly indicating that at least seven opposition senators had not voted for him.

The sources said the Maulana wanted the PPP and the PML-N to find out as to who had ditched the opposition alliance in the elections.

The sources said the Maulana and Mr Sharif had already taken up the matter with Mr Zardari, who had assured them of action if the PPP senators were found involved in deliberately ‘wasting’ their votes or giving their votes to the government-backed candidate.

The sources said the PDM leaders in their meeting would also look into the possibility of disclosing the names of the people in the establishment who had allegedly interfered in the Senate elections as well as during the vote of trust obtained by Prime Minister Imran Khan from the National Assembly on March 6.

The JUI-F and the PML-N leaders in their news conferences had warned the “state institutions” against interference in the elections and threatened that they would be forced to make the names of those officials public who would contact the lawmakers.

Speaking at a news conference in Islamabad, PML-N senior vice-president Shahid Khaqan Abbasi had claimed that they had the telephone numbers and the call data saved with them which could be produced as an evidence.

The PDM leadership, the sources said, had already decided to get the phone call data of the opposition senators who received calls from anonymous numbers threatening them to vote for Mr Sanjrani or face consequences.

Besides, the PDM leaders in the meeting would discuss strategies for the long march which the opposition plans to take out on March 26 and other measures for putting pressure on the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government to quit power corridors.

The PDM leaders are yet to discuss the final destination of the long march as Nawaz Sharif had proposed them to hold a sit-in in Rawalpindi, instead of Islamabad. The PPP has suggested Faizabad as the venue for the sit-in. Moreover, the PDM leaders are also yet to decide about the duration of the sit-in and its short-term objectives.

Published in Dawn, March 15th, 2021
 
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ISLAMABAD/LAHORE: Divided over the issue of submitting resignations from the assemblies at a time when their already-announced long march is just two weeks away, the heads of the component parties of the opposition alliance Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) will hold a crucial session in Islamabad on Tuesday (tomorrow).

Sources in the opposition parties told Dawn that the hardliners in the alliance, including the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (JUI-F) and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), had decided that in the meeting they would again insist on their proposal of submitting en masse resignations from the assemblies. On the other hand, the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), the other major component of the PDM, after a series of in-house consultations and brainstorming sessions, has decided to oppose the idea at any cost.

Interestingly, both the sides are citing the outcome of the recent Senate elections in support of their arguments. The JUI-F believes that after losing the elections of Senate chairman and deputy chairman despite having a majority, it has become imminent for the opposition parties to come out of the assemblies. Moreover, sources said, the JUI-F leadership was of the view that the Senate polls had also proved that their move to bring a no-confidence motion against the National Assembly speaker or the prime minister would be a futile exercise.

On the other hand, the PPP believes that the opposition has gained much ground and political space after the recent by-elections in the country, noting that the victory of Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani in Senate elections caused a major dent in the ruling alliance. The PPP leaders believe that the by-polls and the Senate elections have strengthened the party position therefore the opposition should give a tough time to the government while staying in the assemblies, instead of leaving the field open for the government.

During a dinner hosted by PPP chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari for the party senators at Zardari House on Saturday, the sources said, a majority of the party members while expressing their views had also suggested that they should not resign from the assemblies.

When contacted, PPP secretary general Farhatullah Babar said he had not seen any statement of JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman that the resignations had become imminent. He, however, said the PPP believed that after the Senate election, “the possibility of resignation from the parliament has further receded”.

Mr Babar said the final decision would be made from the platform of the PDM and that his party would plead its case before the opposition leadership in the coming meeting.

On the other hand, a senior PML-N leader privy to the developments told Dawn that his party would insist on tendering resignations from the assemblies in the all-important meeting of the PDM on Tuesday.

He said PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif, who is in London for the last over a year for his medical treatment, had contacted former president Asif Ali Zardari by telephone and told him that long march could not achieve its results until and unless the lawmakers of the PDM components resigned en masse.

According to the PML-N leader, Mr Zardari instead suggested going for a no-confidence motion against National Assembly Speaker Asad Qaiser at the time when long march participants would be staging a sit-in outside the parliament. The PPP leader was quoted as claiming that the opposition had the required strength to give a shock to the government through secret voting on the no-confidence motion.

But, Mr Sharif did not agree with the suggestion and in his talk at the March 16 PDM meeting would stress on en masse resignations of the opposition lawmakers, the PML-N leader claimed.

The sources said the JUI-F and the PML-N might suggest to the PPP that they could consider resigning only from the National Assembly if the PPP was not willing to sacrifice its provincial government in Sindh.

The PDM meeting was earlier scheduled for Monday (today) but it was postponed for a day when alliance president Maulana Fazlur Rehman contacted PDM general secretary Shahid Khaqan Abbasi on Saturday and asked him to put off the sitting for a day. Soon after the postponement of the meeting, Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari also left Islamabad for Karachi.

Sources in the PPP said Mr Bhutto-Zardari had some engagements in Hyderabad on Monday and he would be back to Islamabad on Tuesday before the PDM meeting.

The session has a heavy agenda, including the opposition’s defeat in the Senate chairman election due to ‘wrong’ stamping of their ballots by seven PDM senators and thus rejection of their votes leading to the victory of government nominee Sadiq Sanjrani on March 12.

The sources said Maulana Fazl was upset over the defeat of his party’s nominated candidate Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri in the deputy chairman elections with a larger margin than Mr Gilani’s defeat at the hands of Mr Sanjrani.

Mr Sanjrani had bagged 48 votes against Mr Gilani’s 42 whereas Mr Haideri had been defeated by the government-backed Mirza Mohammad Afridi with a margin of 10 votes. Mr Afridi had secured 54 votes against Mr Haideri’s 44, clearly indicating that at least seven opposition senators had not voted for him.

The sources said the Maulana wanted the PPP and the PML-N to find out as to who had ditched the opposition alliance in the elections.

The sources said the Maulana and Mr Sharif had already taken up the matter with Mr Zardari, who had assured them of action if the PPP senators were found involved in deliberately ‘wasting’ their votes or giving their votes to the government-backed candidate.

The sources said the PDM leaders in their meeting would also look into the possibility of disclosing the names of the people in the establishment who had allegedly interfered in the Senate elections as well as during the vote of trust obtained by Prime Minister Imran Khan from the National Assembly on March 6.

The JUI-F and the PML-N leaders in their news conferences had warned the “state institutions” against interference in the elections and threatened that they would be forced to make the names of those officials public who would contact the lawmakers.

Speaking at a news conference in Islamabad, PML-N senior vice-president Shahid Khaqan Abbasi had claimed that they had the telephone numbers and the call data saved with them which could be produced as an evidence.

The PDM leadership, the sources said, had already decided to get the phone call data of the opposition senators who received calls from anonymous numbers threatening them to vote for Mr Sanjrani or face consequences.

Besides, the PDM leaders in the meeting would discuss strategies for the long march which the opposition plans to take out on March 26 and other measures for putting pressure on the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government to quit power corridors.

The PDM leaders are yet to discuss the final destination of the long march as Nawaz Sharif had proposed them to hold a sit-in in Rawalpindi, instead of Islamabad. The PPP has suggested Faizabad as the venue for the sit-in. Moreover, the PDM leaders are also yet to decide about the duration of the sit-in and its short-term objectives.

Published in Dawn, March 15th, 2021
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Whats the wait you losers, resign. It will be accepted and then we can move on. But we know the PPP Mafai arent stupid, if they resign, they cant rob the poor of Sindh to bribe and threaten people.
 
The Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) has postponed its long march planned for later this month, PDM president Maulana Fazlur Rehman announced, amid differences within the opposition alliance on the issue of resigning from the assemblies.

Addressing a press conference after an hours-long meeting of the PDM in Islamabad, Rehman said nine PDM parties had agreed on the proposal to submit resignations along with the long march. However, the PPP had "reservations" over linking the resignations with the march and had sought time to hold consultations within its Central Executive Committee (CEC) before informing the PDM of its decision.

"We have given them the chance and we will await their decision. Until then, the March 26 long march will be considered postponed," Rehman said.

Rehman left the press conference abruptly following the announcement, and did not stop when PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz called him out to take questions.

Answering a question, Maryam said PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari during the meeting had asked PML-N supremo and her father Nawaz Sharif to return to Pakistan so that the opposition "could struggle together".

PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif and other opposition members attend the PDM meeting. — DawnNewsTV
"In response, I told him with respect that bringing Mian Sahib back will be tantamount to handing his life over to murderers," Maryam said, adding that neither PML-N leaders nor the party's vote bank wanted to endanger his life.

"We want leaders to be alive, we don't want their bodies or their murder."

She said Nawaz had served the "longest" time in jail and returned to the country in 2018 to serve his prison sentence after leaving his wife on the death bed despite knowing it was a "concocted case". The government "panicked" and allowed him to go abroad when his life came under risk, Maryam claimed, adding that the former premier had not yet "recovered fully".

"The PML-N, its vote base and I being [his] daughter think no one has the right to call him back," said Maryam, who was flanked by PPP leader Yousuf Raza Gilani.

Earlier, sources and media reports said Zardari during the meeting asked Nawaz to return to Pakistan before the joint opposition could go with the nuclear option of resigning from the assemblies in order to mount pressure on the PTI-led government.

The crucial session of the PDM was held amid divisions within the alliance over the issue of submitting resignations from the assemblies at a time when its planned long march was just two weeks away.

Zardari, who like Nawaz addressed the meeting virtually, reportedly told the PML-N chief: "Mian sahab, we will hand over the resignations to you when you return home."

Nawaz has been living in London since November 2019 after he was allowed to leave the country for medical treatment.

Zardari further said if Nawaz wanted the opposition parties to resign en masse, "then not only us, but everyone will have to go to jail".

Talking about this month's hotly contested Senate elections, Zardari said the opposition parties had challenged the government in the polls but regretted that PML-N Senator-elect Ishaq Dar, who is living in the UK in self-exile, had not participated in the voting, according to reports.

"Nawaz Sharif sahib, return to the country along with Ishaq Dar; we will fight together," the PPP leader was quoted as saying during the meeting.

When asked to comment on Zardari's remarks, PML-N spokesperson Marriyum Aurangzeb, without confirming or denying the reports, said they had been "leaked".

Nawaz's spokesperson Mohammad Zubair, meanwhile, told DawnNewsTV that Zardari's reported remarks had already been the PPP's party position, and the party had expressed similar views at a meeting of its CEC in Karachi in December.

Commenting on the reported disagreement among the opposition parties, federal minister Asad Umar tweeted: "Opposition's internal differences have come out in the open."

Sources in the opposition parties earlier told Dawn that the JUI-F and the PML-N had decided to insist on their proposal of submitting en-masse resignations from the assemblies during the meeting. On the other hand, the PPP after a series of in-house consultations and brainstorming sessions decided to oppose the idea at any cost.

The JUI-F believes that after losing the elections of Senate chairman and deputy chairman despite having a majority, it has become imminent for the opposition parties to come out of the assemblies. Moreover, sources said, the JUI-F leadership was of the view that the Senate polls had also proved that their move to bring a no-confidence motion against the National Assembly speaker or the prime minister would be a futile exercise.

The PPP, meanwhile, believes that the opposition has gained much ground and political space after the recent by-elections in the country, noting that the victory of Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani in the Senate elections caused a major dent in the ruling alliance. The PPP leaders believe that the by-polls and the Senate elections have strengthened the party position, therefore, the opposition should give a tough time to the government while staying in the assemblies instead of leaving the field open for the government.
 
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The Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) has postponed its long march planned for later this month, PDM president Maulana Fazlur Rehman announced, amid differences within the opposition alliance on the issue of resigning from the assemblies.

Addressing a press conference after an hours-long meeting of the PDM in Islamabad, Rehman said nine PDM parties had agreed on the proposal to submit resignations along with the long march. However, the PPP had "reservations" over linking the resignations with the march and had sought time to hold consultations within its Central Executive Committee (CEC) before informing the PDM of its decision.

"We have given them the chance and we will await their decision. Until then, the March 26 long march will be considered postponed," Rehman said.

Rehman left the press conference abruptly following the announcement, and did not stop when PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz called him out to take questions.

Answering a question, Maryam said PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari during the meeting had asked PML-N supremo and her father Nawaz Sharif to return to Pakistan so that the opposition "could struggle together".

PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif and other opposition members attend the PDM meeting. — DawnNewsTV
"In response, I told him with respect that bringing Mian Sahib back will be tantamount to handing his life over to murderers," Maryam said, adding that neither PML-N leaders nor the party's vote bank wanted to endanger his life.

"We want leaders to be alive, we don't want their bodies or their murder."

She said Nawaz had served the "longest" time in jail and returned to the country in 2018 to serve his prison sentence after leaving his wife on the death bed despite knowing it was a "concocted case". The government "panicked" and allowed him to go abroad when his life came under risk, Maryam claimed, adding that the former premier had not yet "recovered fully".

"The PML-N, its vote base and I being [his] daughter think no one has the right to call him back," said Maryam, who was flanked by PPP leader Yousuf Raza Gilani.

Earlier, sources and media reports said Zardari during the meeting asked Nawaz to return to Pakistan before the joint opposition could go with the nuclear option of resigning from the assemblies in order to mount pressure on the PTI-led government.

The crucial session of the PDM was held amid divisions within the alliance over the issue of submitting resignations from the assemblies at a time when its planned long march was just two weeks away.

Zardari, who like Nawaz addressed the meeting virtually, reportedly told the PML-N chief: "Mian sahab, we will hand over the resignations to you when you return home."

Nawaz has been living in London since November 2019 after he was allowed to leave the country for medical treatment.

Zardari further said if Nawaz wanted the opposition parties to resign en masse, "then not only us, but everyone will have to go to jail".

Talking about this month's hotly contested Senate elections, Zardari said the opposition parties had challenged the government in the polls but regretted that PML-N Senator-elect Ishaq Dar, who is living in the UK in self-exile, had not participated in the voting, according to reports.

"Nawaz Sharif sahib, return to the country along with Ishaq Dar; we will fight together," the PPP leader was quoted as saying during the meeting.

When asked to comment on Zardari's remarks, PML-N spokesperson Marriyum Aurangzeb, without confirming or denying the reports, said they had been "leaked".

Nawaz's spokesperson Mohammad Zubair, meanwhile, told DawnNewsTV that Zardari's reported remarks had already been the PPP's party position, and the party had expressed similar views at a meeting of its CEC in Karachi in December.

Commenting on the reported disagreement among the opposition parties, federal minister Asad Umar tweeted: "Opposition's internal differences have come out in the open."

Sources in the opposition parties earlier told Dawn that the JUI-F and the PML-N had decided to insist on their proposal of submitting en-masse resignations from the assemblies during the meeting. On the other hand, the PPP after a series of in-house consultations and brainstorming sessions decided to oppose the idea at any cost.

The JUI-F believes that after losing the elections of Senate chairman and deputy chairman despite having a majority, it has become imminent for the opposition parties to come out of the assemblies. Moreover, sources said, the JUI-F leadership was of the view that the Senate polls had also proved that their move to bring a no-confidence motion against the National Assembly speaker or the prime minister would be a futile exercise.

The PPP, meanwhile, believes that the opposition has gained much ground and political space after the recent by-elections in the country, noting that the victory of Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani in the Senate elections caused a major dent in the ruling alliance. The PPP leaders believe that the by-polls and the Senate elections have strengthened the party position, therefore, the opposition should give a tough time to the government while staying in the assemblies instead of leaving the field open for the government.
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The Dacoits are fighting each other like rabid dogs. Nooras accused AZ and PPP of leaking the news of the discussions of their meetings.
 
ISLAMABAD: Explaining its stance after being singled out on the issue of en masse resignations from the assemblies, the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) on Wednesday rejected the perception that the party had reached some kind of understanding with the establishment and claimed that other parties in the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) failed to provide a clear roadmap and the post-resignation strategy.

Talking to Dawn, PPP secretary general Nayyar Bokhari alleged that the nine parties which had linked the en masse resignations with the long march were repeatedly asked about the strategy which they would adopt after submitting resignations from the assemblies, but “they failed to give replies to our questions”.

Mr Bokhari ridiculed the reports that the PPP was running away from the resignations as it had struck a deal with the establishment and said had the party reached any understanding with the establishment, Yousuf Raza Gilani would not have faced such a defeat in the election for Senate chairman office.

“The PDM parties failed to satisfy us on the situation after submission of resignations,” he said. It was wrong to blame the PPP for everything as the party was still committed to follow the PDM declaration and the action plan issued after their multi-party conference (MPC) in September last year, he said.

The PPP secretary general said in the action plan, the use of resignations had been mentioned as a last resort after utilising all other options, including vote of no-confidence and long march. He said the PPP was determined to implement the PDM’s agenda which included removal of the government.

Another senior PPP leader while talking to Dawn on condition of anonymity said the party was shocked to see violation of the declaration and the PDM’s action plan by the other parties by linking en masse resignations with the long march.

On the other hand, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) secretary general Ahsan Iqbal denied that they had not provided any post-resignation roadmap, saying they had thoroughly talked about it in the PDM meeting and even the worst-case scenarios were discussed.

Mr Iqbal regretted that the PPP did not honour the opinion of the nine parties having long political and parliamentary experience. He said it was a collective view of the nine parties that the government would collapse after opposition lawmakers submitted their resignations as it would not be possible for it to go for by-elections in more than 450 constituencies.

Moreover, he said, the PPP was told in the meeting that they could consider submitting resignations only from the National Assembly in the first phase, if the party did not want to sacrifice its provincial government in Sindh. Again, Mr Iqbal said, it would not be possible for the government to have by-polls on 161 seats and half-empty opposition-less house would have no legitimacy and it would “create a question of legitimacy of the system.”

“You can hold by-elections on 20 or 30 seats, but not on 161 seats,” he opined. He said the nine parties believed that the whole system would collapse after the opposition’s en masse resignations.

