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Yasir Shah's problems in ODIs

He is an attacking spinner. Won't work in the modern age unless he is as wily as Warne or suddenly develops a lot of variations. If he is to be played then the captain needs to go full on attack with him.

Honestly we will be better served with having Zafar Gohar or a pace bowling all-rounder.
 
As I have said countless times they are just wasting Yasir's fitness as he isn't an ODI bowler neither does have time on his side.

For God's sake invest in M. Asghar, U. Mir, Z. Gohar instead. They might not be class but are limited overs specialists with decent experience now.
 
Its OK we got Yasir Shah out of our system for ODIs.
 
Pathetic odi bowler. Should be done with this format after this series

My friend it takes Pakistanis years to realize things. Nawaz should never have been dropped unless you had an Asghar/Gohar in the squad. The two mentioned in the end are limited overs specialists.
 
Just doesn't turn the ball enough or have enough variations to do well in LOIs.
 
Tells you how much guys like Ramiz, Akram and Latif know about our cricket. Or did they just want something to cry about
 
Just doesn't turn the ball enough or have enough variations to do well in LOIs.

He is a bit like Afridi in bowling style, but then Lala was a bowling allrounder and added more to the team even if he went for runs while bowling.

Glad that Usama Mir (the next gen leggie) is a genuine spinner of the ball with a good leg break. He should be good in 2/3 years time.
 
Tells you how much guys like Ramiz, Akram and Latif know about our cricket. Or did they just want something to cry about

It's all popular talk instead of rational thinking.

I was disappointed that Micky still went for this option instead of Nawaz who was valuable in every department of the game.
 
Tells you how much guys like Ramiz, Akram and Latif know about our cricket. Or did they just want something to cry about

Ramiz and Latif agreed but not Wasim Akram, he just got this one wrong and you can't say he knows bugger all about Pakistan cricket especially when he was Islamabad United team director, so would have had a good awareness of the best LOI bowlers.

Most people including experts and PPers wanted Yasir Shah playing. I knew he wasn't good enough and far from the best LOI spinners Pakistan Possess with the likes of Asghar, Usama Mir, even Gohar and etc. Furthermore playing Yasir Shah extends the tail which isn't good when you're up against teams like England, Aus and Ind that seem to have a batting line up that extends to number 9 and 10.
 
Yasir Shah isn't a ODI player. Just like Younis Khan, Asad Shafiq aren't ODI players. Hopefully, Mickey Arthur and Inzi realise this quickly. And rope in a replacement.
 
My friend it takes Pakistanis years to realize things. Nawaz should never have been dropped unless you had an Asghar/Gohar in the squad. The two mentioned in the end are limited overs specialists.

Asghar is the one who I wanted in this squad.

My bowling line up for this series would have been

Amad Butt
Hasan Ali/Sohail Khan
Amir
Asghar
 
Ramiz and Latif agreed but not Wasim Akram, he just got this one wrong and you can't say he knows bugger all about Pakistan cricket especially when he was Islamabad United team director, so would have had a good awareness of the best LOI bowlers.

Most people including experts and PPers wanted Yasir Shah playing. I knew he wasn't good enough and far from the best LOI spinners Pakistan Possess with the likes of Asghar, Usama Mir, even Gohar and etc. Furthermore playing Yasir Shah extends the tail which isn't good when you're up against teams like England, Aus and Ind that seem to have a batting line up that extends to number 9 and 10.

lol...no.

Not in LOI.
 
He is a bit like Afridi in bowling style, but then Lala was a bowling allrounder and added more to the team even if he went for runs while bowling.

Glad that Usama Mir (the next gen leggie) is a genuine spinner of the ball with a good leg break. He should be good in 2/3 years time.

Afridi at his peak with that lethal drift combined with his variations was quality. Leg spinner, googly, off spinner, quicker ball - Afridi had plenty of tricks whilst Shah still hasn't developed a decent googly and only really has a slider which only will be effective if he spun his leg break big.
 
we saw and knew yasir is not an LOI spinner.... only ricky ponting/dhoni like captains use him effectively... this azhar ali is too timid and predictable for a captain and doesnt have any thinking at all with the progress of the game.... At the very final over he is attacking with yasir, why didnt he do that early in the inns....:facepalm:... yasir lost his ODI spot due to pathetic captaincy..
 
