Won’t agree to Asia Cup cancellation to accommodate IPL: PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani

[Rana]

BCCI fans arguing it is ok to set wrong precedents as long as you have power and money.

They were not singing this tone when Australia were dominating cricket in every possible way until 2008

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

BCCI fans arguing it is ok to set wrong precedents as long as you have power and money.

They were not singing this tone when Australia were dominating cricket in every possible way until 2008

Exactly. I have seen that period where our fans used to blame ICC for partiality. Now when we have got the power some of our fans have started acting like douchebags. One thing with Aus and Eng is that even if they had power they never let the game die. And here we have BCCI and their fans who wants to kill international cricket just so they can watch Ashok Dinda run over a batting line up of has beens.

 

[Hitman]

BCCI fans arguing it is ok to set wrong precedents as long as you have power and money.

They were not singing this tone when Australia were dominating cricket in every possible way until 2008

Hopefully you're speaking about Australia's dominance in their game only.

 

[Rana]

Hopefully you're speaking about Australia's dominance in their game only.

Hopefully? Australia were dominating cricket like the US were dominating the world at the time. India had the biggest issue out of everyone with this

 

[Hitman]

Hopefully? Australia were dominating cricket like the US were dominating the world at the time. India had the biggest issue out of everyone with this

You're saying CA had the money, power and influence ahead of the BCCI back then?

 

[Rajdeep]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...fying-group-champions-league-twenty20-2014-15

That was when Mumbai Indians rested many of its key players including the captain himself. I hope you remember the game between Lahore and Kolkata?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...tch-group-a-champions-league-twenty20-2014-15

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You're saying CA had the money, power and influence ahead of the BCCI back then?

It was an alliance of ECB and CA in terms of cricket rules and other things.

 

[Rajdeep]

You're saying CA had the money, power and influence ahead of the BCCI back then?

Some of the sub continent fans had 3rd world mentality in the past and tend to accept whatever breadcrumbs white boards like CA & ECB used to throw at us. Since the tides have changed now, they are not able to digest the fact that an Indian board is rulling the cricket world. They would have loved to remain sub servant of CA & ECB than let India rule cricket.

No one had any problem when Kerry Packer's world series tried to destroy international cricket. Infact they would call Packer a visionary who changed the fate of ODIs forever. But these same people will cry foul at the IPL about how it is destroying international cricket etc.

Good thing is BCCI does not get perturbed by what these people are saying. IPL is imperative to Indian cricket and it will remain priority no.1.

 

[Pakhs]

I was talking about the Asian teams as we're discussing about the Asia cup. Of course , I don't think any IPL team would start as favourites against the likes of Aus, Eng , WI or NZ. Outside of these teams, it's a different story.

It's not just the 4 overseas players we're talking about. Every team has 4-5 Indian internationals who are no slouches either. For example MI has Rohit, Bumrah, Pandya brothers, Chahar who are all int'l class and have actually played for India. Pretty much the same for all teams. You are clearly deluding yourselves if you think any other Asian team can beat a lineup of QDK, Rohit, Pollard, Cutting, Pandyas, Bumrah, McClenaghan etc....

Who is Mcclenaghan he couldnt get a game in PSL who is chahar? cant cement his position in international cricket. What osrt of record pollard got against Pakistan? why is pandiya so great what has he done in international cricket in T20s? so you have Rohit and QDK who are proven performers in international cricket.. No its you who is deluded if you think MI team can beat Pakistan best XI.

It would be highly unfair on MI team who is handicapped in choosing only 4 overseas players that too from different team so not used to playing with each other and only a couple of international proven class Indian and rest local. If it was 6 international class Indians and then 4 of the international class proven performers as oversees of course things would be different.

 

[Rana]

You're saying CA had the money, power and influence ahead of the BCCI back then?

Whatever they did have, it was far more influential than the influence that BCCI has right now and there was a swagger about that influence. Because they were genuine champions and didn’t resort to politics and backstabbing.

It was the same Indian who used to use the sentiments of the south Asian fans, particularly Pakistani fans and rile them up against the Aussies and English if anything seemed to be unfair on their part. The same Indians have now deserted the Pakistanis and are saying it is ok to treat them worse than the Aussies or English have ever treated the any South Asian side

 

[Hitman]

Whatever they did have, it was far more influential than the influence that BCCI has right now and there was a swagger about that influence. Because they were genuine champions and didn’t resort to politics and backstabbing.

Yes, they were genuine champions of the game. However, CA was nowhere even close to the influence that the BCCI had back then. So much that they had to bow down to the BCCI in the Monkey Gate episode, and the ICC had to replace Steve Bucknor in the 3rd Test during our tour to Australia in 2008.

 

[Rana]

Yes, they were genuine champions of the game. However, CA was nowhere even close to the influence that the BCCI had back then. So much that they had to bow down to the BCCI in the Monkey Gate episode, and the ICC had to replace Steve Bucknor in the 3rd Test during our tour to Australia in 2008.

