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Will Umar Amin play for Pakistan again?

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With two middle order positions soon to be open in the test team , does umar amin have a chance to grab one? One position will definitely be taken by babar azam. For the second position the contenders are haris sohail , fawad alam , saud shakil (?) and Umar Amin. I don't think that fawad alam will be picked by the selectors again. So the real tussle will be between Haris , Umar and shakil.


in the last two FC seasons Umar Amin has scored 1651 runs @ 48 every with 5 tons and 10 50s. Saud shakil is still young at FC level and averages impressive 55 despite being manhandled by the captain of the team he plays for. Haris is making a comeback and it is yet to be seen whether he will be good enough.
 
If we are to become one of the best teams in cricket, he must.

Every top team needs at least 1-2 world class bats. Who do we have? None. Static feet pre-meditators like Shehzad and Rizwan can't do anything.

Then there's Azhar with his awkward batting technique where he can't play fluent strokes.

Umar Amin is that guy who can be our dynamic stroke-maker at the top of batting order. Either as an opener or in the top 4.

He's been doing great in domestic cricket - topping the charts of premier domestic tournaments against our best bowlers. He was only given a handful of chances spanning over 5 years.

About time Inzi takes a good look at CLH - I'm sure as soon as he sees :amin, he'll draft him in. You need to have that eye to spot talent.

Spreadsheet obsessed can stay away. Or, they can look at recent domestic tournaments where Amin was on top.
 
I hope I never see him in our team.He is undoubtedly the worst batsman to come out of Pakistan.



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The only thing good about Umar Amin is that when he plays his strokes, he looks comfortable and looks natural as a batsman unlike people like Shehzad or Azhar Ali. However, it is the mental block that has held him back. His performances really don't back any reason for him to be selected. Really needs to improve on the numbers. Surprising out of the 3 - Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq and Umar Amin who debuted roughly around the same time Umar Amin is the one who never really kicked on. He was at the time the most promising of the lot.
 
I really hope not.

He was flattered by his average of 12.37 in four Tests in England in 2016.

He is the worst foreign batsman I have seen tour England for at least 40 years.

He made Salman Butt look like Garry Sobers and he made Imran Farhat look like Graeme Pollock.
 
It is unfortunate that most of educated players in Pakistan don't seem to have the mental fortitude to play cricket at the highest level. Amin is one such example. If he is to ever make a comeback, he will need to work on his mental conditioning so that he avoids playing shots that get him into trouble.
 
Junaids said:
I really hope not.

He was flattered by his average of 12.37 in four Tests in England in 2016.

He is the worst foreign batsman I have seen tour England for at least 40 years.

He made Salman Butt look like Garry Sobers and he made Imran Farhat look like Graeme Pollock.
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All that for a mighty average of 16 in 4 Test against England by Butt. The 2 Tests that both played against England, Amin's score were 2, 1, 23, 14 ............ Butt's 1, 8, 7, 0.

Gary Sobers was slightly better in comparison though.
 
The ship has sailed for umar amin, fawad alam, nasir jamshed and hamad azam!

Umar akmal, shehzad and harris sohail's ship is about to leave the dock!

Sami aslam, Babar azam, saud shakeel and jaahid are the newbies that PCB will invest in, i think.
 
Should be given a final go at opening in odi, if he doesn't perform then he should say good bye to his international career.
 
Not a fan of Amin necessarily, but he has done really well in domestic of late in FC. Maybe open with him in tests? He should tour with Pak A and go from there.

I think he is overrated but we have holes and he has only performed at home.
 
Most pak players are mentally weak.
my proposal to sieve out the weak and feeble from the mentally strong would be a survival test, an extension of the boot camp the players attended before this series.
you would select possible pak player by their domestic performances and based on their skills and technique, just like you do now, but the final test would be a fitnest boot camp followed by each player taken individually in a helicopter and dropped of in the middle of the jungle with only a radio and a tracker and some basic survival equipment e.g. knive ,compass etc.
you will tell them that you will come back to pick them up in a week!
If they bottle it, they can radio in and be rescued.
But if they last the 7 days then they will be selected for the pak team.
 
zoro said:
Most pak players are mentally weak.
my proposal to sieve out the weak and feeble from the mentally strong would be a survival test, an extension of the boot camp the players attended before this series.
you would select possible pak player by their domestic performances and based on their skills and technique, just like you do now, but the final test would be a fitnest boot camp followed by each player taken individually in a helicopter and dropped of in the middle of the jungle with only a radio and a tracker and some basic survival equipment e.g. knive ,compass etc.
you will tell them that you will come back to pick them up in a week!
If they bottle it, they can radio in and be rescued.
But if they last the 7 days then they will be selected for the pak team.
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Do you think that, it'll help them battling it like the 9th Aussie pair last night, with one seriously handicapped by hamstring injury. Or say hold on to a skyer, that has a stake of WC Semi-final?

