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Would you rather have Misbah-ul-Haq as a Test batsmen over Babar Azam?

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Misbah always scored 50+ and bailed the team out of pressure


Babar doesn't do that and tends to bottle it under pressure.

I would take Misbah the test batsmen over Babar

Discuss.
 
Nope, Babar is a much better batsman than Misbah.

Babar is not among the top 3-4 batsmen, but it hardly means that Misbah was better than Babar.
 
Babar is 26, he shouldn't be compared with guys who have retired after playing 10+ years of international cricket.

Have some patience! Based on his potential, I think he will end up at Inzamam and Yousuf level across all formats. In tests solely, he may end up slightly below Younis but still a world class all-format batsman.

Younis was a world class test batsman and once he got his eyes in, he would make the opposition suffer. Pakistan's greatest test batsman of all-time with over 30 test hundreds to his name.
 
Once again all PP care is about is nice technique when batting instead of runs under pressure.
 
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Misbah averaged 16 in aus 40 in england 37 in nz 22 in sa. Bailing out the team with his 30s and 40s.
 
Misbah's hundred in Lords 2016 is one of the memorable test knocks played by an Asian batsman in England conditions.

It is a knock with which every Asian should be proud of. Leading from the front.

These statistical average of 35,40,45 in a particular country don't explain the importance of the knock.

Babar has much higher ceiling but he hasn't played any knock in his test career which can tie the shoelace of that epic Misbah knock at Lords.
 
Lol at thread title

Would you rather own a Vauxhall Corsa or a Mercedes S class?
 
People severely underrating Misbah here. Misbah was a very good test batsman especially under pressure.
 
People severely underrating Misbah here. Misbah was a very good test batsman especially under pressure.

I agree but he wasnt that consistent. Only 10 test 10s. Besides the comparison dosent make sense because babar bats at 4 and misbah scored 80 percent of his runs at 5 averaging 50. I think babar would benefit from having a line up of azhar as opener younis at 3, misbah at 5, prime asad shafiq at 6.
 
I agree but he wasnt that consistent. Only 10 test 10s. Besides the comparison dosent make sense because babar bats at 4 and misbah scored 80 percent of his runs at 5 averaging 50. I think babar would benefit from having a line up of azhar as opener younis at 3, misbah at 5, prime asad shafiq at 6.

Misbah averaged about 55, since he came back to the Pakistan side in 2010 and became captain. Thats a phenomenal batting record to have as a captain and shows how good he was under pressure. Babar would do well to even average 45 as a captain.
 
Not sure what's going on in Baber's mind but I can tell you this, If Misbah was playing this match, he would be thinking on ways as how to avoid the defeat by drawing the match and win the series 1-0. You know, "safe play".

And this could still be the way to go as Misbah is part of the Think Tank and Baber is a yes man of a toothless captain.
 
I would say whoever picks Misbah over Babar needs to be put in mental asylum
 
Misbah's hundred in Lords 2016 is one of the memorable test knocks played by an Asian batsman in England conditions.

It is a knock with which every Asian should be proud of. Leading from the front.

These statistical average of 35,40,45 in a particular country don't explain the importance of the knock.

Babar has much higher ceiling but he hasn't played any knock in his test career which can tie the shoelace of that epic Misbah knock at Lords.

Only memorable thing about that knock was Misbah's salute, thats all I can remember. Infact that knock wasn't even the best on that tour from Pakistan side. Younis's double hundred at oval was the real memorable one.

24 year old Babar's 68* at Lords (before he got retired hut) was as clutch as that Misbah innings.

This is joke of a thread considering that Babar has his best years ahead of him.
 
Dear oh dear. Misbah bailed us out? Name me 5 times Misbah bailed the team out and we won.

Babar needs to convert his starts for sure, but to compare him to such a listless and average cricketer like Misbah is criminal
 
Only memorable thing about that knock was Misbah's salute, thats all I can remember. Infact that knock wasn't even the best on that tour from Pakistan side. Younis's double hundred at oval was the real memorable one.

24 year old Babar's 68* at Lords (before he got retired hut) was as clutch as that Misbah innings.

This is joke of a thread considering that Babar has his best years ahead of him.

That knock was the knock of the leader in mission.

On an overseas tour, you need an inspirational knock to set the stage for a great series. Nothing is bigger than an inspirational knock coming from your captain with salute and push-ups following up.