Misbah knows how to get the best out of Yasir. I don't think Azhar is a good enough captain to get the best out of anyone.
 
we saw and knew yasir is not an LOI spinner.... only ricky ponting/dhoni like captains use him effectively... this azhar ali is too timid and predictable for a captain and doesnt have any thinking at all with the progress of the game.... At the very final over he is attacking with yasir, why didnt he do that early in the inns....:facepalm:... yasir lost his ODI spot due to pathetic captaincy..

Yes captaincy was poor but stop blaming others. If Ponting or anyone else was captain Yasir wouldve still been an awful ODI bowler Ive seen him get destroyed in domestic cricket. Dont know why its hard for some fans to accept
 
Misbah knows how to get the best out of Yasir. I don't think Azhar is a good enough captain to get the best out of anyone.

You saw how Yasir bowled under Misbah against India in the world cup. Captain ahs nothing to do with it hes just poor.
 
I think he is a good option for the odi side. Unfortunately this side has so many pressing batting issues that he will not be an impact player in the short term.
 
As someone has said you need variations in one day cricket to be effective these days.

I wouldn't mind him playing if our batting was strong enough to score 300 or the pitches were spin friendly as then he will do better as teams would have to attack him more.

I think his selection was more of a desperation to get the team balance right but ideally he should focus solely on the longer format for his benefit and Pakistan's once this series has concluded.
 
Jadeja, Ashwin, Bhuvi and whoever plays can all bat. All of them are all rounders although not the most dynamic

All useless in LOI.

Jaddu is okayish here and there.

In LOI, a tailender who can slog >>>> tailender who can slowly score 20-30.

The need for the latter is minimal (only comes into play in low scoring games) but the former comes into play a lot more times.
 
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he's never been used properly in ODIs- Azhar has no idea how to use a strike bowler, and I think Azhar tries to use Yasir the way Misbah used Ajmal

Also, like all of our other strike bowlers, I think he's hurt greatly by consistently trying to defend low totals
 
he's never been used properly in ODIs- Azhar has no idea how to use a strike bowler, and I think Azhar tries to use Yasir the way Misbah used Ajmal

Also, like all of our other strike bowlers, I think he's hurt greatly by consistently trying to defend low totals


Shah is no Ajmal , true

Spinners are also not the same force in odis with limited men allowed in the circle
 
I think he is a good option for the odi side. Unfortunately this side has so many pressing batting issues that he will not be an impact player in the short term.

You may be right. This was a 300 plus flat track. 250 was never defendable. I guess Yasir needs to be given at least 2 more ODI's to prove he has it.


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He is an attacking spinner. Won't work in the modern age unless he is as wily as Warne or suddenly develops a lot of variations. If he is to be played then the captain needs to go full on attack with him.

Honestly we will be better served with having Zafar Gohar or a pace bowling all-rounder.

Warne was different in the sense that he used to get a lot more flight and bounce. Warne's lethal delivery was the one pitching at off or middle stump and leaving away from the right handed batsman. Whereas Yasir is a bowler who bowls a lot more at the stumps and doesn't generate as much bounce. His go to weapon is the slider and he will be very good against batsmen playing cross batted shots. But he has to develop his googly more and because he isn't a sharp turner of the ball, he is not causing much problems in ODIs. He is always attacking the stumps but he still goes for runs because it's a bit easy to score if there isn't sharp turn and you just have to look for the slider.

He should give the ball a bit more flight and turn it away from the right hander, using the slider sparingly and he should also develop a defensive aspect to his bowling like Badree who bowls a lot flatter and faster in the powerplay and consequently he is difficult to get away. If he works on his googly, he can be a great bowler in LOIs even during powerplays.
 
Yasir Shah - not a spinner you want in ODIs

He doesn't ball tight nor he takes wicket early in his spell and he is costly.

really bowls few hit me four deliveries every over and rarely turns the ball. In tests you can take some time but in ODIs you have to be really spot on. YOu cannot take forever to settle and bowl some good deliveries. You have to be good from the first ball.

Pakistan really need to find economical spinners who can actually turn the damn ball. Immad and Yasir are not the answer.
 
My friend it takes Pakistanis years to realize things. Nawaz should never have been dropped unless you had an Asghar/Gohar in the squad. The two mentioned in the end are limited overs specialists.

Well I remember a lot of people wanted him selected for the 2nd ODI. So probably good in a way that everyone now realizes that Yasir isn't a ODI Bowler.
 