It's a game of skills, where you get mentally tough in match condition - competing everyday with a fellow professional with opposite skill, a human who also has a mind to think & counter plan to out smart you.

I think, the solution is much, much simple & easy.
 
MMHS said:
Do you think that, it'll help them battling it like the 9th Aussie pair last night, with one seriously handicapped by hamstring injury. Or say hold on to a skyer, that has a stake of WC Semi-final?

It's a game of skills, where you get mentally tough in match condition - competing everyday with a fellow professional with opposite skill, a human who also has a mind to think & counter plan to out smart you.

I think, the solution is much, much simple & easy.
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Bro, i said that a pre-requisite that the player has to have the skills to play international cricket. Also, you are correct that mentally strong players get match tough playing against the best.

But, if you read articles by top sportstars, alot say that they is very little difference in skill of the top players, what makes the difference is mental toughness.

Whats stopping umar being as good as kohli?
Umar is more skillful( dont laugh guys, its true) than kohll but kohli is mentally tough.
So we need to weed out the weak from the strong and this survival test will certainly do that!
Obviously, i dont think PCB will ever implement such a thing but if i was in charge, then boys get yor rucksacks ready!

By the way, if you think im crazy, then let me tell you this, the ausies iirc did a survival type test just a few years ago!
 
Most likely

All he needs is a middling season and he will be back.

He has a lot of backing in the PCB.

He was supposed to be the next Pakistan captain.
 
He might play Test cricket in the future, he has done well in F/C lately.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. Do you think we should try him as an opener in odi's?
 
zoro said:
Bro, i said that a pre-requisite that the player has to have the skills to play international cricket. Also, you are correct that mentally strong players get match tough playing against the best.

But, if you read articles by top sportstars, alot say that they is very little difference in skill of the top players, what makes the difference is mental toughness.

Whats stopping umar being as good as kohli?
Umar is more skillful( dont laugh guys, its true) than kohll but kohli is mentally tough.
So we need to weed out the weak from the strong and this survival test will certainly do that!
Obviously, i dont think PCB will ever implement such a thing but if i was in charge, then boys get yor rucksacks ready!

By the way, if you think im crazy, then let me tell you this, the ausies iirc did a survival type test just a few years ago!
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Everything agreed - even in corporate, we do lots of team building exercise. But, everything else is secondary - 1st is a competitive domestic system, where top 125-150 players, filtered & accumulated from a granular system would fight each other on different surfaces in front of cheering home & booing away crowd in a tournament with matches played for effective duration - for me, 7 hours & 105 overs/day, for 4 days.

Take this recent T20 Regional tournament - very good initiative. However, top 25 PAK players re not playing, neither any foreigners. So, what'll happen is there'll be few players smashing all around the park & few bowlers knocking 2/3 every match .............. and we'll be murmuring - Pakistan may talent bohut hai. Reality is, these players won't stand 15 minutes under pressure situation, neither would be able to put 3 balls at one spot when an equal competitor is charging at them.

I reserve my comments on Virat vs Umar statement.
 
MMHS said:
Everything agreed - even in corporate, we do lots of team building exercise. But, everything else is secondary - 1st is a competitive domestic system, where top 125-150 players, filtered & accumulated from a granular system would fight each other on different surfaces in front of cheering home & booing away crowd in a tournament with matches played for effective duration - for me, 7 hours & 105 overs/day, for 4 days.

Take this recent T20 Regional tournament - very good initiative. However, top 25 PAK players re not playing, neither any foreigners. So, what'll happen is there'll be few players smashing all around the park & few bowlers knocking 2/3 every match .............. and we'll be murmuring - Pakistan may talent bohut hai. Reality is, these players won't stand 15 minutes under pressure situation, neither would be able to put 3 balls at one spot when an equal competitor is charging at them.