In 2003, Saurav Ganguly led Indian team and set them a stage with a brilliant inspirational test hundred on bouncy GABBA wicket of those days.

In 2008, Graeme Smith led South Africa to a great test win at Perth and set the sight for a test series win.

In 2016, Misbah did the same with an inspirational match winning performance in Lords 2016 and ensured that the whole team gets inspired and delivered their best with such performances.

About 36 days ago, Indian temporary captain Ajinkya Rahane set the foundation of what was coming to be an unbelievable test win with an inspirational match winning test century in Melbourne. That uplifted the whole body language of the team and they went on to win the test series.

These knocks are truly inspirational and are beyond any average of 30s or 40s or good looking 52 or 68. Misbah's knock at Lords 2016 set the foundation for a terrific test series draw for Pakistan vs England in England conditions.

It was a tremendous knock by all means and none of Babar's knock is anywhere close to that. Babar has a higher ceiling as a test bat but he has a long way to go to be considered a great test bat.
 
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Very strange thread.

One guy played 75 tests and has retired.

Other is 26 and played 31 till now. How can we compare one person's full career with the other who has at least 7/8 years left.
 
Yup, the guy would perform under pressure.

This shopper stars bottle under pressure, but the best of Misbah came under pressure situations. If he had a weakness he would do enough to survive against is. As he crossed 40, he wasn't as good agianst Pace as he was in the past, yet the guy knew how to survive those overs. If he blocked too much, he would make up for it against that one spinner by attacking him.

THe advantage of Misbah was that he knew how to mess up the lines of a spinner. Thus, if Misbah was batting at one end and babar azam at the other end, Misbah would resort to his reverse sweep and the other sweep shots. This was done just to toy with the spinners line and length.

Babar Azam just can't play spin, and this is not even the UAE. Babar Azam needs to learn to atleast survive against spin so that he could make it up against the pacers.

Barbar Azam is a good batsmen, but i fear i really really really fear that he might end up becoming an Umar Akmal. I really hope thats not the case with this guy.
 
That knock was the knock of the leader in mission.

On an overseas tour, you need an inspirational knock to set the stage for a great series. Nothing is bigger than an inspirational knock coming from your captain with salute and push-ups following up.

In 2003, Saurav Ganguly led Indian team and set them a stage with a brilliant inspirational test hundred on bouncy GABBA wicket of those days.

In 2008, Graeme Smith led South Africa to a great test win at Perth and set the sight for a test series win.

In 2016, Misbah did the same with an inspirational match winning performance in Lords 2016 and ensured that the whole team gets inspired and delivered their best with such performances.

About 36 days ago, Indian temporary captain Ajinkya Rahane set the foundation of what was coming to be an unbelievable test win with an inspirational match winning test century in Melbourne. That uplifted the whole body language of the team and they went on to win the test series.

These knocks are truly inspirational and are beyond any average of 30s or 40s or good looking 52 or 68. Misbah's knock at Lords 2016 set the foundation for a terrific test series draw for Pakistan vs England in England conditions.

It was a tremendous knock by all means and none of Babar's knock is anywhere close to that. Babar has a higher ceiling as a test bat but he has a long way to go to be considered a great test bat.

Have you seen Babar's 90 in NZ ? None of Misbah's innings even come close.

If we are considering knocks of leaders than it is important to point out that this is Babar's first series as captain.
 
Yup, the guy would perform under pressure.

This shopper stars bottle under pressure, but the best of Misbah came under pressure situations. If he had a weakness he would do enough to survive against is. As he crossed 40, he wasn't as good agianst Pace as he was in the past, yet the guy knew how to survive those overs. If he blocked too much, he would make up for it against that one spinner by attacking him.

THe advantage of Misbah was that he knew how to mess up the lines of a spinner. Thus, if Misbah was batting at one end and babar azam at the other end, Misbah would resort to his reverse sweep and the other sweep shots. This was done just to toy with the spinners line and length.

Babar Azam just can't play spin, and this is not even the UAE. Babar Azam needs to learn to atleast survive against spin so that he could make it up against the pacers.

Barbar Azam is a good batsmen, but i fear i really really really fear that he might end up becoming an Umar Akmal. I really hope thats not the case with this guy.