Well if you cry and use the race card, whilst citing years of being oppressed at the hands of the White rulers, I’m sure it would make sense to swollow a pill and let the crying Indians have their toys.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Well if you cry and use the race card, whilst citing years of being oppressed at the hands of the White rulers, I’m sure it would make sense to swollow a pill and let the crying Indians have their toys.

Quite ironic,
Do you even remember who uses the race card?

 

[Hitman]

Well if you cry and use the race card, whilst citing years of being oppressed at the hands of the White rulers, I’m sure it would make sense to swollow a pill and let the crying Indians have their toys.

So the Indians had their way in 2008 not because of BCCI's might, but because CA and the ICC had pity on the BCCI? ) )

BTW, who used the race card during Oval Gate?

 

[Rana]

So the Indians had their way in 2008 not because of BCCI's might, but because CA and the ICC had pity on the BCCI? ) )

BTW, who used the race card during Oval Gate?

Oh so Darryl Hair was well within his rights to award 5 penelty runs to England now?

 

[Mesozoic]

Who is Mcclenaghan he couldnt get a game in PSL who is chahar? cant cement his position in international cricket. What osrt of record pollard got against Pakistan? why is pandiya so great what has he done in international cricket in T20s? so you have Rohit and QDK who are proven performers in international cricket.. No its you who is deluded if you think MI team can beat Pakistan best XI.

It would be highly unfair on MI team who is handicapped in choosing only 4 overseas players that too from different team so not used to playing with each other and only a couple of international proven class Indian and rest local. If it was 6 international class Indians and then 4 of the international class proven performers as oversees of course things would be different.

In all fairness, you don't really need a t20 dream team to beat the current Pak team where the supposedly "best XI" has a couple of washed up 40 year olds hogging the two most crucial middle order spots, a wicket keeper who has no idea how to play t20 cricket and a proven failure opening the batting , a rank mediocre leg spinner and a bunch of rookie fast bowlers.

Except Babar Azam and may be Amir to an extent , no-one in the lineup has it in them to take it to the opposition. There's a reason why Pak lost 9 and won 1 T20 game last year with 5 losses coming against second string SAF and SL sides. I repeat, you're only deluding yourselves if you think this Pak team is better than the lineup that has names like QDk, Rohit, Pollard, Cutting, Bumrah, Malinga, Pandya etc....

 

[Hitman]

Oh so Darryl Hair was well within his rights to award 5 penelty runs to England now?

And you had to use the race card to counter that? And then you accuse us of doing the same

 

[aloo paratha]

What part did not make sense to you ? I said I was talking about Asian teams and took Pak, SL, Ban and Afg as examples. Aren't these countries in Asia?

Lol even Pak fans don't take their no.1 t20 ranking seriously and here you are embarassing yourselves bringing that up....

Its not that hard to understand. Pakistan is ranked #1, and you implied that Pakistan (and other Asia cup teams) are likely to lose against IPL teams. The problem with you including Pakistan, the number one team, is that you basically said that IPL teams would beat all SENA teams and WI as well, since Pakistan is above them in the rankings.

 

[Pakhs]

In all fairness, you don't really need a t20 dream team to beat the current Pak team where the supposedly "best XI" has a couple of washed up 40 year olds hogging the two most crucial middle order spots, a wicket keeper who has no idea how to play t20 cricket and a proven failure opening the batting , a rank mediocre leg spinner and a bunch of rookie fast bowlers.

Except Babar Azam and may be Amir to an extent , no-one in the lineup has it in them to take it to the opposition. There's a reason why Pak lost 9 and won 1 T20 game last year with 5 losses coming against second string SAF and SL sides. I repeat, you're only deluding yourselves if you think this Pak team is better than the lineup that has names like QDk, Rohit, Pollard, Cutting, Bumrah, Malinga, Pandya etc....

Pakistan can beat even India main XI on their day forget about this MI line up which is doesnt even sound good enough for top 6 international side.

 

[Gamechanger72]

Whenever situation improve to play sports ,IPL is first perority for BCCI .that's it's take it IPL hater.

 

[Rana]

And you had to use the race card to counter that? And then you accuse us of doing the same

When did we use the race card to win a case against clear in-justice? You used the race card by potentially being racist and then crying wolf when called out for it

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Its not that hard to understand. Pakistan is ranked #1, and you implied that Pakistan (and other Asia cup teams) are likely to lose against IPL teams. The problem with you including Pakistan, the number one team, is that you basically said that IPL teams would beat all SENA teams and WI as well, since Pakistan is above them in the rankings.

I get it why some of them prefer IPL over International Cricket. Since it includes all indian teams and winning/losing is almost the same there. They also get into a false sense of bravado that we can now take anyone in the world and our superstars will perform the same way. But then comes tournaments like World Cup where 90% rejects from Sri Lanka beat us and West Indies give us a phainty.

It doesn't help when overhyped cricketers like Pandya can't transform their IPL form to international cricket as well so they prefer going back to watching IPL instead.

