Will you take the vaccine for Covid-19?

[Robert]

Was you friend double vaccinated?

There is no conclusive evidence Covid cause heart failure. They should just add every symptom possible to mankind to Covid symptoms. Heart failure is increasing, numerous athletes are falling to this. They were all vaccinated.

Since you have a lot of information, please tell me the numbers of those infected while being vaccinated? Deaths too.

You are welcome to adapt but freedom is a key human right. UK will follow eventually. Atm they are trying to scare people with this new variant which isn't serious.

Europe has a long standing issue with a fascist mindset. Thankfully we have a lot of young people who don't hold on to the we are Great nation, more civilised etc. They are smart enough to know you should be careful taking orders or listening to those who help the rich, their friends and vote to bomb innocent women and children.

Ive not had any symptoms to this day, not vaccinated and never will be. Yet many I know who are have fallen sick.

My friend contacted COVID before the vaccines became available. Ten month later he is still short of breath, experiences constant headaches and seems to shut down at work periodically before “rebooting”.

British Heart Foundation says that 50% of all COVID patients presenting to hospital have heart abnormalities and 15% have severe abnormalities indicating that severe COVID illness will translate into a lot of extra heart attacks.

Infected while vaccinated? Unsure what you mean. An infected person would be turned away at the vaccination centre to avoid risk to staff and people queuing for their jabs.

Hard to say how many vaccinated infected people die as the situation is changing all the time. AstraZenica was in the summer offering 94% protection from death or serious illness once infected, though this dropped when Delta emerged. The booster should offer good protection against Delta. Some people will still die but we are losing 150 people per day now instead of the 2000 a day we were losing in January so it’s fair to say that the vaccines are saving 1800+ British lives every single day.

Not much data on Omicron yet - it might be even more contagious yet less fatal.

Hmm, fascism in Europe lasted only about a dozen years. Since WW2 liberal democracy has triumphed. But there is a balance to be drawn between individual liberty and public safety. How far should our freedoms be curtailed to make us safe from terrorists? Should lawful shooters give up their guns because a madman murders kids in a school? Each country decides where that line is drawn.

I disagree about the young people - the advent of social media had made their generation profoundly ill-informed and subject to conspiracy theory.

 

[Robert]

Oh and [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] - the German AWB (fascists) are antivax and anti mask. They are all about racial purity and therefore buy into this altered DNA nonsense.

 

[Robert]

Pro vaxxers will claim that you would have died with covid if you didnt take the vaccine. But overwhelming cases of Covid in healthy younger people are not fatal, with or without the vaccine

No, we would claim (based on evidence) that his chance of dying or getting hospitalised are radically reduced.

We would also claim that his infectivity window was shorter so he gave COVID to fewer people before his immune system KO’d the virus.

 

[James]

I think this discussion is very wide ranging and I am unsure of all of the facts, but there does seem to be a clear breaking of the link between positive covid tests and people ending up in hospital/dying when the vaccine take up is prevalent in a population — from the data that I have seen thus far.

Everyone knows I am against vaccine passports and vaccine mandates of course and I have made that very clear.

 

[James]

BBC: statement from the co-creator of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

<b>Sarah Gilbert — Next pandemic could be more lethal than Covid.</b>

Future pandemics could be more lethal than the current Covid crisis, one of the creators of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine has warned.

Prof Dame Sarah Gilbert, delivering the 44th Richard Dimbleby Lecture, said there needed to be more funding for pandemic preparedness to prevent the advances made from being lost.

She also warned vaccines could be less effective against the Omicron variant.

Dame Sarah added that people should be cautious until more was known about it.

She said: "This will not be the last time a virus threatens our lives and our livelihoods. The truth is, the next one could be worse. It could be more contagious, or more lethal, or both.
"We cannot allow a situation where we have gone through all we have gone through, and then find that the enormous economic losses we have sustained mean that there is still no funding for pandemic preparedness," she added.

"The advances we have made, and the knowledge we have gained, must not be lost."
Speaking about the Omicron variant, she said its spike protein contained mutations known to increase the transmissibility of the virus.

"But there are additional changes that may mean antibodies induced by the vaccines, or by infection with other variants, may be less effective at preventing infection with Omicron.
"Until we know more, we should be cautious, and take steps to slow down the spread of this new variant."

However, Dame Sarah said reduced protection against infection and mild disease would not necessarily mean reduced protection against severe illness and death.

She also called for the rapid progress seen in delivering vaccines and medicines during the pandemic to become the norm.

There was no reason why a universal flu jab could not be developed in order to wipe out the threat from influenza, she said.

On Saturday, the government announced that travellers heading to the UK will now have to take a Covid test before their departure in an effort to limit spread of the Omicron.

From 04:00 GMT on Tuesday travellers aged 12 and over will be required to show proof of a negative PCR or lateral flow test taken no earlier than 48 hours before departure.

And Nigeria has now been added to the travel red list after a growing number of Omicron cases were linked to the country.

But a scientist advising the government said the travel rule changes were "a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted".

Prof Mark Woolhouse said the new rules had come too late to make a "material difference" to a potential wave of the Omicron variant in the UK.

Prof Woolhouse, a member of the government's Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (Spi-M), told the BBC's Andrew Marr show that Omicron was "spreading pretty rapidly" in the UK, and if current trends here and in South Africa continued in the coming weeks and months, it could replace Delta as the world's dominant strain.

The UK recorded 86 new cases of the Omicron variant on Sunday, taking the total so far to 246. In total, 43,992 cases and 54 deaths within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test were recorded on Sunday.

Dame Sarah - who was recognised with a damehood in the Queen's Birthday Honours earlier this year - began designing a coronavirus vaccine in early 2020 when Covid first emerged in China.