No pressure means to play freely and score at a higher RR. And this where Misbah flunked.

Fact of the matter is, tuk tuk was THE ONLY way Misbah knew how to bat. And he loved turning good game situation into worse and under pressure situations so that he could get into his shell of tuk tuk.

Putting a self imposed pressure was a trademark of classical trait of Misbah.

A fluke happened and he scored the fastest test century; however, we all know it was only a fluke and a one off innings.

But if you watch his innings, you will notice that many at times, he lost his wicket soon as he tried to increase the RR by playing fast or aggressive.

Misbah's extremely negative mindset and 24/7 on-the-back-foot, batting approach has influenced the entire Pakistan's batting culture.

Till this day we see the effects. Watch the textual commentary and notice that there will be a trend of, dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot and a 4, and then dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot and another 4, dot dot dot dot dot.....
 
So we are comparing a very limited batsmen that only had few strokes to a guy who has immense potential to play in every format. After a long time we found a batsmen that the world can appreciate. Instead of waiting for his career to flourish we are already comparing him with a retired batsmen who was nothing special. Wow just wow.
 
Yup, the guy would perform under pressure.

This shopper stars bottle under pressure, but the best of Misbah came under pressure situations. If he had a weakness he would do enough to survive against is. As he crossed 40, he wasn't as good agianst Pace as he was in the past, yet the guy knew how to survive those overs. If he blocked too much, he would make up for it against that one spinner by attacking him.

THe advantage of Misbah was that he knew how to mess up the lines of a spinner. Thus, if Misbah was batting at one end and babar azam at the other end, Misbah would resort to his reverse sweep and the other sweep shots. This was done just to toy with the spinners line and length.

Babar Azam just can't play spin, and this is not even the UAE. Babar Azam needs to learn to atleast survive against spin so that he could make it up against the pacers.

Barbar Azam is a good batsmen, but i fear i really really really fear that he might end up becoming an Umar Akmal. I really hope thats not the case with this guy.

So much wrong with this comparison and this post. One thing is for sure, Misbah at 26 was not even half as good as Babar at 26.
 
If Misbah played for Pakistan in his prime, he would have had an over 50 average. He like Fawad Alam was cheated out of a spot in the team for years.

A prime Misbah in Tests would have been better than Babar, based on what Babar has showed so far.
 
So much wrong with this comparison and this post. One thing is for sure, Misbah at 26 was not even half as good as Babar at 26.

One guy learned to absorb pressure, deliver under pressure and learned how to over come his weakness.

The other guy is getting out to a spinner called Maharaj out of all the people. This is the spinner tha Virat Kohli and his team bashed 200 runs alone against him in Pune.
 
If Misbah played for Pakistan in his prime, he would have had an over 50 average. He like Fawad Alam was cheated out of a spot in the team for years.

A prime Misbah in Tests would have been better than Babar, based on what Babar has showed so far.

What a dumb post

Nobody was ‘cheated’ out of a spot. How does Misbah break into a 3-5 batting position with Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan and Inzimam ul Haq in the core? Nobody in Pakistan broke into this middle order.

It’s called being able to adapt and challenge for a spot. Nothing was stopping Misbah to challenge for an opening spot. Pakistan we’re struggling for openers since Saeed Anwar retired and possibly even when he was around.

I would say the same for Kamran Ghulam and Saud Shakeel now. Do not waste yourself in hope of breaking into the Pakistan side in positions that are pretty much locked in already by middle order batsmen. We need openers, and if you can bat...you bat wherever you are asked to!
 
One guy learned to absorb pressure, deliver under pressure and learned how to over come his weakness.

The other guy is getting out to a spinner called Maharaj out of all the people. This is the spinner tha Virat Kohli and his team bashed 200 runs alone against him in Pune.

Again, what was Misbah doing at Babar's age ?
And you can't compare Indian pitches to this one, its quickly deteriorating
 
What a dumb post

Nobody was ‘cheated’ out of a spot. How does Misbah break into a 3-5 batting position with Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan and Inzimam ul Haq in the core? Nobody in Pakistan broke into this middle order.

It’s called being able to adapt and challenge for a spot. Nothing was stopping Misbah to challenge for an opening spot. Pakistan we’re struggling for openers since Saeed Anwar retired and possibly even when he was around.