Basically these are some intolerant and sensitive fans who can't even take a opinion different to theirs let alone taking the pressure of an international match. Go easy on them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As and when the situation improves. Bcci will try to stage the IPL. And i dont think pakistan will get a say in that.

 

[Mesozoic]

Pakistan can beat even India main XI on their day forget about this MI line up which is doesnt even sound good enough for top 6 international side.

Even Zimbabwe can beat Australia "on their day". That's not the point though.

 

[Mesozoic]

Its not that hard to understand. Pakistan is ranked #1, and you implied that Pakistan (and other Asia cup teams) are likely to lose against IPL teams. The problem with you including Pakistan, the number one team, is that you basically said that IPL teams would beat all SENA teams and WI as well, since Pakistan is above them in the rankings.

T20 rankings are a joke to put it mildly. Pakistan are ranked no.1 and WI are ranked no.10 but we all know what happens if both teams face off with their strongest XIs. Australia, India, England, West Indies and arguably New Zealand are all better T20 teams than Pakistan when at full strength. In an Ideal world, Pakistan would be somewhere between 5-7 in the t20 rankings as in the case of Odis and Tests.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

T20 rankings are a joke to put it mildly. Pakistan are ranked no.1 and WI are ranked no.10 but we all know what happens if both teams face off with their strongest XIs. Australia, India, England, West Indies and arguably New Zealand are all better T20 teams than Pakistan when at full strength. In an Ideal world, Pakistan would be somewhere between 5-7 in the t20 rankings as in the case of Odis and Tests.

Yeah lol T20 rankings are a joke now.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yeah lol T20 rankings are a joke now.

They've always been a joke. As long as teams deem the T20 bilaterals as insignificant and name weakened squads, they'll remain a joke.

 

[Pakhs]

Even Zimbabwe can beat Australia "on their day". That's not the point though.

Point is this bits and pieces MI side will not beat a proper international team its not their fault they are not designed to beat international sides they are a domestic side for which they are good enough.

 

[Mesozoic]

Point is this bits and pieces MI side will not beat a proper international team its not their fault they are not designed to beat international sides they are a domestic side for which they are good enough.

There is not a single player in the Pak lineup (let alone SL, Ban or Afg) that can match the hitting prowess of the so called "Bits and pieces" cricketers like Pollard, Cutting and even Pandya jr in T20 cricket and all of these will walk into Asian T20 sides on their batting alone. Don't even bother about the specialists like Rohit, De kock, Bumrah, Malinga, McClenaghan etc.

No matter how hard you try, there's nothing that's going to make Pak or any other Asian team look better than a full strength MI side. Same is the case with top IPL sides like KKR, SRH etc. You are only deluding yourselves if you think teams like SL, Ban or Afg stand any chance against most IPL teams just because they're "international teams". It's not a given that domestic teams would never beat int'l teams. There have been various instances in the past where the so called int'l teams lost to domestic sides. The New South Wales team of the mid 2000s would have easily been a top 4 team today and would have smashed the daylights of the likes of Sri Lanka, West Indies , Bangladesh etc .


Hope you got my point...

 

[TeymurBlake]

Exactly. I have seen that period where our fans used to blame ICC for partiality. Now when we have got the power some of our fans have started acting like douchebags. One thing with Aus and Eng is that even if they had power they never let the game die. And here we have BCCI and their fans who wants to kill international cricket just so they can watch Ashok Dinda run over a batting line up of has beens.

Ashok Dinda, now there's a reference not heard for a while.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There is not a single player in the Pak lineup (let alone SL, Ban or Afg) that can match the hitting prowess of the so called "Bits and pieces" cricketers like Pollard, Cutting and even Pandya jr in T20 cricket and all of these will walk into Asian T20 sides on their batting alone. Don't even bother about the specialists like Rohit, De kock, Bumrah, Malinga, McClenaghan etc.

No matter how hard you try, there's nothing that's going to make Pak or any other Asian team look better than a full strength MI side. Same is the case with top IPL sides like KKR, SRH etc. You are only deluding yourselves if you think teams like SL, Ban or Afg stand any chance against most IPL teams just because they're "international teams". It's not a given that domestic teams would never beat int'l teams. There have been various instances in the past where the so called int'l teams lost to domestic sides. The New South Wales team of the mid 2000s would have easily been a top 4 team today and would have smashed the daylights of the likes of Sri Lanka, West Indies , Bangladesh etc .


Hope you got my point...

Yeh kuch zyada ho gaya.

 

[Rana]

As and when the situation improves. Bcci will try to stage the IPL. And i dont think pakistan will get a say in that.

Stop stating the obvious. Why would Pakistan have a say in when BCCI hosts its domestic cricket.

Pakistan has a say of when ACC does not fulfil its commitment to PCB.

 

[Rana]

The problem with someone like Joshila is that he doesn’t ever produce a reasonable solution to the conflict, rather he must come up with excuses to further demean and disrespect Pakistan and it’s international set up in order to prove BCCI’s superiority.

