Yasir Shah vs Shadab Khan in ODIs (potential World Cup spot)

[Rana]

This is actually a pretty serious question and I wouldn't mind if the mods could add a poll to get an indication of what you guys feel about this. This may be a one off innings by Yasir and yes ODI cricket is very different to Test cricket but I feel the guy has given us an indication that he could be a more viable option as Pakistan's leggie in the World cup team.

I feel that in the past, Shadab has been given the nod because of how young he is and his ability to bat. But at this moment in time I feel Pakistan will not be selecting Shadab as an all-rounder as his batting seems non existent, and he wouldn't be batting ahead of Imad Wasim or Fahim Ashraf who are the genuine all-rounders of the side. Shadab at this moment is just about a number 8.

I sincerely feel that Pakistan should take the seasoned, more potent spinner instead of the youngster who seems to be out of sorts recently. Yasir could potentially win you a match with a good spell and he can add a few runs at number 8/9. Both players are high quality fielders so Yasir shouldn't be overlooked because of this factor.

Thoughts?

 

[Hawkeye]

Yasir's purple patch is over.

And that good patch was only in Tests. Was never good in LOIs - ODIs. So, a big no.

Shadab needs to improve, will monitor him in the next few series.

 

[Rana]

Yasir's purple patch is over.

And that good patch was only in Tests. Was never good in LOIs - ODIs. So, a big no.

Shadab needs to improve, will monitor him in the next few series.

Im pretty sure the guy is going to get a few wickets in this match now (I mean serious wickets)

 

[Justcrazy]

Shadab will play , Pakistan management considers him asset with the bat.

 

[CricketDon]

Shadab is the most over rated player in the world in every facet.

 

[Rana]

Shadab is the most over rated player in the world in every facet.

TBH hes actually a very good fielder

 

[topspin]

Yasir is far inferior to Shadab with the bat - seems like someone is getting carried away over a 28 run knock comprising of swinging from the hip.

Shadab had a poor Asia cup but was excellent with the bat in NZ ODI series and I think you're quick to forget the six he hit against SL in the last over as well in a very closely fought T20 game in Abu Dhabi last year as well. His batting will get better and I already believe it has exceeded his bowling ability especially in tests, which is why he should have played as a no. 6 bat in this series.

 

[CricketDon]

TBH hes actually a very good fielder

Being a fielder should not get you into a side. Just the way sarfraz should not be in the team becasue he’s supposedly a good captain. Shadab can’t bat nor is he effective with the ball. Sarfraz can do nothing.

 

[saeed5646]

shadab is the most over rated player in the world in every facet.

any proof about it?

 

[Rayyman]

Yasir. The player who actually deserves it.

 

[Rana]

Yasir is far inferior to Shadab with the bat - seems like someone is getting carried away over a 28 run knock comprising of swinging from the hip.

Shadab had a poor Asia cup but was excellent with the bat in NZ ODI series and I think you're quick to forget the six he hit against SL in the last over as well in a very closely fought T20 game in Abu Dhabi last year as well. His batting will get better and I already believe it has exceeded his bowling ability especially in tests, which is why he should have played as a no. 6 bat in this series.

Not getting carried away here. The question is would you rather have a genuine leg spinner who may turn a game on its head or a decent leggie who can bat a bit? You can work out who is who in this comparison

 

[Hasan123]

Yasir doesn't have th variety for LO cricket. So he shouldn't be selected.


Shadab has shown glimpses of his potential in all facets but not on a consistent basis. I don't think he can be our frontline spinner right now. If we are going to pick a leggie Muhammd Irfan looks impressive. I would like to see him get a go in the next ODI series.

 

[saeed5646]

Being a fielder should not get you into a side. Just the way sarfraz should not be in the team becasue he’s supposedly a good captain. Shadab can’t bat nor is he effective with the ball. Sarfraz can do nothing.

you are clueless and trying hard to get attention please tell me if odi BATTING AVERAGE OF SHADAB IS 32 WHILE BOWLING AVERAGE IS 26 with economy rate under 5 is not a good allrounder record than what it is?

 

[CricketDon]

any proof about it?

Batting

26 games average of 32 strike rate of 69.

2018 he’s averaged 23 with a strike rate of 66.

These ain’t stats of someone who’s competent with a bat.

Bowling

Against England India New Zealand South Africa

11 games 10 wickets average 43

5 wicket hauls 0
4 wicket hauls 0

Dig deeper and the stats get worse.

 

[Rana]

you are clueless and trying hard to get attention please tell me if odi BATTING AVERAGE OF SHADAB IS 32 WHILE BOWLING AVERAGE IS 26 with economy rate under 5 is not a good allrounder record than what it is?

My brother, a batting average of 32 with a strike rate of 69 is hardly impressive for a number 7/8. His bowling in his recent games has been letting him down and his average is on the decline. We are discussing current form, the question I am repeating is do you want an ok spinner, an ok batsman or do you want a world class leg spinner who will give it a bit of a whack?

 

[CricketDon]

you are clueless and trying hard to get attention please tell me if odi BATTING AVERAGE OF SHADAB IS 32 WHILE BOWLING AVERAGE IS 26 with economy rate under 5 is not a good allrounder record than what it is?

Hahahahaha minnow bashing inflation Theorem. Find a a dark corner and cry. People lie, numbers don’t.

 

[CricketDon]

My brother, a batting average of 32 with a strike rate of 69 is hardly impressive for a number 7/8. His bowling in his recent games has been letting him down and his average is on the decline. We are discussing current form, the question I am repeating is do you want an ok spinner, an ok batsman or do you want a world class leg spinner who will give it a bit of a whack?