Explaining the worst case scenario, he said first of all the speaker would not be able to hold their resignations for an indefinite or a longer period. He said the situation would become more difficult for the speaker and the government if the opposition members started besieging him daily asking him to accept their resignations and there would be a “drama in the country.”

When his attention was drawn to the fact that during the previous PML-N government, the then speaker Ayaz Sadiq had held the resignations of the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf members for almost a year, he said that was just one party, adding that when the entire opposition would come out of the assembly, then the whole system would become questionable.

Secondly, the PML-N leader said, even if the government decided to hold by-elections on the vacant seats and also in phases and according to its own choice of timing and place, then the PDM could again contest the elections jointly as they did in the recent by-elections, but only to resign again from the seats which, according to him, would create a “perpetual crisis”.

“At one point of time, you have to take risk. In politics, two plus two is not always four,” Mr Iqbal said.

Meanwhile, speaking at a ceremony in Peshawar, PDM president and Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman expressed annoyance over the PPP’s attitude, saying it should have respected the opinion and viewpoint of the nine parties. He expressed the hope that the PPP in its Central Executive Committee (CEC) meeting would give consideration and respect to the collective opinion of the nine parties, saying they wanted to keep the PPP within the PDM ranks.

The Maulana, who had left the press briefing on Tuesday after presiding over the PDM meeting apparently to show his displeasure over their failure to reach a consensus, also indirectly criticised the PPP for “leaking the proceedings of the meeting” to the media.

“Discussions in such meetings are always kept secret as a trust. Leaking the proceedings amounts to the breach of trust,” said the Maulana in an apparent reference to the media coverage of the PDM meeting containing almost full speech of former president Asif Zardari.

On the other hand, PPP’s Nayyar Bokhari said the Maulana’s criticism was justified, but the meeting was not held on the PPP’s premises and it was hosted by the PML-N. The arrangement of video link was made by the PML-N.

Earlier, speaking at a news conference, PPP leader Raja Pervaiz Ashraf said the party believed in democracy and had defeated every despotic government with its democratic actions. He said it was the PPP which convinced all political parties in the PDM to take part in the by-elections and the PDM won in the four provinces.

He said all decisions taken by the PDM on the advice of the PPP proved correct and mature. He said resignations were not first or second option but the last option to send the government packing. He said the PPP wanted to bring a no-confidence motion in the Punjab assembly.

Mr Ashraf said they had made preparations for the long march but when the resignations were bracketed with the long march, the PPP asked for time to consult its CEC.

Published in Dawn, March 18th, 2021
 
KARACHI: The JUI-F, an important party in the Opposition alliance, has expressed its unhappiness over remarks made by former president Asif Ali Zardari during the Pakistan Democratic Movement’s (PDM) recent meeting.

Speaking to Geo News on Wednesday, senior JUI-F leader Ghafoor Haideri criticised the PPP supremo’s stance on the PDM resignation issue, terming it “unhelpful". He said Zardari's stance is "undermining” the alliance.

Haideri said all along, they kept the PPP with them and tolerated the differences also, but they did not want PPP to move away from PDM.

Read more: 'Disagreements within PDM are common, but alliance still stands united:' Fazl

"We are awaiting the PPP’s decision on resignations," he said.

The cracks in the PDM went public after differences emerged on the resignation issue and a verbal duel occurred between PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz and Asif Zardari over Nawaz Sharif’s London stay.

Haideri, who was also PDM’s candidate for the Senate deputy chairman seat, said the speech of the PPP co-chairperson was disconcerting and disturbing. It aimed at undermining the Opposition alliance, which was a setback for all of us, he said.

After hearing Zardari on Tuesday, it appeared as if now only the formal bidding adieu remains. However, he said they will try their best till the end to keep the opposition alliance intact.

“He is a senior politician and we cannot react to that.” JUI-F president Maulana Fazlur Rehman advised the PPP to hold its internal meeting over the contentious issue.

The time has come to drop the atomic bomb, that was referred to as such by the PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto, Haideri said.

Read more: Zardari apologises to Maryam over remarks about Nawaz in PDM meeting

The JUI-F leader said all meetings of the PDM discussed the resignation issue.

The JUI-F had independently held the Million March and the Azadi March before. “The time of attacking the government with the resignations is most opportune to rattle it,” the JUI-F leader claimed.

“We agreed to the PPP’s position on by-polls and the Senate election,” he said.

“I should have received the seven rejected votes of Senator Gilani, but they were cast in favour of Mirza Afridi.” He demanded whether those votes belonged to the PML-N or the PPP should be investigated.

PPP says it was a reaction
Meanwhile, the PPP has also clarified that the comments were a reaction to what was said earlier during the moot.

PPP leader Qamar Zaman Kaira, who also appeared in the Geo News programme, said that some remarks should not have been passed in the PDM’s Tuesday meeting.

When asked particularly by senior anchorperson Hamid Mir about remarks passed by Zardari, Kaira said that a lot of discussion was necessary but it was better if some remarks were not passed.

Kaira said whatever happened in the PDM meeting at best should not have happened. But to hold the PPP co-chairman entirely responsible for that would not show the complete picture.

“The tone and tenor used in the meeting should have been best avoided. Nawaz Sharif said something which he should not have. We (PPP) also reacted to that,” Kaira said

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Explaining its stance after being singled out on the issue of en masse resignations from the assemblies, the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) on Wednesday rejected the perception that the party had reached some kind of understanding with the establishment and claimed that other parties in the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) failed to provide a clear roadmap and the post-resignation strategy.

Talking to Dawn, PPP secretary general Nayyar Bokhari alleged that the nine parties which had linked the en masse resignations with the long march were repeatedly asked about the strategy which they would adopt after submitting resignations from the assemblies, but “they failed to give replies to our questions”.

Mr Bokhari ridiculed the reports that the PPP was running away from the resignations as it had struck a deal with the establishment and said had the party reached any understanding with the establishment, Yousuf Raza Gilani would not have faced such a defeat in the election for Senate chairman office.

“The PDM parties failed to satisfy us on the situation after submission of resignations,” he said. It was wrong to blame the PPP for everything as the party was still committed to follow the PDM declaration and the action plan issued after their multi-party conference (MPC) in September last year, he said.

The PPP secretary general said in the action plan, the use of resignations had been mentioned as a last resort after utilising all other options, including vote of no-confidence and long march. He said the PPP was determined to implement the PDM’s agenda which included removal of the government.

Another senior PPP leader while talking to Dawn on condition of anonymity said the party was shocked to see violation of the declaration and the PDM’s action plan by the other parties by linking en masse resignations with the long march.

On the other hand, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) secretary general Ahsan Iqbal denied that they had not provided any post-resignation roadmap, saying they had thoroughly talked about it in the PDM meeting and even the worst-case scenarios were discussed.

Mr Iqbal regretted that the PPP did not honour the opinion of the nine parties having long political and parliamentary experience. He said it was a collective view of the nine parties that the government would collapse after opposition lawmakers submitted their resignations as it would not be possible for it to go for by-elections in more than 450 constituencies.

Moreover, he said, the PPP was told in the meeting that they could consider submitting resignations only from the National Assembly in the first phase, if the party did not want to sacrifice its provincial government in Sindh. Again, Mr Iqbal said, it would not be possible for the government to have by-polls on 161 seats and half-empty opposition-less house would have no legitimacy and it would “create a question of legitimacy of the system.”

“You can hold by-elections on 20 or 30 seats, but not on 161 seats,” he opined. He said the nine parties believed that the whole system would collapse after the opposition’s en masse resignations.

Explaining the worst case scenario, he said first of all the speaker would not be able to hold their resignations for an indefinite or a longer period. He said the situation would become more difficult for the speaker and the government if the opposition members started besieging him daily asking him to accept their resignations and there would be a “drama in the country.”

When his attention was drawn to the fact that during the previous PML-N government, the then speaker Ayaz Sadiq had held the resignations of the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf members for almost a year, he said that was just one party, adding that when the entire opposition would come out of the assembly, then the whole system would become questionable.

Secondly, the PML-N leader said, even if the government decided to hold by-elections on the vacant seats and also in phases and according to its own choice of timing and place, then the PDM could again contest the elections jointly as they did in the recent by-elections, but only to resign again from the seats which, according to him, would create a “perpetual crisis”.

“At one point of time, you have to take risk. In politics, two plus two is not always four,” Mr Iqbal said.

Meanwhile, speaking at a ceremony in Peshawar, PDM president and Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman expressed annoyance over the PPP’s attitude, saying it should have respected the opinion and viewpoint of the nine parties. He expressed the hope that the PPP in its Central Executive Committee (CEC) meeting would give consideration and respect to the collective opinion of the nine parties, saying they wanted to keep the PPP within the PDM ranks.

The Maulana, who had left the press briefing on Tuesday after presiding over the PDM meeting apparently to show his displeasure over their failure to reach a consensus, also indirectly criticised the PPP for “leaking the proceedings of the meeting” to the media.

“Discussions in such meetings are always kept secret as a trust. Leaking the proceedings amounts to the breach of trust,” said the Maulana in an apparent reference to the media coverage of the PDM meeting containing almost full speech of former president Asif Zardari.

On the other hand, PPP’s Nayyar Bokhari said the Maulana’s criticism was justified, but the meeting was not held on the PPP’s premises and it was hosted by the PML-N. The arrangement of video link was made by the PML-N.

Earlier, speaking at a news conference, PPP leader Raja Pervaiz Ashraf said the party believed in democracy and had defeated every despotic government with its democratic actions. He said it was the PPP which convinced all political parties in the PDM to take part in the by-elections and the PDM won in the four provinces.

He said all decisions taken by the PDM on the advice of the PPP proved correct and mature. He said resignations were not first or second option but the last option to send the government packing. He said the PPP wanted to bring a no-confidence motion in the Punjab assembly.

Mr Ashraf said they had made preparations for the long march but when the resignations were bracketed with the long march, the PPP asked for time to consult its CEC.
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Two days after announcing postponement of the anti-government long march due to the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP)’s rejection of the proposal of submitting en masse resignations from the assemblies and in an effort to keep the opposition’s alliance intact, Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) president Maulana Fazlur Rehman on Thursday separately talked to former president Asif Zardari and Pakistan Muslim League-N (PML-N) supremo Nawaz Sharif over telephone.

Sources in the three major opposition parties confirmed to Dawn that the Maulana, who is also head of the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam (JUI-F), talked to the leaders of the two parties over the issue of the resignations and the proposed long march.

The sources said Mr Zardari, who had forcefully opposed the idea of quitting the assemblies during the meeting of the heads of the PDM parties in Islamabad on Tuesday, told the Maulana that the PPP had decided to convene a meeting of its Central Executive Committee (CEC) after its public meeting in Rawalpindi on the occasion of the death anniversary of the party’s founder Zulfikar Ali Bhutto on April 4 in which they would again review the proposal of submitting resignations from the assemblies.

According to sources in the PPP, both Mr Zardari and Maulana Fazl once again tried to convince each other on the issue of en masse resignations. However, Mr Zardari reiterated his stance that they should not come out of the assemblies as such a situation would only strengthen the hands of “the establishment” and Prime Minister Imran Khan.

Mr Zardari also expressed concern over the decision of the other PDM parties to link the resignations with the long march. The former president drew the attention of the Maulana to the agreed “plan of action” in the multi-party conference held in September last year, which clearly stated that the resignations would be the last option and for this purpose, a committee would be formed.

Mr Zardari, the PPP sources said, told the Maulana that the PML-N and other parties had suggested resigning from the assemblies believing that by doing so they might block the Senate elections and prevent the government from taking a majority in the upper house of the parliament. However, he opined, after contesting the Senate elections, the issue of the resignations had already become redundant.

The Maulana told Mr Zardari that the PDM component parties would wait for a final reply from the PPP after its CEC meeting before making any decision.

Later, the Maulana talked to Mr Sharif, who has been living in self-exile in London for more than a year, and apprised him about his conversation with Mr Zardari.

The sources said that the two leaders also discussed the probabilities in case the PPP decided to stick to its previous decision of not resigning from the assemblies. The two leaders, the sources said, were of the view that the PDM should continue its struggle against the government and should go ahead with its plan, even if the PPP decided to formally part ways with the alliance. They agreed to convene another meeting of the heads of the PDM soon after the PPP’s CEC meeting to discuss the future strategy.

The cracks within the ranks of the 10-party opposition alliance had become visible on Tuesday when its leadership announced postponement of their March 26 anti-government long march due to differences over the issue of the resignations.

An upset looking Maulana Fazl had suddenly left the press briefing without taking questions of the reporters after making a brief announcement that the PPP had sought more time to reconsider its position on the issue of en masse resignations and till the time the PPP would come back after an in-house discussion in its CEC, the long march stood “postponed”.

Before leaving the venue, the Maulana had disclosed that nine parties were in favour of resigning from the assemblies during the long march, but only the PPP had some “reservations over this thinking”. He said the PPP had sought time to discuss the matter again in its CEC which had been granted.

The sources said that in the PDM meeting, Mr Zardari had made submission of resignations conditional on the return of Mr Sharif to the country. The PPP leader in his speech launched political attacks on Mr Sharif and highlighted his own sacrifices, stating that he had spent 14 years in jail.

In the meeting, PML-N vice-president Maryam Nawaz had defended her father in a forceful manner and categorically declared that her father would not return to the country to put his life into danger.

The sources said that the Maulana was unhappy over the proceedings of the PDM meeting in which the PPP and the PML-N, the two arch rivals of the past, once again made some personal attacks against each other.

Speaking at a ceremony in Peshawar in Wednesday, the PDM president had expressed annoyance over the PPP’s attitude, saying it should have respected the opinion and viewpoint of the nine parties. He had also indirectly criticised the PPP for “leaking the proceedings of the meeting” to the media, saying that “discussions in such meetings are always kept secret as a trust and leaking the proceedings amounts to the breach of trust”.

Again speaking at a function in Islamabad on Thursday, without mentioning any name, the Maulana said that those who were afraid of going to jails should not have joined politics.

“It is a weakness to say that I can’t go to jail now. How will I fight? If you can’t fight then why you have joined politics?” the Maulana said without any reference, adding: “If you are in politics then you can find both power and jail.”

The Maulana once again asked the “establishment” not to support the government.

“Your job is to defend the country’s frontiers and not an illegitimate government,” he said.
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KARACHI: JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman on Friday said attempts were being made to divide the opposition alliance, the Pakistan Democratic Movement.

Speaking to a private TV channel, Fazl, who also heads the 11-party opposition alliance – PDM, rejected speculations that the alliance would split apart.

He also said the anti-government long march of the joint opposition scheduled for March 26 would now possibly take place after the holy month of Ramazan.

The long march was put off and rumours of a possible division surfaced in the wake of PDM leaders in a recent meeting being unable to reach a consensus on the issue of resigning from the assemblies en masse.

“I am expecting a positive response from the PPP when its central executive committee meets to decide on the issue,” Fazl said.

“God has made us sensible. If we can't understand what is beneficial or harmful for us, then we should quit politics," he added.

The JUI-F chief said he had suggested during the PDM meeting on Tuesday that opposition lawmakers should resign from the National Assembly in the first phase.

"I recommended resigning from the provincial assemblies in the second phase, he added.

“The lawmakers in the Sindh Assembly were to resign in the last phase.”

Fazl said there was no other option other than a protest movement against the government.

“If we wanted to fight from within parliament [as PPP leader Asif Ali Zardari suggested], why did we form the PDM?" he asked.

"We have to choose one of two options: either mobilise the masses or remain in parliament," he added.

Speaking on Pakistan-India relations, the JUI-F chief said war would not benefit the two countries. "We should move forward in our ties with India with dialogue.”

The PDM appeared to be in tatters on Tuesday owing to a serious divide on the issue of lawmakers’ resignations from assemblies, that forced it to postpone the long march against the government.

The PDM summit ended without taking any decision on major issues as leaders engaged themselves in heated exchanges over resignations, the Senate elections, and on the question of who to nominate as leader of opposition in the upper house of parliament.

According to sources, the PPP flatly refused to resign from the assemblies, while the PML-N refused to recall its supremo Nawaz Sharif from London.

On the other hand, Fazl demanded accountability over the defeat of Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri in the election for the post of Senate Deputy Chairman.

During the meeting, Zardari urged the PML-N supremo to return to Pakistan from London to reinforce the opposition against the PTI-led government, and if necessary the leaders of the PDM would go to jail together.

Zardari’s call for return of Sharif, who has been living in self-exile in London, stunned the participants of the PDM leaders who were in the federal capital to discuss the fate of the much-debated long march on Islamabad to unseat the PTI-led coalition government.

Later, Fazl briefly appeared before a battery of waiting journalists to announce the postponement of the long march, which was scheduled to begin on March 26, until the PPP returns with its formal decision on the resignation issue.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2290341/attempts-under-way-to-divide-pdm-says-fazl
 
IF PDM contests election together, then they should be able to beat PTI. However the chances of that are close to zero. PDM is a unholy alliance of seculars and mullahs. Of people who believe in free markets and socialists. The only thing that unites them is their hatred of Imran Khan.

Their is also no trust between PPP and PML N, neither does an alliance make sense for them. PML N wants early elections as if elections are held today they might win. However by 2023 the economy might have improved enough and PTI have delivered enough that they could sweep Punajb, and PML N is finished.

If PML N is finished, then PPP will be the second largest part in Punjab, and they will a realistic chance to win a federal election again. And by resigning they lose their government in Sindh, and if elections are held again thats the max they can win. So their is no benefit for PPP in resigning.
 
https://www.dawn.com/news/1613788/no-room-for-change-in-decision-that-senate-opposition-leader-will-be-from-pml-n-maryam

PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz said on Sunday that the leader of the opposition in the Senate would be from the PML-N and that this was a "principled decision" which had already been agreed upon by the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) leadership.