How about we discuss how IPL can go ahead during September/October and BCCI can send an Indian Team to participate in an Asia cup that could finish within a week of that time frame? But no, the only thing we must discuss is ‘Kiani kya aukaat hai’. Be it a dishonourably

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The problem with someone like Joshila is that he doesn’t ever produce a reasonable solution to the conflict, rather he must come up with excuses to further demean and disrespect Pakistan and it’s international set up in order to prove BCCI’s superiority.

How about we discuss how IPL can go ahead during September/October and BCCI can send an Indian Team to participate in an Asia cup that could finish within a week of that time frame? But no, the only thing we must discuss is ‘Kiani kya aukaat hai’. Be it a dishonourably

He is not a cricket fan. He is more interested in business side of cricket. For us lives of humans comes first then its cricket. Playing against your rivals and winning the matches is much more important for a fan. I don't think any real cricket fan thinks about money while watching their favorite team play. Never seen any international team fan gloating over their team's or player's income like IPL fans do here.

As an example you can read Mr [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] post on how IPL teams can easily beat Asian teams lol.

 

[Mesozoic]

As an example you can read Mr [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] post on how IPL teams can easily beat Asian teams lol.

You are more than welcome to prove me wrong.

 

[Rana]

You are more than welcome to prove me wrong.

Can you prove to me that Quetta Gladiators isn’t stronger than India?

 

[Mesozoic]

Can you prove to me that Quetta Gladiators isn’t stronger than India?

Alright then.

Rohit = Roy
KL >>> Shehzad
Kohli >>> Watson
Iyer >>> Nasir
Pant >>> Sarfraz
Pandey >> Azam khan
Pandya == Cutting
Kuldeep >>> Fawad
Bumrah/Shami/Bhuvi >> Hasnain/Sohail/Naseem


See. Not that hard.

You can correct me if this is not QG's strongest XI. Thanks.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Alright then.

Rohit = Roy
KL >>> Shehzad
Kohli >>> Watson
Iyer >>> Nasir
Pant >>> Sarfraz
Pandey >> Azam khan
Pandya == Cutting
Kuldeep >>> Fawad
Bumrah/Shami/Bhuvi >> Hasnain/Sohail/Naseem


See. Not that hard.

You can correct me if this is not QG's strongest XI. Thanks.

That's great. Alright then IPL should be played like this from now onwards.

Arrange all your teams player's names. Ask the owners to bring their best squad on paper, compare them like you did above and decide who wins the match. Even I won't mind an IPL like this. Players stay at home and getting much deserved rest before international cricket and you IPL fans enjoying the cricket on paper. Only downside is you won't be able to see foreign cheerleaders dancing but overall a win win situation for everyone.

 

[Mesozoic]

That's great. Alright then IPL should be played like this from now onwards.

Arrange all your teams player's names. Ask the owners to bring their best squad on paper, compare them like you did above and decide who wins the match. Even I won't mind an IPL like this. Players stay at home and getting much deserved rest before international cricket and you IPL fans enjoying the cricket on paper. Only downside is you won't be able to see foreign cheerleaders dancing but overall a win win situation for everyone.

No need for that. IPL teams have a rather realistic chance of playing each other and who's better. Can't say the same about a matchup between India and Quetta Gladiators. Only way is to compare the quality of players available on either sides and you'll come to a conclusion more often than not.

Don't know why you're worried. Or do you in your blind hatred of anything Indian actually trying to say that Quetta Gladiators is stronger than the Indian team ? Won't be surprised if that's the case.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No need for that. IPL teams have a rather realistic chance of playing each other and who's better. Can't say the same about a matchup between India and Quetta Gladiators. Only way is to compare the quality of players available on either sides and you'll come to a conclusion more often than not.

Don't know why you're worried. Or do you in your blind hatred of anything Indian actually trying to say that Quetta Gladiators is stronger than the Indian team ? Won't be surprised if that's the case.

I actually liked your idea of playing on paper. Congratulations.

 

[Rana]

Alright then.

Rohit = Roy
KL >>> Shehzad
Kohli >>> Watson
Iyer >>> Nasir
Pant >>> Sarfraz
Pandey >> Azam khan
Pandya == Cutting
Kuldeep >>> Fawad
Bumrah/Shami/Bhuvi >> Hasnain/Sohail/Naseem


See. Not that hard.

You can correct me if this is not QG's strongest XI. Thanks.

Roy 100 off 40 balls against any bowling attack is enough to go man to man. Same with Rohit or Kohli against his opposition.

Cricket isn’t like FIFA on PS4 sonny. It’s a one ball game and one partnership that turns the game on its head. Stop being silly. At least not with me.

 

[ChennaiFan]

The problem with someone like Joshila is that he doesn’t ever produce a reasonable solution to the conflict, rather he must come up with excuses to further demean and disrespect Pakistan and it’s international set up in order to prove BCCI’s superiority.

