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The 2nd ODI against SL was an ideal platform for Yasir Shah. 287 on the board, a good pitch with some spin against an opposition who have been struggling to pick him all summer.

And he ends up with figures of 50 odd from his ten overs and didn't pick a single wicket. I can imagine a Mushy or even a Kaneria might have picked a wicket or 2.

Is there something he is doing wrong in ODI's...wrong pace and length? or is it Azhar Ali the captain who is not using him properly?

Yasir Shah has all the ingredients to be a successful ODI player (world class spinner, decent tail end batsman and a brilliant fielder).

The key question is that what needs to change so that Yasir Shah can give us better results in ODI's.

Any opinions please because I am puzzled.
 
I see no problems. It's his 8th match. Repsectable economy rate by modern odd standards. Wickets will come.
 
SL are being cautious against him. No undue risks, maybe they have decided not to give him wickets and score 4-5 an over from him.
 
I feel that he bowls a bit too quick and at times short as well. He is a leggie so if he pitches it up a bit more then he'll make something happen. We do not need Yasir to contain runs, we need him to pick wickets.
 
He needs to think differently - I don't know why he wasn't bowling around the wicket to left handers. Patience is key; with time he will thrive.
 
I think let's judge him at least after this ODI series. He has been economically decent. As Pete Rose said wickets will come.
 
Another thing I have noticed from a very long time ago and now it is true.

He just cannot bowl in ODI's.

He actually lost us the game yday by bowling filth to the leftie.
 
Was unlucky couple if umpires call against him just ahiw some patience wrist slitters
 
There are few short comings:

Bowling quicker and flatter

He is bowling quicker and flatter, he is not giving ball enough flight and or loop. In test, he was bowling at varying pace and more loop to the ball. Those variations are key in getting wickets. Ball spins more when you give it a loop. Its not like he does not know how to do that, he was excellent at those variations in test, either he is afraid of being hit or somebody is coaching him to be a flatter bowler in ODI. He needs confidence to bowl to his strength.

Googlie is not effective enough

His googlie is work in progress even in test. Not having effective googlie creates problem for his confidence in ODI, specially against so many lefty in SL. He will be much more effective once his googlie has more spin and control. That will take time, maybe an year or so.


He is an asset even in ODI that needs to be nurtured and developed. First thing first, he needs to bowl similar variations and line length in ODI as he does in test, no need to change a whole lot, rest will happen as his test credentials develops. We need a wicket taking spinner in ODI who is also a well rounded cricketer.
 
People need to understand that Leg Spinners will either be hit for runs or will get a couple of wickets. Leg Spin is a difficult art to control and they cannot be used as containers.
 
Too early to judge, I thought his first 8 overs were bowled really well, created good pressure, bowled the right channel, on another he would've picked a couple of wickets and this thread wouldn't have come into existence :yasir
 
He's an attacking bowler, hence needs silly mid-on and off....along with at least 1 slip, something he hasn't be afforded in ODIs.
 
He is not an odi bowler but an excellent test bowler. We should try zafar gohar soon which will strengthen our batting and also he is a terrific fielder too.
 
I think he would be more effective bowling round the wicket. If you see against Sri Lanka in the ODI, he was more effective and contained the Sri Lanka batsmen from scoring too many runs.. It also made more sense due to his googly generating more turn.

Hafeez may be an off spinner but he still gets more wickets against left hand batsmen when bowling round the wicket. Most Sri Lankan batsmen are left handers..
I feel the only captaincy from Azhar Ali that was lacking was bringing hafeez on too late. Getting smacked for 100+ runs in in 10 overs and then bringing hafeez on is a critical mistake.
 
Yasir has the ingredients to become a good ODI bowler, just give him some time just like Azhar with captaincy.
 
Also remember how he bottled it against India in 2015 on the biggest stage.

He just isn't a good ODI bowler. Will have the odd success or two in the format, but bottles it at crucial times.

Improving as a test spinner though.
 