The Oxford-AstraZeneca jab is now the most widely used around the world, with doses sent to more than 170 countries.

The lecture, named after the late broadcaster, Richard Dimbleby, features influential speakers from academia, arts and business and the Royal Family.

 

[Robert]

Booster jab appointment moved forward to tomorrow.

 

[Stewie]

All the fringers, conspiracy theorists, right wingers, populists, racists or race purists, etc have this in common, they are mostly overwhelmingly anti vaxxers.

Funny thing is they are all that way for their own reasons, which are very different from each other, haha, or in some ways very similar because they all think some “bogey” g man is out to get them. Whether it’s altering DNA, microchip, making them impotent, or susceptible to brain washing/brain conditioning, using 5G or 9H technology, whatever the heck is popular these days.

 

[KingKhanWC]

My friend contacted COVID before the vaccines became available. Ten month later he is still short of breath, experiences constant headaches and seems to shut down at work periodically before “rebooting”.

British Heart Foundation says that 50% of all COVID patients presenting to hospital have heart abnormalities and 15% have severe abnormalities indicating that severe COVID illness will translate into a lot of extra heart attacks.

Infected while vaccinated? Unsure what you mean. An infected person would be turned away at the vaccination centre to avoid risk to staff and people queuing for their jabs.

Hard to say how many vaccinated infected people die as the situation is changing all the time. AstraZenica was in the summer offering 94% protection from death or serious illness once infected, though this dropped when Delta emerged. The booster should offer good protection against Delta. Some people will still die but we are losing 150 people per day now instead of the 2000 a day we were losing in January so itÂ’s fair to say that the vaccines are saving 1800+ British lives every single day.

Not much data on Omicron yet - it might be even more contagious yet less fatal.

Hmm, fascism in Europe lasted only about a dozen years. Since WW2 liberal democracy has triumphed. But there is a balance to be drawn between individual liberty and public safety. How far should our freedoms be curtailed to make us safe from terrorists? Should lawful shooters give up their guns because a madman murders kids in a school? Each country decides where that line is drawn.

I disagree about the young people - the advent of social media had made their generation profoundly ill-informed and subject to conspiracy theory.

I meant how many have been infected by the virus after being fully vaccinated?

Recent reports are saying more than half of those with Omicron are fully vaccinated. Reason why they re looking for new vaccine. Remember the first person to be shown having omicron was fully vaccinated.

Fascism in Europe is old, it was colonial for hundreds of years. Which is why they used to behead Africans and put them on stakes. Even the Iraq and others wars were fascist in mentality. The list goes on , which is why its the majority white nations stemming from European heritage who are deploying these fascist rules in Aus, US, Canada, UK, France, Italy ,Austria, Germany etc.

Have you seen Canadian PM video message to toddlers? He is telling them not to worry as soon they will be vaccinated lol.

Now they want to vaccinate new born babies too.

Good news is the UK is waking up. People are refusing boosters shots now and refusing to wear masks. Ive been around many shops in the last few days, the majority are not masked and nobody cares anylonger.

 

[Robert]

I meant how many have been infected by the virus after being fully vaccinated?

Recent reports are saying more than half of those with Omicron are fully vaccinated. Reason why they re looking for new vaccine. Remember the first person to be shown having omicron was fully vaccinated.

Fascism in Europe is old, it was colonial for hundreds of years. Which is why they used to behead Africans and put them on stakes. Even the Iraq and others wars were fascist in mentality. The list goes on , which is why its the majority white nations stemming from European heritage who are deploying these fascist rules in Aus, US, Canada, UK, France, Italy ,Austria, Germany etc.

Have you seen Canadian PM video message to toddlers? He is telling them not to worry as soon they will be vaccinated lol.

Now they want to vaccinate new born babies too.

Good news is the UK is waking up. People are refusing boosters shots now and refusing to wear masks. Ive been around many shops in the last few days, the majority are not masked and nobody cares anylonger.

Ok, vaccinated people can catch Omicron. What’s your point? Vaccines enable the likelihood of quicker recovery from infection, they don’t prevent infections taking place altogether, though they will slow down the rate of transmission.

Fascism is an ideology that appeared in 1930 in Italy and was extirpated in 1945. Colonialism is completely different, much older and lacking the key identifiers of a fascist state.

Not wearing a mask is selfish. My last two employers insist on mask wearing inside their buildings, to discharge their duty of care. I wear a mask on the train to protect my fellow passengers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ok, vaccinated people can catch Omicron. What’s your point? Vaccines enable the likelihood of quicker recovery from infection, they don’t prevent infections taking place altogether, though they will slow down the rate of transmission.

Fascism is an ideology that appeared in 1930 in Italy and was extirpated in 1945. Colonialism is completely different, much older and lacking the key identifiers of a fascist state.

Not wearing a mask is selfish. My last two employers insist on mask wearing inside their buildings, to discharge their duty of care. I wear a mask on the train to protect my fellow passengers.

Why did the moronic(acronym) variant first found in a fully vaccinated person? Why are the majority of those infected fully vaxed?

Fascist mentality has been around in white westerners since the crusades. It wasn't only because of religion, they hated brown/black people. Same for colonialists. don't worry too much about when the term was coined, the mindset is the key here.

No its not, why distress your own breathing(esp over long term) for strangers? If those who are worried about no masks on people in public, those should stay away or stay home. They have no right to dictate to others how they live their life. By this logic unvaccinated are selfish too?

 

[Robert]

Why did the moronic(acronym) variant first found in a fully vaccinated person? Why are the majority of those infected fully vaxed?

Fascist mentality has been around in white westerners since the crusades. It wasn't only because of religion, they hated brown/black people. Same for colonialists. don't worry too much about when the term was coined, the mindset is the key here.