Her remarks come days after the PPP formally lodged its protest with the PML-N leadership at the highest level over the latter’s decision to nominate Azam Nazeer Tarar for the office of opposition leader in the Senate.

Addressing a press conference in Lahore with Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman, Maryam said all member parties of the PDM had agreed that they would vote for PPP's Yousuf Raza Gilani for the Senate chairman election and JUI-F's Abdul Ghafoor Haideri for the deputy chairman election, while the opposition leader would be from the PML-N.

"Because this principled decision has already been taken, [...] there is no room for change in this after the victory or loss of anyone," she said, referring to Gilani's loss in the Senate chairman election.

Maryam added that the PDM had not decided that the decision regarding the opposition leader would be subject to change if the other opposition candidates lost the election for the other Senate posts.

"A principled decision has been taken and I hope that according to the principle, all parties will stand by this decision."

The PML-N leader said Rehman was in agreement with her stance along with other parties of the opposition alliance. She said if anyone was under the impression that any flexibility could be created in the decision then "they can be convinced too that a principled decision has already been taken so there is no need to reopen it".

Answering a question, Maryam said the PML-N and JUI-F had both successfully held rallies and protests with considerable numbers in the past and therefore they didn't need anyone else, however, "it would be better if the entire opposition is united on the demands of the people [...] and should do their representation together."

In his remarks, Rehman said the PPP was a "big party" and an important component of the PDM so they would continue to engage with it to resolve any disagreements or grievances the party might have.

However, he said nine members of the PDM had agreed upon resigning from the assemblies and called upon the PPP to respect their opinion. He said the PDM would await the decision of the PPP's central executive committee and would be ready to deliberate on the party's arguments.

"We will fix our matters with them in a very cordial and positive environment so that PDM not only remains united but effective as well, and we will move forward in an effective manner."

Rehman once again criticised the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) over its petition to cancel Maryam's bail in the Chaudhry Sugar Mills case, terming it a "puppet institution".

He announced that "hundreds of thousands" of PDM workers will accompany Maryam during her appearance before NAB on March 26, while members of the PDM leadership will also be "standing right beside her". Sources had earlier said the PPP had protested Tarar's nomination by the PML-N leadership because of his being a lawyer for the accused in the Benazir Bhutto murder case.

PML-N Vice President Shahid Khaqan Abbasi on Wednesday confirmed that the party had nominated Tarar for the office of the opposition leader in the Senate as per an agreement reached among PDM parties.

Talking to Dawn, Abbasi, who was the head of the committee which had nominated the PDM candidates for the Senate, had claimed that the decision to give the office of the opposition leader to the PML-N was unanimous and it had nothing to do with the election of Gilani as the Senate chairman.

A PPP leader, meanwhile, had claimed that in the meeting of the PDM committee it had been decided that the slot of the opposition leader would go to the PML-N only if Gilani succeeded in the Senate chairman’s election. He said being the largest party on opposition benches in the Senate, it was the right of the PPP to have the opposition leader’s office.
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ISLAMABAD: Differences within the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) on the nomination of opposition leader in the Senate came to surface on Sunday when both the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) publicly claimed their right to the key office.

The two parties have started lobbying for the office and PPP chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari has talked to the heads of some smaller parties in this regard.

The PPP admits that previously it had agreed to giving the office of the opposition leader to PML-N in return for nomination of Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani for the office of Senate chairman, but says that after his defeat, the situation has changed.

PML-N vice president Maryam Nawaz took up the matter with Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman at a meeting with him in Jati Umra, Lahore, on Sunday. Talking to reporters later, she said the decision that the office would go to PML-N had already been taken and it would not be reversed.

Mr Bhutto-Zardari on Sunday talked to National Party chief Dr Abdul Malik and is scheduled to meet Jamaat-i-Islami emir Sirajul Haq in Mansoora on Monday (today) to seek his support for the PPP candidate.

Ms Nawaz said the decision that opposition leader in the Senate would be from PML-N had been taken by a PDM committee and it had nothing to do with the outcome of the elections of Senate chairman and deputy chairman. She said she had also talked to the Maulana on the issue.

The JUI-F chief, who is also the PDM president, was present on the occasion, but preferred to remain silent.

PML-N has already nominated Azam Nazeer Tarar for the post but PPP has not only rejected his nomination, but also lodged protest over it with the PML-N leadership because Mr Tarar is a lawyer for the accused police officials in Benazir Bhutto murder case.

Read: Tarar’s nomination another reason for PDM rift

According to sources, former president Asif Ali Zardari had conveyed his reservations to PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif over the move a day before the crucial meeting of the heads of the component parties of the PDM in Islamabad on March 16 after which differences in the opposition alliance over the issue of en masse resignations had also come to surface.

Announcing the decision to nominate Mr Gilani and Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri as joint opposition candidates for top Senate offices on March 8, PDM information secretary Mian Iftikhar Hussain had declared that it had been decided that the PML-N would retain the office of opposition leader in the new upper house.

The announcement was made by Mr Hussain in the presence of other PDM leaders, including Raja Pervez Ashraf of PPP.

Later, PML-N vice president Shahid Khaqan Abbasi had announced at a news conference in Islamabad last week that the party had nominated Mr Tarar for the office of opposition leader in the Senate as per an agreement reached among PDM parties.

Mr Tarar has been elected senator for the first time on a seat reserved for technocrats and he was among the 11 senators who were elected unopposed from Punjab.

Hours after Ms Nawaz’s categorical announcement, PPP leader and senior vice-president of the PDM Raja Pervez Ashraf expressed the hope that the issue would be amicably settled with consensus among the combined opposition parties in accordance with “the established democratic norms and traditions”.

In a statement, Mr Ashraf said with 21 senators, the PPP was the single largest opposition party in the Senate and the party believed that in accordance with democratic traditions, the slot of the opposition leader should go to it.

Mr Ashraf said the two other important parliamentary positions, opposition leader in the National Assembly and chairman of the Public Accounts Committee, were held by the PML-N.

“It will be right and proper that the third important parliamentary position namely leader of opposition in the Senate is given to the largest opposition party in the upper house of the parliament, instead of the party which already holds the other two important parliamentary positions,” he said.

Mr Ashraf said he was a member of the committee constituted by the PDM heads to propose names for the slots of Senate chairman, deputy chairman and opposition leader. The PPP leader said he had agreed that the three Senate slots be distributed among the three largest opposition parties in the PDM by proposing the candidate of the PPP for the chairman, the deputy chairman candidate from the JUI-F and the opposition leader candidate from the PML-N.

However, he said, after manipulation in the election of Senate chairman and denial of the chairmanship to Mr Gilani by wrongly rejecting seven votes cast in his favour, “the situation has completely changed”.

Mr Ashraf said after election to the office of the Senate chairman the situation with regard to the available offices in the upper house and their distribution among opposition parties had changed. The stance of the PPP on the opposition leader office was based on democratic principles, equity and fair play, he said.

At present, the PPP has 21 senators on opposition benches whereas the PML-N with 17 members is the second largest party in the upper house. Previously, the PML-N’s Raja Zafarul Haq was the leader of the opposition, but this time he had not contested Senate elections.

Published in Dawn, March 22nd, 2021
 
Billo telling us that Nani ji isnt his level. The scions of the crooked families calling each other selected. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] whats going on?
 
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2291192/zardari-fazl-agree-to-resolve-all-issues-together

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) co-chairperson Asif Ali Zardari and Jamiat Ulema Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman agreed on Wednesday to resolve all issues together.

According to Express, the PPP co-chairman held a telephonic conversation with the anti-government multi-party alliance, the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM), president wherein the two leaders discussed the political situation in the country.

According to JUI-F sources, Fazl told the former president that the matter of Senate opposition leader candidate being from the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) was decided at an earlier meeting of the PDM. Therefore, all the PDM parties should respect the joint decision.

On March 21, it was reported that PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz had made it clear that the opposition leader in Senate will be from her party as it was decided “in principle” at the PDM huddle ahead of elections for chairman and deputy chairman of the upper house.

Addressing a news conference following a meeting with JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman at Jati Umra in Lahore last week, she said when the leaders of the 11-party alliance met at Shahid Khaqan Abbasi's residence, they decided to support Yousuf Raza Gilani for the Senate chairman, JUI-F's Abdul Ghafoor Haideri for deputy chairman, and a PML-N candidate for the leader of the opposition slots.

“Winning or losing [Senate chairman poll] was not discussed as a factor for any change in the decision,” she maintained, further reinforcing reports of rifts within the anti-government alliance.

The largest opposition party is reportedly considering the names of Azam Nazeer Tarar and Sadia Abbasi for the position.

The PDM appeared to be in tatters because of serious differences on the issue of en masse resignations from assemblies, that forced it to postpone the scheduled long march against the government.
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https://tribune.com.pk/story/2291215/no-differences-with-bilawal-insists-maryam

As rifts between two main opposition parties making headlines, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Vice-President Maryam Nawaz has insisted that there are “no differences” with Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari.

Talking to the media after getting pre-arrest bail from the Lahore High Court (LHC) on Wednesday, the PML-N stalwart said that the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) is being “run by everyone except the institution itself”.

“I am not an easy target now,” she added. The PML-N leader said Prime Minister Imran Khan's government is in trouble and the anti-graft body will not be allowed to save his sinking ship. Maryam said there are no differences with the PPP and such ups and downs are a part of politics.

The PML-N vice-president said she has good relationship with Bilawal. “I am Nawaz Sharif’s daughter, I am aware of the politics of tolerance and know how to follow it.”

The PML-N and the PPP have separate strategies and some common goals under the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM), she added. Earlier today, the LHC approved Maryam’s interim bail till April 12 and barred NAB from arresting her.

A two-member bench heard the PML-N leader’s plea as she moved the court requesting an interim bail ahead of her NAB hearing on March 26. The LHC directed Maryam to appear before the NAB investigation officer. The court issued notice to the NAB chairman and summoned reply in the next hearing. PML-N’s Captain (retd) Safdar, Rana Sanaullah and Pervaiz Rashid were present in the courtroom along with Maryam who has been summoned by the anti-corruption watchdog in the Chaudhry Sugar Mills and illegal land transfer cases. She had challenged the NAB notices afterwards.

Maryam upheld that the opposition alliance will decide its own course of action without any outside interference.

She also spoke about the Punjab government’s decision to declare NAB's Lahore office premises a 'Red Zone', calling it a cowardly act. She said that the move shows the government was trembling in fear of an ‘unarmed’ woman.

The PML-N leader further claimed that she was summoned to the NAB office and attacked, adding that her car was targeted by a laser gun which was recorded on video. A day ago, the Punjab government declared the premises of the National Accountability Bureau (NAB)'s Lahore office as 'Red Zone' for March 26.

Maryam, the daughter of former prime minister and PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif, is to appear before the authority in the Chaudhry Sugar Mills and Raiwind land transfer cases.

Giving the bureau's request a nod, the federal interior ministry approved the deployment of Rangers and police at the office's premises for the day.

As per reports, contrary to speculations rife in the provincial capital, the authorities may not arrest the PML-N leader on the occasion. Instead, Maryam will only be presented with a questionnaire pertaining to the Chaudhry Sugar Mills case.

Afterwards, she will be questioned regarding the family's property in the Raiwind land transfer case.
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Those who betray PDM will pay 'high price': PML-N on Gilani's nomination

PML-N leader Ahsan Iqbal said on Friday that whoever betrayed the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) would pay an unimaginable price and that any political party wanting to see its politics flourish must not back away from the PDM's objectives.

Iqbal was addressing a press conference at Jati Umra, flanked by other PML-N leaders and personalities, after the news of the submission of Yousuf Raza Gilani's nomination papers for the leader of the opposition in the Senate surfaced.

"Whoever betrays PDM's objectives, he will pay a price so high he might not even have imagined," he warned.

"So any party that wants to see its politics successful, it cannot think of backing away from PDM's objectives."

He had also said on Twitter that Gilani was worthy of respect but it was expected from him to take the PDM into confidence "without whose votes he could never have been elected as a senator instead of taking a unilateral step".

"Instead, he found the senators of the BAP (Balochistan Awami Party) to be more trustworthy."

Iqbal criticised the PPP's decision to go ahead with Gilani's nomination and called upon its senators to honour the PDM's decision to support the PML-N candidate Azam Nazeer Tarar as the opposition leader.

"If this office of the leader of the opposition was so necessary for the PPP, I think if they had mentioned their need to [PML-N supremo] Nawaz Sharif sahab, he would have happily given them this position," said Iqbal, lamenting that the move without taking the PDM into confidence was not "appropriate and it has affected the opposition's unity".

"The specific senators whose support was used to get the numbers, the whole of Islamabad knows whose instructions they vote on.

"These type of suspect transactions are not appropriate for the transparent politics of the PDM."

He also criticised the Awami National Party (ANP) for extending its support to the PPP when a decision had already been taken by the PDM's member parties. "We are very saddened that ANP unilaterally took a decision against the PDM decision so we will raise these questions in PDM's next session."

PML-N leader Rana Sanaullah said that the matter would be taken up in a meeting of the leaders of the PDM's constituent member parties and "whatever decision is taken there will decide the future of the PDM".

"PDM is the centre of the hopes of Pakistan's 220 million people," said Iqbal, adding that the people wanted this "game of musical chairs" to come to an end and for the country to be run in accordance with the Constitution.

"The PDM's objectives will not be disturbed by a party moving forward or back. PML-N will keep playing this role through PDM and its own platform."

Iqbal, at the end. expressed the hope that "the PPP will consider that everyone's unity is in the struggle we are doing from PDM."

Iqbal had, earlier in the day, also pointed out that the PPP had taken the application to the same person whom they had challenged in the court for the Senate chairman. "Doesn't seem appropriate."

Iqbal's press conference was the latest among a series of salvos from the opposition benches over an issue that has created disagreements between the PML-N and the PPP.

The PML-N maintains that the decision that the opposition leader in the Senate would be from the PML-N had been taken by a PDM committee and it had nothing to do with the outcome of the elections of Senate chairman and deputy chairman.

The PPP, meanwhile, admitted that it had previously agreed to giving the office of the opposition leader to the PML-N in return for nomination of Gilani for the office of Senate chairman. But the situation changed after Gilani's defeat, it said.

PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari has insisted that the PPP has a right to nominate the leader of the opposition since it is the political party, among the opposition, which enjoys a majority in the Senate.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1614735/those-who-betray-pdm-will-pay-high-price-pml-n-on-gilanis-nomination
 
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Those who betray PDM will pay 'high price': PML-N on Gilani's nomination

PML-N leader Ahsan Iqbal said on Friday that whoever betrayed the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) would pay an unimaginable price and that any political party wanting to see its politics flourish must not back away from the PDM's objectives.

Iqbal was addressing a press conference at Jati Umra, flanked by other PML-N leaders and personalities, after the news of the submission of Yousuf Raza Gilani's nomination papers for the leader of the opposition in the Senate surfaced.

"Whoever betrays PDM's objectives, he will pay a price so high he might not even have imagined," he warned.

"So any party that wants to see its politics successful, it cannot think of backing away from PDM's objectives."

He had also said on Twitter that Gilani was worthy of respect but it was expected from him to take the PDM into confidence "without whose votes he could never have been elected as a senator instead of taking a unilateral step".

"Instead, he found the senators of the BAP (Balochistan Awami Party) to be more trustworthy."

Iqbal criticised the PPP's decision to go ahead with Gilani's nomination and called upon its senators to honour the PDM's decision to support the PML-N candidate Azam Nazeer Tarar as the opposition leader.

"If this office of the leader of the opposition was so necessary for the PPP, I think if they had mentioned their need to [PML-N supremo] Nawaz Sharif sahab, he would have happily given them this position," said Iqbal, lamenting that the move without taking the PDM into confidence was not "appropriate and it has affected the opposition's unity".

"The specific senators whose support was used to get the numbers, the whole of Islamabad knows whose instructions they vote on.

"These type of suspect transactions are not appropriate for the transparent politics of the PDM."

He also criticised the Awami National Party (ANP) for extending its support to the PPP when a decision had already been taken by the PDM's member parties. "We are very saddened that ANP unilaterally took a decision against the PDM decision so we will raise these questions in PDM's next session."

PML-N leader Rana Sanaullah said that the matter would be taken up in a meeting of the leaders of the PDM's constituent member parties and "whatever decision is taken there will decide the future of the PDM".

"PDM is the centre of the hopes of Pakistan's 220 million people," said Iqbal, adding that the people wanted this "game of musical chairs" to come to an end and for the country to be run in accordance with the Constitution.

"The PDM's objectives will not be disturbed by a party moving forward or back. PML-N will keep playing this role through PDM and its own platform."

Iqbal, at the end. expressed the hope that "the PPP will consider that everyone's unity is in the struggle we are doing from PDM."

Iqbal had, earlier in the day, also pointed out that the PPP had taken the application to the same person whom they had challenged in the court for the Senate chairman. "Doesn't seem appropriate."

Iqbal's press conference was the latest among a series of salvos from the opposition benches over an issue that has created disagreements between the PML-N and the PPP.

The PML-N maintains that the decision that the opposition leader in the Senate would be from the PML-N had been taken by a PDM committee and it had nothing to do with the outcome of the elections of Senate chairman and deputy chairman.

The PPP, meanwhile, admitted that it had previously agreed to giving the office of the opposition leader to the PML-N in return for nomination of Gilani for the office of Senate chairman. But the situation changed after Gilani's defeat, it said.

PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari has insisted that the PPP has a right to nominate the leader of the opposition since it is the political party, among the opposition, which enjoys a majority in the Senate.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1614735/those-who-betray-pdm-will-pay-high-price-pml-n-on-gilanis-nomination
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So these idiots are threatening each other. The circus of crooks has fallen on their own sword. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], where are you, wasnt this the victory your celebrated with a link to twitter.::moyo2
 
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So these idiots are threatening each other. The circus of crooks has fallen on their own sword. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], where are you, wasnt this the victory your celebrated with a link to twitter.::moyo2
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Some more food for thought:

ISLAMABAD:
Battle lines have been clearly drawn as harsh statements are given publically by the two major parties in the opposition Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) alliance – the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP).

