Worst Collapse Ever in Cricket History?

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India 2nd innings R 4s 6s
SM Gavaskar c Julien b Holding 2 0 0
DB Vengsarkar lbw b Jumadeen 21 0
M Amarnath st †Murray b Jumadeen 60 7 3
S Madan Lal b Holding 8 0
S Venkataraghavan b Holding 0 0 0
SMH Kirmani† not out 0 0 0
AD Gaekwad absent hurt -
GR Viswanath absent hurt -
BP Patel absent hurt -
BS Bedi* absent hurt -
BS Chandrasekhar absent hurt
-
Extras (nb 6) 6

Total (all out; 26.2 overs) 97


http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/engine/match/63162.html

5 indians cried and run away to pavilion hiding in toilets coz of west indies bowlers:asif

somethings never change


all i wanna know is whats the excuse here:junaid
 
Actually, if we consider the lowest Test scores as collapse, then it's very easy, Newzeland's 26 & there are few <50 scores in first 50 years of Test history.

To me collapse is to loose last 7-8 wickets to finish way below from what an innings promised. Not surprisingly there are many monumental collapse done by the 2Ws or Pak Fast bowlers with the Old ball in last 35-40 years. One of the best collapse I can remember was England in Leeds '92 vs Pakistan. In reply to <200 of Pak, I think Eng was 300/1 or so, then came the 2 Ws with 15 overs old ball. I think, England were all out for 321.

Sarfaraz took 7/1 to win the MCG Test in 78-79, when Aus lost 7/10 or so. Ambi took 7/1, to close Aus 120 or so, Sohaib took 5 in 9 or 10 balls to put Aus 89/7 from 74/0.. In Karachi '94, I think Aus were 170/1, leading by 250+, 2Ws cleaned last 9 for around 60 more from one end (Boon carried the bat) & Pak chased 320.

In '81 Ashes, @ Edbeston, Botham cleaned the last 6 Aussie wicket for 1 & chasing 150 or so, Aus lost by 29-30 runs. I think, in 82-83, Imran on the flattest of tracks, inflicted 2 or 3 monumental collapse in the Indian line up. In 98-99, At Port of Spain, I think, McGrath & Gillespe close WI for 51, from 30/1 or 2. Harmission took 7/12 at Bridgetown to close last 8-9 WI wickets for 20 or so runs. These are few in my memory I have seen live or recorded; there must be some similar collapses but the Leeds & MCG one 'll difficult to match.
 
@CT

Pakisthan's 52 all out and 59 all out in the same test at sharjah should be the worst batting collapse IMO. :viv
 
@CT

Pakisthan's 52 all out and 59 all out in the same test at sharjah should be the worst batting collapse IMO. :viv

This one beats everything if we are talking about collapse. At least during the last 15 years. 20 wickets for 111 runs on flat tracks in desert !!

I am wondering if any test team in history has lost 20 wickets for 100 odd runs.
 
Does not get worse that that dreaded Sharjah Test vs Aus (52 & 59 all out).
 
lol no one seems 2 get the point :facpalm:

5 indians players were retired hurt lol coz scared of facing west indies fast bowlers...

no one is talking abt the greatest collapse lol
 
^ Check thread title. It suggests that you're asking whether that is worst collapse or not. :p
 
I think, we need to know a bit of history of that Kingston Test. It's more glory than shame for India if we know the actual story.

In '76, at PoSpain, against 3 WI spinners, India chased over 400, which made Loyd simply mad out of his normal composed personality, as he declared on 4th morning after assurance from his bowlers. He abused the 3 spinners after the match & literally shut down the path for WI spinners. During his captaincy, I don't think any spinner ever played Test for the next 9 years (I guess, Clide Butts played one, but replacing Loyd for injury).

The series was 1-1 & the last (4th) Test was at Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica; notoriously famous for uneven bounce. WI went with 4 fast men & Holding at 23, was angry enough after the mouthful he got in last Test, for not getting a single wicket, defending 400+. WI Fast bowlers unsporting started to target Indian batsmen with 5/6 men on leg side & the local umpires kept silent. The worst was for Holding & Julien to bowl 5/6 bouncers in a over with the second new ball to the Indian tail. Indian Captain Bisen Bedi, the great character that he was, declared at 306/6 (I guess) to protect his bowlers.