No its not, why distress your own breathing(esp over long term) for strangers? If those who are worried about no masks on people in public, those should stay away or stay home. They have no right to dictate to others how they live their life. By this logic unvaccinated are selfish too?

Already answered your first two questions.

Colonialism was carried out by kingdoms. It was easy to believe in superior and inferior beings then because kings had the power over the serfs. But then democracy began to emerge and the age of colonialism came to a close as more people came to believe that all folk are born equal.

Fascism is different - it ran counter to the deepening democracies, in that it elevated a great leader principle, one party state, rampant cronyism, demonisation of intellectuals, autarky and constant warfare. It was so destructive that it had to be extirpated in the most terrible of wars. There are signs that it is returning.

Our elected officials do have the right. It’s what happens in a democracy. Elect different representatives.

My personal difficulty breathing in a mask is less important to me than protecting other people if I am carrying COVID.

Yes, IMO the unvaccinated are selfish too. They are elevating their personal rights over their responsibility to the good of the whole. I don’t want all these jabs as they are annoying and can make me feel rough but I do it to protect myself, my family and my human race.

 

[Robert]

Got the booster. Pfizer this time. That’s good as I had AZ before and mixing them up stimulates stronger immune response.

Feeling a bit sick as my system gears up to the challenge. Be right as rain by Friday.

 

[Technics 1210]

Antibodies from Pfizer vaccine may be up to 40 times less effective against Omicron, first lab tests suggest

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...s-less-effective-against-new-variant-12489417

 

[Arsal_AK]

Got the booster. Pfizer this time. That’s good as I had AZ before and mixing them up stimulates stronger immune response.

Feeling a bit sick as my system gears up to the challenge. Be right as rain by Friday.

Great. I will be getting a booster too in the coming months (moderna was the primary vaccine for me). Yeah, studies have shown that Pfizer and then J&J/AZ booster or vice versa is inducing stronger responses that sticking to one type of vaccine for both.

I wonder if the same holds for the inactivated vaccines, if it shows similar boosts. No reason as to why it shouldn't though.

 

[Robert]

Antibodies from Pfizer vaccine may be up to 40 times less effective against Omicron, first lab tests suggest

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...s-less-effective-against-new-variant-12489417

Forty times? What does that mean - that Pfizer convenes 95% protection from death or serious illness against Beta but only 2.5% against Omicron?

If that is true then a lot of people are going to die in the next few months.

 

[James]

If that is true then a lot of people are going to die in the next few months.

Has anybody actually been hospitalised or died due to Omicron yet?

 

[James]

Currently waiting for my booster offer from the NHS/government. Not sure what to do when it arrives. Feeling a bit hesitant.

 

[Robert]

Has anybody actually been hospitalised or died due to Omicron yet?

WHO says hospitalisation rates in SA are rising. That may be because Omicron is more contagious that Beta and Delta rather than its relative virulence though.

 

[James]

WHO says hospitalisation rates in SA are rising. That may be because Omicron is more contagious that Beta and Delta rather than its relative virulence though.

Do we know this is because of Omicron?

(All feels very “up in the air” at the moment and people defaulting to pessimism, but I’m not sure what hard evidence this is based in)

 

[Robert]

Currently waiting for my booster offer from the NHS/government. Not sure what to do when it arrives. Feeling a bit hesitant.

I’d get the enhanced protection if I were you.

A friend reported anaphylaxis to me but that’s about equal to the chance of being hit by lightning.

 

[Robert]

Do we know this is because of Omicron?

(All feels very “up in the air” at the moment and people defaulting to pessimism, but I’m not sure what hard evidence this is based in)

I don’t think WHO has enough data to be sure now, but on balance of probabilities I would say that a more transmissible variant will cause a rise in cases and therefore a rise in hospital admissions.

 

[James]

I’d get the enhanced protection if I were you.

A friend reported anaphylaxis to me but that’s about equal to the chance of being hit by lightning.

Yes, serious adverse effects very rare.

I had 2x AZ jabs in the first half of this year, and the initial one made me feel like utter rubbish for a full weekend but the second one didn’t even touch the sides.

 

[Robert]

Yes, serious adverse effects very rare.

I had 2x AZ jabs in the first half of this year, and the initial one made me feel like utter rubbish for a full weekend but the second one didn’t even touch the sides.

My experience too.

Pfizer booster makes me feel sort of buzzy and tired at the same time.

 

[khan-92]

https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/p...pes-of-adverse-event-reaction-to-its-vaccine/

 

[Technics 1210]

Forty times? What does that mean - that Pfizer convenes 95% protection from death or serious illness against Beta but only 2.5% against Omicron?

If that is true then a lot of people are going to die in the next few months.

I’m guessing it means that the Initial Pfizer vaccine that resulted in a share price boost is 40 times less likey to protect one from the new variant compared with the old variant.

 

[Pakpak]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]

Great to hear everyone's been taking theirs. Seeing a lot of middle age patients in ED come due to COVID, all unvaccinated. Spoke to a relative of one who was completely distraught and it was quite depressing and sad. That pressure along with the usual winter pressure has put a lot of pressure on the wards, I can't remember the last time I actually finished on time or got paid for the extra hours I put in every time because there aren't enough staff.

As for side effects, booster gave me a mild fever for few hours that's it. Didn't affect my wife and brother at all!

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION]

Great to hear everyone's been taking theirs. Seeing a lot of middle age patients in ED come due to COVID, all unvaccinated. Spoke to a relative of one who was completely distraught and it was quite depressing and sad. That pressure along with the usual winter pressure has put a lot of pressure on the wards, I can't remember the last time I actually finished on time or got paid for the extra hours I put in every time because there aren't enough staff.

As for side effects, booster gave me a mild fever for few hours that's it. Didn't affect my wife and brother at all!

Think I will be right as rain come tomorrow.