Yes captaincy was poor but stop blaming others. If Ponting or anyone else was captain Yasir wouldve still been an awful ODI bowler Ive seen him get destroyed in domestic cricket. Dont know why its hard for some fans to accept

See understand my point... Only pak team and fans would put down a leg spinner... Having a proper leg spinner is an asset to any team... Basically with leg spinners, you need to attack with more fielders inside the ring even if he gets hit for a boundary they are the wicket taking bowlers.. If he is carted for like 20 runs in an over by one batsman then can spread out the field for him and attack the other batsman....It is not very easy to dance down the track or play an inside out shot to go over the top against leg spinners, you need to be really skillful to do that..
 
Well I remember a lot of people wanted him selected for the 2nd ODI. So probably good in a way that everyone now realizes that Yasir isn't a ODI Bowler.

If Yasir not used as an attacking option then yes good to be dropped... Im sure with Misbah and Azhar it doesnt work in LOIs...
 
He is a terrible misfit in ODI cricket. He is just not cut for limited over cricket.
 
All useless in LOI.

Jaddu is okayish here and there.

In LOI, a tailender who can slog >>>> tailender who can slowly score 20-30.

The need for the latter is minimal (only comes into play in low scoring games) but the former comes into play a lot more times.

better than ramiz raja all of them still

he was worst player from sc
 
doesnt have enough variations to be a good LOI bowler. Also he cant bowl defensively just to contain like you need to sometimes in LOIs. A good Test bowler not made for LOIs
 
Yasir's bowling concern in limited overs

Question of the day:-
Yasir shah looks very ordinary everytime he plays in limited overs format
 
Why blame Yasir?

Mickey Arthur is a big supporter of Yasir Shah in LOIs. :)) As he said in the press conference, they want him to play in ODIs. Also of Irfan in LOIs. :P

Then, Inzi and every ex-cricketer also really wants Yasir to play every match in all 3 formats.

I don't know how these cricketers can be so ignorant.
 
Awful bowler. Going at 7 an over again and Nawaz has bowled 10 times better than him. Why does he keep getting selected. Just a waste of a spot
 
I'm not gonna say he shouldn't be in ODIs/T20s but I for one wouldn't have included in this LOIs series. We saw how he performed when the ball hardly turned, but made our coaching staff and captain think he wouldn't get hammered on non-turning batting strips?

A finger spinner will get more purchase on England pitches than a wrist spinner would.
 
It wouldnt annoy me as much if pakistan didnt have options but almost every spinmer in the country is better than yasir in LOIs .
Just get rid of him .
 
He needs a 3 month break from all kinds of cricket. His body looks tired.


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He has to be in the team because he a leggie, attacking option, wicket taker, fearless selection etc...

His actual bowling figures are irrelevant because ex players said you need a leggie to take wickets.
 
He has to be in the team because he a leggie, attacking option, wicket taker, fearless selection etc...

His actual bowling figures are irrelevant because ex players said you need a leggie to take wickets.

Can't believe our ex players are so damn ignorant. Just wanna whine and sound cool and aggressive by supporting a leggie
 
Yasir should only play tests. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he isn't really cut out for the shorter formats. He has also bowled a lot this summer so should have been given a break after the test series.
 
He is just not cut for ODIs.Send him home as soon as possible.

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He has to be in the team because he a leggie, attacking option, wicket taker, fearless selection etc...

His actual bowling figures are irrelevant because ex players said you need a leggie to take wickets.

Not only ex-players, many 'pundits' on PP claim that too. :)))

'leggie', 'attack', 'wicket-taker', blah. Yes - that works in Tests, where he has a lot of wiggle room.
 
He needs to cut down his pace, bowl a bit slower, give more flight, bowl from wide of the crease(over the wicket) to right handed batsmen and impact tons of side spin. Needs more wrist work.
 
Can't turn enough to be successful in Loi

Afridi made a career in limited overs cricket without being able to turn, but he had natural drift and loads of variations... Modern ODI/T20I bowlers need plethora of variations to survive. Being able to turn the ball helps alot as well..

Yasir Shah is a special talent for Test cricket, as he can bowl a consistent good line & length all day long. But that does not work for modern ODI/T20 cricket because batsmen will start attacking you and there are not enough close-in fields to take advantage of mishits/edges.
 
Yasir is effective in tests becuase batsmens arent looking to attack him really so he attacks and they have a defensive mindset to protect their wicket.

But odi/t20's are a batsmens game and wickets made are more supportive to the bat than the bowl. Yasir needs to have a defensive mindset when being attacked, needs to keep a tight line and build pressure.

I dont buy this whole leggie stuff.. Off spinners get wickets too.. Right hand or left hand.. Leg or offie or watever.. Its the player we are looking for who can stick to a tight line and length and build pressure.
 