WI took a 80+ lead & in 2nd Innings, & once India closed the deficit, WI became desperate; even beamers were thrown by local boy Holding (He is right, he was lucky not to play during Match Referee days) & the local umpires didn't have the balls to talk with Lyod. 3/4 Indian batsmen were hurt badly & Patel was hospitalized (I am the last person to be convinced that, Gavasker, Vengsarker, Amarnath & Vishwanath were sacred by the pace). In protest to this, Bedi waited till India avoided the innings defeat & declared with four of his bowlers not coming at all in either innings.

I think Bedi was criticized for not attending the podium later, but in his illustrious career, Loyd will never be able to talk eye-ball to eye-ball for that Jamaica Test. If this Jamaica Test is referred as a scared/fixed great collapse, than I have to say that Cricket pornography version (T20) has perverted our taste.
 
@MMHS wow i didnt knew this
Seriously messed up stuff if true

5 Bouncers in an Over and Beamers not called no balls
I dont think any batsman alive would want to face this carnage D:
 
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@MMHS wow i didnt knew this
Seriously messed up stuff if true

5 Bouncers in an Over and Beamers not called no balls
I dont think any batsman alive would want to face this carnage D:



It's 70s & media coverage was so low those days. I read the story in a book by Gavasker (Idols) & in few other old Indian/Wisden articles. Again, what exactly happened don't know, as I haven't seen any footage but in those days, Umpiring in WI was a bit funny. I think, once a great WI umpire said to Bedi (I guess), "Mr. Bedi, you 'll leave this island in few days time, but I 'll have to stay with my family after this Test".

But yes, a lot of credit goes to Loyd & his Fast men for these Bouncer, Beamer, Over-rate rules that we see now days. Actually, the back-foot no-ball rule was revised to front-foot in the 60s (I guess) during Griffith & Hall.
 
@MMHS

Thats good info brother.
You say tuk tuk Gavaskar & co forced Lloyd to go with 4 pace bowlers for another decade :akhtar
 
Good old Jimmy Amarnath :19:
Performing in tough situations
 
OK why hasn't the OP been addressed?

Can someone explain how or why this happened?

:)) It is quite hilarious though.
 
I think, we need to know a bit of history of that Kingston Test. It's more glory than shame for India if we know the actual story.

In '76, at PoSpain, against 3 WI spinners, India chased over 400, which made Loyd simply mad out of his normal composed personality, as he declared on 4th morning after assurance from his bowlers. He abused the 3 spinners after the match & literally shut down the path for WI spinners. During his captaincy, I don't think any spinner ever played Test for the next 9 years (I guess, Clide Butts played one, but replacing Loyd for injury).

The series was 1-1 & the last (4th) Test was at Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica; notoriously famous for uneven bounce. WI went with 4 fast men & Holding at 23, was angry enough after the mouthful he got in last Test, for not getting a single wicket, defending 400+. WI Fast bowlers unsporting started to target Indian batsmen with 5/6 men on leg side & the local umpires kept silent. The worst was for Holding & Julien to bowl 5/6 bouncers in a over with the second new ball to the Indian tail. Indian Captain Bisen Bedi, the great character that he was, declared at 306/6 (I guess) to protect his bowlers.

WI took a 80+ lead & in 2nd Innings, & once India closed the deficit, WI became desperate; even beamers were thrown by local boy Holding (He is right, he was lucky not to play during Match Referee days) & the local umpires didn't have the balls to talk with Lyod. 3/4 Indian batsmen were hurt badly & Patel was hospitalized (I am the last person to be convinced that, Gavasker, Vengsarker, Amarnath & Vishwanath were sacred by the pace). In protest to this, Bedi waited till India avoided the innings defeat & declared with four of his bowlers not coming at all in either innings.

I think Bedi was criticized for not attending the podium later, but in his illustrious career, Loyd will never be able to talk eye-ball to eye-ball for that Jamaica Test. If this Jamaica Test is referred as a scared/fixed great collapse, than I have to say that Cricket pornography version (T20) has perverted our taste.