Is’t it the youngsters who are vax-hesitant though - desis more so than whites, blacks more so than desis?

 

[Pakpak]

Think I will be right as rain come tomorrow.

Is’t it the youngsters who are vax-hesitant though - desis more so than whites, blacks more so than desis?

To be honest most have been middle age from 40 to 50 and white but then again there aren't many Asians where I live so you rarely see Asian patients as a whole. When I went to get my booster there were people in the queue who were getting their first vaccine which was nice to see, better late than never.

 

[Pakpak]

Think I will be right as rain come tomorrow.

Is’t it the youngsters who are vax-hesitant though - desis more so than whites, blacks more so than desis?

Also not to say younger people don't get unwell either, I think it was here I posted a while back a young man, no issues, fit and well got COVID from his kid and ended up seriously unwell in ITU. I remember a young pregnant patient as well, died. Baby somehow survived miraculously. I think overtime everyone will take the vaccine, I just hope they don't get seriously ill before they make that decision.

 

[Robert]

Also not to say younger people don't get unwell either, I think it was here I posted a while back a young man, no issues, fit and well got COVID from his kid and ended up seriously unwell in ITU. I remember a young pregnant patient as well, died. Baby somehow survived miraculously. I think overtime everyone will take the vaccine, I just hope they don't get seriously ill before they make that decision.

Horrible to read. I don’t understand anti-vaccine folk. That junk science paper about autism and that McCarthy woman have cost untold lives.

Feeling fine today after Pfizer booster.

 

[IMMY69]

Also not to say younger people don't get unwell either, I think it was here I posted a while back a young man, no issues, fit and well got COVID from his kid and ended up seriously unwell in ITU. I remember a young pregnant patient as well, died. Baby somehow survived miraculously. I think overtime everyone will take the vaccine, I just hope they don't get seriously ill before they make that decision.

I was told yesterday by a friend who works in a London hospital that the number of patients at their Covid ward went from 7 or 8 to 20 in just 5-6 days and that 80pct of those are unvaccinated.

Can you corroborate this? i.e. are the ones currently being admitted mainly those who are unvaccinated?

 

[James]

I have downloaded the NHS Covid Pass because I am going to the theatre next week. Think it might be needed.

 

[Robert]

I have downloaded the NHS Covid Pass because I am going to the theatre next week. Think it might be needed.

You can keep asking for an update on it when it runs out. Pretty silly system really. Exerts no control at all.

 

[Pakpak]

Horrible to read. I don’t understand anti-vaccine folk. That junk science paper about autism and that McCarthy woman have cost untold lives.

Feeling fine today after Pfizer booster.

I was told yesterday by a friend who works in a London hospital that the number of patients at their Covid ward went from 7 or 8 to 20 in just 5-6 days and that 80pct of those are unvaccinated.

Can you corroborate this? i.e. are the ones currently being admitted mainly those who are unvaccinated?

So there are two types of COVID patients:

1) Ones who come in for something else and then test +ve for COVID, these ones are usually not serious as their positive result is incidental and most of these are vaccinated
2) Ones who come in because of COVID, these ones are serious as they can't even talk due to breathing issues, never mind anything else, and need urgent oxygen

The problem is it doesn't matter what type of patient it is, 1) or 2) as it can cause severe space issues. What happens is anytime a patient is tested COVID in ED they are given a room to themselves so the spread is minimal. But that means you might have patients with broken bones, head injuries, bleeding patients or patients with no immunity (especially ones who undergo chemotherapy) are waiting in the corridor in their beds with nowhere to go because there is no room left and when their families ask me why is their mother or father in the corridor when catching COVID can mean death to them I have no answer. I mean what can I really say except reassure them. This is reported almost weekly on BBC that space is very limited incase anyone thinks I am giving fibs. The rooms can't be emptied because there is no space in wards. So you have COVID +ve patients which leads to the danger of COVID spreading not only inside the hospital in presence of severely sensitive patients, but also the staff who ofcourse can carry it to their home.

Now if those same people had vaccinated they would likely not have had to visit hospital not only leading to more rooms available but help contain the spread of the virus. Around Xmas you get a lot of elderly who come in due to falls or just unwell, COVID for them is very dangerous.

When my wife was expecting every single day I lived in fear of getting COVID and there have been days where we have had to stay apart in our house till I am sure I didn't catch it. There are times for weeks I can't go see my parents as both my parents have had some issues with heart and breathing. We have lost too many people in family and social circle to COVID to begin to fathom so there is no choice but to be careful.
[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION], your friend is correct, a lot of admissions are because of COVID especially in people who are not vaccinated. Because once you start desaturating you need urgent oxygen to stop it which means a hospital visit and if it is bad enough then its a cert ward admission. And if there are too many patients then more wards turn red which is why we still haven't recovered completely and why there are waiting lists now worth of years for your surgeries and other appointments. There simply isn't enough staff to deal with the backlog. And another COVID outbreak would not be good for the system.

 

[KingKhanWC]

My experience too.

Pfizer booster makes me feel sort of buzzy and tired at the same time.

Hope you feel better but do be prepared to take a new vaccine in 6 months time. Lets hope in a couple of years , your immune system isn't destroyed.

I have downloaded the NHS Covid Pass because I am going to the theatre next week. Think it might be needed.

Most security don't care, they are allowing people to just walk in. Its not practical and something out of Nazi Germany.

 

[Stewie]

Hope you feel better but do be prepared to take a new vaccine in 6 months time. Lets hope in a couple of years , your immune system isn't destroyed.



Most security don't care, they are allowing people to just walk in. Its not practical and something out of Nazi Germany.