What’s sad is their probably is plenty of very good spinners but we settle for a okay spinner who lives off hype and clever marketing.

 

[saeed5646]

Batting

26 games average of 32 strike rate of 69.

2018 he’s averaged 23 with a strike rate of 66.

These ain’t stats of someone who’s competent with a bat.

Bowling

Against England India New Zealand South Africa

11 games 10 wickets average 43

5 wicket hauls 0
4 wicket hauls 0

Dig deeper and the stats get worse.

but you said he is neither a batsmen nor a bowler so how does he have 32 batting average and 26 bowling average?

 

[saeed5646]

Hahahahaha minnow bashing inflation Theorem. Find a a dark corner and cry. People lie, numbers don’t.

he is 20 year old and was our most performing player in the nz series where he score and was economical with the ball.

 

[saeed5646]

My brother, a batting average of 32 with a strike rate of 69 is hardly impressive for a number 7/8. His bowling in his recent games has been letting him down and his average is on the decline. We are discussing current form, the question I am repeating is do you want an ok spinner, an ok batsman or do you want a world class leg spinner who will give it a bit of a whack?

shadab is doing very well with both bat and bowl .he is long term investment and best we have got if you believe in genuine leg spinner sadly we dont have SHane warne in domestic.if you are talking about yasir than watch his 2015 record and his recent odi against zim where he did not took a single wicket

 

[CricketDon]

but you said he is neither a batsmen nor a bowler so how does he have 32 batting average and 26 bowling average?

Against non minnow nations he averages 43 with the ball and 23 with the bat at a strike rate of 66! That as well batting at 6/7 when you need to accelerate. You’ve got to be delusional.

 

[Ahmed216]

I would play Shadab and bat him in the middle order and let him develop as a batsman too.At present He definitly cannot bat in slog overs.He's an excellent fielder too.

 

[Rana]

I would play Shadab and bat him in the middle order and let him develop as a batsman too.At present He definitly cannot bat in slog overs.He's an excellent fielder too.

We are doing our best to get away from this culture of accumalators in the middle order. How does Shadab help in this regard? would he not just be another step backwards? He is suited to bat in Test cricket I admit, but he really isnt a modern quality batsman and has not yet shown a glimpse of a potential Mohammad Hafeez or Shoaib Malik style player

 

[saeed5646]

Against non minnow nations he averages 43 with the ball and 23 with the bat at a strike rate of 66! That as well batting at 6/7 when you need to accelerate. You’ve got to be delusional.

1}how many odi series have shadab played against england,India and SA?
only one odi series against NZ IN NZ which is grave yard for spinner look at his record 5 wicket with economy under 5 which is exceptional with batting average of 35 in that series .

2}how many matches have been played in uae against them?

 

[Sunny_majoka]

No way we are dropping shadab. He is a bowling all rounder and a gun fielder

 

[ahmadharis1]

Shadab is much better in LOI, he has more variations. Sure he's still relatively inexperienced but I'd pick him ahead of Yasir for the world cup

 

[New Yorker]

This is actually a pretty serious question and I wouldn't mind if the mods could add a poll to get an indication of what you guys feel about this. This may be a one off innings by Yasir and yes ODI cricket is very different to Test cricket but I feel the guy has given us an indication that he could be a more viable option as Pakistan's leggie in the World cup team.

I feel that in the past, Shadab has been given the nod because of how young he is and his ability to bat. But at this moment in time I feel Pakistan will not be selecting Shadab as an all-rounder as his batting seems non existent, and he wouldn't be batting ahead of Imad Wasim or Fahim Ashraf who are the genuine all-rounders of the side. Shadab at this moment is just about a number 8.

I sincerely feel that Pakistan should take the seasoned, more potent spinner instead of the youngster who seems to be out of sorts recently. Yasir could potentially win you a match with a good spell and he can add a few runs at number 8/9. Both players are high quality fielders so Yasir shouldn't be overlooked because of this factor.

Thoughts?

Neither should be our front line spinners in ODIs. Yasir has never been good in LOIs and he has been give plenty of chances to improve. But it is not happening. Shadab has been useful in ODIs and his batting remains underrated. Can still get a lot better, as we know from his discipline in Tests, and his ability hit out in the PSL. Just 20, it bears remembering. I think he can still find a spot as an allrounder. But if we want a spinning wicket taker it should be someone like Kashif Bhatti, who averages 23 in List A cricket, or maybe Hasan Raza, whatever happened to him? Kamran Ghulam has also been in wicked form recently, averages 25 with the ball in List A cricket, and is very handy bat, with 4 FC centuries in just 19 matches, Ave 41, and has lots of time on his side, being just 23. Also, from what I remember of his U 19 exploits, he has big game temperament, quite a few time starring in vain as the last man standing after Aslam and Imam have gone, and the middle order crumbles a round him.

 

[Executioner]

Case with Shadab the batsmen is similar to Miraz, although Miraz had a more important role with bat. Miraz got picked as a bowler mainly and so did Shadab and both had to bat low down the order which isn't ideal for them because they are small blokes, literally

 

[Madplayer]

Yasir is the most over rated spinner in the 200 years of cricket. Just because of the lack of quality leg spinners in the world, we tried to hype up a leggie who performed well for a couple of years. The world needed a leg spinning hero and we tried to make him that. Warne priased him, like he praises any tom dick and harry who is a new leg spinner. We hyped him like no tomorrow when he was just having beginner's advantage of most batsmen not knowing him.

He is an average spinner who will not regain his golden touch now because he was never good enough to begin with. Find a new spinner Pakistan. This man isnt good enough to be in any format. He is as harmless as a teletubby.

 

[mak36]

Irfan is competing with Shadab in LOIs, not Yasir.