I would say the same for Kamran Ghulam and Saud Shakeel now. Do not waste yourself in hope of breaking into the Pakistan side in positions that are pretty much locked in already by middle order batsmen. We need openers, and if you can bat...you bat wherever you are asked to!

What about # 6? Did Shoaib Malik deserve that spot over Misbah?
 
Misbah averages 46.6 in test cricket, if someone reads posts on this thread they will think that Misbah is an Asad Shafiq level player.
 
Babar's better against seam, Misbah's better against spin.
 
No because Babar has a Test hundred in Australia.

Misbah ul-Haq was a brilliant UAE bully. But I am not sure if he would have had as good a career in Pakistan.
 
when it comes to classy cricket batsmen, pakistani cricket fans were spoilt for choice in the 90s and for most of 00s. lineup including in its midst, top order of saeed anwer, inzi, ijaz, salim malik, moyo and lower order of moin khan, azhar mehmood, razzak and wasim akram could dominate most bowling sides. in fact, i would argue that results would have been more consistent if that lineup included work horse/blue collar type batsman like misbah or azhar ali who could grind it out when required. miandad played such a role but his retirement left a hole which was partly filled by inzamam who was more talented than miandad but did not not have the smarts or competitive desire of miandad.

one reason pakistani batting talent improved markedly in the 90s is due to improvement in quality of domestic bowling- both fast as well as spin. as a result, the step up between domestic and international cricket was not as much as it is today. it is for this reason that pak was able to dominate india esp in odis for about 20 year period starting in late 80's. indian top order of that period was talented as pakistani top order but pakistani middle and lower order could take apart indian attack much more frequently than indian lower order which also had to deal with a better pakistani bowling unit. however, even after the retirement of wasim and waqar, pak had a winning odi record against india until the end of '00s.

these days unfortunately, gap between domestic and intl levels is much greater hence many batsmen are like dear in the headlight when they step up. this is why misbah deserves credit as a batsman. in his second coming, misbah, like fawad alam, was thrown in the deep end with the added burden of captaincy. moreover, batting unit under misbah was weaker than pakistani batting sides of the previous two decades. so in this context, misbah's batting returns are highly commendable. more often than not, he was putting out fire which required him to bat in a certain way which influenced his game when he became captain.

in contrast to misbah's cinderella story, babar has emerged on the scene with silver spoon in his mouth. there was little pressure for him to perform which enabled him to grow into his game. in this, people who identified and backed his talent deserve credit. thankfully for pakistani fans, babar's game is built along the lines of his illustrious predecessors who played with some flair. for the team to be successful pak needs players who can put opposition on the back-foot as well as those who can grind teams down. unfortunately given bowling levels in domestic, pak batsmen are not getting anywhere by playing domestic. an argument can be made of identifying talent early and throwing those players to intl level sooner rather than later and giving these players some leeway. unfortunately patience is not a virtue associated with pakistani fans.
 
What about # 6? Did Shoaib Malik deserve that spot over Misbah?
Tbf, not even at No.6. Shoaib Malik was played all over the place in the side, he didn’t have a fixed position at all. I believe the number 6 position was shared by Kamran Akmal, Malik, Afridi, Asim Kamal for most parts. I think PCB always saw Misbah as a potential middle order player and he was slotted in the same year Inzimam retired, he was always seen as Inzimam’s replacement only. So the onus is was on Misbah to change this perception and play in a position where Pakistan were lacking, and we have always lacked in the opening spots.
 
Hypothetical question, but he had played 14 First Class matches and scored less than 1000 runs at an average of 34 with 1 hundred...

Thats surprising, I thought he would have played more than that at 26 tbh
 
Misbah only played 18 tests in SENA he wasn’t tested properly overseas our batsmen have been exposed consistently by playing more outside Asia Younis was the last top test batsman we’ve produced Misbah is a notch below him.
 
while playing club cricket in mid 90s, we heard stories of this batsman who, due to education, emerged on the first-class scene at a relatively older age who could hit sixes at will. the batsman was misbah. the other interesting aspect of his career is that he was not a member of 2010 team that went to england. misbah clearly deserved to be a part of the team especially after his dominating performance in india. yet he was overlooked in favour of likes of umar amin and umar akmal. we also had the zulqernain hyder incident. as things transpired in that tour, it seems that one of the mafias wanted to keep him out. reasons for his omission became fairly obvious after that day at lords.
 