Let’s hope we are all alive and well in six months, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated ones.
Hahaha!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Triple-jabbed doctor says he caught omicron in London before virus was known to be in UK

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/omicron-uk-doctor-vaccine-israel-b1967954.html

 

[Robert]

Hope you feel better but do be prepared to take a new vaccine in 6 months time. Lets hope in a couple of years , your immune system isn't destroyed.

Most security don't care, they are allowing people to just walk in. Its not practical and something out of Nazi Germany.

Vaccines can’t destroy my immune system, it’s a non sequitur, but thanks for your concern.

The Nazi Germany analogy is egregious - those people gassed and shot around seventeen million civilian Jews, Poles and Russians just because the Nazis thought they were in the way. A vaccine passport to see a show is not the same thing at all, and the theatre’s business.

 

[Stewie]

Vaccines can’t destroy my immune system, it’s a non sequitur, but thanks for your concern.

The Nazi Germany analogy is egregious - those people gassed and shot around seventeen million civilian Jews, Poles and Russians just because the Nazis thought they were in the way. A vaccine passport to see a show is not the same thing at all, and the theatre’s business.

RW myths running amok...

Some mythbusting is necessary here for the benefit of those such as [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] here who have fallen victim to the RW propaganda..

Does vaccine weaken your immunity?
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-823830789386

Should you trust your strong immunity in favor of not taking the vaccine?
https://hub.jhu.edu/2021/09/10/infection-from-covid-vs-vaccines/

 

[James]

Me and my wife have been invited for booster vaccines at our local GP surgery on New Year’s Eve.

Decisions.

 

[Robert]

Me and my wife have been invited for booster vaccines at our local GP surgery on New Year’s Eve.

Decisions.

Indications are that doubled jabbed + booster afford most protection against Omicron [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION].

 

[IMMY69]

I'm booked in for my booster on 20th Dec

 

[KingKhanWC]

RW myths running amok...

Some mythbusting is necessary here for the benefit of those such as [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] here who have fallen victim to the RW propaganda..

Does vaccine weaken your immunity?
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-823830789386

Should you trust your strong immunity in favor of not taking the vaccine?
https://hub.jhu.edu/2021/09/10/infection-from-covid-vs-vaccines/

Its you who has fallen for the propaganda.

You claimed those not vaccinated are putting others at risk. We now know vaccinated can also transmit and also be infected. So please take your own advice, lock yourself in a room and don't come out until this virus is wiped out.

You can google what satisfies you, there are other studies which suggest otherwise.

Bottom line is don't worry about some random poster you will never meet. Worry about yourself and by your own logic stay away from your loved ones.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Me and my wife have been invited for booster vaccines at our local GP surgery on New Year’s Eve.

Decisions.

Either way you will be asked to take the new vaccine next year or the year after. Feel free to bump this post when it happens.

Government agrees new deals to future proof vaccine rollout in light of new variant

Government signs contracts to buy a total of 114 million additional Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna doses for 2022 and 2023

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...proof-vaccine-rollout-in-light-of-new-variant

 

[LongHorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18JNxD3ifLE

 

[Robert]

Got pinged again last night. Because I am fully vaccinated, the app says I need not self-isolate. Lateral flow test negative this morning.

 

[Robert]

Its you who has fallen for the propaganda.

You claimed those not vaccinated are putting others at risk. We now know vaccinated can also transmit and also be infected. So please take your own advice, lock yourself in a room and don't come out until this virus is wiped out.

You can google what satisfies you, there are other studies which suggest otherwise.

Bottom line is don't worry about some random poster you will never meet. Worry about yourself and by your own logic stay away from your loved ones.

Those not vaccinated are putting people at greater risk than those vaccinated are, because the unvaccinated have longer infectivity windows than the vaccinated.

Your problem is that you are a zero-sum thinker. You think in absolutes, so because the vaccine does not convey 100% protection to everyone, you automatically think it conveys 0% protection to anyone. But neither statement is true. In conveying 75% protection, a million lives in UK are saved by mass vaccination.

 

[Stewie]

Those not vaccinated are putting people at greater risk than those vaccinated are, because the unvaccinated have longer infectivity windows than the vaccinated.

Your problem is that you are a zero-sum thinker. You think in absolutes, so because the vaccine does not convey 100% protection to everyone, you automatically think it conveys 0% protection to anyone. But neither statement is true. In conveying 75% protection, a million lives in UK are saved by mass vaccination.

You are under estimating him. He is not an idiot. He just likes to act as one, whatever it takes to support his views. I wouldn’t be surprised if he and his family are closeted vaccinated folks. This broohaha and bravado is only reserved for political circles and online forums.

Anti vaxxers are getting the gist now. So many vocal opponents of the vaccine have died since the pandemic began with egg on their faces. Most recently a staunch anti vaxxer US senator who was actually overseas died of Covid. He was requesting monoclonal treatments to be flown to him. That idiot should have simple gotten a shot or two before he left.

Such is the irony. Most of these “online anti vaxxers” will be the first in line when the next booster comes out. And once they get jabbed, they come here and start preaching about how it doesn’t help anyone.

 

[IMMY69]

I'm booked in for my booster on 20th Dec

Had my Booster earlier today.
So far no side affects.

 

[finalfantasy7]

booked my booster on Friday 31st December - previous 2 jabs-didn't have side affects,

 

[KingKhanWC]

Those not vaccinated are putting people at greater risk than those vaccinated are, because the unvaccinated have longer infectivity windows than the vaccinated.

Your problem is that you are a zero-sum thinker. You think in absolutes, so because the vaccine does not convey 100% protection to everyone, you automatically think it conveys 0% protection to anyone. But neither statement is true. In conveying 75% protection, a million lives in UK are saved by mass vaccination.

Its not an issue for many unvaccinated as per their status.

The vaccinated can transmit, you can transmit to other vaccinated persons. Vaccinated are also infected and dying too. The vaccine doesn't work on new variants so you will need boosters/new vaccines every few months.

