Would Pakistan have chased down the 402-run target if rain didn’t stop play in the match against New Zealand?

[AAli98]

Doubt it with mentally weak players like shakeel Salman to come 200/1 would have become 290/8

They would have made Daryl Mitchell into Hadlee, there’s a reason why 400+ has been chased only once.

 

[heddie19]

For Pakistan to make 400 Fakhar would need to have made atleast 240 himself in 25 overs. Even then the rest of the batters would likely have found a way to mess up a 6rpo target.

We know that Babar Rizwan at best are 100-110 SR guys. Ifti is a slogger who'd get 30(20) on his best day. Game would have ended very quickly once Fakhar got out

Babar Rizwan can easily play at 125-130 in bengaluru.

 

[Major]

come on bro, you’re Muslim right? Astronomy, palm readers etc are shirk.

This is not from me, this is how it is in the Quran and Hadith.

Make dua if you really want us to go to semis and lift the trophy, not these grifters.

Allah gave us victory after we got smashed for 400, no one predicted that

Bro i just need some hope that this pakistani team makes it to the semis somehow. Because sri lanka being nz is a long shot

 

[Rana]

In a chase like this, you can only afford 1 of your big guns to take a bit of time to settle in.

Fakhar took that time in the first 3 overs and then went extremely hard.

The other big gun or so called big gun in the side was Iftikhar. He has never ever (from my recalling) hit the ground running from ball 1. He always takes 10-15 balls to get a feel of the wicket and then cuts lose.

One wicket of Fakhar and then NZ would have built pressure through the 6-7 dot balls to each new batsman. It’s a very different game once each dot adds 0.3-0.5 to the required rate in such a high chase

 

[RehanG]

"Would' "Could" "Maybe" Did it happend? No,

Could it have been chased? Yes, the way they were going was highly possible given the NZ bowling and what they had to offer.
Could it have been chased? No, One or two wickets and run rates climbs up, and a collapse would mean NZ win by 60-100 runs.

 

[Mamoon]

I think Pakistan got lucky.

Fakhar was having one of those days where everything was clicking for him, but he was going after everything (and you have to when you are chasing 400) and he was bound to miscue one at some point.

Babar wouldn’t have been able to do jack without him and the longer he bats, the better it is for the opposition when they are defending a big total against Pakistan.

The middle-order cannot handle the pressure. Pakistan would have fallen short by 40-50 runs.

 

[mominsaigol]

I think Pakistan got lucky.

Fakhar was having one of those days where everything was clicking for him, but he was going after everything (and you have to when you are chasing 400) and he was bound to miscue one at some point.

Babar wouldn’t have been able to do jack without him and the longer he bats, the better it is for the opposition when they are defending a big total against Pakistan.

The middle-order cannot handle the pressure. Pakistan would have fallen short by 40-50 runs.

Pakistan oobviously got lucky.

Whole team is spineless, fakhar is your only modern era bat. If imam was batting babar would have cost us via dls the way he was playing.

 

[ghalib kichlu]

No chance although we would have got another 180 in the next 20 hours
Once fakhar had been dismissed by reverse swing, the team would struggle with run rate and batsman after batsman would have got out in the field

 

[Thephenom]

Only Pakistan can concede 400 runs and still win because of the rain and some power hitting that came out of nowhere, don’t explain it, enjoy it!

 

[emranabbas]

In a chase like this, you can only afford 1 of your big guns to take a bit of time to settle in.

Fakhar took that time in the first 3 overs and then went extremely hard.

The other big gun or so called big gun in the side was Iftikhar. He has never ever (from my recalling) hit the ground running from ball 1. He always takes 10-15 balls to get a feel of the wicket and then cuts lose.

One wicket of Fakhar and then NZ would have built pressure through the 6-7 dot balls to each new batsman. It’s a very different game once each dot adds 0.3-0.5 to the required rate in such a high chase

But apparently fakhar would have played till the 50th over if not rizzu bhai saud bhai and iftikhar bhai would have replicate fakhars innings

 

[mominsaigol]

But apparently fakhar would have played till the 50th over if not rizzu bhai saud bhai and iftikhar bhai would have replicate fakhars innings

Yes rizzu the goat

 

[ahmadharis1]

No way in hell, they would've gotten fairly close though but not enough firepower to maintain that run rate

 

[topspin]

Only if Fakhar scored a 200+

I certain wouldn't have placed my bets against him scoring that many runs with the way he was destroying the New Zealand bowlers.