Theo_14 said:
He needs to think differently - I don't know why he wasn't bowling around the wicket to left handers. Patience is key; with time he will thrive.
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Bowling around the wicket to left handers gives them more room to play shots, highly not recommended.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Also remember how he bottled it against India in 2015 on the biggest stage.

He just isn't a good ODI bowler. Will have the odd success or two in the format, but bottles it at crucial times.

Improving as a test spinner though.
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Bottled against the best spin playing side in Asia that also on a flat wicket?

I am so glad that PPers are not PCB selectors.
 
apart from Tahir what other leg spinner has come to grips with ODI cricket in the last decade?
 
cricpak said:
I think he would be more effective bowling round the wicket. If you see against Sri Lanka in the ODI, he was more effective and contained the Sri Lanka batsmen from scoring too many runs.. It also made more sense due to his googly generating more turn.

Hafeez may be an off spinner but he still gets more wickets against left hand batsmen when bowling round the wicket. Most Sri Lankan batsmen are left handers..
I feel the only captaincy from Azhar Ali that was lacking was bringing hafeez on too late. Getting smacked for 100+ runs in in 10 overs and then bringing hafeez on is a critical mistake.
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IIRC Hafeez was brought on in the 5th over.
 
Very good test spinner but doubt he will come good in limited overs.

Bring in Zafar Gohar / Mo. Asghar / Usama Mir.
 
He's bowling all his deliveries too flat and fast.

The reason he's doing this is so he doesn't get hit as easily. However, the problem here is that it takes away all his wicket taking ability. He needs to bowl with more loop, and mix it in with those flatter, quicker ones. The ball isn't going to spin, bounce, or grip if he's bowling so flat.

Another issue is that his googly isn't completely developed yet, however it's coming along, and that shouldn't be an issue in the near future.

He needs to understand that being a legspinner means he will take wickets, but may also go for a few runs.

He's got all the tools to being an excellent ODI spinner too, he just needs to understand how he should bowl. He's got excellent control, and should further develop a few variations he's already good.
 
Seems like Yasir has sorted out his length and pace in the 3rd ODI. Big improvement today.


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It's scoreboard pressure taking its toll, in the first game the early assault meant that the batsmen could take it easy and milk his bowling.
 
I don't see much difference, except that Tharanga and Mathews have played two horrific shots to gift him two wickets thanks to scoreboard pressure.

He has done very well in Tests, but the issue in ODIs is that we have been used to the bowling of Saeed Ajmal, who chucking aside, was an all-time great spinner in this format although quite overrated in Tests.

Yasir is the front-line spinner in ODIs now, and if people expect him to perform like Ajmal did between 2012-2014 then he has some massive shoes to fill, but he can do okay in his own right, although a quick glance at his domestic record suggests that he has had issues with the Limited Overs, but I won't write him off in ODIs because he has exhibited progression at an alarming rate in Tests and I won't write him off as an ODI bowler early like I did in Tests, because I wasn't impressed with his bowling in the first few Tests, prior to the Sri Lankan series.
 
Think this is the best he's bowled in ODIs.

Needs to bowl around the wicket to those lefties though.
 
Mamoon said:
I don't see much difference, except that Tharanga and Mathews have played two horrific shots to gift him two wickets thanks to scoreboard pressure.

He has done very well in Tests, but the issue in ODIs is that we have been used to the bowling of Saeed Ajmal, who chucking aside, was an all-time great spinner in this format although quite overrated in Tests.

Yasir is the front-line spinner in ODIs now, and if people expect him to perform like Ajmal did between 2012-2014 then he has some massive shoes to fill, but he can do okay in his own right, although a quick glance at his domestic record suggests that he has had issues with the Limited Overs, but I won't write him off in ODIs because he has exhibited progression at an alarming rate in Tests and I won't write him off as an ODI bowler early like I did in Tests, because I wasn't impressed with his bowling in the first few Tests, prior to the Sri Lankan series.
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doesnt need to be an ajmal. if we hope to post > 270 every time and everyone does their part, he will get a wicket or two
 
Pete Rose said:
doesnt need to be an ajmal. if we hope to post > 270 every time and everyone does their part, he will get a wicket or two
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Yes, and I think everyone understands that, but still some people will need time to make the adjustment from Ajmal to Yasir in ODIs.
 