Natural immunity is 27X more protective than any vaccine.

The problem is you swallow what is fed to you while those in feeding you aren't even following the rules they tell you to follow. lol. This should ring a bell in any intelligent human being.

 

[LaLoco]

Its not an issue for many unvaccinated as per their status.

The vaccinated can transmit, you can transmit to other vaccinated persons. Vaccinated are also infected and dying too. The vaccine doesn't work on new variants so you will need boosters/new vaccines every few months.

Natural immunity is 27X more protective than any vaccine.

The problem is you swallow what is fed to you while those in feeding you aren't even following the rules they tell you to follow. lol. This should ring a bell in any intelligent human being.

Data is there for anyone to see.

80-90% of the hospitalized due to Covid are un-vaccinated.

Obviously, the vaccine isn't perfect, it will not protect everyone, at time vaccinated ones, too. Science isn't perfect, it can never be perfect, then by that logic those needed CABG surgery will not get surgery because risk of 2% not making out alive of that surgery.

Natural immunity is always better, but the death ratio due to acquiring natural immunity and increase chance of being hospitalized Vs via immunization is there for everyone to view.

Eating healthy, being healthy, etc, is always and will always be the focal and important point for longevity but that is limited to individually acquired comorbidity and disease, such as CVD and diabetes.

Community acquired disease are different, particularly highly infectious, they are transmitted through community, mutated within the community, and currently we have only limited options to prevent it from mutation and spreading, which is vaccination or lockdowns.

Covid vaccines aren't bad, at the current rate, it will take another 4 months for 75% of the world population has received at least one dose. Lets if 75% of the population drop dead, grow an extra limb, etc.

Almost everyone is breaking Covid rules, that does not mean, the vaccines are ineffective, this is probably the one of the most ridiculous argument among many other against Covid vaccines.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Data is there for anyone to see.

80-90% of the hospitalized due to Covid are un-vaccinated.

Obviously, the vaccine isn't perfect, it will not protect everyone, at time vaccinated ones, too. Science isn't perfect, it can never be perfect, then by that logic those needed CABG surgery will not get surgery because risk of 2% not making out alive of that surgery.

Natural immunity is always better, but the death ratio due to acquiring natural immunity and increase chance of being hospitalized Vs via immunization is there for everyone to view.

Eating healthy, being healthy, etc, is always and will always be the focal and important point for longevity but that is limited to individually acquired comorbidity and disease, such as CVD and diabetes.

Community acquired disease are different, particularly highly infectious, they are transmitted through community, mutated within the community, and currently we have only limited options to prevent it from mutation and spreading, which is vaccination or lockdowns.

Covid vaccines aren't bad, at the current rate, it will take another 4 months for 75% of the world population has received at least one dose. Lets if 75% of the population drop dead, grow an extra limb, etc.

Almost everyone is breaking Covid rules, that does not mean, the vaccines are ineffective, this is probably the one of the most ridiculous argument among many other against Covid vaccines.

In the UK everyone is being urged to get the booster as the vaccine doesn't work on the new variant. The vaccine only ever helped for a few months. New vaccines have been ordered.

Data and news is showing which help the governments to help big pharma make more money. To this day the government of the UK has not helped people with improving their natural immune system. They haven't even said natural immunity is over 27X more effective.

As for numbers only a food would believe them now. if you die within 30 days of a positive test you are put down as dying from covid even if you fell off a bridge.

Please go ahead injecting yourself with a vaccine every 6 months, its not my business.

 

[LaLoco]

In the UK everyone is being urged to get the booster as the vaccine doesn't work on the new variant. The vaccine only ever helped for a few months. New vaccines have been ordered.

Data and news is showing which help the governments to help big pharma make more money. To this day the government of the UK has not helped people with improving their natural immune system. They haven't even said natural immunity is over 27X more effective.

As for numbers only a food would believe them now. if you die within 30 days of a positive test you are put down as dying from covid even if you fell off a bridge.

Please go ahead injecting yourself with a vaccine every 6 months, its not my business.

I will and 75% of the world population will also if the current rate of jabbing continues.

How does the government of UK help the general population with improving their natural immunity? Please elaborate because you have made that point often and I know I am wasting my time but since you have mentioned it many times without suggesting as to 'how'.


Vaccine isn't perfect neither is natural immunity but due to vaccine, 80-90% of the current hospitalized are un-vaccinated (this data can not be fudged lol) and no one has grown an extra limb or tuned into zombie but I am still being tracked by the government via my mobile phone and smart watch.

 

[Robert]

In the UK everyone is being urged to get the booster as the vaccine doesn't work on the new variant. The vaccine only ever helped for a few months. New vaccines have been ordered.

Data and news is showing which help the governments to help big pharma make more money. To this day the government of the UK has not helped people with improving their natural immune system. They haven't even said natural immunity is over 27X more effective.

As for numbers only a food would believe them now. if you die within 30 days of a positive test you are put down as dying from covid even if you fell off a bridge.

Please go ahead injecting yourself with a vaccine every 6 months, its not my business.

Because it would mean an extra million British people die of COVID, of course.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I will and 75% of the world population will also if the current rate of jabbing continues.

How does the government of UK help the general population with improving their natural immunity? Please elaborate because you have made that point often and I know I am wasting my time but since you have mentioned it many times without suggesting as to 'how'.


Vaccine isn't perfect neither is natural immunity but due to vaccine, 80-90% of the current hospitalized are un-vaccinated (this data can not be fudged lol) and no one has grown an extra limb or tuned into zombie but I am still being tracked by the government via my mobile phone and smart watch.

Its really simple.

If you are a healthy person you will be infected and gain natural immunity which is better than any vaccine. Read the science. Vaccinating so many will lead to more variants.