Though a ceasefire between the two largest opposition parties has been announced, yet it apparently could not save the six-month old 10-party-anti-government alliance, which now seems to be “dead as a dodo”.

Background interviews with the lawmakers from both the parties suggest that the PPP appears to be all set to part ways with the PDM – and the PML-N – allowing Prime Minister Imran Khan having had the last laugh.

The lawmakers were contacted following the appointment of PPP’s Yusuf Raza Gilani as the Senate opposition leader, hours after he filed the application for his candidacy. The PML-N wanted the coveted post for its senator, claiming that the matter was decided in a PDM meeting earlier.

“The PDM is as dead as a dodo, the PPP has decided to go alone through the ‘mother of all deals’ and the PML-N is left behind, all alone, holding the baby with the bathwater,” a PML-N senator said on the condition of anonymity.

Publically, the PDM is still intact but the growing differences between the two largest opposition parties have sounded death knell for the anti-government alliance. “PDM is now dead and today it’s been given an indecent burial,” the PML-N senator expressed.

Under Senate rules, a two-week period after the election of the Senate chairman is stipulated for filing papers for the post of the leader of the opposition. March 26 was the last date for the filing the application.

The PML-N senator claimed that majority in the PDM supported the PML-N but the “PPP bypassed it”. Admitting that the strategy of a joint struggle against the PTI was in shambles now, the senator said: “It was always a case of power politics [PPP] vs people’s politics [PML-N].”

“The PPP played on both sides of the wicket,” he maintained, adding: “[PPP] has now preferred to position itself for a substantive role in the next election round, in 2023, with a ‘soft induction’ in the current power structure, according to the rules of the game set by the establishment.”

The lawmaker admitted that the problem with the PML-N strategy was that it had no “Plan B” and that it was a fact the party woke up to a rather rude shock – being politically outsmarted by former president Asif Zardari and his son. Adopting extreme approach, he added, was another fault of the PML-N leadership.

A PPP senator, while revealing the other side of the story, said that the PML-N lawmakers were publically “telling a lie” that the PML-N would have given the office of the leader of the opposition in the Senate to the PPP had it asked for it.

“Zardari Sahib tried to reach Nawaz Sharif but Ishaq Dar told him that no discussion could take place on the issue,” the PPP lawmaker revealed, adding that all the PML-N did was that it finalised Senator Azam Nazir Tarar’s name for the slot; informed the PPP about it and started the process of filing papers in Senate two days ago.

The PPP leader said that the party leadership recorded its protest over Tarar’s nomination but the PML-N leadership maintained that “it’s a settled issue for us and we can’t talk on it”.

The PPP leader added that “the future of the PDM is in their [PML-N] hands but one thing is clear that things will not go on if they keep dictating us. Neither are we fools nor ready to obey orders”.

The senator, while referring to the PML-N’s leader of the opposition in the National Assembly and chairman of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), said that the PML-N can’t have all three offices in the parliament, especially, when they closed the doors for discussion on the leader of the opposition slot in the upper house of parliament.

Replying to PML-N leader Ahsan Iqbal’s statement that the PPP found the senators of the Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) to be more trustworthy, the legislator said that the PPP had the votes to get the opposition leader’s post even without the independent members from Balochistan.

The lawmaker emphasised that the Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) and the Awami National Party (ANP) along with independent senators from former federally-Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) supported the PPP along with a group of four senator formed by Senator Dilawar.

Countering the argument that the PPP has dented the opposition’s alliance, the lawmaker said that the PPP did not question motives, when the Chaudhrys of Gujrat brokered a major deal between the government and the opposition that paved the way for Senate elections in Punjab without voting.

Before the Senate polls, the Chaudhrys – Shujaat Hussain and Parvaiz Elahi – had used their experience and contacts across the party lines to ensure that every party got its due share in the Senate polls from the largest province of the country. “We [PPP] never called the deal in Punjab a set-up nor have we made any allegations,” the lawmaker concluded.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2291682/dead-as-a-dodo-pdm-gets-indecent-burial
 
MenInG said:
Some more food for thought:

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Battle lines have been clearly drawn as harsh statements are given publically by the two major parties in the opposition Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) alliance – the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP).

Though a ceasefire between the two largest opposition parties has been announced, yet it apparently could not save the six-month old 10-party-anti-government alliance, which now seems to be “dead as a dodo”.

Background interviews with the lawmakers from both the parties suggest that the PPP appears to be all set to part ways with the PDM – and the PML-N – allowing Prime Minister Imran Khan having had the last laugh.

The lawmakers were contacted following the appointment of PPP’s Yusuf Raza Gilani as the Senate opposition leader, hours after he filed the application for his candidacy. The PML-N wanted the coveted post for its senator, claiming that the matter was decided in a PDM meeting earlier.

“The PDM is as dead as a dodo, the PPP has decided to go alone through the ‘mother of all deals’ and the PML-N is left behind, all alone, holding the baby with the bathwater,” a PML-N senator said on the condition of anonymity.

Publically, the PDM is still intact but the growing differences between the two largest opposition parties have sounded death knell for the anti-government alliance. “PDM is now dead and today it’s been given an indecent burial,” the PML-N senator expressed.

Under Senate rules, a two-week period after the election of the Senate chairman is stipulated for filing papers for the post of the leader of the opposition. March 26 was the last date for the filing the application.

The PML-N senator claimed that majority in the PDM supported the PML-N but the “PPP bypassed it”. Admitting that the strategy of a joint struggle against the PTI was in shambles now, the senator said: “It was always a case of power politics [PPP] vs people’s politics [PML-N].”

“The PPP played on both sides of the wicket,” he maintained, adding: “[PPP] has now preferred to position itself for a substantive role in the next election round, in 2023, with a ‘soft induction’ in the current power structure, according to the rules of the game set by the establishment.”

The lawmaker admitted that the problem with the PML-N strategy was that it had no “Plan B” and that it was a fact the party woke up to a rather rude shock – being politically outsmarted by former president Asif Zardari and his son. Adopting extreme approach, he added, was another fault of the PML-N leadership.

A PPP senator, while revealing the other side of the story, said that the PML-N lawmakers were publically “telling a lie” that the PML-N would have given the office of the leader of the opposition in the Senate to the PPP had it asked for it.

“Zardari Sahib tried to reach Nawaz Sharif but Ishaq Dar told him that no discussion could take place on the issue,” the PPP lawmaker revealed, adding that all the PML-N did was that it finalised Senator Azam Nazir Tarar’s name for the slot; informed the PPP about it and started the process of filing papers in Senate two days ago.

The PPP leader said that the party leadership recorded its protest over Tarar’s nomination but the PML-N leadership maintained that “it’s a settled issue for us and we can’t talk on it”.

The PPP leader added that “the future of the PDM is in their [PML-N] hands but one thing is clear that things will not go on if they keep dictating us. Neither are we fools nor ready to obey orders”.

The senator, while referring to the PML-N’s leader of the opposition in the National Assembly and chairman of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), said that the PML-N can’t have all three offices in the parliament, especially, when they closed the doors for discussion on the leader of the opposition slot in the upper house of parliament.

Replying to PML-N leader Ahsan Iqbal’s statement that the PPP found the senators of the Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) to be more trustworthy, the legislator said that the PPP had the votes to get the opposition leader’s post even without the independent members from Balochistan.

The lawmaker emphasised that the Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) and the Awami National Party (ANP) along with independent senators from former federally-Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) supported the PPP along with a group of four senator formed by Senator Dilawar.

Countering the argument that the PPP has dented the opposition’s alliance, the lawmaker said that the PPP did not question motives, when the Chaudhrys of Gujrat brokered a major deal between the government and the opposition that paved the way for Senate elections in Punjab without voting.

Before the Senate polls, the Chaudhrys – Shujaat Hussain and Parvaiz Elahi – had used their experience and contacts across the party lines to ensure that every party got its due share in the Senate polls from the largest province of the country. “We [PPP] never called the deal in Punjab a set-up nor have we made any allegations,” the lawmaker concluded.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2291682/dead-as-a-dodo-pdm-gets-indecent-burial
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The PPP has made mince meat of the Nooras. AZ has absolutely humiliated Maryam and her band of crooks. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] which of these crooks is selected. When will you next join this thread, what are you scared off?
 
Pakistan Muslim League- Nawaz (PML-N) Vice President Maryam Nawaz on Saturday said that a clear line has been drawn between Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) and Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) over its move for the smallest slot in Senate which damaged PDM’s struggle for democracy.

She was talking to the media after she visited the Lahore High Court (LHC) earlier in the day to submit a surety bond of Rs1 million for bail in the Jatti Umra land allotment case.

“PPP compromised on a ‘politics of principle’ and preferred to take votes from Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) which according to her “does not act without the command of what she called “baap”.

On a query regarding minus PPP from PDM, she responded that she was waiting for the statement of PDM’s President Molana Fazalur Rehman on it.

“It is regrettable that PPP did not bother the PDM’s decision on opposition leader in the Senate. If this slot was much important for PPP then it should have contacted PML-N’s Chief Mian Nawaz Sharif,” she said.

Maryam further added that on the one side there were some people who were laying down lives for the struggle of democracy, law and order and on another, some people are compromising politics of principle.

It is the first time in history where government voted in favour of the opposition leader of the upper house, she added.

“PDM’s remaining political parties including PML-N are enough to give tough time to the government,” she asserted.

She further added the politics of “Adha teetar adha betair” would not be tolerated and that things should be very clear now.

“When some people were talking about the vote of no confidence in Punjab, Mian Nawaz Sharif had made clear that time that they will not stand by with selectors,” she said.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2291760/clear-line-drawn-between-pdm-ppp-maryam-nawaz
 
A union made in hell and on haram ka paisa could not have survived long and so it has proven.

The best thing for Maryam would be to go to jail now and stay there to reflect on what she's done wrong.
 
Na doubt it.

The problem with PPP and PMLN and even for most of the PTI politicians is that they think need to be in power.

No one is there to serve the awaam, and no one does campaign where they want to help the awaam. Its always bickering, this party did that we did that.

PTI's downfall would be its own fault and PDM wont get any credit for it. PTI has always campaigned on an Us vs Them mantra. There fans also dance on that tone and when they argue its always us vs them. Pti has failed to unite the country.

PPP and PMLN dont care for the awaam, lets be honest. Bilalwal, Maryam and Imran Khan dont have zilch of an idea what the common faces.

The other day in Multan a person died in Ambulance as Buzdar's convoy was more important and they closed all the roads for his passage.

Bilalwal makes great speeches, yet has the guy ever walked down to his local kiryana store? Does he know the price of common products? Has he ever driven his own car on a road that has bumps? Has he ever faced problems with law and order?

PTI will fall, but it will only get replaced by another party at the center. The cycle will continue
 
Major said:
Na doubt it.

The problem with PPP and PMLN and even for most of the PTI politicians is that they think need to be in power.

No one is there to serve the awaam, and no one does campaign where they want to help the awaam. Its always bickering, this party did that we did that.

PTI's downfall would be its own fault and PDM wont get any credit for it. PTI has always campaigned on an Us vs Them mantra. There fans also dance on that tone and when they argue its always us vs them. Pti has failed to unite the country.

PPP and PMLN dont care for the awaam, lets be honest. Bilalwal, Maryam and Imran Khan dont have zilch of an idea what the common faces.

The other day in Multan a person died in Ambulance as Buzdar's convoy was more important and they closed all the roads for his passage.

Bilalwal makes great speeches, yet has the guy ever walked down to his local kiryana store? Does he know the price of common products? Has he ever driven his own car on a road that has bumps? Has he ever faced problems with law and order?

PTI will fall, but it will only get replaced by another party at the center. The cycle will continue
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The problems that people face are of their own making. They vote for crooks like AZ and NS and then want them to change their spots. The awaam enjoy the tamasha of elections but besides inflation which impacts them directly, they have no idea of what makes a successful modern economy. The awaam don't understand how the IPPs fleeced a poor country by generating electricity costing 33% more than our neighbours. The politicians were in on the scam but want to stay in power so they kept prices artificially low, the were happy with subsidised electricity that these crooks gave them with borrowed billions, only one problem, loans need to be repaid with interest. Around half of tax takings go into paying interest, we are barely staying afloat. When Mush left the debt was 37bn, when the Nooras left it was close to a 100bn. The PPP and Nooras tripled the Foreign debt and IK is borrowing to pay off the interest on this debt.
IK can't change a corrupt,mafia led system in 2.5 years with a minority govt. As I said on here before the mafia have beaten IK and as you will see in the years to come, the awaam will pay a heavy price. The Kaptaan is determined but doesn't have a magical wand.
 
MenInG said:
A union made in hell and on haram ka paisa could not have survived long and so it has proven.

The best thing for Maryam would be to go to jail now and stay there to reflect on what she's done wrong.
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The thing with these crooks is that next week, they may come together again. Neither party has any principles and their supporters are even more badniyaat. You had the bizarre situation where the Nooras were defending and singing the praises of AZ on his cases, cases they had filed. As I said on a number of occasions, the mafia have won, the Kaptaan has lost.
 
Bewal Express said:
The problems that people face are of their own making. They vote for crooks like AZ and NS and then want them to change their spots. The awaam enjoy the tamasha of elections but besides inflation which impacts them directly, they have no idea of what makes a successful modern economy. The awaam don't understand how the IPPs fleeced a poor country by generating electricity costing 33% more than our neighbours. The politicians were in on the scam but want to stay in power so they kept prices artificially low, the were happy with subsidised electricity that these crooks gave them with borrowed billions, only one problem, loans need to be repaid with interest. Around half of tax takings go into paying interest, we are barely staying afloat. When Mush left the debt was 37bn, when the Nooras left it was close to a 100bn. The PPP and Nooras tripled the Foreign debt and IK is borrowing to pay off the interest on this debt.
IK can't change a corrupt,mafia led system in 2.5 years with a minority govt. As I said on here before the mafia have beaten IK and as you will see in the years to come, the awaam will pay a heavy price. The Kaptaan is determined but doesn't have a magical wand.
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First of all, dont just start blaming awaam just for the sake of it.

When elections are held, awaam is forced to vote for party and not for the person. Imran Khan will make promises that I will bring this and this change so vote for my party.

Now on election day what happens, just so that we could get Imran Khan elected as PM from parliament, we end up voting for some idiot as MNA. That MNA and MPA could be any idiot. Thus, from my area, that Amir Kiani got elected and guess what, he ends up increasing the prices of medicine. From Karachi we see Amir Liaqut get elected. So there goes your govt system.

Than when the Prime minister gets elected because of these MNAs and MPAs, we hear stories that oh dont blame the Kapttaan its not his fault, its the fault of the other people.

If IK can't change anything, than he should better get lost. He made promises, he did a campaigned on such things. Everything that he stood against on the container, he did those exact same things when coming to power.

IK is not corrupt, I give him that. But what benefit am I getting from him not being corrupt? I have to pay extra for meds. I have to pay more for petrol. Covid test is Rs.7000. The govt is not buy vaccine. DRAP has set the price of Russian vaccine at Rs. 8500 and the importer has went on to give threats that they will reexport the vaccine to some other country that is willing to pay their price.

Petrol prices are rising. Gas prices has risen. The other day i heard some ** that Pakistan is producing excessive electrcity, but the funny thing is electricity prices are gonna increase by more than 100% in three years.

No one cares around here. Imran has never suffered in the Pakistani system and PMLN or PPP dont care for anyone.
 
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Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has said that being the largest opposition party in the Senate it was his party’s right to elect opposition leader in the upper house of parliament while rejecting allegations of being a “selected opposition”.

“I coined the term ‘selected’ and I know who should be labelled as one,” Bilawal said on Saturday while addressing a press conference in Karachi, in an apparent reference to criticism hurled at his party by Maryam Nawaz and other PML-N leaders.

The term ‘selected’ was first used by the PPP chairman for Prime Minister Imran Khan, accusing him of coming into power through backdoor.

Battle lines have been clearly drawn as harsh statements are given publically by the two major parties in the opposition Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM).

Though a ceasefire between PPP and PML-N has been announced, yet it apparently could not save the six-month old 10-party-anti-government alliance, which now seems to be “dead as a dodo”.

Background interviews with the lawmakers from both the parties suggest that the PPP appears to be all set to part ways with the PDM – and the PML-N – allowing Prime Minister Imran having had the last laugh.

Bilawal in today’s presser, responded to criticism over former prime minister Yousuf Raza Gillani’s appointment as the opposition leader in the upper house of the parliament.

Soon after the appointment on Friday, PML-N hit out at the PPP accusing it of securing government-backed Senators’ support for the key Senate post.

However, PPP which has 21 seats in Senate rejected the allegation saying that it was supported by independent lawmakers and two other opposition parties.

“I respect the leaders of PML-N including Maryam Nawaz. I have never criticised Maryam during difficult times and will never do so in future,” said the PPP chief.

Bilawal also urged the PML-N leaders to stop mudslinging against his party, saying that it will harm the opposition alliance, which was formed last year to dislodge Prime Minister Imran Khan’s government.

“We [PDM] will give tough time to the government inside and outside the parliament and will continue our struggle to overthrow the government,” said Bilawal.

Earlier in the day, PML-N Vice President Maryam said a clear line had been drawn between PDM and PPP over its move for the “smallest slot” in Senate which she said damaged PDM’s struggle for democracy.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2291766/i-coined-the-term-selected-and-know-whos-the-one-says-bilawal
 
Major said:
First of all, dont just start blaming awaam just for the sake of it.

When elections are held, awaam is forced to vote for party and not for the person. Imran Khan will make promises that I will bring this and this change so vote for my party.