I reserve my comments on Virat vs Umar statement.
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I think i am not explaining myself well here.
im not talking about getting players upto international standards or improving the domestic system to help players to get upto int standards.
Im simply talking about being mentally strong for those players who are of international standard. E.g. misbah and younis(in tests) have shown there mental strength as opposed to say hafeez and umar akmal who have been in my opinion generally, mentally weak!
This survival test is not there to improve players ability but simply to distinguish the weak from the strong, so that we dont waste years on weak minded players and concentrate on the strong minded players!
 
zoro said:
I think i am not explaining myself well here.
im not talking about getting players upto international standards or improving the domestic system to help players to get upto int standards.
Im simply talking about being mentally strong for those players who are of international standard. E.g. misbah and younis(in tests) have shown there mental strength as opposed to say hafeez and umar akmal who have been in my opinion generally, mentally weak!
This survival test is not there to improve players ability but simply to distinguish the weak from the strong, so that we dont waste years on weak minded players and concentrate on the strong minded players!
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I understand from where you are coming. But, you are trying to use that survival exercise as a selection tool of players; which doesn't work. What I am suggesting is a proper filter from where you can pick 35 top players, then make them toughen through all those survival Tests, team building exercises - finally filter out the toughest 20. That's more or less universal - even for WC, teams are allowed to name 35 players by March, then the final 23 by 31st May.

At the moment, I am not sure anyone in PAK has any clue of whom, where & how good their 1st 20, back-up 20 & best upcoming 20 are.
 
He could have targeted a spot in shorter formats .

For that he needs to work on his bowling , and target batting all rounder spot.
 
MMHS said:
I understand from where you are coming. But, you are trying to use that survival exercise as a selection tool of players; which doesn't work. What I am suggesting is a proper filter from where you can pick 35 top players, then make them toughen through all those survival Tests, team building exercises - finally filter out the toughest 20. That's more or less universal - even for WC, teams are allowed to name 35 players by March, then the final 23 by 31st May.

At the moment, I am not sure anyone in PAK has any clue of whom, where & how good their 1st 20, back-up 20 & best upcoming 20 are.
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I'm saying EXACTLY what you've written above!

Select the players from domestic(improve domestic system asap)

Then use the survival test to find out which out of these is mentally tough and invest in them. So you dont waste your time on the skillful but mentally weak!

Anyway, doesnt matter as its never gonna be implemented. It was just out of the box idea!
 
I had a dream, Pakistan was playing India in the finals of the 2019 World Cup. India scored 315-8 first innings IIRC, and we were chasing but were 53-3 in 9 overs, then I turned off the TV. I came back after a few hours and Umar Amin had scored 137 and taken us to victory, spoke crisp English in the post match as well.

This guy is special, wish we brought him to England, was the 3rd highest scorer in the QEA cup so would've been on merit.
 
Suleiman said:
I had a dream, Pakistan was playing India in the finals of the 2019 World Cup. India scored 315-8 first innings IIRC, and we were chasing but were 53-3 in 9 overs, then I turned off the TV. I came back after a few hours and Umar Amin had scored 137 and taken us to victory, spoke crisp English in the post match as well.

This guy is special, wish we brought him to England, was the 3rd highest scorer in the QEA cup so would've been on merit.
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I had amazingly an almost identical dream, only diffeence was i, zoro, scored 137 runs to take pak to victory and not umin.
Both yours and my dream have an equal chance of occuring in reality! Your a smart guy, i'll let you work out the odds.
 
I feel that when he made his debut against England, with our batting already failing and Jimmy swinging it miles, he lost all his confidence and to this day he couldn't recover it.

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Moiza said:
I feel that when he made his debut against England, with our batting already failing and Jimmy swinging it miles, he lost all his confidence and to this day he couldn't recover it.

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I distinctly remember amin trying to pull /slog of the first few deliveries he faced and getting caught deep midwicket. Very similar shot to his namesake akmal, but akmal usually has scored 30 somethng runs by then, as opposed to amin's single digit score.
 
He deserves a place in test lineup now and I'm sure he has matured enough to cement his place. I think he's at par, if not better than Babar Azam.
 
Hasan123 said:
Have you seen him bowl? He has played some decent knocks but his batting is predictable and his bowling is all over the place.
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I'm talking about batting average. It's higher than Amin. Isn't it?

Not discussing Anwar Ali's skill set in this thread.
 