Ni'ce bollywood story:yk

no facts in ur fiction:wahab
 
I think, we need to know a bit of history of that Kingston Test. It's more glory than shame for India if we know the actual story.

In '76, at PoSpain, against 3 WI spinners, India chased over 400, which made Loyd simply mad out of his normal composed personality, as he declared on 4th morning after assurance from his bowlers. He abused the 3 spinners after the match & literally shut down the path for WI spinners. During his captaincy, I don't think any spinner ever played Test for the next 9 years (I guess, Clide Butts played one, but replacing Loyd for injury).

The series was 1-1 & the last (4th) Test was at Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica; notoriously famous for uneven bounce. WI went with 4 fast men & Holding at 23, was angry enough after the mouthful he got in last Test, for not getting a single wicket, defending 400+. WI Fast bowlers unsporting started to target Indian batsmen with 5/6 men on leg side & the local umpires kept silent. The worst was for Holding & Julien to bowl 5/6 bouncers in a over with the second new ball to the Indian tail. Indian Captain Bisen Bedi, the great character that he was, declared at 306/6 (I guess) to protect his bowlers.

WI took a 80+ lead & in 2nd Innings, & once India closed the deficit, WI became desperate; even beamers were thrown by local boy Holding (He is right, he was lucky not to play during Match Referee days) & the local umpires didn't have the balls to talk with Lyod. 3/4 Indian batsmen were hurt badly & Patel was hospitalized (I am the last person to be convinced that, Gavasker, Vengsarker, Amarnath & Vishwanath were sacred by the pace). In protest to this, Bedi waited till India avoided the innings defeat & declared with four of his bowlers not coming at all in either innings.

I think Bedi was criticized for not attending the podium later, but in his illustrious career, Loyd will never be able to talk eye-ball to eye-ball for that Jamaica Test. If this Jamaica Test is referred as a scared/fixed great collapse, than I have to say that Cricket pornography version (T20) has perverted our taste.

That explains it. What a wonderfully insightful post. I nominate is as the POTW. :)
 
The stage is 1996, World Cup semi final,

IND vs. SRI, IND playing at home - Calcutta Eden Gardens, India cruising, SRT cruising, SRT out, India collapse like a deck of cards. Crowd goes wild, collapse is halted by match referee, match awarded to SRI. SRI goes on to win the world cup. India hang their heads in shame.

Most certainly up there with one of the worst, perhaps most painful and ignominious, of collapses ever in Cricketing History.
 
The most humiliating batting collapse has to be this one:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/406200.html

Although the final score of 136 isn't that bad as per the normal standards of the 4th innings performance of the batting team, but the result was just so demotivating - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Fans who could not digest the dismal performance immediately started blaming their stars for match fixing. Its still one of the most talked innings.

Pakistan Vs Australia - SYDNEY TEST 2010
 
The most humiliating batting collapse has to be this one:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/406200.html

Although the final score of 136 isn't that bad as per the normal standards of the 4th innings performance of the batting team, but the result was just so demotivating - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Fans who could not digest the dismal performance immediately started blaming their stars for match fixing. Its still one of the most talked innings.

Pakistan Vs Australia - SYDNEY TEST 2010

Read the Thread SON

Now look at your fab four

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63747.html

reality gonna struck u hard again:yk

yes the famous - BRIDGETOWN, BARBADOS Test 1997:asif
#
 
@CT

still nothing can be as epic as your 53 and 59 all out :)))
 
still ur useless coz u cant' defend the thread or u cant read?

:yk

i can name many many collapses bu't read what i wrote son:junaid

i think i cant read :)

its all about epic collapses and nothing beats ur 53 and 59 drubbing IMO.
if its something else, you can teach me :)))
 
Velu, don't worry, our young kid C_T will not come up with an answer to that :)

he will divert the topic , i know very well about him :yk
but problem with him is that he will troll to the extent that we will end up in big trouble with the mods :amir
 
still your 53 and 59 is more epic than this :)))
we scored 302 and 42 and not 53 and 59 :)))

i like the way you missed our 302 :)))


still they aint the lowest innings total by an asian side in test cricket:akhtar

42 oh it had mr tuk tuk in the team
 
still your 53 and 59 is more epic than this :)))
we scored 302 and 42 and not 53 and 59 :)))

i like the way you missed our 302 :)))

I am sure this troll CT will get every Indian poster in trouble. He has been hyper active for the past 2 days or so. Where is his mom?
 