Now on election day what happens, just so that we could get Imran Khan elected as PM from parliament, we end up voting for some idiot as MNA. That MNA and MPA could be any idiot. Thus, from my area, that Amir Kiani got elected and guess what, he ends up increasing the prices of medicine. From Karachi we see Amir Liaqut get elected. So there goes your govt system.

Than when the Prime minister gets elected because of these MNAs and MPAs, we hear stories that oh dont blame the Kapttaan its not his fault, its the fault of the other people.

If IK can't change anything, than he should better get lost. He made promises, he did a campaigned on such things. Everything that he stood against on the container, he did those exact same things when coming to power.

IK is not corrupt, I give him that. But what benefit am I getting from him not being corrupt? I have to pay extra for meds. I have to pay more for petrol. Covid test is Rs.7000. The govt is not buy vaccine. DRAP has set the price of Russian vaccine at Rs. 8500 and the importer has went on to give threats that they will reexport the vaccine to some other country that is willing to pay their price.

Petrol prices are rising. Gas prices has risen. The other day i heard some ** that Pakistan is producing excessive electrcity, but the funny thing is electricity prices are gonna increase by more than 100% in three years.

No one cares around here. Imran has never suffered in the Pakistani system and PMLN or PPP dont care for anyone.
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The awaam are entirely to blame for voting for crooks and instinctively they prefer them.
Its interesting that you as PPP supporter cannot say a single word about your own crooks and all your vitriol is about IK. IK has lifted the veil on a rotten system, you could either accept the system is rotten and want some honest person to change it, or hide behind your ignorance. All you guys want to hide behind your ignorance.
IK has a minority govt, which your guys along with the Nooras and your leader Diesel have tried to overthrow on 2 occasions and i dont hear you condemn either time.
As far as the vaccines are concerned, PK cant afford to give free vaccines to all at the moment, they have given free vaccines to the elderly and from all reports it has been well organised and fairly distributed. And in time they will give free vaccines to all. Even IK waited for his turn.
I am not sure how well you informed about how petrol prices are determined but oil prices are around $70 atm and PK has little or no oil and its the same with Gas. Do you want him to subsidise these prices, if you do, where should the money come from? Do you want to borrow more money.

As i said your mafia guys have won, IK cannot change the system with a minority govt and as you will see, things will only get worse unless radical painful change is made. This system will never allow that
 
Bewal Express said:
The awaam are entirely to blame for voting for crooks and instinctively they prefer them.
Its interesting that you as PPP supporter cannot say a single word about your own crooks and all your vitriol is about IK. IK has lifted the veil on a rotten system, you could either accept the system is rotten and want some honest person to change it, or hide behind your ignorance. All you guys want to hide behind your ignorance.
IK has a minority govt, which your guys along with the Nooras and your leader Diesel have tried to overthrow on 2 occasions and i dont hear you condemn either time.
As far as the vaccines are concerned, PK cant afford to give free vaccines to all at the moment, they have given free vaccines to the elderly and from all reports it has been well organised and fairly distributed. And in time they will give free vaccines to all. Even IK waited for his turn.
I am not sure how well you informed about how petrol prices are determined but oil prices are around $70 atm and PK has little or no oil and its the same with Gas. Do you want him to subsidise these prices, if you do, where should the money come from? Do you want to borrow more money.

As i said your mafia guys have won, IK cannot change the system with a minority govt and as you will see, things will only get worse unless radical painful change is made. This system will never allow that
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like i said, for you its us against them. All your post has got you guys you people and this and that.

So now awaam is at fault for electing Amir Kiani and Amir Liaqut?

GOvt can buy vaccine. DIfference you divert your budget. Instead of flying planes on 25th march you could had diverted payment on health budget.

Govt is getting free vaccines, they haven't bought any for the awam.

You are telling me how petrol prices are determine, but do you yourself know how economic policies play a role?

Did you know that when petrol prices were reduced last year, the govt ended up lowering the prices to almost Rs.60-80. Even though that was because the supply was excessive in the whole world.

Now you would actually praise that, but the problem is, the price would eventually increase back when the market was in proper equilibrium. Now the problem isn't the price increase, the problem is when the the petrol prices increase again than extra inflation will come with it.

The govt ended up causing extra inflation by lowering the petrol prices even though everyone in the world , every economic student knew that the petrol price was low due to excessive supply, thus when ever supply and demand was normal price would be back at normal.

The whole conclusion is that had the petrol price not been lowered so excesivly at the time, Inflation would had not rised that much.

ITs because of such dumb policies we get effected. People cry about corruption, but such small dumb policies effect us on daily bases.

Be it PPP, PMLN or PTI, they have no idea how to run the country, and have zero concern. Everyone is interested in playing politics with the awaam.
 
Major said:
like i said, for you its us against them. All your post has got you guys you people and this and that.

So now awaam is at fault for electing Amir Kiani and Amir Liaqut?

GOvt can buy vaccine. DIfference you divert your budget. Instead of flying planes on 25th march you could had diverted payment on health budget.

Govt is getting free vaccines, they haven't bought any for the awam.

You are telling me how petrol prices are determine, but do you yourself know how economic policies play a role?

Did you know that when petrol prices were reduced last year, the govt ended up lowering the prices to almost Rs.60-80. Even though that was because the supply was excessive in the whole world.

Now you would actually praise that, but the problem is, the price would eventually increase back when the market was in proper equilibrium. Now the problem isn't the price increase, the problem is when the the petrol prices increase again than extra inflation will come with it.

The govt ended up causing extra inflation by lowering the petrol prices even though everyone in the world , every economic student knew that the petrol price was low due to excessive supply, thus when ever supply and demand was normal price would be back at normal.

The whole conclusion is that had the petrol price not been lowered so excesivly at the time, Inflation would had not rised that much.

ITs because of such dumb policies we get effected. People cry about corruption, but such small dumb policies effect us on daily bases.

Be it PPP, PMLN or PTI, they have no idea how to run the country, and have zero concern. Everyone is interested in playing politics with the awaam.
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You keep mentioning these guys as if they are the ones that have caused the damage to PK, they arent. They maybe total idiots, or just people that you dont like but the reality is that 3 policies have done incalculable damage to PK economy- Bhuttos nationalistion in the 70s, the IPPs in the 90s under BB and NSs and NSs and Munshis disastrous over valuation of the Rps in the 10s. All 3 policies have led directly to levels of corruption like with the nationalised state industries like PIA, PSM etc, the IPPs sold electricity at 33% more than our neighbours, and they were given sovereign guarantees( most of the contracts went to the crooked elite). Its cost 100s of billions of $ and we have no assets as a state to show for it. These crooks used furnace oil, increasing our import bills and charging us a 1/3 more. This also had the disastrous affect of destroying our industry and even worse, we could have used the same money to build many dams securing our water and cheap electricity. The Awaam voted NS and he was desperate to avoid taking the hard decisions, so he kept the RP overvalued by some estimates by 30%, this destroyed our remaining industry and subsidised cheap imports, now we have nothing to export. All 3 were elected by the people. ZAB was not corrupt but the other 2 were crooked as they come.
As i said the day YRG was elected, PKs mafia has won. They voted for a certified crook, IK and PK has lost. PK needs radical surgery but this system wont allow it.
 
Bewal Express said:
You keep mentioning these guys as if they are the ones that have caused the damage to PK, they arent. They maybe total idiots, or just people that you dont like but the reality is that 3 policies have done incalculable damage to PK economy- Bhuttos nationalistion in the 70s, the IPPs in the 90s under BB and NSs and NSs and Munshis disastrous over valuation of the Rps in the 10s. All 3 policies have led directly to levels of corruption like with the nationalised state industries like PIA, PSM etc, the IPPs sold electricity at 33% more than our neighbours, and they were given sovereign guarantees( most of the contracts went to the crooked elite). Its cost 100s of billions of $ and we have no assets as a state to show for it. These crooks used furnace oil, increasing our import bills and charging us a 1/3 more. This also had the disastrous affect of destroying our industry and even worse, we could have used the same money to build many dams securing our water and cheap electricity. The Awaam voted NS and he was desperate to avoid taking the hard decisions, so he kept the RP overvalued by some estimates by 30%, this destroyed our remaining industry and subsidised cheap imports, now we have nothing to export. All 3 were elected by the people. ZAB was not corrupt but the other 2 were crooked as they come.
As i said the day YRG was elected, PKs mafia has won. They voted for a certified crook, IK and PK has lost. PK needs radical surgery but this system wont allow it.
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Bhutto's nationalization wasn't bad.

Pakistan's problems today are all those problems that you get when you have capitalism in place. You need vaccine, go buy it yourself for Rs. 10, 000.

Need to get covid test, go pay Rs. 7000. Need better schooling? Go pay 40 thousand in fees for better schooling.

You want to get your Nadra card made quickly, pay an extra buck.

Bhutto's nationalist policies were good, he was bringing in a socialistic form of govt. Why it failed? Because our Civil service was a joke.

You need to understand that there were barely any Business Schools or graduates at the time. CSS is just an exam that a medical student, business student or a law student could attempt. Anyone who clears it can get a job in any dept they want. For example a medical student working in Ministry of commerce.

Now the CSS might have changed, but back than it was very flawed.
Thus, when we had business owners being replaced with CSS workers who had no knowledge of how to run the industry, it failed.

Bhutto's Nationalism gets criticized alot, but people dont look deep into why it failed. Infact, under his socialism policy, the guy who belonged from a Feudal lord family ended up passing Land reforms where the acres were divded.

But, our corrupt still found ways to keep the land.

The country's problem is not corruption. The class difference is the problem. THe poor governance is the problem.
Funny thing is, even our poor are so fascinated with political protocols that when they come into governance they aswell get involved in nepotism and enjoying perks and showing off.

Meanwhile, the rich have no ounce of parwa as they themselves dont know the problems.

The country needs someone who has the guts to overthrow the system in place. Has the guts to keep the army in its place. A person that is hated by all the political spectrum but is loved by the Awaam. But even our awaam is gulable. The Army knows how to use propoganda against anyone they dont like. Thus, if army doesn't like, they will make a post on social media that you are anti Pakistan pro India.

The country can't change and is already doomed.
 
Major said:
Bhutto's nationalization wasn't bad.

Pakistan's problems today are all those problems that you get when you have capitalism in place. You need vaccine, go buy it yourself for Rs. 10, 000.

Need to get covid test, go pay Rs. 7000. Need better schooling? Go pay 40 thousand in fees for better schooling.

You want to get your Nadra card made quickly, pay an extra buck.

Bhutto's nationalist policies were good, he was bringing in a socialistic form of govt. Why it failed? Because our Civil service was a joke.

You need to understand that there were barely any Business Schools or graduates at the time. CSS is just an exam that a medical student, business student or a law student could attempt. Anyone who clears it can get a job in any dept they want. For example a medical student working in Ministry of commerce.

Now the CSS might have changed, but back than it was very flawed.
Thus, when we had business owners being replaced with CSS workers who had no knowledge of how to run the industry, it failed.

Bhutto's Nationalism gets criticized alot, but people dont look deep into why it failed. Infact, under his socialism policy, the guy who belonged from a Feudal lord family ended up passing Land reforms where the acres were divded.

But, our corrupt still found ways to keep the land.

The country's problem is not corruption. The class difference is the problem. THe poor governance is the problem.
Funny thing is, even our poor are so fascinated with political protocols that when they come into governance they aswell get involved in nepotism and enjoying perks and showing off.

Meanwhile, the rich have no ounce of parwa as they themselves dont know the problems.

The country needs someone who has the guts to overthrow the system in place. Has the guts to keep the army in its place. A person that is hated by all the political spectrum but is loved by the Awaam. But even our awaam is gulable. The Army knows how to use propoganda against anyone they dont like. Thus, if army doesn't like, they will make a post on social media that you are anti Pakistan pro India.

The country can't change and is already doomed.
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Firstly Bhuttos nationalisation wasn't just bad, it was an absolute disaster and the consequences are with us today. Trillions spent on employing useless idiots that happen to work for the PPP and the Nooras. And How did you expect civil servants to run businesses, there is a reason why they don't have businesses and are just corrupt pen pushers. It's interesting that Bhutto socialism didn't extend to all the land or even any large holdings, i wonder who would have lost out?
If you are not in vulnerable category, your vaccination can wait and if they don't uphold their promise of providing free vaccines later then criticise then. The problem in PK is that not enough people want to pay taxes but you do want things to be available at cheap prices. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.
So to cover up your support for crooks you claim that Corruption isn't a problem, and then moan about all the reasons why its a problem. I think you are very confused. The reason why the mafia are so powerful is because they have Stolen trillions, with those trillions they buy elections, buy judges and destroy institutions. If you still Don't understand the pernicious nature of corruption then me educating you is a waste of time. I think you deserve everything you get.
 
Bewal Express said:
Firstly Bhuttos nationalisation wasn't just bad, it was an absolute disaster and the consequences are with us today. Trillions spent on employing useless idiots that happen to work for the PPP and the Nooras. And How did you expect civil servants to run businesses, there is a reason why they don't have businesses and are just corrupt pen pushers. It's interesting that Bhutto socialism didn't extend to all the land or even any large holdings, i wonder who would have lost out?
If you are not in vulnerable category, your vaccination can wait and if they don't uphold their promise of providing free vaccines later then criticise then. The problem in PK is that not enough people want to pay taxes but you do want things to be available at cheap prices. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.
So to cover up your support for crooks you claim that Corruption isn't a problem, and then moan about all the reasons why its a problem. I think you are very confused. The reason why the mafia are so powerful is because they have Stolen trillions, with those trillions they buy elections, buy judges and destroy institutions. If you still Don't understand the pernicious nature of corruption then me educating you is a waste of time. I think you deserve everything you get.
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:Facepalm: you need to relax and try to actually read my post.

The nationalization was a good thing and failed due to weak civil service and education system.

Its easy to blame everything on corruption. Corruption isnt problem, the problem is the poor governance and class difference.

You go to nadra and me aswell. Your cnic gets renewed in the same day as you pay fast processing fee, being a poor person has to wait as i dont have money to pay for fadt processing fee.
The fast prpcessing fee is not even illegal, its service thats ie provided for the rich.

Pakistans problem is this. What bhutto was trying to do was not allow the capitalism concept to come.

You are confusing nationalization with nepotism. The condept of nationalization could had saved this country if only the css system was strong or the people hired to run companies were businessman themselves.

Land reforms were on agriculture lands for obvious reasons.

Agriculture land does not get utilized to full capacity. Plus, it has been proven than when agriculture alnd gets dovided into smaller parts, it gets utilized more. The yield is more aswell.

Ayub khan started this and than bhutto reduce the land size even further.
 
Major said:
:Facepalm: you need to relax and try to actually read my post.

The nationalization was a good thing and failed due to weak civil service and education system.

Its easy to blame everything on corruption. Corruption isnt problem, the problem is the poor governance and class difference.

You go to nadra and me aswell. Your cnic gets renewed in the same day as you pay fast processing fee, being a poor person has to wait as i dont have money to pay for fadt processing fee.
The fast prpcessing fee is not even illegal, its service thats ie provided for the rich.

Pakistans problem is this. What bhutto was trying to do was not allow the capitalism concept to come.

You are confusing nationalization with nepotism. The condept of nationalization could had saved this country if only the css system was strong or the people hired to run companies were businessman themselves.

Land reforms were on agriculture lands for obvious reasons.

Agriculture land does not get utilized to full capacity. Plus, it has been proven than when agriculture alnd gets dovided into smaller parts, it gets utilized more. The yield is more aswell.

Ayub khan started this and than bhutto reduce the land size even further.
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Nationalization would have been terrible with or without a good civil service FACTS!!!

People hired from businesses woundt have any incentive to make the department work

they'd take bribes on would give two s*** about how the departments work cause there's no profit to make why would a business man care?
 
Man it failed in every major country throughout the globe with a good education system and good civil service
 
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Bigboii said:
Nationalization would have been terrible with or without a good civil service FACTS!!!

People hired from businesses woundt have any incentive to make the department work

they'd take bribes on would give two s*** about how the departments work cause there's no profit to make why would a business man care?
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Nope, if you have a proper govt in place with a proper structure, Nationalization would had reaped us benefits.

Today the sugar crises, medicine crises, petrol crises, flour crises, this all exists because our pvt investors are really strong. THey now hold the supply and control the price.

Back in the 70s, the wealth was in the hands of few people and Bhutto wanted to eliminate that. He wanted to redistribute the wealth and have the lower class shift towards the middle.

The profit making motive are all bookish talk that we all learn in classes. But countries like Canada where they have proper govt in place and with a structure are able to carry out their socialist govt properly.
Canada has got great health care services that exists due to Socialism.


Even Bhutto's nationalism did reap rewards early one, but our country was in deep issues. One thing that people who critisize BHutto dont know is that during Bhutto's govt there was a world wide recession, thus had he not carry out the nationalization, the coutnry would had suffered more.

At one side people critisize Nationalization of Bhutto than on the other side they critisize Nawaz Shareef and co.

Nawaz Shareef and co are powerful today because of the Ittehad Steeel mills. The same steel mills which was nationalized. The purpose being to keep the rich under control, distribute the wealth properly.

Today we see a corrupt powerful nawaz Shareef because of his capitalist background.
 
Major said:
Nope, if you have a proper govt in place with a proper structure, Nationalization would had reaped us benefits.

Today the sugar crises, medicine crises, petrol crises, flour crises, this all exists because our pvt investors are really strong. THey now hold the supply and control the price.

Back in the 70s, the wealth was in the hands of few people and Bhutto wanted to eliminate that. He wanted to redistribute the wealth and have the lower class shift towards the middle.

The profit making motive are all bookish talk that we all learn in classes. But countries like Canada where they have proper govt in place and with a structure are able to carry out their socialist govt properly.
Canada has got great health care services that exists due to Socialism.


Even Bhutto's nationalism did reap rewards early one, but our country was in deep issues. One thing that people who critisize BHutto dont know is that during Bhutto's govt there was a world wide recession, thus had he not carry out the nationalization, the coutnry would had suffered more.