How about we discuss how IPL can go ahead during September/October and BCCI can send an Indian Team to participate in an Asia cup that could finish within a week of that time frame? But no, the only thing we must discuss is ‘Kiani kya aukaat hai’. Be it a dishonourably

True! It is a bad trend. Here I want to quote Mahatma Gandhi - “It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.”

True indication of strength is to help the weaker sections. Putting down others is a sign of inferiority complex manifesting itself as false bravado.

As a cricket fan, I prefer an international match over any IPL match. Without international cricket matches, the game will die.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Stop stating the obvious. Why would Pakistan have a say in when BCCI hosts its domestic cricket.

Pakistan has a say of when ACC does not fulfil its commitment to PCB.

Pakistan has only one vote in ACC. Pakistan has no say if other teams dont want to play asia cup.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The problem with someone like Joshila is that he doesn’t ever produce a reasonable solution to the conflict, rather he must come up with excuses to further demean and disrespect Pakistan and it’s international set up in order to prove BCCI’s superiority.

How about we discuss how IPL can go ahead during September/October and BCCI can send an Indian Team to participate in an Asia cup that could finish within a week of that time frame? But no, the only thing we must discuss is ‘Kiani kya aukaat hai’. Be it a dishonourably

Problem is Ehsan Mani made this comment.

He is nobody to decide about IPL. He keeps making comments on Indian cricket.

 

[MenInG]

Problem is Ehsan Mani made this comment.

He is nobody to decide about IPL. He keeps making comments on Indian cricket.

He has every right to make a statement about any subject he feels like.

 

[Energy]

Players going on International breaks between leagues make sense. Players going on domestic breaks and proposing to cancel/adjust national duty is hysterical.

Nothing wrong with what Mani has said. Whether it happens or not at least he's standing firm for what is right. If the other ACC members don't back him it takes nothing away from his stand.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He has every right to make a statement about any subject he feels like.

No he doesn't. Its called interfering in matters of others.

Tell me bro, if Bcci chief says he wont agree to ICC giving hosting rights to pcb, will you say the same thing?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Players going on International breaks between leagues make sense. Players going on domestic breaks and proposing to cancel/adjust national duty is hysterical.

Nothing wrong with what Mani has said. Whether it happens or not at least he's standing firm for what is right. If the other ACC members don't back him it takes nothing away from his stand.

Its for players and their boards to decide.

Neither PCB nor its players are involved in IPL. So Mani has no stake here. Its one of his many statements against India and IPL. Not that they make any difference.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No he doesn't. Its called interfering in matters of others.

Tell me bro, if Bcci chief says he wont agree to ICC giving hosting rights to pcb, will you say the same thing?

Giving a statement doesn't mean he is interfering in BCCI's matters. It seems apart from you nobody has right to give an opinion or a statement in this world.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Its for players and their boards to decide.

Neither PCB nor its players are involved in IPL. So Mani has no stake here. Its one of his many statements against India and IPL. Not that they make any difference.

No he doesn't. Its called interfering in matters of others.

Tell me bro, if Bcci chief says he wont agree to ICC giving hosting rights to pcb, will you say the same thing?

This one's hilarious Joshila. It was clear that the BCCI tried to get Pakistan barred from the World Cup in 2019 after they asked for a ban on Pakistan.

So, in comparison, Mani's tweet is pretty sedate in comparison.

Ok, ok, so I won't use the tired tool of 'what-about-ism'. But Mani's argument is relevant. The Asia Cup is more important than the IPL on relative terms. The money generated from it is a difference maker to associate boards who get scraps from the ICC.

The BCCI, as is it's want and record, will prioritize the IPL in the September window, given that it's always looked out for No.1.

But, in doing so, it will demonstrate to ACC members it's lack of care for the development of the game in Asia. One can build it's bank balance in the short term or enhance it's reputation in the long term.

 

[Mesozoic]

Roy 100 off 40 balls against any bowling attack is enough to go man to man. Same with Rohit or Kohli against his opposition.

Cricket isn’t like FIFA on PS4 sonny. It’s a one ball game and one partnership that turns the game on its head. Stop being silly. At least not with me.

That is why I use the term "more often than not". How often will Roy score a 100 off 40 balls against India huh ?

If we use all that "one ball , one partnership" terminology, you can even claim that Hong Kong can beat Australia and Real Madrid will lose to some third division side from Romania because well.. soccer is just a "one goal in one second" sport. Isn't it ? Do you see how illogical that sounds ? And you say I'm being silly lol.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

That is why I use the term "more often than not". How often will Roy score a 100 off 40 balls against India huh ?

If we use all that "one ball , one partnership" terminology, you can even claim that Hong Kong can beat Australia and Real Madrid will lose to some third division side from Romania because well.. soccer is just a "one goal in one second" sport. Isn't it ? Do you see how illogical that sounds ? And you say I'm being silly lol.

He completely lost the plot there.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This one's hilarious Joshila. It was clear that the BCCI tried to get Pakistan barred from the World Cup in 2019 after they asked for a ban on Pakistan.



So, in comparison, Mani's tweet is pretty sedate in comparison.