So Mr Bishen Singh Bedi who makes it a point to dig at current cricketers, actually slunk out of the first innings to save himself.... Ppl call this guy a legend :facepalm:
 
I am sure this troll CT will get every Indian poster in trouble. He has been hyper active for the past 2 days or so. Where is his mom?

calm down son

reality hurting?

lowest innings scores by asian teams in test cricket


42 by india
53 by pakistan
62 by bangla
71 by lanka

right at the top
 
still they aint the lowest innings total by an asian side in test cricket:akhtar

42 oh it had mr tuk tuk in the team

CT..
I was already in trouble once because of you :pissed:

We both can have different opinions.
I will take 53 and 59 all out as the worst collapse, and you take 302 and 42 as worst collapse.

Let peace prevail :misbah
 
So Mr Bishen Singh Bedi who makes it a point to dig at current cricketers, actually slunk out of the first innings to save himself.... Ppl call this guy a legend :facepalm:

at last some one who is making a valid point who has read the thread!
 
CT..
I was already in trouble once because of you :pissed:

We both can have different opinions.
I will take 53 and 59 all out as the worst collapse, and you take 302 and 42 as worst collapse.

Let peace prevail :misbah

trouble because of me? lol

lowest innings scores by asian teams in test cricket


42 by india
53 by pakistan
62 by bangla
71 by lanka

right at the top
 
I think, we need to know a bit of history of that Kingston Test. It's more glory than shame for India if we know the actual story.

In '76, at PoSpain, against 3 WI spinners, India chased over 400, which made Loyd simply mad out of his normal composed personality, as he declared on 4th morning after assurance from his bowlers. He abused the 3 spinners after the match & literally shut down the path for WI spinners. During his captaincy, I don't think any spinner ever played Test for the next 9 years (I guess, Clide Butts played one, but replacing Loyd for injury).

The series was 1-1 & the last (4th) Test was at Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica; notoriously famous for uneven bounce. WI went with 4 fast men & Holding at 23, was angry enough after the mouthful he got in last Test, for not getting a single wicket, defending 400+. WI Fast bowlers unsporting started to target Indian batsmen with 5/6 men on leg side & the local umpires kept silent. The worst was for Holding & Julien to bowl 5/6 bouncers in a over with the second new ball to the Indian tail. Indian Captain Bisen Bedi, the great character that he was, declared at 306/6 (I guess) to protect his bowlers.

WI took a 80+ lead & in 2nd Innings, & once India closed the deficit, WI became desperate; even beamers were thrown by local boy Holding (He is right, he was lucky not to play during Match Referee days) & the local umpires didn't have the balls to talk with Lyod. 3/4 Indian batsmen were hurt badly & Patel was hospitalized (I am the last person to be convinced that, Gavasker, Vengsarker, Amarnath & Vishwanath were sacred by the pace). In protest to this, Bedi waited till India avoided the innings defeat & declared with four of his bowlers not coming at all in either innings.

I think Bedi was criticized for not attending the podium later, but in his illustrious career, Loyd will never be able to talk eye-ball to eye-ball for that Jamaica Test. If this Jamaica Test is referred as a scared/fixed great collapse, than I have to say that Cricket pornography version (T20) has perverted our taste.