Give him some time ajmal with all the unfair advantage he had took alot of time to get settle and become the main guy.

Yasir has only few matches under his belt. Give him some time to develop his limited overs game, he has already shown his wicket taking ability in Test.
 
No need for this thread now. Yasir Shah has entered the building.
 
Brilliant bowling today. He has served me a nice filling of apple pie with cream on top in general because I didn't expect him to be this good, and didn't take an accurate measure of things, but on a serious note, there is no reason why he can't adjust to ODIs in time.

He has been gifted his wickets today but he spun the ball a lot and bowled in the right areas.

Some things indeed happen for a good reason - if that old chucker wouldn't have been banned somewhere around this time last year, we would still be stuck with him even though his performance was declining.

Yasir brings energy, aesthetically pleasing bowling (Ajmal had one ugly action) and better looks to the team. Also, no one can deny that watching leg-spin > darts and doosras.
 
He was getting fantastic dip and drift which goes unnoticed by many who only look at what ball does after it lands but is a bigger threat to better players.
 
I think its a bit dumb to bump this thread. This thread was rightly made at the time.

But I have to say, he has improved a lot. His googly was coming out brilliantly today. Lets hope he can keep it up. I really wanted him to take a 7-fer!
 
Mamoon said:
Brilliant bowling today. He has served me a nice filling of apple pie with cream on top in general because I didn't expect him to be this good, and didn't take an accurate measure of things, but on a serious note, there is no reason why he can't adjust to ODIs in time.

He has been gifted his wickets today but he spun the ball a lot and bowled in the right areas.

Some things indeed happen for a good reason - if that old chucker wouldn't have been banned somewhere around this time last year, we would still be stuck with him even though his performance was declining.

Yasir brings energy, aesthetically pleasing bowling (Ajmal had one ugly action) and better looks to the team. Also, no one can deny that watching leg-spin > darts and doosras.
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Agreed. Leg Spin is always more interesting than darting off-spinners.
 
While generally performance of leggies against teams like Zim and WI shouldn't be taken seriously cos they can't play legspin for the life of them (eg Amit Mishra picking bucketloads last time he toured)....the fact that Yasir is drifting and dipping the ball along with spinning it (as others say) is a HUGE PLUS sign.

That's more important than the wickets column.

A leggie who can drift, dip, flight and turn can become world class very fast and possible become the best spinner in the world.
 
I've never rated Yasir in ODIs but he was brilliant today. Hope he can keep this up and continue to prove me wrong.
 
Why is this a 'dumb' bump?

There were question marks over his performance in ODIs and he bowled beautifully today.
 
Mamoon said:
Why is this a 'dumb' bump?

There were question marks over his performance in ODIs and he bowled beautifully today.
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Because Zimbos are only minnows and performances against them dont really carry weight.

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sensible-indian-fan said:
While generally performance of leggies against teams like Zim and WI shouldn't be taken seriously cos they can't play legspin for the life of them (eg Amit Mishra picking bucketloads last time he toured)....the fact that Yasir is drifting and dipping the ball along with spinning it (as others say) is a HUGE PLUS sign.

That's more important than the wickets column.

A leggie who can drift, dip, flight and turn can become world class very fast and possible become the best spinner in the world.
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I would go as far as saying that he already is the best spinner in the world(considering all formats). There are not many good spinners around at the moment and the likes of Herath are in decline. Maybe Ashwin is on a similar level to Yasir but I would say that Uasir is the best right now..
 
Adil_94 said:
Because Zimbos are only minnows and performances against them dont really carry weight.

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Minnows or not, he bowled very well. Some of the wickets were gifts but with the way he bowled he would have troubled most teams.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
While generally performance of leggies against teams like Zim and WI shouldn't be taken seriously cos they can't play legspin for the life of them (eg Amit Mishra picking bucketloads last time he toured)....the fact that Yasir is drifting and dipping the ball along with spinning it (as others say) is a HUGE PLUS sign.