Ok, ok, so I won't use the tired tool of 'what-about-ism'. But Mani's argument is relevant. The Asia Cup is more important than the IPL on relative terms. The money generated from it is a difference maker to associate boards who get scraps from the ICC.

The BCCI, as is it's want and record, will prioritize the IPL in the September window, given that it's always looked out for No.1.

But, in doing so, it will demonstrate to ACC members it's lack of care for the development of the game in Asia. One can build it's bank balance in the short term or enhance it's reputation in the long term.

Bcci was then run by a court appointed administrator who made that statement.

Bcci mandarins, members, fans including myself have criticized these administrators various times for running bcci as per their whims.

They are now out of the bcci.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This one's hilarious Joshila. It was clear that the BCCI tried to get Pakistan barred from the World Cup in 2019 as per the article below.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/26045366/bcci-mulls-asking-pakistan-world-cup-ban

So, in comparison, Mani's tweet is pretty sedate in comparison.

Ok, ok, so I won't use the tired tool of 'what-about-ism'. But Mani's argument is relevant. The Asia Cup is more important than the IPL on relative terms. The money generated from it is a difference maker to associate boards who get scraps from the ICC.

The BCCI, as is it's want and record, will prioritize the IPL in the September window, given that it's always looked out for No.1.

But, in doing so, it will demonstrate to ACC members it's lack of care for the development of the game in Asia. One can build it's bank balance in the short term or enhance it's reputation in the long term.

Already one ACC member has expressed its willingness to host the IPL so that it can get some financial help. Another ACC member hosts all of its matches in India.

Bcci helps a lot of countries via different ways.

But it also needs to look after its own interests.

 

[MenInG]

Giving a statement doesn't mean he is interfering in BCCI's matters. It seems apart from you nobody has right to give an opinion or a statement in this world.

I can never understand this line of reasoning!

 

[cricketjoshila]

I can never understand this line of reasoning!

This is not the first time Mani has opined on IPL. I guess it wont be an issue if BCCI starts interfering in PCB matters.

 

[MenInG]

This is not the first time Mani has opined on IPL. I guess it wont be an issue if BCCI starts interfering in PCB matters.

If BCCI want to, who can stop them?

 

[Rana]

That is why I use the term "more often than not". How often will Roy score a 100 off 40 balls against India huh ?

If we use all that "one ball , one partnership" terminology, you can even claim that Hong Kong can beat Australia and Real Madrid will lose to some third division side from Romania because well.. soccer is just a "one goal in one second" sport. Isn't it ? Do you see how illogical that sounds ? And you say I'm being silly lol.

More often than not, Jason Roy and Shane Watson will stand and bat. So where does your argument go now? Are you comparing individual T20 stalwarts like these 2 batsmen to unreliable match winners like Shahid Afridi?

 

[cricketjoshila]

If BCCI want to, who can stop them?

But why provoke them?

 

[Saj]

Let's see how the whole IPL issue plays out going forward.

The ICC's backbone is going to be thoroughly tested.

 

[Savak]

Let's see how the whole IPL issue plays out going forward.

The ICC's backbone is going to be thoroughly tested.

Hasn't it been tested in the past i.e. the BCCI-PCB legal case, the points sharing saga recently, Big 3, the 2016 T-20 WC tax issue? The last time the ICC made India bow to its demands was in 2001 when the BCCI dropped Sehwag for the first test against England in India where India protested Mike Denness's fines against Indian players.

 

[Hitman]

When did we use the race card to win a case against clear in-justice? You used the race card by potentially being racist and then crying wolf when called out for it

You're kidding me? Almost every Pak fan accused Hair to be a racist. Your entire fan base collectively played the race card.

Kindly remind me when we played the race card even once?

 

[Convict]

No he doesn't. Its called interfering in matters of others.

Tell me bro, if Bcci chief says he wont agree to ICC giving hosting rights to pcb, will you say the same thing?

If Australia were in the same position as Pakistan i'd be disappointed if CA leadership did not make their bottom line clear.

The PCB is making it clear that their position is that the Asian Cup will take priority over domestic cricket. Since the PCB is a stakeholder in the Asian Cup it is entirely reasonable for the PCB to have a public position on it.

 

[Mesozoic]

More often than not, Jason Roy and Shane Watson will stand and bat. So where does your argument go now? Are you comparing individual T20 stalwarts like these 2 batsmen to unreliable match winners like Shahid Afridi?

And more often than not Rohit, Rahul and Kohli will outbat Roy and Watson. Your argument is getting weaker and weaker by each post. Lol at Watson being a t20 stalwart. Then what do you call someone who has been the player of the tournament in the last 2 T20 WCs and the guy with the most T20 int'l hundreds ?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And more often than not Rohit, Rahul and Kohli will outbat Roy and Watson. Your argument is getting weaker and weaker by each post. Lol at Watson being a t20 stalwart. Then what do you call someone who has been the player of the tournament in the last 2 T20 WCs and the guy with the most T20 int'l hundreds ?