Good post MMHS ... I really didn't knew about this...:)

u r encyclopedia man.....:)
 
Good post MMHS ... I really didn't knew about this...:)

u r encyclopedia man.....:)

lol

what source? yahoo:wasim

its a fiction rather then a fact

so keep day dreaming

india cant handle west indies fast bowlers... so bedi got scared

2 indians retired hurt in first innings aswel

and we al knw how fast is bridgetown pitch is... and the bowlers in west indies were not vinay kumar:junaid
 
lol

what source? yahoo:wasim

its a fiction rather then a fact

so keep day dreaming

india cant handle west indies fast bowlers... so bedi got scared

2 indians retired hurt in first innings aswel

and we al knw how fast is bridgetown pitch is... and the bowlers in west indies were not vinay kumar:junaid

is it from yahoo???

btw going by MMHS posting history here he generally don't make up things .....I have seen his posts from day one here.....:)
 
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So Mr Bishen Singh Bedi who makes it a point to dig at current cricketers, actually slunk out of the first innings to save himself.... Ppl call this guy a legend :facepalm:



Indeed he is a legend, probably the best left-armer ever to play until the emergence of another lanky Punjabi. He was never shy of expressing his thoughts. One of the worst thing in modern day cricket is that we are missing great characters; players who 'll give his all on the field & then share a beer in the evening. After all it's a men's game. Bedi, Lille, Hadlee, Botham, Richards are those characters missing in these days game, whom either you love or hate on the field, but never carry off it.

Bedi didn't declare to save himself, he was one of those most proud Indian cricketers who can held his head high for not playing for own record. He did that in protest of the umpires not taking any action & for the unsporting attitude by the team once led by Sir Frank Worrell. In those days, there was a sporting understanding that you don't bowl bouncers to tail.

I think, he did similar things in '78 at Sialkot, when in an ODI Sarfaraz bowled consecutive bouncers, out of reach of the batsman & the Pak umpires denied to call it wide. Bedi called the batsmen in & India declared looser from a winning position.

By the way, I still am not convinced how low scores can be tagged as collapse? There are several examples when teams had been bundled within 100 in both innings, those are crashing, not collapses.
 
^
legend wants knee high bouncers

wana play only his kind of cricket? lol wah kiya logic hai

as for ur last few lines .....

the mods changed the title for some unknown reason
hmmm

lol
 
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/engine/match/63736.html

'1996 Durban

pakistan were missing saeed anwar inzi yousuf

india had sachin azhar' dravid & ganuly

100 & 66

'only younus and misbah from that team in 2002 who become greats test batsman

india had plenty yet:yk

Pakistan had a low total in both innings v Australia in that particular test match, but then if you look at the Indian batting line up, you have some real big stars in that team and yet they collapsed in both innings....India had all their main batsman playing

Tendulkar
Ganguy
Azharuddin
Dravid.....

These are one of the best Batsman India have produced and they collapsed.....

Compare the two teams.......... the Pakistan team that collapsed and the Indian team which collapsed, now which team had better batsman playing......

Every one has their own opinion..........
 
You can sugarcoat it all you like.

But the fact of the matter is this:

- the windies pace attack were fired up and hungry for revenge

- the pitch was always conducive to fast bowling (a la the Perth pitches of he '90s)

- Indias batsmen could not face the heat of the bouncers - what's this unwritten rule about not bowling bouncers to tail. Fast bowlers have always traditionally had a go at each other.

- any other team which had any semblance of respectable fast bowling attack would have seen this as an opportunity to hit back when their time came

- Indias captain knew they had no response in hi artillery to exact any sort of revenge

- and so they declared

:))

No two ways about it. Stop trying to justify it by giving it some politically charged up context that India was bein bullied and nobody was speaking out against it.

Why so serious?
 
You can sugarcoat it all you like.

But the fact of the matter is this:

- the windies pace attack were fired up and hungry for revenge

- the pitch was always conducive to fast bowling (a la the Perth pitches of he '90s)

- Indias batsmen could not face the heat of the bouncers - what's this unwritten rule about not bowling bouncers to tail. Fast bowlers have always traditionally had a go at each other.

- any other team which had any semblance of respectable fast bowling attack would have seen this as an opportunity to hit back when their time came

- Indias captain knew they had no response in hi artillery to exact any sort of revenge

- and so they declared

:))

No two ways about it. Stop trying to justify it by giving it some politically charged up context that India was bein bullied and nobody was speaking out against it.

Why so serious?



Good points, let me try to explain in my way.

Being fired up is one thing & targeting the body is another. It shows the para dime shift of Crickets' media power. In 30s Bradman was given similar treatment, which the Anglo-Aussie media made immortal history; I am sure the '76 Test would have gone similar to that, had it been 2006.