Well he's certainly at the back of the que for middle order batsman as quiet a few are knocking on the door who deserve their chance. Amins problem was whenever it mattered or people expected a performance from him he failed. PSL was another example of how far behind he is from being a complete article.

His batch mates became established international players , Umar Akmal, Shehzad, Azhar, Shafiq etc. Now there is another 2 batch of talented players that are infront of him in the line.
 
Yes, if he works on his bowling, can be an ok to decent bowler. As an all rounder, I will select him.

As a batsman, he can play as an opener for us in T20Is.
 
Hopefully never again.

Thoroughly mediocre batsman and a real shame Haris did not get more opportunities instead of this hack from 2010-2013.

Should go back to domestic cricket and stay there....
 
msb314 said:
Hopefully never again.

Thoroughly mediocre batsman and a real shame Haris did not get more opportunities instead of this hack from 2010-2013.

Should go back to domestic cricket and stay there....
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Good point, also, we should have invested in Haris instead of Azhar Ali way back in 2012, in Test cricket.
 
sunnykhan said:
I'm talking about batting average. It's higher than Amin. Isn't it?

Not discussing Anwar Ali's skill set in this thread.
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Amin can still bat better than Shahzeb Hasan even if he is blind folded and one hand tied behind his back.
 
Suleiman said:
I had a dream, Pakistan was playing India in the finals of the 2019 World Cup. India scored 315-8 first innings IIRC, and we were chasing but were 53-3 in 9 overs, then I turned off the TV. I came back after a few hours and Umar Amin had scored 137 and taken us to victory, spoke crisp English in the post match as well.

This guy is special, wish we brought him to England, was the 3rd highest scorer in the QEA cup so would've been on merit.
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This is the key point - absolutely crucial towards turning our ODI fortunes around.

Need a top English speaker to stand up for the foreign adverseries! :moyo
 
Scored a 156 off of a 146 balls for Punjab in yesterdays Pakistan Cup game. Umar Akmal and Salman Butt in the same team and both got out on a duck.
 
He's youngish, carries on doing well he will get a call up eventually
 
I hope he is selected and played in the top order and not at 6 or 7 as Misbah made him bat.


He also needs some sort of psychological coaching that helps him grow a spine and not be timid when under pressure.
 
Hopefully not
He's rubbish
Don't care about his 100s against poor sides
 
Syed1 said:
I hope he is selected and played in the top order and not at 6 or 7 as Misbah made him bat.


He also needs some sort of psychological coaching that helps him grow a spine and not be timid when under pressure.
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He is rubbish. 5 or 6 years ago, once asked moyo who he thinks is the next best upcoming bat. Without hesitation, Umar Amin he replied. If someone isn't able to settle in domestic level 6 years on and not score consistently then how on earth is he even considered a talent... one has to ask the question that why is he even in the domestic team!!

There was another thread where someone questioned why Sarfraz wasn't picking him for Quetta... the answer is simple, he knows Amin is rubbish and not deserving of a place in the squad let alone team.
 
I hope he scores few more hundreds on the trot to shut his critics and make a comeback to the ODI side and Tests...
 
Eagle_Eye said:
He is rubbish. 5 or 6 years ago, once asked moyo who he thinks is the next best upcoming bat. Without hesitation, Umar Amin he replied. If someone isn't able to settle in domestic level 6 years on and not score consistently then how on earth is he even considered a talent... one has to ask the question that why is he even in the domestic team!!

There was another thread where someone questioned why Sarfraz wasn't picking him for Quetta... the answer is simple, he knows Amin is rubbish and not deserving of a place in the squad let alone team.
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so asad shafiq is a gr8 T20 batsmen? really? ... sarfraz was basically "yah dosti hum nahi bholienga" mode.. his fellow karachi-men..
 
Umar Amin and Fawad Alam are 2 players who have been really hard done by selectors... had he got as many chances as waste Umar Akmal, Ahmad Selfi and Asad Gilly Shafiq got in LOI , he would be a def pick in the team by now...

2 good LOI openers if sharjeel doesnt get in would be Umar Amin n Hussain Talat... if sharjeel comes in i would put Talat @ 4
 
Obstructing_the_field said:
so asad shafiq is a gr8 T20 batsmen? really? ... sarfraz was basically "yah dosti hum nahi bholienga" mode.. his fellow karachi-men..
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Asad is a batsman .... international quality, whilst Amin is not even proven quality at domestic and when did he become a t20 player? Don't go round blaming sarfraz, he had good reason to discard Amin. Infact I respect him for doing so.
 