At one side people critisize Nationalization of Bhutto than on the other side they critisize Nawaz Shareef and co.

Nawaz Shareef and co are powerful today because of the Ittehad Steeel mills. The same steel mills which was nationalized. The purpose being to keep the rich under control, distribute the wealth properly.

Today we see a corrupt powerful nawaz Shareef because of his capitalist background.
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In Canada they have billionaires
Their steel Mills are not nationalized
They allow private players in Electric industry


One of the most business innovative countries on the planet
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So even rn economically speaking GOP still has control of the economy than Canada forget the nationalization years of 70s

Canada is through and through a capitalist society with only a few things under gov control

How are these bookish the richest country on earth is one the most capitalistic countries on earth! How? Majority of it is privately owned from electric, health, prisons,

Mind boggling
 
Major said:
:Facepalm: you need to relax and try to actually read my post.

The nationalization was a good thing and failed due to weak civil service and education system.

Its easy to blame everything on corruption. Corruption isnt problem, the problem is the poor governance and class difference.

You go to nadra and me aswell. Your cnic gets renewed in the same day as you pay fast processing fee, being a poor person has to wait as i dont have money to pay for fadt processing fee.
The fast prpcessing fee is not even illegal, its service thats ie provided for the rich.

Pakistans problem is this. What bhutto was trying to do was not allow the capitalism concept to come.

You are confusing nationalization with nepotism. The condept of nationalization could had saved this country if only the css system was strong or the people hired to run companies were businessman themselves.

Land reforms were on agriculture lands for obvious reasons.

Agriculture land does not get utilized to full capacity. Plus, it has been proven than when agriculture alnd gets dovided into smaller parts, it gets utilized more. The yield is more aswell.

Ayub khan started this and than bhutto reduce the land size even further.
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On which planet do you live, it was a terrible policy which not only destroyed the private industry, it has cost trillions in wasted taxes. So not only are those people not paying taxes, those industries are using precious tax Rps. Good govts regulate, not run non essential industry. Seriously, your education missed the essential parts.
Corruption has destroyed the institutional framework for good governance. That is not even a debate amongst any literate people, never mind educated. Corruption misallocates and steal resources, it is the catalyst for poor governance. Its not rocket science to understand why all the mafia big wigs are in the Sugar industry and how the Industry is at the heart of corruption.
The Wadera would have killed Bhutto if he tried to take land from them, they are not into the niceties of democracy. Bhutto wasn't concerned about the division of land, he was concerned about not losing his land and his patrons. If he was a socialist then all the land had to be Nationalised and they could have created communes and alike.
 
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On which planet do you live, it was a terrible policy which not only destroyed the private industry, it has cost trillions in wasted taxes. So not only are those people not paying taxes, those industries are using precious tax Rps. Good govts regulate, not run non essential industry. Seriously, your education missed the essential parts.
Corruption has destroyed the institutional framework for good governance. That is not even a debate amongst any literate people, never mind educated. Corruption misallocates and steal resources, it is the catalyst for poor governance. Its not rocket science to understand why all the mafia big wigs are in the Sugar industry and how the Industry is at the heart of corruption.
The Wadera would have killed Bhutto if he tried to take land from them, they are not into the niceties of democracy. Bhutto wasn't concerned about the division of land, he was concerned about not losing his land and his patrons. If he was a socialist then all the land had to be Nationalised and they could have created communes and alike.
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What's the root cause of corruption

Gov regulations and nationalizations the more red tape you put in the more money you have to pump into the system making the businesses less profitable meaning less people hired meaning less money for the poor sections of the society

We try to reduce the red tape corruption will come down on it's own without the the anti corruption jihad which actually panics investors since corruption is part of the system and that's how they set up their businesses
 
In cpec they create special economic zones just so they can miss all the red tape buerocratic mess that rest of the country augers from
 
Bewal Express said:
On which planet do you live, it was a terrible policy which not only destroyed the private industry, it has cost trillions in wasted taxes. So not only are those people not paying taxes, those industries are using precious tax Rps. Good govts regulate, not run non essential industry. Seriously, your education missed the essential parts.
Corruption has destroyed the institutional framework for good governance. That is not even a debate amongst any literate people, never mind educated. Corruption misallocates and steal resources, it is the catalyst for poor governance. Its not rocket science to understand why all the mafia big wigs are in the Sugar industry and how the Industry is at the heart of corruption.
The Wadera would have killed Bhutto if he tried to take land from them, they are not into the niceties of democracy. Bhutto wasn't concerned about the division of land, he was concerned about not losing his land and his patrons. If he was a socialist then all the land had to be Nationalised and they could have created communes and alike.
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you really dont understand what agriculture land reforms are do you.

Like i said before, nationalization was needed, the economy was controlled by a few people and thats the problem Pakistan faces today. There is no wealth distribution. The economy even today is controlled by a few people. PMLN could literally decide to increase chicken rates or limit its supply and we will all of a sudden have huge increase in the price of chicken. This happens when your economy is controlled by few people.

Nationalization's failiure was the appointment of wrong people. But it saved the country from a lot damage that would had happened due to recession at the time
 
https://www.dawn.com/news/1615113/maryam-fazl-pause-political-activities-after-doctors-advise-rest

PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz and Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman have suspended their political activities for some days due to their health, the spokespersons of their respective parties said on Sunday.

PML-N spokesperson Marriyum Aurangzeb said that Maryam has "high fever and throat pain". The PML-N vice president has been advised by doctors to rest, added Aurangzeb.

Her test result for the novel coronavirus, however, was negative, said her political secretary Zeeshan Malik.

"Maryam Nawaz went to the Lahore High Court (LHC) despite being unwell," Aurangzeb said in a statement shared by the party's Twitter account.

Maryam has cancelled her political activities for the next four days. Maryam had appeared at the LHC on Wednesday for the hearing of her petition seeking pre-arrest bail in an illegal land acquisition case. She had been granted bail and directed to appear before the investigating officer of the National Accountability Bureau (NAB).

However, the bureau postponed Maryam's appearance at its Lahore office on March 26, citing the spread of the coronavirus.

Meanwhile, a spokesperson for the JUI-F said that Rehman has had fever for the last two days. He has also been advised to rest by doctors and is currently at his home in Dera Ismail Khan, the spokesperson shared.

"Maulana Fazlur Rehman's corona test report is negative. He has cancelled his political activities because he is unwell," he added.

Maryam and Fazl have been at the forefront of the opposition's Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM), which recently suffered a setback after differences appeared amid the alliance, particularly with the PPP over the Senate opposition leader.

Following the declaration of PPP Senator Yousuf Raza Gilani as the opposition leader of the upper house of parliament, Maryam alleged that PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari had offered a deal to the PML-N in a meeting of the PDM, purportedly backed by the establishment, of regime change in Punjab.

On the other hand, PPP Chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari said PML-N should not have expected PPP members to vote for its "controversial" candidate, Azam Nazeer Tarar.

Earlier this month, Prime Minister Imran Khan and first lady Bushra Bibi tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

Asfandyar Wali Khan, whose Awami National Party (ANP) is part of the 10-party opposition alliance, too tested positive for Covid-19. The ANP chief quarantined himself at Wali Bagh Charsadda while scheduled meetings of the party were postponed.
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Major said:
you really dont understand what agriculture land reforms are do you.

Like i said before, nationalization was needed, the economy was controlled by a few people and thats the problem Pakistan faces today. There is no wealth distribution. The economy even today is controlled by a few people. PMLN could literally decide to increase chicken rates or limit its supply and we will all of a sudden have huge increase in the price of chicken. This happens when your economy is controlled by few people.

Nationalization's failiure was the appointment of wrong people. But it saved the country from a lot damage that would had happened due to recession at the time
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I know more about these things than you ever will. Your elementary knowledge on nationalisation and its disastrous consequences shows you still don't get it. If Bhutto was worried about about crony capitalism, which no doubt has been problem in PK and it was also a problem in the Ayub era. The solution was anti trust legislation which places like America had even back then.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law
As far as agriculture is concerned,the Wadera system isn't commercial farming , its rent seeking. We have some of the most fertile land in the world and our agriculture is a mess. Bhutto didn't nationalise land because he and his fellow Wadera would have lost their power.
 
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What's the root cause of corruption

Gov regulations and nationalizations the more red tape you put in the more money you have to pump into the system making the businesses less profitable meaning less people hired meaning less money for the poor sections of the society

We try to reduce the red tape corruption will come down on it's own without the the anti corruption jihad which actually panics investors since corruption is part of the system and that's how they set up their businesses
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[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] failed to understand that nationalisation sounds good on paper but in reality unless you have the honesty and work ethic of the Scandinavians, it leads to inefficiency and in 3rd World countries, corruption. Its used as a cash cow by politicians for a life a luxury or reward supporters eg PSM,PIA etc.
Crony capitalism was a problem in the 60s and 70s and its a problem today with the Sugar,IPPs etc. Needs stronger legislation and more importantly institutions to enforce it.
 
Bewal Express said:
@<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=135038" target="_blank">Major</a> failed to understand that nationalisation sounds good on paper but in reality unless you have the honesty and work ethic of the Scandinavians, it leads to inefficiency and in 3rd World countries, corruption. Its used as a cash cow by politicians for a life a luxury or reward supporters eg PSM,PIA etc.
Crony capitalism was a problem in the 60s and 70s and its a problem today with the Sugar,IPPs etc. Needs stronger legislation and more importantly institutions to enforce it.
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Even in Sweden they aren't socialist they're pretty capitalist like the privatisation of gov departments

Here they say they're MORE free market than even the US

The only difference is they spend the tax dollars generated from private businesses on welfare programs

In terms of actual economy they're through and capitalists and when they were going the nationalization, socialist path their economy tanked
 
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2292907/pdms-internal-rifts-to-benefit-pti-govt-warns-bilawal

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has cautioned his disgruntled allies that internal rifts within in the opposition parties alliance — Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) — will benefit the ruling PTI.

“I will suggest PDM to take decisions with due diligence and patience… divide and rule is the strategy of non-democratic forces,” he said while addressing a press conference in Sindh’s Jacobabad district on Friday.

Bilawal restrained himself from responding to PML-N’s accusation of maintaining secret ties with the PTI-led government, saying: “We have cordial ties with Maryam Sharif and I don’t want to spoil them”.

However, he reminded the opposition parties that their internal fight will serve no purpose but to strengthen the incumbent regime.

“It will be in favour of PDM and democracy if we [opposition parties] continue to give tough time to the government in parliament,” he reiterated. The scion of Bhutto dynasty also wished quick recovery to PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz and JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman, saying he wanted them to resume their political activities at the earliest so that the movement to topple the PTI government gains momentum.

On the recent changes in the federal cabinet, Bilawal said despite changing three finance ministers in as many years, PTI government’s economic policies remained the same. “PTI designs economic policies to provide relief to rich and make poor suffer,” he maintained.

He said Prime Minister Imran Khan made his aide on petroleum Nadeem Babar a scape goat “for his own incompetence and corruption”.

The PPP chairman said the last year’s fuel crisis was a mega corruption scandal of this government and his party will raise this issue at all fora. “Imran Khan changes his cabinet members for mere face saving but we will not spare them.”

‘Free and fair elections across Pakistan, not just in Punjab’

Bilawal called on the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) to play its role to ensure free and fair elections across the country, and not just in Punjab.

"I am confident that our candidate from Jacobabad [Ijaz Jakhrani] will be declared a winner the next day if ECP blocks the government’s attempts to rig the election like it did in Daska by-poll," he said while speaking about upcoming by-election.

The PPP leader said the PTI-led government has rendered poor helpless due to its flawed and IMF-centric economic policies.

Bilawal said the country was “drowned into sea of inflation” even before the government entered into IMF loan progamme and lamented that even the war-torn country like Afghanistan’s economy was performing better than Pakistan. Responding to a question regarding Shaukat Tareen’s refusal to join government’s economic team due to National Accountability Bureau (NAB) case, Bilawal said his party had been advocating since the day one that NAB and economy cannot function together.

He said “NAB black law” was introduced by former military ruler general (retd) Pervaiz Musharraf for political engineering.

The PPP chairman also accused the anti-corruption watchdog of pressuring his party members to change their political loyalties.
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Five PDM parties to form separate bloc

The rift between two major opposition parties – the PML-N and the PPP – over the office of the Senate’s leader of the opposition deepened on Friday when five opposition parties, including the PML-N, agreed to form a separate bloc of 27 opposition senators in the upper house of parliament.

Serious differences emerged between the parties – both part of an anti-government alliance, the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) – after the PPP appointed its stalwart Yusuf Raza Gilani as Senate’s opposition leader, apparently in violation of what had earlier been agreed upon in a PDM meeting.

In a meeting held in Islamabad on Friday leaders of eight opposition parties agreed that “show cause notices” should be issued to the PPP and the ANP for disregarding the PDM’s decision, said sources.

They said the parliamentary leaders of the eight parties decided that the show cause notices should be issued with the approval of PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman.

Sources said the eight parties have decided to first give a chance to the PPP and the ANP to explain their position and if they couldn’t satisfy then they will be expelled from the alliance.

They said the parties have also agreed to hand over the leadership of the new bloc to Senator Azam Nazir Tarar, PML-N’s candidate for the position of Senate opposition leader.

Late on Friday night, five opposition parties in the Senate – PML-N, JUI-F, PkMAP and BNP-Mengal – announced that they will form a separate opposition bloc in the Senate.

According to the official statement, the meeting also decided to approach the PDM chief for seeking a clarification from the PPP and ANP “why did they take vote from BAP – the Balochistan Awami Party”.

The BAP is considered to be a brainchild of the security establishment which the PDM blames for the current political morass. While agreeing to send the matter to the PDM chief, it said, the newly-formed opposition bloc questioned the PPP and the ANP as to “why did you cooperate with the government?”

The new bloc also demanded that the PDM chief seek an explanation from the PPP and the ANP as to why they violated the principles and decisions of the PDM. The five parties hoped that Maulana Fazlur Rehman would seek a formal explanation from the PPP and the ANP in this regard.

Gilani was notified as opposition leader after some smaller opposition parties – including ANP, Jamaat-e-Islami and the BAP – threw their weight behind him.

“You were so desperate for this petty office that you accepted votes from BAP,” PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz had said addressing the PPP a few days ago.

“I don’t think this is the defeat of the PDM, including the PML-N. In my assessment it is the defeat of those who compromised on their principles for a petty office.

“Leader of the opposition holds no value. It is the pettiest gain. If you were so desperate, then you should have asked [PML-N leader] Nawaz Sharif and he would not have refused,” she had added.

The PPP leadership has maintained that they tried to approach Nawaz Sharif to persuade him to change the PML-N candidate – Azam Nazir Tarar – but former finance minister Ishaq Dar, who is with Sharif in London turned down the request.

“Zardari Sahib called and asked me to discuss with Mian Sahib that the opposition leader’s seat should be given to Gilani Sahib,” Dar recently told The Express Tribune, adding that he told Zardari that “it’s not possible because the PDM has already decided about it.”

“Besides,” Dar said, “it wasn’t appropriate to give Mian Sahib a new message from you [Zardari].”

The six-month old anti-government alliance gave a tough time to the ruling PTI when the PDM’s joint candidate Gilani defeated former finance minister Dr Abdul Hafeez Shaikh in March 3 Senate elections despite lacking numbers on the papers.

This defeat had forced Prime Minister Imran Khan to take a vote of confidence from the assembly.

The government had, however, made a comeback after it defeated Gilani and JUI-F’s Maulana Ghafoor Haideri in the election for Senate chairman and deputy chairman.

Cracks appeared in the PDM after Zardari disagreed with the PML-N’s and the JUI-F’s suggestion to tender resignations from assemblies before starting a long march against the government and demanded that Nawaz Sharif should first return to Pakistan.

Later, a war of words started between the PML-N and the PPP, which soon devolved into use of harsh language and hurling of allegations, leaving the PDM in shambles.

Meanwhile, addressing a news conference in Jacobabad after meeting local PPP leaders and workers, PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari said that his party will soon convene a meeting to discuss the matter.

He said many people from the party had advised him that history has shown the two parties did not get along and it will be a tough nut to crack.

"It has been my effort, however, over the last three years, for us to work together with all parties for the benefit of democracy.

"I will put forth the same point in the CEC meeting [...] we do not want this government to benefit out of any infighting between opposition parties," Bilawal said.

He said that it was a "great victory" with the PDM dealing the government a defeat for the first time in the last three years.

"And there can be no greater defeat, than the prime minister losing in his own constituency," the PPP chairman said, referring to Yousuf Raza Gilani winning the Islamabad Senate seat, with the government candidate Abdul Hafeez Shaikh losing by a margin of six votes.

"It would have been in the interest of PDM (Pakistan Democratic Movement) and democracy to have focused more on this victory and taken it forward to give this regime a tough time, so that the people who are suffering, can see that the opposition is at least united in the view that the government has to go and a true representative of the people brought," Bilawal said.

He wished JUI-F and PDM chief, Maulana Fazlur Rehman, as well as PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz, both of whom were reported to have taken ill, a speedy recovery.

Bilawal said he does not wish to comment on his ties with Maryam — which he insisted are still "good" — lest some remark of his affects the situation.

He added that he does not think Fazlur Rehman is cross with anyone, or that he would show preference to one party over the other.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2292966/five-pdm-parties-to-form-separate-bloc
 
https://www.dawn.com/news/1616208/bilawal-calls-upon-opposition-parties-to-unite-against-govt

PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari lamented on Saturday that the PPP was the only political party opposing the incumbent government and called upon the members of the opposition to cast differences aside and unite against the government.

Bilawal, while addressing a press conference in Khairpur, said it had been the "good luck" of the government and Prime Minister Imran Khan that the opposition didn't move a motion of no-confidence against him after the government's defeat in the election for the Islamabad Senate seat.