Those who are scared or vulnerable should stay home until they are protected.

The rest should carry on living.

Because it would mean an extra million British people die of COVID, of course.

lol? What

The healthier the population the less will die.

Again we don't know the exact numbers, your mate Boris admitted how they count the numbers. ITs been vastly over stated or more to the fact , lies have been spread but you bury your head like an ostrich again.

Government needs to give out free gym membership, free fruits and veg and stop breaking people by making them stay inside etc.

 

[Saj]

I was listening to a doctor the other day who was suggesting that most of the people dying or ending up in hospital have not been vaccinated. Coincidence?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I was listening to a doctor the other day who was suggesting that most of the people dying or ending up in hospital have not been vaccinated. Coincidence?

Unless they have underlying health issues or are really unfit, natural immunity is far more protective than any vaccine as recently proven.

Imo his suggestion is another example of trying push the booster down peoples throat.

 

[Dios]

Now the question is no longer whether you will take the vaccine or not but rather how many you are willing to take. They are talking about a fourth shot already. It's a farce.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Now the question is no longer whether you will take the vaccine or not but rather how many you are willing to take. They are talking about a fourth shot already. It's a farce.

See my earlier post.

UK government has already signed the contract for new doses until 2023. Boris told his sheep, the vaccine is the way out but didn't mention how many or for how many years.

Those who have taken the jab will now need to take it for the rest of their lives. Those with natural immunity will be better off unless a highly dangerous variant appears like 'Omega'. If so it doesn't really matter as the world will fall to pieces.

 

[Saj]

Unless they have underlying health issues or are really unfit, natural immunity is far more protective than any vaccine as recently proven.

Imo his suggestion is another example of trying push the booster down peoples throat.

Any stats on what percentage of the world's population has natural immunity?

 

[Stewie]

The Omnicron variant is much milder and it’s probably the best thing to happen in terms of putting this pandemic to rest. But it’s more infectious. The hope is it will take over Delta which is much more dangerous. Overall the pattern with viruses are, they get milder in symptoms as they mutate/evolve.

At the end of the day, it will be like regular flu. Some people get flu shots every year, some do not. But we are not there yet. It’s still dangerous so in order to protect yourself, you might want to vaccinate. The boosters are not different than other flu shots that are seasonal. There is nothing “farcical” about the whole concept. In fact the whole thing is following the precedents.

If you want to take your chances and not get vaccinated, you only endanger yourselves. Because if the pharmas are going to make money, they will continue to do so. You not getting vaccinated won’t dent their pocket too much. It will only jeopardize your own well being.

 

[sweep_shot]

I have an appointment for booster dose (3rd dose) on January 3. Fingers crossed.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Any stats on what percentage of the world's population has natural immunity?

Havent looked into this as but will be interesting to know esp in poorer nations.

What we do know as recently published in the lancet is prior infection decreased risk of symptomatic re-infection by 93%. The immunity also can last for many years while vaccines do not stop infection, do not stop you infecting others and only last a few months ...if you're lucky.

The Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier has proven to be right. He mapped the virus early, clearing showing its not of natural origin. He also stated mass vaccinations create variants. Of course the paid doctors who need funding will disagree with some of what he says.

Even for an uneducated person its clear to see, the governments aren't telling the truth. Otherwise they would daily say those who have natural immunity do not need to hide away or stop demonising those without vaccines.

Remember these MRna vaccines are new, never been used for humans in such numbers.

 

[Stewie]

Havent looked into this as but will be interesting to know esp in poorer nations.

What we do know as recently published in the lancet is prior infection decreased risk of symptomatic re-infection by 93%. The immunity also can last for many years while vaccines do not stop infection, do not stop you infecting others and only last a few months ...if you're lucky.

The Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier has proven to be right. He mapped the virus early, clearing showing its not of natural origin. He also stated mass vaccinations create variants. Of course the paid doctors who need funding will disagree with some of what he says.

Even for an uneducated person its clear to see, the governments aren't telling the truth. Otherwise they would daily say those who have natural immunity do not need to hide away or stop demonising those without vaccines.

Remember these MRna vaccines are new, never been used for humans in such numbers.

Sounds like a massive massive conspiracy is afoot lead by all the governments of the world, and over 90% of the doctors and medical experts and researchers, our very own KingKhanWC and this 89 year old senile French researcher are two of the few heroes who are trying to get the truth out!

LMAO!

 

[James]

Government needs to give out free gym membership, free fruits and veg and stop breaking people by making them stay inside etc.

Now this I agree with.

 

[Robert]

Its really simple.

If you are a healthy person you will be infected and gain natural immunity which is better than any vaccine. Read the science. Vaccinating so many will lead to more variants.

Those who are scared or vulnerable should stay home until they are protected.

The rest should carry on living.




lol? What

The healthier the population the less will die.

Again we don't know the exact numbers, your mate Boris admitted how they count the numbers. ITs been vastly over stated or more to the fact , lies have been spread but you bury your head like an ostrich again.

Government needs to give out free gym membership, free fruits and veg and stop breaking people by making them stay inside etc.

Says the man who doesn’t understand what a vaccine is or how it works.

You appear to be positing no vaccine rollout, and instead free gym memberships and free fresh fruit. Well, in that scenario COVID will kill a million more British people because they don’t get vaccinated. Look at the fatality rate before the rollout - 2000 per day - and now - 150 per day. What changed? Ah yes, the vaccine rollout.

This stuff is really easy to understand. How far did you get with science at school?

Don’t attribute anything to do with Johnson to me, please. I detest the man.

 

[Robert]

Sounds like a massive massive conspiracy is afoot lead by all the governments of the world, and over 90% of the doctors and medical experts and researchers, our very own KingKhanWC and this 89 year old senile French researcher are two of the few heroes who are trying to get the truth out!