Sabina Park of 70s & 80s & WACA (For that matter, any wicket) can't be compared. There is a thick line between fast-bouncy & double paced-uneven bouncy wickets. Actually, Sabina Park is a bit different always, England had a nightmare against Patterson & Grey in 80s & a Test match was called off in '98.

Cricket has a 150 years history, it's difficult for people following or acknowledged in last 15 years to miss a lot of things (& it's very natural that attraction to pornography is always higher than classics in general) . Due to lack of protective gears, even in late 80s, bowling bouncers to 9, 10 & Jack was booed, even by the bowling side's crowd.

None had any issues against WI in 80s with 4 giants taking the opportunity, but Loyd tried to hit out of his frustration. Ok, he was right in his context.

Regarding declaration, you are wrong. I am sure in this at least, as I read it from a very respectable person's book. Bedi tried to win the match & once they past 300, he decided to protect Chanda & his wrist & fingers to give his team a chance. They were too ordinary batsmen (Chandra has more Test wickets than run) to make any impact. In second innings, he declared on frustration & as a protest to Loyd's tactics & the umpires' silence. (That was loosing case, but he took similar decision from a winning position at Shahiwal)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63162.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64167.html

I don't know what politics is to do with it? We are fortunate now days that we have such a nice web called Cricinfo. Why don't you browse there & see yourself how scared Gavasker, Vengsarker, Amarnath & Vishanath had been against quality pace?
 
Good points, let me try to explain in my way.

Being fired up is one thing & targeting the body is another. It shows the para dime shift of Crickets' media power. In 30s Bradman was given similar treatment, which the Anglo-Aussie media made immortal history; I am sure the '76 Test would have gone similar to that, had it been 2006.

Sabina Park of 70s & 80s & WACA (For that matter, any wicket) can't be compared. There is a thick line between fast-bouncy & double paced-uneven bouncy wickets. Actually, Sabina Park is a bit different always, England had a nightmare against Patterson & Grey in 80s & a Test match was called off in '98.

Cricket has a 150 years history, it's difficult for people following or acknowledged in last 15 years to miss a lot of things (& it's very natural that attraction to pornography is always higher than classics in general) . Due to lack of protective gears, even in late 80s, bowling bouncers to 9, 10 & Jack was booed, even by the bowling side's crowd.

None had any issues against WI in 80s with 4 giants taking the opportunity, but Loyd tried to hit out of his frustration. Ok, he was right in his context.

Regarding declaration, you are wrong. I am sure in this at least, as I read it from a very respectable person's book. Bedi tried to win the match & once they past 300, he decided to protect Chanda & his wrist & fingers to give his team a chance. They were too ordinary batsmen (Chandra has more Test wickets than run) to make any impact. In second innings, he declared on frustration & as a protest to Loyd's tactics & the umpires' silence. (That was loosing case, but he took similar decision from a winning position at Shahiwal)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63162.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64167.html

I don't know what politics is to do with it? We are fortunate now days that we have such a nice web called Cricinfo. Why don't you browse there & see yourself how scared Gavasker, Vengsarker, Amarnath & Vishanath had been against quality pace?

I never said Gavaskar and co were scared of fast bowling. Sunil was probably one of the best players against fast bowling.

What I said was the tailenders were scared or the captain was scared for them.

Either way you look at it - the decision out of frustration should be considered against the spirit of the game if anything.

If a Pakistani team did this then I would be lambasting the decision just the same.
 
LOL @ OP :)) Amarnath saved some pride, what a phenomenal fighter he was!



Anyway Lankans today went from 172-2 to 201 all out. :)))
 
Headingley 92: eng 270-1 became 320 all out.

Sa v pak: Durban odi around 93: needed 50 to win (sa) with 9 wickets in hand. They lost by 25 runs
 
lost 8 wickets for 29 runs.

one of the greatest collapse in recent memory
 
Sri Lanka against Pakistan in Sharjah.

The match which was tied. Both teams were dismissed for 196 :razzaq
 
@MMHS

You told the right story.WI umpiring was dire for most of its history.The crowd is/was so rowdy there that umpires were scared of them.Remember WI had lost the home series to India in 1971 so they were facing the ignominy of losing another one home series to India.