"Sadly, from the Senate elections up until now, only the PPP has been opposing the government and the PTI's puppet system whether that is in Punjab or the federation.

"The rest of our friends in the opposition, they're doing opposition with the opposition (PPP)," said Bilawal, adding that only Prime Minister Imran Khan was benefitting from this lack of unity among the opposition and it was the opposition's failure that it couldn't expose "Imran Khan's effort to snatch the independence of the state bank [and] couldn't expose Imran Khan's hypocrisy as far as Kashmir is concerned".

"We should keep our small and minor issues aside [and] should focus on opposing the government. This was the PPP's effort since the first day and I believe the entire opposition's focus should be on this puppet government."

Bilawal reiterated that it was the PPP's desire to do opposition together with other political parties, which is why the basis for the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) had been laid down on September 20, 2020.

"I know that it is the propaganda and effort of some parties — a wrong effort — to present the PPP in such a way that we did some deal [with the establishment].

"But you know PPP's past. We don't do this kind of politics, and I think that we should not hurl such accusations at each other."

He said that within the PPP too there were questions and doubts raised by some members about the different parties in the PDM but no attention was given to such voices because "that increases conflicts."

"We choose to focus on what we agree on and we should choose also to agree to disagree."

The PPP chairman said engaging in accusations was not "in the favour for any party of the opposition" which is why he resisted from responding to any of them. "Otherwise you know we can give befitting answers for everything."

He hoped that PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman would recover soon as he had a "very important role to play as the leader of the PDM".

"He [Fazl] has a very important responsibility to keep his allies together and he does not take side of one party and I know that Maulana is a very senior politician, he has experience and he won't allow small differences in opinions of parties to deal damage to his alliance."

Bilawal urged the PML-N to exhibit strength and a "cool temperament".

"We are happy when PML-N wins any by-election so PML-N should also be happy on PPP's success and we shouldn't deal damage to such a grand purpose for which we've collected because of small jealousies."

He said the aim of the PDM was for democracy to flourish, to ensure free and fair elections and protection of the people.

"These goals carry more importance than our small jealousies so I hope today too that Maulana as PDM president will play an impartial, serious and responsible roll in creating unity amongst the opposition".

The PPP chairman also said his party would talk and engage with whoever the PML-N nominated to be its leader and it did not want to be involved in any fight.

He said the PML-N held important positions of leader of the opposition in the National Assembly and the Punjab Assembly so a contact would need to be maintained with them while engaging in parliamentary politics.
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ISLAMABAD: Diffe*rences within the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) on Saturday almost reached a point of no return when two major parties — the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) — accused each other of damaging the opposition’s unity with clandestine support of the establishment and sought an explanation over it.

In what appears to be a reaction to Friday’s meeting of the five of PDM’s component parties in Islamabad, the PPP on Saturday announced postponement of its Central Executive Committee (CEC) meeting convened in Karachi on Monday to discuss the issue of en masse resignations from assemblies.

In a statement, PPP secretary general Nayyar Bokhari said party chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari had postponed the party’s CEC meeting due to the sessions of the two houses of parliament on the day. As the government had convened the Senate session on Monday and the National Assembly was already in session, “most members of the PPP’s CEC would not be able to attend the meeting”, he said.

Political experts, however, believe that by making the sessions of the two houses of parliament an excuse for the CEC meeting postponement, the PPP has in fact sent a clear message about playing its role in the parliament to the parties that are in favour of en masse resignations from the assemblies.

The opposition party said that instead of serving not*ices (on PPP and Awami National Party) for allegedly violating the PDM’s decision on the issue of the nomination of the opposition leader in the Senate, the five parties were required to give an explanation for holding a “secret meeting” in which they decided to form a new alliance on the opposition benches in Senate.

“What was the purpose of convening the secret meeting of the PDM? The meeting of the opposition parties against the opposition parties is like facilitating the government,” said PPP information secretary Faisal Karim Kundi in a video message.

“Those who are used to hold secret meetings under the darkness of night have now started convening secret sessions (of the alliance),” said Mr Kundi while indirectly accusing the PML-N and the JUI-F of having the covert support of the establishment.

“Those people are accusing the PPP of striking a deal who are habitual of going abroad after striking deals. Everyone knows that who is still hoping for a deal and wants to go abroad,” said Mr Kundi in his statement released by the PPP media office hours after Mr Bhutto-Zardari addressed a news conference in Khairpur to highlight need for opposition unity in order to oust the “puppet” rulers.

In a separate statement, another PPP office-bearer MNA Shazia Marri said if the PML-N wanted to bring a charge-sheet against the PPP, “then we also have a charge-sheet against the PML-N.” Since the opposition parties had formed the alliance against the government, the PML-N would have to explain using PDM platform against the opposition parties, she added.

“Why the PML-N is still sitting in the assemblies if resignations from assemblies were necessary?” she asked. The PML-N, which was still not ready to resign from the assemblies without PPP consent, announced that the opposition’s alliance would be run without PPP support, she said.

Refuting the allegations that Mr Gilani got Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) support under some kind of a deal, she said those senators were elected as independents. She termed it a “childish attitude” of the PML-N to try to prove the independents belonged to the BAP. She recalled that former minister and PML-N leader Ishaq Dar had admitted that the PPP had consulted the PML-N leadership for consensus on Mr Gilani’s name.

Ms Marri asked the PML-N to explain as to how its senators returned unopposed in Punjab in the Senate election and how it facilitated the ruling Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) to get seats from the province. She also sought an apology from the PML-N over the defeat of PDM’s candidate Farhatullah Babar due to its alleged support to the PTI candidate in the KP Assembly.

She said the PPP and the ANP would raise the issue of calling a “secret meeting of certain parties of the alliance” in the upcoming PDM meeting. “We will ask from PDM chief Maulana Fazulur Rehman why opposition alliance is being used against the opposition parties and at whose behest a conspiracy has been hatched against the long march by demanding resignations from assemblies,” she said.

Bilawal’s presser

Earlier, the PPP chairman had told a presser in Khairpur that Maulana Fazlur Rehman had “a very important responsibility to keep his allies together” by not taking side of one party. “Sadly, from the Senate elections up until now, only the PPP has been opposing the government and the PTI’s puppet system whether that is in Punjab or the federation. The rest of our friends in the opposition, they are doing opposition with the opposition,” said Mr Bhutto-Zardari while calling upon them to unite against the government. “I know that it is the propaganda and effort of some parties, a wrong effort, to present the PPP in such a way that we did some deal. But you know PPP’s past. We don’t do this kind of politics, and I think we should not hurl such accusations at each other,” he said.

“We are happy whenever the PML-N wins a by-election so the PML-N should also be happy on PPP’s success and we shouldn’t deal damage to such a grand purpose for which we’ve collected because of small jealousies,” he added.

PML-N Senator Musaddik Malik denied that they had decided to charge-sheet the PPP and the ANP. He, however, said that in their Friday’s meeting they had decided to question the two parties as to why they violated the PDM decisions.

Mr Malik said the Friday meeting could not be called a PDM meeting. He said it was a meeting of the opposition senators who were affected by the PPP’s decision to unilaterally nominate Mr Gilani as the Senate opposition leader and that too, with the support of BAP, which was a part of the ruling alliance.

“It was a meeting of the affected senators,” he said.

Mr Malik said they were not ready “to accept Senate chairman, deputy chairman and even the opposition leader all from BAP.”

Asked why the PML-N was not resigning from the assemblies, Mr Malik said such a move would not help them prove the present regime an illegitimate one. Saying that the option of resigning from the assemblies was still available to them, he said, the PML-N believed that if a large party sitting on the opposition benches would not come out of the assemblies, then there would be no use of this option.

After levelling serious allegations and demanding apologies from each other, leaders of the two parties, however, have now put the whole burden on PDM president and JUI-F chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman, saying that it is now his responsibility to keep the opposition united.

Responding to a question, Mr Malik said when Maulana Fazlur Rehman would call the PDM meeting and if he invited the PPP and if the PPP decided to attend it, then it would have an opportunity to explain its stance.

Published in Dawn, April 4th, 2021
 
As the rifts between the two major opposition parties deepened, the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) on Monday issued a show-cause notice to Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and the Awami National Party (ANP).

PDM Secretary-General and former premier Shahid Khaqan Abbasi said that by issuing show-cause notices, PDM has sought clarification from both parties over the recent issue of taking votes from the government-aligned Balochistan Awami Party (BAP).

The government-aligned party is considered to be a brainchild of the security establishment which the PDM blames for the current political morass.

On April 3, it was reported that five opposition parties, including the PML-N, agreed to form a separate bloc of 27 opposition senators in the upper house of parliament.

Gilani was notified as Senate opposition leader after some smaller opposition parties – including ANP, Jamaat-e-Islami and the BAP – threw their weight behind him.

Prior to the Upper House meeting, a meeting of independent opposition parties was held in the opposition leader's chamber in the National Assembly under the chairmanship of Senator Azam Nazir Tarar.

Senators from PML-N, JUI, PK Map, National Party and BNP-Mengal had attended.

Apart from Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, Mushahid Hussain Syed, Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Haideri, Tahir Bizenjo, Musaddiq Malik, Kamran Murtaza, Maulana Atta-ur-Rehman and others participated.

Chairman Senate Sadiq Sanjarani also attended the meeting and called on the Senators of opposition parties.

On the other hand, another meeting was held in the chamber of the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate under the chairmanship of Yousuf Raza Gilani in which the proceedings of the meeting were discussed.

PPP’s reacts to show-cause notice

Former premier Gilani said that the PDM had issued show-cause notices to the PPP, but the party had not given a response yet, but would comment on it later.

Later, during the Senate session, Gilani said that the Senate is a very important house of the Parliament.

“Under the 1973 constitution, this house was formed to end the sense of deprivation in small provinces. If this sense of deprivation had been eradicated first, the fall of Dhaka would not have happened,” he said.

He added that he did not know how difficult it was to contest the elections as a senator as he had been contesting for NA before.

“I contested the Senate election with the help of PDM. It is very difficult to become a senator,” he said. “Our aim is to give relief to the people, we have come for the public interest, it is our duty to represent the people, and the difference of opinion is part of democracy.”

He added that the opposition has to work together and if the government has difficulty then will become their voice as well.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
Where are you and which of the 2 selected will you back. Your not going to run again are you? It's as if you are following NS quite literally
 
The inevitable has happened. The Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) decided on Monday to give up all the offices in the Pakistan Democratic Alliance (PDM), virtually putting an end to its seven-month association with the 11-party alliance.

The decision was taken by PPP’s Central Executive Committee in a two-day meeting where the party’s stalwarts had gathered to pore over a “show-cause” notice issued by the PDM to the PPP following a recent row over the elections to the Senate top slots.

The PPP’s decision – which came days after the ANP parted ways with the alliance – has dealt the death blow to the opposition’s efforts to oust the PTI government.

The curial CEC meeting, presided over by Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, rejected the “show-cause notice” issued to the party over garnering support of the Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) for Yousaf Raza Gilani for opposition leader in the Senate.

“The show-cause is aimed at giving us dictation. There is no precedent about issuing such notices to any party during the movement in the past; therefore, we demand of the PDM leadership to tender an apology for serving the show-cause notice to the PPP and ANP,” Bilawal told a post-CEC presser.

“Politics is done on the basis of dignity and equality. The situation is totally reverse here. Instead of giving a tough time to the government, the opposition is fighting with own members, giving relief to the puppet government,” he said.

“The CEC expresses serious concern over the conduct of the PDM senior leaders who issued the show-cause notices to the PPP and the ANP. This never happened in any of the past movements for restoration of democracy; therefore, we have decided to resign from all positions in the PDM.”

Bilawal told reporters that after the “show-cause fiasco”, the ANP announced its decision to part ways with the PDM and alleged that some people in the alliance wanted to hijack the PDM.

Asked about his party’s future association with the 8 remaining opposition parties in the PDM, he said: “My party will remain part of the PDM in order to continue” the struggle against the PTI government. “The PPP is the founding member of the PDM, how can it part ways with the alliance!”

About en masse resignations from the assemblies, Bilawal reiterated that it was “atom bomb” which should be used as a last resort. “Our party’s position is clear, we will not resign from the assemblies,” he added.

“This was, this is, and this will be our principled stance,” he added. “Whoever wants to resign from the assemblies, please go ahead! We will not stop you, but please don’t dictate another party or impose a decision,” he added.

The PPP chairman also mentioned the “unilateral decision” taken by the PML-N and the JUI-F in contravention of the PDM policies.

“We never ever thought and expressed concern when the PML-N evolved a consensus with the PTI and PML-Q in Punjab to elect its senators unopposed. The JUI-F supported PPP’s rival in the Larkana by-polls,” he said.

The PPP chairman recalled the past PDM meetings where the PML-N, the JUI-F and some other parties were unwilling to contest the by-polls and the Senate elections. “The PTI would have won all the seats if we had boycotted the by-polls,” he said.

He was of the view that his party would not backtrack on the movement against the PTI government and would stand by the ANP. “Our doors are open for those parties who are against the PTI government and struggling for the rule of law and good governance in Pakistan,” he said.

Bilawal also shed light on the last PDM meeting where his party was asked to tender resignation from the assemblies. “I want to know why the condition of en masse resignations was suddenly put forward and it was linked to the proposed long march, causing a big loss to the PDM movement,” he said.

The PDM leadership would have to decide whether they want to challenge the government and the establishment or compete with the PPP. “Today, we have decided in principle that our struggle against the PTI and its government will continue till its logical end.”
 
Rana Sana Ullah threatening the families of Civil Servants

The Nooras have been caught red handed fraudulently fiddling with land records in Lahore again and this time part of Jati Umra has been found to be built on Govt land. The Nooras they have no answer and now they are openly threatening the civil servants. And some idiots still think the Nooras arent a mafia party, FOR ME they have and always will be a party of criminals. If Rana the Qatil is part of this party then its time this Party also went the way of the TLP
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]
[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]


https://www.24newshd.tv/17-Apr-2021/govt-to-file-case-against-rana-sana-on-terror-charges
 
RAWALPINDI/ LAHORE: Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Fawad Chaudhry has announced that terrorism case will be registered against PML-N leader Rana Sanaullah.

Chaudhry was speaking to the media in Rawalpindi on Saturday. He said that Sanaullah had threatened the Punjab chief secretary, commissioner and other government officers a day earlier and a case would be registered against him under the Anti-Terrorism Act, for which instructions have been given.

No one can be allowed to threaten a government official and their family, Chaudhry said, adding that if someone wanted to play politics, they had to do so within the limits of the Constitution.

Pakistan's state is not a weak state at all, Chaudhry said, adding that the state's writ cannot be challenged.

He said people who threaten the government sometime become interested in becoming like the founder of the Muttahida Quami Movement.

Chaudhry clarified that there will be no more insulting talk about institutions and no more threats to government officials.

If someone blackmail institutions, he said, they will have to face action.

When asked about the the ban on TLP, Chaudhry said that the ban on TLP was a decision of the government and now the TLP was finished.

Meanwhile, Federal Education Minister Shafqat Mahmood, too, spoke to the media about the TLP in Lahore on Saturday.

Speaking about the nationwide protests by the religio-political group, Mahmood expressed said police officers were tortured and property was damaged.

He opined that matter could have been resolved through negotiations.

The federal minister said more than 600 police personnel were injured in the protests.

Daily routine across the country had been disrupted over the last few days as supporters of a religio-political party took to the streets and staged sit-ins and violent protests in major cities.

At least three people lost their lives, including two policemen, during the ensuing skirmishes between protesters and law enforcement agencies. Hundreds of policemen were injured in attacks by the protesters, some seriously.

On Friday, the interior ministry had directed the telecom regulator to shut social networking sites from 11am till 3pm in a bid to maintain law and order in the country.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/345798-pm...oked-under-anti-terrorism-laws-fawad-chaudhry
 
MenInG said:
RAWALPINDI/ LAHORE: Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Fawad Chaudhry has announced that terrorism case will be registered against PML-N leader Rana Sanaullah.

Chaudhry was speaking to the media in Rawalpindi on Saturday. He said that Sanaullah had threatened the Punjab chief secretary, commissioner and other government officers a day earlier and a case would be registered against him under the Anti-Terrorism Act, for which instructions have been given.

No one can be allowed to threaten a government official and their family, Chaudhry said, adding that if someone wanted to play politics, they had to do so within the limits of the Constitution.

Pakistan's state is not a weak state at all, Chaudhry said, adding that the state's writ cannot be challenged.

He said people who threaten the government sometime become interested in becoming like the founder of the Muttahida Quami Movement.

Chaudhry clarified that there will be no more insulting talk about institutions and no more threats to government officials.

If someone blackmail institutions, he said, they will have to face action.

When asked about the the ban on TLP, Chaudhry said that the ban on TLP was a decision of the government and now the TLP was finished.

Meanwhile, Federal Education Minister Shafqat Mahmood, too, spoke to the media about the TLP in Lahore on Saturday.

Speaking about the nationwide protests by the religio-political group, Mahmood expressed said police officers were tortured and property was damaged.

He opined that matter could have been resolved through negotiations.

The federal minister said more than 600 police personnel were injured in the protests.

Daily routine across the country had been disrupted over the last few days as supporters of a religio-political party took to the streets and staged sit-ins and violent protests in major cities.

At least three people lost their lives, including two policemen, during the ensuing skirmishes between protesters and law enforcement agencies. Hundreds of policemen were injured in attacks by the protesters, some seriously.

On Friday, the interior ministry had directed the telecom regulator to shut social networking sites from 11am till 3pm in a bid to maintain law and order in the country.

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It's an absolute nonsense that anyone can threaten so openly and the Govt just talks. He should have been taken into custody and locked up and locked up with this thug should the entire LHC.
 