LMAO!

Professor Montagnier was a boon to humanity with his HIV research and of course is correct in stating that vaccination will stimulate the virus to evolve.

But so will what [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] calls “natural immunity”.

Look at the flu virus. Humans raise “natural immunity” to a strain of flu, so to survive it just evolves into a different one to hit us with a couple of years later. We have known this for decades. But by getting our fly jabs every year, we will have stronger immunity and fewer of us will die.

 

[Stewie]

We are already seeing this with Omnicron. It’s milder. Whether it’s a natural process for viruses or human immunity, I do not know… but the experts did posit Covid will become mild like your standard flu eventually, and we just have to protect our weak and immune compromised till it takes its course.
Now you cannot send 50+ people with co-morbidities and other conditions to the gym, feed them fruits and veggies and say “well that should do it, nobody needs to be vaccinated”

It simply doesn’t work that way. I’m glad none of the idiots who think like that are in charge. They are better off staying in their parents basement visiting conspiracy theory websites.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Some ( not all) of the anti-vaccers remind me of Auntiya who share WhatsApp messages about how eating a banana with milk for breakfast can cure cancer.

I have yet to read a coherent argument for not taking the vaccine. If their argument is essentially a variant of " mera jism meri marzi" then I guess I can respect that, but most of the arguments are a bit deranged and I automatically lose a bit of respect for those people.

 

[Pakpak]

KKWC is much cleverer and honest compared to certain others here but bro almost all patients I've seen with COVID have not been vaccinated. By the time they get to me because of COVID they need litres of oxygen just to keep them stable. Never mind at their baseline. Trust me I'm a regular guy who isn't hiding conspiracies.

Take care of your health. If the virus hits properly it hits them like a train and if things go awry it's very hard to see.

 

[Stewie]

Some ( not all) of the anti-vaccers remind me of Auntiya who share WhatsApp messages about how eating a banana with milk for breakfast can cure cancer.

I have yet to read a coherent argument for not taking the vaccine. If their argument is essentially a variant of " mera jism meri marzi" then I guess I can respect that, but most of the arguments are a bit deranged and I automatically lose a bit of respect for those people.

Those auntiyan are also the first ones in line to get the vaccine or the booster. Lol.. they like spreading innuendo and conspiracy theories and “alternative facts” that have nothing to do with science.

but yeah, very true. Got quite a few of such aunties here on the board as well.

 

[Stewie]

KKWC is much cleverer and honest compared to certain others here but bro almost all patients I've seen with COVID have not been vaccinated. By the time they get to me because of COVID they need litres of oxygen just to keep them stable. Never mind at their baseline. Trust me I'm a regular guy who isn't hiding conspiracies.

Take care of your health. If the virus hits properly it hits them like a train and if things go awry it's very hard to see.

You are a liar, sir… you lie.. you are just brainwashed by left wing media/big pharma/dishonest scientific community and you watch too much CNN!

On a serious note: nothing but respect for what you guys do during these trying times. Thank you!

 

[Robert]

PCR test came back negative and my Christmas is saved!

 

[HitWicket]

The Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier has proven to be right. He mapped the virus early, clearing showing its not of natural origin. He also stated mass vaccinations create variants. Of course the paid doctors who need funding will disagree with some of what he says.

He didn't map it or clearly show it was not of natural origin in any way at all. He simply looked at the mapping someone else had done and claimed that because it contains small parts of the HIV genome sequence it must be man made, whilst ignoring the fact that many other naturally occuring organisms also contain small parts of the HIV genome sequence...

 

[HitWicket]

Whilst his claim of vaccines causing mutations has absolutely no scientific basis. There's no recorded instances of a virus ever mutating as a result of a vaccine.

 

[James]

PCR test came back negative and my Christmas is saved!

Yay

 

[James]

We are already seeing this with Omnicron. It’s milder. Whether it’s a natural process for viruses or human immunity, I do not know… but the experts did posit Covid will become mild like your standard flu eventually, and we just have to protect our weak and immune compromised till it takes its course.
Now you cannot send 50+ people with co-morbidities and other conditions to the gym, feed them fruits and veggies and say “well that should do it, nobody needs to be vaccinated”

It simply doesn’t work that way. I’m glad none of the idiots who think like that are in charge. They are better off staying in their parents basement visiting conspiracy theory websites.

NB I think that the fruits / vegetables / gym commentary was in reference to the fact that the majority of countries around the world now have populations which are unhealthy in some way, with many of the co-morbidities you describe being primarily a result of lifestyle choices.

It varies across cultures, but the main reasons for an unhealthy populace with a fallible immune system would likely be: rubbish diets, obesity, sedentary living, not doing exercise, not drinking enough fresh water, taking too many different medications, overworking, undersleeping, stress, loneliness, poor mental health, excessive alcohol consumption, abuse of illegal drugs, and tobacco smoking. I am included in some of these categories as well — as are most people.

If populations were generally healthier, covid would be far less of a threat to humanity than it has turned out to be.

 

[Technics 1210]

Whilst his claim of vaccines causing mutations has absolutely no scientific basis. There's no recorded instances of a virus ever mutating as a result of a vaccine.

The Flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/viruses/change.htm

You need to do a bit more reading sunshine.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why is it that footballers are so reluctant to take the vaccine? I read today that still 16% of professionals still haven't take the vaccine, and that ties in with what a conspiracy theorist was telling me a couple of weeks ago, that there's been a sharp increase of footballer deaths since vaccines started getting implemented.

I asked him why that would be, and he railed off some stats and also gave the name of some component of the booster jab which apparently shreds the immune system when athletes put their cardiovascular system under strain. It mostly went over my head, honestly it sounded like nonsense but it does seem like footballers are more reluctant to take the vaccine than others. Has anybody else heard anything about this?