This is the reason why Holding isnt spoken in the same line as Marshall among Indian cricketers and old fans.Marshall always played within the rules,Holding would bend them and break them.

In that test match more than Julian it was Daniel who was the beast.
 
Is OP on opium?

What MMHS says is absolutely true, you can read the intimidation tactics employed by WI in this innings in the old articles.

GR Vishwanath was one of the finest players of fast bowling and OP is thinking that Vishy was scared of WI fast bowlers. Nice joke there. On a fast grassy pitch in Madras he took on a rampaging Roberts and scored a match winning innings. Actually, Andy Roberts rates Vishwanath better than Gavaskar on dangerous pitches.

If you are accusing the Indian team with a lineup of Gavaskar, Amarnath, Vengsarkar and Vishwanath being scared then you should check their records against WI. All of them scored very decently against WI pace bowlers, and from Pakistan during that era only Wasim Raja scored superbly and consistently against WI, whereas rest of the Pakistani batsmen were not that great.
 
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@MMHS. Take a bow :bow: What a wonderful post!
 
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Headingley 92: eng 270-1 became 320 all out.

Sa v pak: Durban odi around 93: needed 50 to win (sa) with 9 wickets in hand. They lost by 25 runs

Pakistan 280-2? I think and then 320 all out vs Sri Lanka 2009
 
Sri Lanka getting all out to 80 odd in the second innings on the final day's post lunch session vs England (2011) was epic
 
I remember that session and that test because what followed it was an epic drubbing for us in over a decade :)) 0 (India) - 4 (England)
 
Pakistan 280-2? I think and then 320 all out vs Sri Lanka 2009

Remember that well, it was happening throughout the series :kula

At the time i felt it may have been deliberate to undermine :yk captaincy
 
I think, we need to know a bit of history of that Kingston Test. It's more glory than shame for India if we know the actual story.

In '76, at PoSpain, against 3 WI spinners, India chased over 400, which made Loyd simply mad out of his normal composed personality, as he declared on 4th morning after assurance from his bowlers. He abused the 3 spinners after the match & literally shut down the path for WI spinners. During his captaincy, I don't think any spinner ever played Test for the next 9 years (I guess, Clide Butts played one, but replacing Loyd for injury).

The series was 1-1 & the last (4th) Test was at Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica; notoriously famous for uneven bounce. WI went with 4 fast men & Holding at 23, was angry enough after the mouthful he got in last Test, for not getting a single wicket, defending 400+. WI Fast bowlers unsporting started to target Indian batsmen with 5/6 men on leg side & the local umpires kept silent. The worst was for Holding & Julien to bowl 5/6 bouncers in a over with the second new ball to the Indian tail. Indian Captain Bisen Bedi, the great character that he was, declared at 306/6 (I guess) to protect his bowlers.

WI took a 80+ lead & in 2nd Innings, & once India closed the deficit, WI became desperate; even beamers were thrown by local boy Holding (He is right, he was lucky not to play during Match Referee days) & the local umpires didn't have the balls to talk with Lyod. 3/4 Indian batsmen were hurt badly & Patel was hospitalized (I am the last person to be convinced that, Gavasker, Vengsarker, Amarnath & Vishwanath were sacred by the pace). In protest to this, Bedi waited till India avoided the innings defeat & declared with four of his bowlers not coming at all in either innings.

I think Bedi was criticized for not attending the podium later, but in his illustrious career, Loyd will never be able to talk eye-ball to eye-ball for that Jamaica Test. If this Jamaica Test is referred as a scared/fixed great collapse, than I have to say that Cricket pornography version (T20) has perverted our taste.

Bedi was always an interesting individual. he would be the first one to call foul play if his team is not the one getting benefit from it. But if the benefit was for team india then everything is fair.

It is amazing that bedi who declared at Jemica to protest against the negativity of WI bowler...same Bedi 2 seasons later instructed his bowlers to bowl short or down the legside so that Pakistani batsmen can not hit the ball.
 