He has dropped a few steps in the pecking order. Didnt make much of the few opportunities he got - no one else to blame.
 
I have been calling it for a while now.

I was in Pakistan and the day before I left I spoke to him and you could tell how passionate he was and how badly he wanted to score runs in this tournament.

Forget Haris Sohail, Play the real CLH at 4
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
I have been calling it for a while now.

I was in Pakistan and the day before I left I spoke to him and you could tell how passionate he was and how badly he wanted to score runs in this tournament.

Forget Haris Sohail, Play the real CLH at 4
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Agree... play fawad alam at 4!
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
I have been calling it for a while now.

I was in Pakistan and the day before I left I spoke to him and you could tell how passionate he was and how badly he wanted to score runs in this tournament.

Forget Haris Sohail, Play the real CLH at 4
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Don't you think he should be batting on top 3.

You should've given him suggestion to open for side he plays for.
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
I'm actually fine with that in test.

Fawad has no place in LOI however
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And Amin does .... on the basis of what? A nice looking cover drive?

by adding garbage players is not going to improve but infact weaken it.
 
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Eagle_Eye said:
And Amin does .... on the basis of what? A nice looking cover drive?

by adding garbage players is not going to improve but infact weaken it.
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Lets talk about cricket and keep your personal grudge aside, for a change. He just scored a marvelous 150 plus score and look what words you're using , this is not cricket.
 
I think he should play as an opener for Pakistan as we are lacking pretty much in that department.
 
I really hope he plays 2 more innings of 80+ in this Pakistan Cup and he will knock on the door. I see Inzi flinching if he knocks on the door. I think he can make a decent opener. He likes to express himself, its tricky against the new ball in England but he has a much better technique then Sharjeel.

U Amin
U Akmal
Babar
Hafeez
Malik
Sarf
Imad
Shadab/Yamin
Amir
Hasan
Junaid

Shadab/Yamin
Haris
Rumman/Fahim
Talat/Saad

This will make a pretty decent CT squad. Not sure both Shadab and Imad can feature in the same XI in England, if we need a seam-up all-rounder it has to be Yamin. Appreciate the K Akmal experiment but at 35 - he's not going anywhere, plus a liability in the field. U Akmal will be a more effective option as an opener, he seems to have shed a few pounds and is alot more useful in the field, ofcourse he needs to warrant his spot in the on going PC. Shehzad and Azhar Ali have a very similar issue with strike-rate opening in LOI's, Shehzad's aggressive approach is a myth - the man struggles to maintain anything higher than 75 as a strike rate, I think he can still form a decent test opening pair with Azhar or even Sami Aslam for that matter. Really hoping Haris, Talat and Saad Ali shine during the PC, maybe a surge of lefties is the way forward :uakmal
 
If he has a good Pakistan cup he will make the next LO squad. Hope he can find a way into the test team as well.
 
Umar Amin is an elegant version of Imran Farhat.
Plenty of preferential treatment, low bar for selection, and undeserved comebacks to the team.
I truly hope he actually earns his spot this time. The first match was a start
 
i always think he is a quality player who plays attractive cricket but his soft dismissals are infuriating. the fact that he is not given a chance in psl and player like asad is preferred over him reeks of either favoritism or the fact that he is not rated by his peers.

would not mind him in the team. a massive upgrade over the blue eyed super duper mega star who thinks that the world is always against him or the aged electric leaping super fit super sonic catch dropping machine that we have right now.
 
Fawad Alam my definite first choice.
Babar Azam
Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Fawad Alam
Sarfraz Ahmed
These five would make a strong middle and lower order for Pakistan and can take them far. If Haris Sohail can make a return to his old form, I would add him in too (promoting either Azhar or Babar to open, if not both). Imad Wasim is another option, his bowling would be useful especially in UAE conditions.
As for Umar Amin, don't want him back in the team. He wasn't far off the 2010 match fixing scandal along with Wahab Riaz, Kamran Akmal and Umar Akmal, so would be hard to trust him.
Again any youngsters should be included if they consistently performing in domestic
 
Two spots opened up in middle order

Three strong candidates:

Umar Amin
Usman Salahuddin
Haris Sohail
Should we Fawad too
 
I will take him over TTFs like Akmals and Shehzad in a hearbeat. Can open the batting in LOs.
 
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