 

[shokz1408]

I think they were en route to win it, assuming fakhar stayed there. Not at any point did NZ bowlers looked like taking a wicket and it was a 194 run partnership. Sixes were being hit with such ease, boundaries were small too, it was defo on, would have been highly entertaining to watch.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

After the 30th over they would have collapsed.

 

[Aman]

It depended on how Fakhar went. If we got him before 180-190 we probably would have closed it out,

Aus had a better start and we came back and had it not been for Cummins kept them down to 350.

 

[Aman]

Chasing 400 is no joke. It’s very difficult to maintain that rate no matter the pitch or the bowling. We saw that in the Aus-NZ game when the chase was on. We saw that in the pak v Aus game when the chase was on.

Pakistan still needed Fakhar to bat as well as he did for those 25 overs over another 25 overs. NZ just needed him out.

We got lucky.

Aus were on course to put on 450+ at one point. Really early on when Warner and Head were going they were on track for 500.

 

[giri26]

Pakistan were well on their way but again if Fakhar had got out you never know. Babar was playing run a ball which was good for the situation with Fakhar but would he have taken over as the aggressor after the latter got out, not sure?

 

[shehz]

Australia was 74/4 in the 17th over. Of course, they would have lost. Wrong yardstick to use. Pakistan was 200/1 in the 25th over. I don’t care what anybody says, Pakistan needed 200 from 25 over. That’s doable any day on that pitch and especially against the weak NZ bowling lineup with only 2 pacers who by the 25th over only 9 overs of pace remained. Give me a break!

Even the NZ captain thought there was no way his team was going to win.

I agree. It's puzzling why people are fixated on the idea of chasing 400. Had it been a washout, I bet all Pakistani fans would've hailed it as lucky break for Pakistan. However, we managed to score 200/1 in 25 overs. The real question is whether pursuing 200 runs in 25 overs, with nine wickets in hand, two well-set batsmen at the crease, short boundaries and ideal batting conditions, is feasible or not. Dont forget Pakistani recently had a record chase against Sri Lanka. Imagine if that game got rained out.

 

[mominsaigol]

Only if Fakhar scored a 200+

I certain wouldn't have placed my bets against him scoring that many runs with the way he was destroying the New Zealand bowlers.

Pakistan got lucky bro, this isn't India, If rohit was smashing like this, kohli and Gill would have given him a backing.

Rohit smashed a quick fire 40 and to compliment him Gill smashed 3 boundaries consecutively.

People praising the way babar was playing aka waiting for sodhi and Mitchell to attack have no clue what their talking about.

If fakhar had even departed at over 35 and not batted all the way, Pakistan would have botched it 100%. Babar and rizzu need falhar hand holding to function, a fact babar himself has admitted.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

I was witnessing it live, Fakhar was hitting monster sixes and middling everything. Batting was extremely easy especially under the lights. 200 required from 150 on phatta wicket with small boundaries was not difficult at all. Pak would have made history.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan was well on course to chase that total and break their own record. The batting was looking like buttery smooth. Fakhar was in some form and Babar was also complimenting him nicely.

 

[topspin]

Pakistan got lucky bro, this isn't India, If rohit was smashing like this, kohli and Gill would have given him a backing.

Rohit smashed a quick fire 40 and to compliment him Gill smashed 3 boundaries consecutively.

People praising the way babar was playing aka waiting for sodhi and Mitchell to attack have no clue what their talking about.

If fakhar had even departed at over 35 and not batted all the way, Pakistan would have botched it 100%. Babar and rizzu need falhar hand holding to function, a fact babar himself has admitted.

The funny thing is Rizwan needed Abdullah Shafique to hold his hand during that Sri Lanka innings. I actually thought Shafique's knock was better but he didn't get the recognition because he didn't score as many runs nor did he stay till the end.

Rizwan faced 18 deliveries more but still ended up with a lower strike rate and as we know, Shafique is still on the raw side. Shows how overrated Rizwan is.

 

[mominsaigol]

The funny thing is Rizwan needed Abdullah Shafique to hold his hand during that Sri Lanka innings. I actually thought Shafique's knock was better but he didn't get the recognition because he didn't score as many runs nor did he stay till the end.

Rizwan faced 18 deliveries more but still ended up with a lower strike rate and as we know, Shafique is still on the raw side. Shows how overrated Rizwan is.

The rizwan innings was good. It was a good innings and I won't try to demean his innings even if it was against a weak attack.