Cricket on paper.

 

[Rana]

You're kidding me? Almost every Pak fan accused Hair to be a racist. Your entire fan base collectively played the race card.

Kindly remind me when we played the race card even once?

Did Daryl Hair make a clear mistake?
Did it seem intentional with his history of being rough on Asian cricketers??

 

[Hitman]

Did Daryl Hair make a clear mistake?

Hair was well within the rules. He inspected the ball and found that the ball was tampered with (his opinion). You can definitely say that he was being harsh on Pakistan. But the debate is not about whether Hair was harsh or not. The debate is whether you Pak fans collectively played the race card or not. Yes, or no?

Did it seem intentional with his history of being rough on Asian cricketers??

Which Asian cricketer has he been rough on? Murali? Could it be a coincidence that Murali's action has been considered controversial throughout his playing career?

 

[Pakhs]

There is not a single player in the Pak lineup (let alone SL, Ban or Afg) that can match the hitting prowess of the so called "Bits and pieces" cricketers like Pollard, Cutting and even Pandya jr in T20 cricket and all of these will walk into Asian T20 sides on their batting alone. Don't even bother about the specialists like Rohit, De kock, Bumrah, Malinga, McClenaghan etc.

No matter how hard you try, there's nothing that's going to make Pak or any other Asian team look better than a full strength MI side. Same is the case with top IPL sides like KKR, SRH etc. You are only deluding yourselves if you think teams like SL, Ban or Afg stand any chance against most IPL teams just because they're "international teams". It's not a given that domestic teams would never beat int'l teams. There have been various instances in the past where the so called int'l teams lost to domestic sides. The New South Wales team of the mid 2000s would have easily been a top 4 team today and would have smashed the daylights of the likes of Sri Lanka, West Indies , Bangladesh etc .


Hope you got my point...

LOL there are atleast 4 players in that MI side that will not make Pakistan side. Let me put it this way India is very very very welcome to put MI side against Pakistan every time. We would be forever grateful for such kind gesture. Its a shame BCCI dont have deluded fans like you incharge.

 

[Mesozoic]

LOL there are atleast 4 players in that MI side that will not make Pakistan side. Let me put it this way India is very very very welcome to put MI side against Pakistan every time. We would be forever grateful for such kind gesture. Its a shame BCCI dont have deluded fans like you incharge.

You've completely lost your plot.

4 players not making the Pak team means you're better ? Lol. You have indirectly agreed that 7 players will. I hope you know what that implies. Yeah BCCI are sensible enough to not put the best T20 franchise in the world against a team that has like one player who can be considered world class in the format.

 

[Pakhs]

You've completely lost your plot.

4 players not making the Pak team means you're better ? Lol. You have indirectly agreed that 7 players will. I hope you know what that implies. Yeah BCCI are sensible enough to not put the best T20 franchise in the world against a team that has like one player who can be considered world class in the format.

you are deluded if you think pollard or mclangen will make Pakistan side either - so only 4/5 players will make the side and 6 wont make the team. Pollard record in international cricket is shocking obviously loves to score runs against domestic level teams the ones you mentioned same for mclangen.

 

[Mesozoic]

you are deluded if you think pollard or mclangen will make Pakistan side either - so only 4/5 players will make the side and 6 wont make the team. Pollard record in international cricket is shocking obviously loves to score runs against domestic level teams the ones you mentioned same for mclangen.

You seriously think that the likes of Hafeez, Malik, Iftikhar etc are better T20 batters than Pollard ? You have all my sympathies if you do. QDK, Rohit, Pollard, Cutting, Pandya, Bumrah and Malinga....that makes it 7 that will walk into the Pak T20 11. You can prove me wrong by naming players that are better than them in their respective positions. Thanks.

 

[Pakhs]

You seriously think that the likes of Hafeez, Malik, Iftikhar etc are better T20 batters than Pollard ? You have all my sympathies if you do. QDK, Rohit, Pollard, Cutting, Pandya, Bumrah and Malinga....that makes it 7 that will walk into the Pak T20 11. You can prove me wrong by naming players that are better than them in their respective positions. Thanks.

Malinga is better than which Pakistan regular T20 bowler? too old to be still playing but obviously good enough for leagues. Pollard I guess you dont watch international cricket but his record is worst than any Pakistan players you mentioned so no he is not needed for international cricket but I would prefer him in IPL to bully domestic sides. So only so you left with Qdk, rohit, cutting and pandya thats 4 players that would mean 7 will not make it. Even in these 4 only Rohit and QDK has a international record that will make Pakistan team better for sure and in bowlers Bumrah. Other are unproven in this format at international level.

You have no argument to make other than fantasy to say MI is better than Pakistan international XI.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I highly doubt we would see any cricket this year, be it Asia cup or an IPL.