Tbf, not even at No.6. Shoaib Malik was played all over the place in the side, he didn’t have a fixed position at all. I believe the number 6 position was shared by Kamran Akmal, Malik, Afridi, Asim Kamal for most parts. I think PCB always saw Misbah as a potential middle order player and he was slotted in the same year Inzimam retired, he was always seen as Inzimam’s replacement only. So the onus is was on Misbah to change this perception and play in a position where Pakistan were lacking, and we have always lacked in the opening spots.

All of those people were worst than Misbah. #6 should be considered a middle order position.

Anyway whats done is done.

I would say the same for Kamran Ghulam and Saud Shakeel now. Do not waste yourself in hope of breaking into the Pakistan side in positions that are pretty much locked in already by middle order batsmen. We need openers, and if you can bat...you bat wherever you are asked to!

Why cant Azhar open? Why not Faheem?

Why should Saud Shakeel have to open, when he is averaging 48 in First Class as a Middle Order batsman. He has a better average than Azhar, and even Babar in First Class.

None of Pakistan Middle order batsman, with the exception of Babar, should be considered to have the position locked down.
 
All of those people were worst than Misbah. #6 should be considered a middle order position.

Anyway whats done is done.



Why cant Azhar open? Why not Faheem?

Why should Saud Shakeel have to open, when he is averaging 48 in First Class as a Middle Order batsman. He has a better average than Azhar, and even Babar in First Class.

None of Pakistan Middle order batsman, with the exception of Babar, should be considered to have the position locked down.

I don’t disagree with Azhar and Babar both opening and slotting Saud in at 3 and Kamran at 4 for the Zimbabwe series.

I don’t think Babar is suited to bat at no.4 unfortunately, it’s a very crucial position and he is too hit and miss for this. It is really unfair on Fawad, Rizwan and Faheem having to bat under immense pressure every time. Clearly Babar isn’t solid enough and Azhar is a spent force. Babar will probably set the tone a lot better as an opener unlike the sitting ducks that we have had recently. 20 overs 1 or 2 for 40 runs is pure pathetic on flat decks
 
Misbah was a good test player but Babar will have a better career than him.
 
It depends.

At home, Misbah is head and shoulders above Babar, but away you definitely have to go with Babar.

The biggest reason for UAE being a fortress for Pak was because of Younis and Misbah, the way they murdered opposition spinners made the opposing team useless because spin was king and the key to victory.

Maybe Babar will improve his skills against spin, so let's see what happens in the future.
 
Have you seen Babar's 90 in NZ ? None of Misbah's innings even come close.

If we are considering knocks of leaders than it is important to point out that this is Babar's first series as captain.

I have seen all his knocks. Misbah's hundred helped his team won a test overseas. Can't you see a basic difference? Misbah is a very good test batsman with an average of 46, let's not assume he is a joke of cricketer.
 
I have seen all his knocks. Misbah's hundred helped his team won a test overseas. Can't you see a basic difference? Misbah is a very good test batsman with an average of 46, let's not assume he is a joke of cricketer.

Well, Misbah had played more meaningful knocks than Babar in his career. There is no denying that, but OP is asking about who will you take. It can't be answered without looking at Babar's age. His best days are ahead of him and he has shown enough to say that he should have a better career than Misbah.
 
Well, Misbah had played more meaningful knocks than Babar in his career. There is no denying that, but OP is asking about who will you take. It can't be answered without looking at Babar's age. His best days are ahead of him and he has shown enough to say that he should have a better career than Misbah.

I already said that Babar clearly has higher ceiling. That is not even up for debate.
 
This threads gonna look really stupid in a couple years. Misbah was really good but cmon.
 
Would be interesting to see the stats of both batsmen in Tests currently.
 
Typical Misbah fan!!! Misbah had muscle to hit big 6s but as a batsman and player he was a timid individual and serial choker where Babar is a natural batsman who won us more matches than Misbah did in his entire career.
 
Misbah always scored 50+ and bailed the team out of pressure


Babar doesn't do that and tends to bottle it under pressure.

I would take Misbah the test batsmen over Babar

Discuss.

A thread made to ridicule Misbah for no reason. Disgusting.
 
Lol thats a joke misbah is no way near babar. Then again some of his fans think misbah is better then Yousuf.
 
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