It does deserve praise. Problem is when someone plays so much, they'll eventually perform, like nasir jamshed against India or shehzad playing a very crucial knock against bamgaldesh in a semi final.

My issue is, that innings was somehow enough for fans to act like he's superior to quinton and they just comvientally forget that not only did he fail 4 innings in a row after cause the attacks were now semi decent to extremely good,

He also botched things in past like taking 10 overs to get to 67 in the semi final of aus, which caused us to be 30 rums short, same with babar who in that very innings took 6 overs to get to 39, leaving 4 overs for the lower order to bash lmao.

Same with Asia cup final, target was 159 cause of 11 wides, and he had zero pressure but his 55 of 49 coat us again amd put us to chase 60 of 24 in the last 4.

In t20 wc 2022, he didnt do squat for the whole tournament minus the NZ game where he was given respite but fair enough 1 good innings just like India 2021 was a good innings.

In odi's in the asia cup he had another good score against Sri Lanka, but pretty much vanished for the rest of the cup, against afg series he played a horrible innings which forced shadab amd naseem to perform a miracle and chase 302.

And theirs obviously 2 100's against d string aus in 2019

Overall If you count everything

That's 6 good knocks played in 8 years since his debut vs 25(idk I could be wrong since I may have counted badly) games where he himself is responsible for us losing or costing us games.

^^ Keep in mind this 25 is when he performed and we lost the game, I'm obviously not counting the games he didn't score altogether cause the track record would exceed 100+ lol, especially if you factor his embrassing NZ test series .


Compared to fakhar, whenever fakhar has performed, Pakistan has a 95% win ratio, only a few games like India 2019, and that sa game 194 and a few others where fakhar has failed to chase it down if he's performed.

Fakhar's win ratio if he performs= 95%
RIzwan's win ratio if he performs= 24%

 

[mominsaigol]

B

The rizwan innings was good. It was a good innings and I won't try to demean his innings even if it was against a weak attack.

It does deserve praise. Problem is when someone plays so much, they'll eventually perform, like nasir jamshed against India or shehzad playing a very crucial knock against bamgaldesh in a semi final.

My issue is, that innings was somehow enough for fans to act like he's superior to quinton and they just comvientally forget that not only did he fail 4 innings in a row after cause the attacks were now semi decent to extremely good,

He also botched things in past like taking 10 overs to get to 67 in the semi final of aus, which caused us to be 30 rums short, same with babar who in that very innings took 6 overs to get to 39, leaving 4 overs for the lower order to bash lmao.

Same with Asia cup final, target was 159 cause of 11 wides, and he had zero pressure but his 55 of 49 coat us again amd put us to chase 60 of 24 in the last 4.

In t20 wc 2022, he didnt do squat for the whole tournament minus the NZ game where he was given respite but fair enough 1 good innings just like India 2021 was a good innings.

In odi's in the asia cup he had another good score against Sri Lanka, but pretty much vanished for the rest of the cup, against afg series he played a horrible innings which forced shadab amd naseem to perform a miracle and chase 302.

And theirs obviously 2 100's against d string aus in 2019

Overall If you count everything

That's 6 good knocks played in 8 years since his debut vs 25(idk I could be wrong since I may have counted badly) games where he himself is responsible for us losing or costing us games.

^^ Keep in mind this 25 is when he performed and we lost the game, I'm obviously not counting the games he didn't score altogether cause the track record would exceed 100+ lol, especially if you factor his embrassing NZ test series .


Compared to fakhar, whenever fakhar has performed, Pakistan has a 95% win ratio, only a few games like India 2019, and that sa game 194 and a few others where fakhar has failed to chase it down if he's performed.

Fakhar's win ratio if he performs= 95%
RIzwan's win ratio if he performs= 24%

BTW incase someone claims I'm lying and pulling random numbers I'll actually do the math for you

2015

Game 1: 13th Nov 2015= Pakistan played England in pdi where England scored 283, Pakistan collapsed and sarfraz and rizzu were batting at the crease, Rizzu took 37 balls to get a meager 13 score putting pressure on sarfi, Sarfi batted well at a sr of 90 taking his score to 67, these guys were bast batting pair, but rizzu throws his wicket away which triggers a final collapse, Overs were their, if these 2 stayed they'd have won, Instead he wasted 6 overs and puts pressure on sarfi, his fault for increasing thr rr to epic proportions and throwing his wicket and causing the final collapse.