That's more important than the wickets column.

A leggie who can drift, dip, flight and turn can become world class very fast and possible become the best spinner in the world.
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I would go as far as saying that he already is the best spinner in the world(considering all formats). There are not many good spinners around at the moment and the likes of Herath are in decline. Maybe Ashwin is on a similar level to Yasir but I would say that Uasir is the best right now..
 
Mamoon said:
Minnows or not, he bowled very well. Some of the wickets were gifts but with the way he bowled he would have troubled most teams.
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I agree with you. I was just giving the reasoning on why people might think its a dumb bump. Yasir was masterful today in complete control from ball one. Omens are good for England series.

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Mamoon said:
Minnows or not, he bowled very well. Some of the wickets were gifts but with the way he bowled he would have troubled most teams.
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Also have you checked the Arsenal thread. I have mentioned you [emoji20]

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Adil_94 said:
Also have you checked the Arsenal thread. I have mentioned you [emoji20]

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Sorry, I think you did but it must have slipped my mind. I will check soon.
 
as-95 said:
I would go as far as saying that he already is the best spinner in the world(considering all formats). There are not many good spinners around at the moment and the likes of Herath are in decline. Maybe Ashwin is on a similar level to Yasir but I would say that Uasir is the best right now..
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Its going to be a good fight between Ashwin vs Yasir.

Yasir being a leggie (having mastered accuracy) is obviously at an advantage cos leggie is greater than offie (if all things are equal).

Ashwin can stay ahead if he is better at flight, drift and dip.

But if Yasir masters that too....he will win.

As of now...the best spinner in the world (all round) is Ashwin cos he has performed very well everywhere. Averaged 23 in Champions Trophy which we won, helped us in WC campaign in 2015 (avg 25 in Aus), helped us reach finals of T20 WC (some low 15-20ish average in that tourney), averages crazy low in knockout games for India. Plus is a monster in tests in Asia.

He simply has a bigger (and more reliable) sample set (across all formats) so won't call Yasir the best of now.

But things can change in the future. It will be a good fight.

As I said, if Yasir is great with flight, drift and dip (as good as Ashwin) then he will become best spinner eventually cos thats the thing about leggies.
 
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Good to see people happily indulging themselves in a good 'ol serving of humble pie.

Shah is turning into one supreme bowler. His ability to run through sides and become virtually unplayable on his day is reminiscent of Saeed Ajmal. We certainly needed him to step up quickly after Ajmal's castration and he's done that beautifully.

Best spinner in the world, bar none. Ashwin held the crown for a while but Shah has snatched it back and made sure that a Pakistani is wearing it once again.
 
How did Yasir snatch the crown back from Ashwin (who himself held it very recently)?

Shocking really.

Compare what each of them achieved in world stage (as of now) and you can simply not say Yasir is a better bowler now (potentially wise...maybe).

A guy performs in Tests, ODIs, T20s (in tournaments and knockouts) and another is upcoming with a huge potential.

Somehow the latter is declared better?

Wow.
 
Even though its zimbos its good to see Yasir shah gain some form in ODIs.
 
That's how Pakistanis operate. Ashwin will remain better unless Yasir proves himself to be a better bowler in overseas Tests.
 
Mamoon said:
Why is this a 'dumb' bump?

There were question marks over his performance in ODIs and he bowled beautifully today.
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It's a 'dumb' bump because [MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION] was calling him a trash ODI bowler not so long ago.
 
Eventhough Yasir has bowled brilliantly in this game, zim aren't great players of classical legspin bowling. Mishra picked up truck loads of wickets against them in the tour before the recent one which india won 5-0. Mishra's best figures in ODI of 6-18 is against Zimbabwe.

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Brilliantly bowled today. He finally seems to be adjusting into his role in ODI cricket. Was flighting the ball up more, allowing it to spin, and he bowled some wonderful variations! His first wicket was a beauty! Although he still has a long way to go to fill Ajmal's boots in this format, he's getting there! And in any case, Yasir brings more value with this fielding, batting, and energy.