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BS Bedi was a colorful character - BUT he was never shy of calling a spade as spade. For that, the autocratic BCCI never enjoyed his Captaincy or Management. Besides, he made one of the most strongest lobbies in cricket world his enemy - Sunil Gavasker & Bombay (Mumbai) lobby. After Pataudi retired, there were 3 major candidates for IND Captaincy - SM G, BS B & S Venkatraghaban. On Merit & experience BSB was miles ahead - probably the best ever left arm spinner, 10 years in County, played AUS league Cricket (he is married to an Aussie Lady), but for the Bombay lobby, BCCI had to pick a compromise choice - someone who was 4th spinner of the team & shouldn't have made the team over Goel as 4th spinner - Venkat. They picked 2 Offies, but never tried 2 left-arm spinners in playing XI. The wrong-headed great little man from Bombay never forget that - but he was well educated, for the next 40 years, we have seen intellectual bashing for BSB from him - a sophisticated verbal masturbation of the character & antics of BS B. It was not only BSB - any Indian Captain from 1975 to 1987 wasn't given respite - Venkat, Kapil, Dulip, Srikkanth.... may be apart from Vishy (that was in-law case).

Now, for the incident that you are telling, I guess it's from the Shahiwal ODI on 1978 - the story I know was completely opposite - IND was on their way to chase the target, Sarfraz bowled 4 consecutive bouncers, flying well out of the reach of the batsman & Umpires didn't have the Balls to call it wide - so BS B called of his players & conceded the match. His logic was simple - Umpires wanted PAK to win at any cost, I made their task easier ... AND I SALUTE BISHEN SINGH BEDI for that.

Check the score card here
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64167.html


Bedi played the game in right spirit, we might not like it, but he wasn't a coward & he didn't play for his stats - enough for me.

By the way, just wondering, where this [MENTION=58237]CORNERED-TIGER[/MENTION] gentleman is these days.
 
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BS Bedi was a colorful character - BUT he was never shy of calling a spade as spade. For that, the autocratic BCCI never enjoyed his Captaincy or Management. Besides, he made one of the most strongest lobbies in cricket world his enemy - Sunil Gavasker & Bombay (Mumbai) lobby. After Pataudi retired, there were 3 major candidates for IND Captaincy - SM G, BS B & S Venkatraghaban. On Merit & experience BSB was miles ahead - probably the best ever left arm spinner, 10 years in County, played AUS league Cricket (he is married to an Aussie Lady), but for the Bombay lobby, BCCI had to pick a compromise choice - someone who was 4th spinner of the team & shouldn't have made the team over Goel as 4th spinner - Venkat. They picked 2 Offies, but never tried 2 left-arm spinners in playing XI. The wrong-headed great little man from Bombay never forget that - but he was well educated, for the next 40 years, we have seen intellectual bashing for BSB from him - a sophisticated verbal masturbation of the character & antics of BS B. It was not only BSB - any Indian Captain from 1975 to 1987 wasn't given respite - Venkat, Kapil, Dulip, Srikkanth.... may be apart from Vishy (that was in-law case).

Now, for the incident that you are telling, I guess it's from the Shahiwal ODI on 1978 - the story I know was completely opposite - IND was on their way to chase the target, Sarfraz bowled 4 consecutive bouncers, flying well out of the reach of the batsman & Umpires didn't have the Balls to call it wide - so BS B called of his players & conceded the match. His logic was simple - Umpires wanted PAK to win at any cost, I made their task easier ... AND I SALUTE BISHEN SINGH BEDI for that.

Check the score card here
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64167.html


Bedi played the game in right spirit, we might not like it, but he wasn't a coward & he didn't play for his stats - enough for me.

By the way, just wondering, where this [MENTION=58237]CORNERED-TIGER[/MENTION] gentleman is these days.

Actually sahiwal one day happened after the Quetta one day wwhere it waa bsb who used negative bowling tactics. Not only in Quetta but also in test series where Pak had to chase twice. There was a clip of majid Khan protesting against kapil and bsb to umpires..saw it somewhere little while back.

Mushtaqm had anticipated that from bedi as bsb played under mm in county circuit so to utilize bdb's tactics against him he promoted JM up the order in at least one of those two chases so that from non striker end JM could quickly and steel bye runs as that was a way to negate bsb's strategy.
 
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