 

[Mesozoic]

Malinga is better than which Pakistan regular T20 bowler? too old to be still playing but obviously good enough for leagues. Pollard I guess you dont watch international cricket but his record is worst than any Pakistan players you mentioned so no he is not needed for international cricket but I would prefer him in IPL to bully domestic sides. So only so you left with Qdk, rohit, cutting and pandya thats 4 players that would mean 7 will not make it. Even in these 4 only Rohit and QDK has a international record that will make Pakistan team better for sure and in bowlers Bumrah. Other are unproven in this format at international level.

You have no argument to make other than fantasy to say MI is better than Pakistan international XI.

Malinga is a better T20 bowler than any Pakistan bowler ATM and even at his age is one of the best death over bowlers in the world. Check out his performances in the series against NZ a few months ago. You'll get an Idea.

About Pollard, well I say it again.....you have all my sympathies if you think the likes of Hafeez, Malik, Rizwan etc. I'm sure even Pak fans will take Pollard in a heartbeat over a couple of 40 year old has beens and guys whose stroke play is embarrassing to say the least. If you talk about Pollard's fielding and bowling , then this gets even more bad for your claim. So yes, both of them will comfortably make the Pak 11. As I said, until you actually provide me names that you think are better than the ones I mentioned instead of going on about the illogical tangibles like "int'l cricket...domestic cricket yada yada" , you are not helping yourselves much.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Malinga is a better T20 bowler than any Pakistan bowler ATM and even at his age is one of the best death over bowlers in the world. Check out his performances in the series against NZ a few months ago. You'll get an Idea.

About Pollard, well I say it again.....you have all my sympathies if you think the likes of Hafeez, Malik, Rizwan etc. I'm sure even Pak fans will take Pollard in a heartbeat over a couple of 40 year old has beens and guys whose stroke play is embarrassing to say the least. If you talk about Pollard's fielding and bowling , then this gets even more bad for your claim. So yes, both of them will comfortably make the Pak 11. As I said, until you actually provide me names that you think are better than the ones I mentioned instead of going on about the illogical tangibles like "int'l cricket...domestic cricket yada yada" , you are not helping yourselves much.

I am sorry to interrupt your dream XI match against Pakistan but two of your favortie international players from Mumbai Maachis ie Pollard and QDK averages against both Pakistan and India :

Pollard against Pak : 22
Pollard against Ind : 32

QDK against Pak : 49
QDK against Ind : 62

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

[MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] Sorry but

QDK against Ind is 68.50 not 62.

Thanks.

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] Sorry but

QDK against Ind is 68.50 not 62.

Thanks.

Balle balle! Yeh tou lol ho gaya

 

[Pakhs]

Malinga is a better T20 bowler than any Pakistan bowler ATM and even at his age is one of the best death over bowlers in the world. Check out his performances in the series against NZ a few months ago. You'll get an Idea.

About Pollard, well I say it again.....you have all my sympathies if you think the likes of Hafeez, Malik, Rizwan etc. I'm sure even Pak fans will take Pollard in a heartbeat over a couple of 40 year old has beens and guys whose stroke play is embarrassing to say the least. If you talk about Pollard's fielding and bowling , then this gets even more bad for your claim. So yes, both of them will comfortably make the Pak 11. As I said, until you actually provide me names that you think are better than the ones I mentioned instead of going on about the illogical tangibles like "int'l cricket...domestic cricket yada yada" , you are not helping yourselves much.

I am sorry to interrupt your dream XI match against Pakistan but two of your favortie international players from Mumbai Maachis ie Pollard and QDK averages against both Pakistan and India :

Pollard against Pak : 22
Pollard against Ind : 32

QDK against Pak : 49
QDK against Ind : 62

Average of 22 and he deserve a place in Pakistan XI? Malinga (36/37) better than Amir - Shaheen etc - you need to come out of your dreams and learn more about cricket. There is no way MI is better than any established international sides like Pakistan.

 

[Mesozoic]

I am sorry to interrupt your dream XI match against Pakistan but two of your favortie international players from Mumbai Maachis ie Pollard and QDK averages against both Pakistan and India :

Pollard against Pak : 22
Pollard against Ind : 32

QDK against Pak : 49
QDK against Ind : 62

Pollard played a grand total of 3 T20Is against Pakistan way back in 2016. The number's the same for QDK against India. Only a stupid troll would come to any sort of conclusion based on a sample size of a humongous number of 3 games.

 

[Mesozoic]

Average of 22 and he deserve a place in Pakistan XI? Malinga (36/37) better than Amir - Shaheen etc - you need to come out of your dreams and learn more about cricket. There is no way MI is better than any established international sides like Pakistan.

Pretty ironic how you consider Malinga's age but don't do the same for Malik and Hafeez who're "officially" three years older than him. I can't believe I have to remind you this, but in the T20s it's the SR that matters more than avg. Any team would take a guy averaging 22 and striking at 135 over a guy averaging 26 at 115. Pakistan may be an "established international side" but their current t20 team is quite average to say the least and have lost 8 (9 if not for rain) out of the 10 T20is they played last year. As I said, you don't really need a T20 dream team to beat the current Pak team. MI is more than capable of doing that more often than not.