I love watching him bowl, and him bowling in the middle overs gives the middle stage more life. Although this was a minnow Zimbabwe side, the way he was bowling, he would have troubled most sides in the world.
 
Mamoon said:
Brilliant bowling today. He has served me a nice filling of apple pie with cream on top in general because I didn't expect him to be this good, and didn't take an accurate measure of things, but on a serious note, there is no reason why he can't adjust to ODIs in time.

He has been gifted his wickets today but he spun the ball a lot and bowled in the right areas.

Some things indeed happen for a good reason - if that old chucker wouldn't have been banned somewhere around this time last year, we would still be stuck with him even though his performance was declining.

Yasir brings energy, aesthetically pleasing bowling (Ajmal had one ugly action) and better looks to the team. Also, no one can deny that watching leg-spin > darts and doosras.
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Appreciate this. Mamoon has finally turned a stone as far as Yasir is concerned.

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"We are looking at Amir making a return to the national side on the tour of NZ" : Shahryar Khan[#53]

Karachi: A top official of the Pakistan Cricket Board confirmed on Tuesday that tainted left arm pacer Muhammad Aamir was in line to make his comeback to the Pakistan team for the tour to New Zealand in January.

PCB Chairman Shaharyar Khan ruled out any chances of Aamir being fielded in the short series against India if it was confirmed this week.

"No he is not under consideration for the planned series against India as they are still things we would like to first discuss with him and sort out before allowing him back into the national side," Khan said.

To a question whether Aamir could play in the limited over series in New Zealand in January, Khan said yes he was under consideration for the series.

"Yes, we are looking at a him for this series and he could return to the national side on the tour."

Khan also made it clear that the PCB was in touch with its senior players like Misbah-ul-Haq, Shahid Afridi, Muhammad Hafeez who were all playing in the Bangladesh Premier League with Aamir.

"We are getting feedback from them on his behavior and attitude and how he is doing. But it wouldn't be right to say we will base our decision on his comeback on this feedback," he said.

The PCB chief said there was a feeling that Aamir had completed his rehabilitation and reintegration process formulated by the board and since he was performing well he could be considered for selection to the Pakistan team.

He said as for Salman Butt and Muhammad Asif as concerned, they had been permitted to play in the national one-day tournament early next year but their rehab and reintegration process was continuing.

"I think they will also be considered for a comeback but after they have first played in domestic first class cricket next year," he said.

Khan made it clear that the PCB had no doubts over Aamir's ability as a cricketer to represent the country but just wanted to be sure about his behavior and attitude.

"We will sit down with him and have a talk with him before the final decision."

Aamir has impressed with his bowling in the BPL and after having dismissed Pakistan's Test and T20 captains Misbah-ul-Haq and Shahid Afridi in the tournament on Tuesday he also accounted for the scalp of Muhammad Hafeez.

http://zeenews.india.com/sports/cri...for-pakistans-tour-of-nz-sources_1832384.html
 
Mohammad Amir's Return For NZ Tour Likely

To a question whether Amir could play in the limited over series in New Zealand in January, Khan said yes he was under consideration for the series.

"Yes, we are looking at a him for this series and he could return to the national side on the tour."

Khan also made it clear that the PCB was in touch with its senior players like Misbah-ul-Haq, Shahid Afridi, Muhammad Hafeez who were all playing in the Bangladesh Premier League with Amir.
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It's what I have wanted the whole time. Perfect tour to bring him back after the FC season finishes.
 
Wait for another meaningless statement in next 6 hours.
 
This guy should probably join the wwe
Really loves the mic and craves public attention.
Would be a good vince Mcmahon replacement
Shaz619 [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]
 
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Karachi: A top official of the Pakistan Cricket Board confirmed on Tuesday that tainted left arm pacer Muhammad Aamir was in line to make his comeback to the Pakistan team for the tour to New Zealand in January.

What does this mean btw???
 
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