Game 2: 31st Jan 2016 Pak vs NZ

Rizwan and sarfraz are once again the last batting pair. Deapite being set, rizwan gets run out via a suicidal run which causes us to be a few runs short as it triggers a tail ender collapse. Nz end up winning by 3 runs dls, rizwan just had to bat through the final 5 overs.


game 3: Asia cup final:

Pakistan needed to chase down 159 but rizwan botched it with a 55 of 49 and causes the rr to go to over 10.

Game 4: aus semi final

Him and Babar waste 16 overs not getting the required score due to a slow as molasses 39 and 60+ score.

Game 5: NZ test series

Got embarrassed by Sarfraz here lol.

Game 6: NZ t20 game

Forces imad waseem to get a single even though imad was striking g at 150+ just so he can get his 100, we end up being atleast 8 to 10 runs short causing mark Chapman to chase it down

Game 7: Aug 13-17th West Indies test series

Pakistan end up collapsing to a toothless wi attack, Rizwan and fawad are the last pair before the tail cones in, fawad gets dismissed and rizwan kept and kept rotating ateike giving it to the tailenders, the tail collapses and rizzu himself gets out on 30, Wi end up winning by one wicket cause again we were 20 to 30 runs short, cause of rizzu's habit of giving tail ender 99% of the strike

Game 8: March 29th 2019

Despite Rizwan's so called 104, He gets out at the 49th over, when he had to chase 8 of it. He was in form, striking and gets out, because he can't soak the pressure, previous over he was rotating strike to imad to hand hold so he could get his 100 ehich wasn't that fast.

These are 8 games I've listed so far, would you like me to list the rest?

Or are people still going to find some excuse to say things like, Bro cricket is a team game or this wasn't rizzu's fault yada yada?

Trust me boys, I can keep going

 

[mominsaigol]

B

BTW incase someone claims I'm lying and pulling random numbers I'll actually do the math for you

2015

Game 1: 13th Nov 2015= Pakistan played England in pdi where England scored 283, Pakistan collapsed and sarfraz and rizzu were batting at the crease, Rizzu took 37 balls to get a meager 13 score putting pressure on sarfi, Sarfi batted well at a sr of 90 taking his score to 67, these guys were bast batting pair, but rizzu throws his wicket away which triggers a final collapse, Overs were their, if these 2 stayed they'd have won, Instead he wasted 6 overs and puts pressure on sarfi, his fault for increasing thr rr to epic proportions and throwing his wicket and causing the final collapse.

Game 2: 31st Jan 2016 Pak vs NZ

Rizwan and sarfraz are once again the last batting pair. Deapite being set, rizwan gets run out via a suicidal run which causes us to be a few runs short as it triggers a tail ender collapse. Nz end up winning by 3 runs dls, rizwan just had to bat through the final 5 overs.


game 3: Asia cup final:

Pakistan needed to chase down 159 but rizwan botched it with a 55 of 49 and causes the rr to go to over 10.

Game 4: aus semi final

Him and Babar waste 16 overs not getting the required score due to a slow as molasses 39 and 60+ score.

Game 5: NZ test series

Got embarrassed by Sarfraz here lol.

Game 6: NZ t20 game

Forces imad waseem to get a single even though imad was striking g at 150+ just so he can get his 100, we end up being atleast 8 to 10 runs short causing mark Chapman to chase it down

Game 7: Aug 13-17th West Indies test series

Pakistan end up collapsing to a toothless wi attack, Rizwan and fawad are the last pair before the tail cones in, fawad gets dismissed and rizwan kept and kept rotating ateike giving it to the tailenders, the tail collapses and rizzu himself gets out on 30, Wi end up winning by one wicket cause again we were 20 to 30 runs short, cause of rizzu's habit of giving tail ender 99% of the strike

Game 8: March 29th 2019

Despite Rizwan's so called 104, He gets out at the 49th over, when he had to chase 8 of it. He was in form, striking and gets out, because he can't soak the pressure, previous over he was rotating strike to imad to hand hold so he could get his 100 ehich wasn't that fast.

These are 8 games I've listed so far, would you like me to list the rest?

Or are people still going to find some excuse to say things like, Bro cricket is a team game or this wasn't rizzu's fault yada yada?

Trust me boys, I can keep going

@Rana You're free to quote this post of you wish, And if people want the other games, I'm happy to quote those well, I just got tired of writing lol, but I'll write the other games soon

 

[Kianig89]

Pakistan became the second team after SA to concede 400+ and win the game , gangsta