And is Govt taking action agaisnt Rana Sanaullah? PMLN is a piece of craap party
 
Fazl, Shehbaz agree to convene PDM session by May end

PESHAWAR/ LAHORE: Jamiat Ulema Islam- Fazl (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) President Shehbaz Sharif agreed on Monday to convene a session of the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) by the end of May.

According to Express News, the agreement was reached during a telephonic conversation between the PDM president and the leader of the opposition in the National Assembly.

During the conversation, the two opposition leaders held detailed consultations about the political situation in the country.

Fazl would soon announce the final date of the PDM session after contacting the other leaders in the anti-government alliance.

Serious differences emerged between the parties after the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) appointed its stalwart Yusuf Raza Gilani as Senate’s opposition leader, apparently in violation of what had earlier been agreed upon in a PDM meeting.

Both the Awami National Party (ANP) and the PPP parted their ways with the alliance last month.

Five opposition parties including the PML-N agreed to form a separate bloc of 27 opposition senators in the upper house of parliament.

Earlier, leaders of eight opposition parties agreed that “show cause notices” should be issued to the PPP and the ANP for disregarding the PDM’s decision, said sources.

They said the parliamentary leaders of the eight parties decided that the show cause notices should be issued with the approval of PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman.

Sources said the eight parties have decided to first give a chance to the PPP and the ANP to explain their position and if they couldn’t satisfy then they will be expelled from the alliance.

On April 4, the PPP – announced a raft of decisions to further undermine its usefulness as deterrence against the government.

Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari said that some PML-N members might have been finding it difficult to swallow the news of the nomination of Gilani’s as opposition leader in the Senate.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2300193/fazl-shehbaz-agree-to-convene-pdm-session-by-may-end
 
Amid attempts to bring back PPP and ANP into the PDM's fold, Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shahbaz Sharif on Friday said that no party has the right to kick out another from the alliance.

The PML-N president was addressing a press conference in Islamabad alongside PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman after the two met today ahead of tomorrow's much-awaited meeting of the alliance.

"No party has the right to bring or kick another party out [of the allaince]. PDM is a forum and decisions are taken with consensus," said Shahbaz when asked about the PPP and ANP.

He also explained to reporters that when the consultations are completed and a decision is taken then the president of the alliance announces the future course of action.

When the reporters pressed the PML-N president about his stance on the two parties return, he clarified that he does not have a "personal opinion" and what he says is always the party's "opinion".

The former Punjab CM also shared with the media personnel the agenda for tomorrow's PDM meeting. He said that meeting that will be chaired by Maulana Fazlur Rehman will discuss the country’s political situation.

Shahbaz said the alliance will also discuss the budget that will be presented by the PTI government next month and the situation in Afghanistan.

'PDM had no link with dinner for Opposition'
The PML-N president also clarified on the PPP's invite to the dinner party held for the Opposition by him.

Shahbaz said that his party had invited parliamentary leaders of all opposition parties to the dinner and the "PDM had no link with it".

"We had invited parliamentary heads in NA and Senate and as I am the leader of the opposition and it was my responsibility," said Shahbaz. He also added that the dinner was held to discuss how the Opposition could adopt a "joint strategy" against the government ahead of their budget and exposed their "massive failures in all areas" in Parliament.

The Opposition leader then slammed that ruling party for their "failures", saying that they speak about the state of Madina everyday but do not implement "anything".

Meanwhile, PDM President Fazl said that the Shahbaz had arrived at his residence to inquire about his health.

The former Punjab CM's arrival at the PDM chief's residence was expected.

Earlier today, it was reported that Shahbaz and Fazl would meet to discuss the strategy and future course for the Opposition alliance.

The PDM is scheduled to hold an important meeting of party chiefs tomorrow and take important decisions on whether the PPP and the ANP will be taken back into the alliance's fold or not.

Fazl will host Shahbaz and the others for dinner tonight where the two discussed the PDM's strategy for the coming days and the PPP, ANP's possible inclusion into the alliance.

Read more: PDM may invite PPP, ANP back to alliance after Eid

On the other hand, as per reports, PPP Chairperson Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is also establishing contacts with PDM parties. The PPP chairperson recently went to Dubai where he met Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) chief Akhtar Mengal.

The PML-N president has been focusing his efforts on bringing the PPP and the ANP back into the PDM fold to put pressure on the government once again.

According to veteran Geo News anchor and journalist Shahzeb Khanzada, the gulf in the PML-N leadership seems to be widening over the party's narrative and other issues.

Khanzada said during his show ‘Aaj Khanzada Kay Sath’ that the group in the party being led by Maryam wants to move forward with her father's narrative.

On the other hand, another group that favours Shahbaz's stance of reconciliation is backing the younger Sharif's stance of reconciliation with the PPP and the powers that be, to win the general elections 2023.

Read more: Fazl initiates attempts to bridge gap between PPP, PDM, say sources

Another bone of contention between the two leaders is, as per sources, the issue of the PPP leaving the PDM. Shahbaz has taken exception to the rigid stance adopted by Maryam and former prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi on the issue.

As per sources, Shahbaz had been displeased over how the issue was handled and wondered why the PPP was pressurised if it was not in favour of resigning from the assemblies.

PPP, ANP can rejoin PDM if they apologise: Fazl
Earlier this week, Fazl had said the PPP and ANP can rejoin the alliance if they apologised to the PDM for going against its decisions.

The PDM chief's comments came during his meeting with PML-N President and Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shahbaz Sharif at the latter's residence in Lahore on Tuesday.

Read more: PPP to attend Shehbaz Sharif's dinner party for opposition parties

Fazl, addressing a press conference after the meeting, said both parties — PPP and ANP — had been given sufficient time to get back to the PDM leadership, but they have not done so.

"There are currently no proposals to invite PPP and ANP at the PDM meeting on May 29," he had said. However, during the meeting, the leaders will decide the future of PPP and ANP in the alliance.

The fallout
On April 6, the ANP, and on April 11, the PPP had parted ways with the PDM after the latter served it a show-cause notice — as PPP had gotten Yousuf Raza Gilani appointed as the leader of the Opposition in the Senate, going against PDM's decisions, and ANP supported it.

PPP was asked to explain its move to get appointed its candidate, Gillani, as Leader of Opposition in Senate, without first obtaining the consent of parties of the Opposition alliance.

ANP, on the other hand, was issued a notice for supporting the PPP in its efforts to get Gillani designated by roping in senators from the government's ally Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) to complete the numbers required.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/352371-sh...-conference-in-islamabad-ahead-of-pdm-meeting
 
MenInG said:
Amid attempts to bring back PPP and ANP into the PDM's fold, Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shahbaz Sharif on Friday said that no party has the right to kick out another from the alliance.

The PML-N president was addressing a press conference in Islamabad alongside PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman after the two met today ahead of tomorrow's much-awaited meeting of the alliance.

"No party has the right to bring or kick another party out [of the allaince]. PDM is a forum and decisions are taken with consensus," said Shahbaz when asked about the PPP and ANP.

He also explained to reporters that when the consultations are completed and a decision is taken then the president of the alliance announces the future course of action.

When the reporters pressed the PML-N president about his stance on the two parties return, he clarified that he does not have a "personal opinion" and what he says is always the party's "opinion".

The former Punjab CM also shared with the media personnel the agenda for tomorrow's PDM meeting. He said that meeting that will be chaired by Maulana Fazlur Rehman will discuss the country’s political situation.

Shahbaz said the alliance will also discuss the budget that will be presented by the PTI government next month and the situation in Afghanistan.

'PDM had no link with dinner for Opposition'
The PML-N president also clarified on the PPP's invite to the dinner party held for the Opposition by him.

Shahbaz said that his party had invited parliamentary leaders of all opposition parties to the dinner and the "PDM had no link with it".

"We had invited parliamentary heads in NA and Senate and as I am the leader of the opposition and it was my responsibility," said Shahbaz. He also added that the dinner was held to discuss how the Opposition could adopt a "joint strategy" against the government ahead of their budget and exposed their "massive failures in all areas" in Parliament.

The Opposition leader then slammed that ruling party for their "failures", saying that they speak about the state of Madina everyday but do not implement "anything".

Meanwhile, PDM President Fazl said that the Shahbaz had arrived at his residence to inquire about his health.

The former Punjab CM's arrival at the PDM chief's residence was expected.

Earlier today, it was reported that Shahbaz and Fazl would meet to discuss the strategy and future course for the Opposition alliance.

The PDM is scheduled to hold an important meeting of party chiefs tomorrow and take important decisions on whether the PPP and the ANP will be taken back into the alliance's fold or not.

Fazl will host Shahbaz and the others for dinner tonight where the two discussed the PDM's strategy for the coming days and the PPP, ANP's possible inclusion into the alliance.

Read more: PDM may invite PPP, ANP back to alliance after Eid

On the other hand, as per reports, PPP Chairperson Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is also establishing contacts with PDM parties. The PPP chairperson recently went to Dubai where he met Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) chief Akhtar Mengal.

The PML-N president has been focusing his efforts on bringing the PPP and the ANP back into the PDM fold to put pressure on the government once again.

According to veteran Geo News anchor and journalist Shahzeb Khanzada, the gulf in the PML-N leadership seems to be widening over the party's narrative and other issues.

Khanzada said during his show ‘Aaj Khanzada Kay Sath’ that the group in the party being led by Maryam wants to move forward with her father's narrative.

On the other hand, another group that favours Shahbaz's stance of reconciliation is backing the younger Sharif's stance of reconciliation with the PPP and the powers that be, to win the general elections 2023.

Read more: Fazl initiates attempts to bridge gap between PPP, PDM, say sources

Another bone of contention between the two leaders is, as per sources, the issue of the PPP leaving the PDM. Shahbaz has taken exception to the rigid stance adopted by Maryam and former prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi on the issue.

As per sources, Shahbaz had been displeased over how the issue was handled and wondered why the PPP was pressurised if it was not in favour of resigning from the assemblies.

PPP, ANP can rejoin PDM if they apologise: Fazl
Earlier this week, Fazl had said the PPP and ANP can rejoin the alliance if they apologised to the PDM for going against its decisions.

The PDM chief's comments came during his meeting with PML-N President and Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shahbaz Sharif at the latter's residence in Lahore on Tuesday.

Read more: PPP to attend Shehbaz Sharif's dinner party for opposition parties

Fazl, addressing a press conference after the meeting, said both parties — PPP and ANP — had been given sufficient time to get back to the PDM leadership, but they have not done so.

"There are currently no proposals to invite PPP and ANP at the PDM meeting on May 29," he had said. However, during the meeting, the leaders will decide the future of PPP and ANP in the alliance.

The fallout
On April 6, the ANP, and on April 11, the PPP had parted ways with the PDM after the latter served it a show-cause notice — as PPP had gotten Yousuf Raza Gilani appointed as the leader of the Opposition in the Senate, going against PDM's decisions, and ANP supported it.

PPP was asked to explain its move to get appointed its candidate, Gillani, as Leader of Opposition in Senate, without first obtaining the consent of parties of the Opposition alliance.

ANP, on the other hand, was issued a notice for supporting the PPP in its efforts to get Gillani designated by roping in senators from the government's ally Balochistan Awami Party (BAP) to complete the numbers required.

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Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman said on Saturday that the PPP and the Awami National Party (ANP) were not discussed during today's meeting, adding that it was not a topic for which more time could be spared.

Addressing a press conference in Islamabad after an hours-long meeting — flanked by PML-N President Shehbaz Sharif, PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz and other prominent PDM figures — Rehman said: "We didn't discuss anything in this regard. They're not with us, that is why we didn't focus [on them]."

He was responding to a question from a reporter on whether the PDM deliberated on the PPP and the ANP rejoining the movement. The PDM chief added that the two parties had time to inform the alliance of their intentions.

"But the PDM can't spend anymore time on this topic in future sessions," he said.

When Maryam was questioned about PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif's stance regarding the topic, she replied: "His stance was the same as the one Maulana sahab expressed in front of you today.

"Don't drag out a non-issue again and again and try to make it into something. We have said what we wanted to say about that," she said.

During the press conference, Rehman also said the PDM had rejected the government's "biased" electoral reforms and termed it a "scheme for pre-poll rigging" . He also announced a fresh wave of anti-government protests in the country.

"The meeting has demanded that the Election Commission of Pakistan, which is constitutionally responsible for conducting free and fair polls, immediately calls a session of all political parties to devise a package on electoral reforms which can be presented in parliament."

The meeting also decided that legal action would be taken against the "PTI government's corruption and unconstitutional measures" for which a team of legal experts was being formed with Advocate Azam Nazeer Tarar as its convener and Advocate Kamran Murtaza as its co-convener, he said.

The PDM chief also announced the schedule for public rallies in the upcoming months, beginning with a demonstration in Swat on July 4. This will be followed by a rally in Karachi on July 29 and then another in Islamabad on August 14, he said, adding that the alliance would also show solidarity with the Kashmiris and the Palestinians.

Rehman said that the PML-N will host a seminar for all political parties on the upcoming budget, the responsibility of which had been given to Shehbaz. "The purpose of the seminar will be to give a tough time to the government and to establish unity on the budget," he said.

"The PDM strictly condemns the attacks on journalists and media persons, and expresses complete solidarity with the community," he said, adding that the PDM leadership would also visit the homes of the affected journalists to express their sympathy, naming Asad Ali Toor and Absar Alam in particular.

Rehman also hit out at the government's operations against encroachments and alleged that in the name of removing encroachments, the properties and livelihoods of shop owners were being taken over to "create plazas".

"This situation is unacceptable and the PDM will stand side-by-side with the oppressed."

Commenting on the regional security situation, the PDM chief said that parliament should be taken into confidence and a session should be called where facts should be provided to the nation.

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PPP chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari said on Sunday that there was no benefit to the PPP and Awami National Party (ANP) becoming part of the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) if the alliance did not return to and implement its action plan.

Speaking to reporters in Charsadda with ANP leaders, Bilawal said it would have been better if the PDM's action plan — which had been signed by its 10 member parties — had been followed which had called to use democratic, political and parliamentary options to confront the PTI-led government inside and outside the parliament.

"If we had used those weapons then [Prime Minister] Imran Khan's government would not have survived in Punjab and the Centre. We couldn't form a consensus on that and we think our time is better spent on focusing on the issues of the people," the PPP chairman said, adding that the action plan had also set term limits for PDM's officeholders.

"There is no benefit to us becoming a part of the PDM [again] until we don't return to that action plan and the PDM doesn't act on its points."

Bilawal, who was accompanied by ANP central vice-president Ameer Haider Khan Hoti, said the PPP and ANP had resigned from the PDM platform after the alleged misbehaviour of some of its officeholders and following that, "we have not at any point in time expressed any desire to return to the alliance formerly known as the PDM."

Hoti also affirmed that the PPP and the ANP had a "very important role" to play in the current political landscape and both parties would continue to perform it from the opposition benches in consultation with their allies on a number of issues.

Their comments came after a PDM meeting on Saturday (yesterday) which was attended by many of the alliance's major bigwigs. PDM chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman had said after the meeting that the PPP and the ANP had not been discussed during the meeting, adding that it was not a topic for which more time could be spared.

"They (PPP and ANP) are not with us, that is why we didn't focus [on them]," he had said, adding, however, that they still had time to inform the alliance of their intentions.

Speaking about yesterday's meeting, Bilawal said he hadn't seen "clarity" in regards to any strategy or programme. "Perhaps they are a victim of confusion and division and we want that we don't show this confusion and contradiction at least in the parliament and together use our vote against this 'PTIMF' budget," he added.

Bilawal said the political parties which were clear in their vision, political action, strategy, message and programme could more effectively give a tough time to and oppose the government.

He remarked that despite the PPP and ANP not being present in yesterday's meeting, "the PPP's policy is continuing today as well. Today too they (the remaining PDM parties) are not resigning and they talk about giving a tough time to the government in the parliament together, so we think we can have positive feelings for one another, wish everybody good luck and everybody has the right to do the politics of opposition in accordance with their manifesto and ideology."

The PPP chairman said it would not seem appropriate to utter "bad things about one another" after spending time together doing politics, adding that both the PPP and the ANP saw other political parties with respect.

He emphasised that members of the opposition might not be sitting in the same room but they had a consensus on many points, held mutual positions, considered the ruling PTI government responsible for the nation's difficulties and condemned the recent attacks on journalists.

"As far as the government's stance on the economy is concerned, we think that stance is based on lies and the witness for our stance is the nation of Pakistan. The people of Pakistan can tell you that the economy is not progressing; they're facing historic inflation, unemployment and poverty [...] so the economy you and we all see day and night in Pakistan is going from bad to worse."

He also hit out at the government's foreign policy, saying an irresponsible role by Pakistan could have dire implications for the country and the region and "we hope that any decisions will be taken with consultation for the benefit of this region."
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LAHORE: Those disembarking the train mistakenly must reconsider their decision, Pakistan Democratic Movement President Maulana Fazlur Rehman said Tuesday in a reference to the PPP and ANP leaving the opposition alliance.

He spoke to the media during his visit to the families of the deceased leaders of his party Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-F, Muhammad Idrees Uppal, Hafiz Abubakar Sheikh and Hafiz Riaz Durrani.

"PDM’s journey towards the destination of complete restoration of the rule of law and constitution is continuing," he said, adding that it was no matter that "some travellers had disembarked from the vehicle mistakenly".

“There are times in a journey when a vehicle slows down or stops for a while, and some travellers leave it mistakenly. We only ask those who made a mistake of leaving the PDM caravan that they should reconsider their decision and continue to be part of the great struggle for ensuring the supremacy of law and constitution in the country,” he said.

Those leaving the PDM are not the target of the alliance, he said, adding that the alliance will move forward with the power of the masses to ensure supremacy of the law and constitution.

He reiterated that PDM’s struggle would continue till it got rid of the "illegitimate, corrupt and the biggest failure" government in the country’s history.

PDM will hold public meetings in Swat, Islamabad and Karachi soon.

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