I think, Yasir can be a good ODI spinner, if he is used properly. In Test matches, he is used as wicket taker & he bowls well when he is allowed to attack. I can safely say that at Manchester, he bowled the fastest, once England had a big partnership, Misbah asked him to "tighten screw".

In ODI, he should be even more effective considering the quality of spin play these days. But, he is used as a container, which will never make him lethal. These days, every team analyze the game & they'll find 2/3 target areas against him - without taking much risk, they'll milk around for 4/5 singles & in between take calculated risks.

Shane Warne played most of his ODI in 90s & many of those at home, when the AUS grounds were 90mts+ boundary - still that guy has an economy of 4.3, which is HIGH for that decade. That's because, not for a single ball, Border or Tubby or Steve used him to contain runs. He was a genuine match winner, who bowled in ODI's almost similarly like Test - attacking length, line, speed, flight & catching fielders. I can recall the IND-AUS WC '96 match at Mumbai, when India's asking was around 5 & in 42nd (or 44th) over Talylor gave him a slip & 6 men in ring - eventually he got the vital wicket (Mangrekar ?) caught at slip.

Azhar (PAK) is using Yasir exactly like Afridi, but both are totally different spinners. By trait, both are leggi, but it's like using Kumble & Warne same way. Afridi was faster, hardly any turn, but quite accurate - so he was more of a pressure bowler, a squeezer, who'll increase the pressure by blocking boundaries & increasing dot ball. Yasir simply can't do that - because his weapon is his turn, variation, loop & flight.

Yasir should be used as a Test match bowler - to get wickets in middle overs -

1. give him longer spells, preferably 5+5, in not 10 at a stress (leggis need to settle down)
2. don't bring him with newish ball (Badree is not a leggi, he is slider), may be bring him after 23 over & give him 10 overs at one go
3. Use him to get wickets - when only 4 fielders were required, still Aussie Captains used 6, sometimes 7 inside circle to Warne; so did Wasim with Saq & Mush. Now, there are 5 already, 1 more doesn't hurt much - give him 6-3 field with a slip & 3 men patrolling covers; keep mid-on or mid wicket in & encourage batsmen to flick/loft him against spin.
4. encourage him to get wickets, 3/72 is acceptable in a 300 per course, if he is taking those 3 in between over No. 20 to 40.

At present operating mode, he'll become confused, frustrated & might lose confidence, which is the key to leg spin. He is such a great asset in ODI - brilliant fielder, can bat, can hit & a master leggi. He should be twice the bowler Tahir is.

Leg spinners need attacking Captains - Imran always picked Qadir over Tauseef or Qasim, if he was to pick 1 spinner for ODI; Wasim as well - for 3/4 years (before Saq), Mushi was his 1st choice spinner. Arjuna carried someone as ordinary as Chanda, for many years - whereas, after 1st ODI, I knew that Mathews will drop Sandakan, because he leaks runs. But, his counterpart (Aussie Captains) are using Zampa to get middle-orders out.

Sorry story for Yasir - he'll never prosper in ODI if Misbah, Azhar's Captaincy philosophy prevails.
 
Unfortunately he has been selected again. Some of the West Indian batsmen are atrocious players of spin so he might get wickets which is bad for Pakistan. Hope he gets smashed. Why don't we ever learn? We deserve to be ranked so low
 
4/6 today. Also won M.O.M.
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What's your opinion on how he can be successful in LOIs?
 
we should not get too excited, the pitch was extremely favorable to bowlers
 
4/6 today. Also won M.O.M.
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What's your opinion on how he can be successful in LOIs?

Shah needs a BMAC type captain to make him successful. Unfortunately he has to contend with the likes of Azhar and Misbah who make him bowl a leg-stump line :facepalm:
 
If used as a wicket taker he can be useful. If he's used a wicket container he is literally useless and it affects his confidence.
 
4/6 today. Also won M.O.M.
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What's your opinion on how he can be successful in LOIs?

I had my thoughts on that just few posts above. Yasir should be the best LO leggi in these days, if he is used properly. Take today's example - he would have finished with 1/15 had that 2nd catch not been taken by Mac - while Misbah or Azhar will never put a short cover when you are 13 away from target.

Leg spinners need confidence & attacking field because they are not containing options - they contain through getting wickets, not by producing dots. I am sure Yasir will be a fantastic ODI player under Sarfu & he fields brilliantly, an added bonus for PAK, whose spinners had been Ajmal, Zulfi or Kaneria class in fielding. And, he can develop good hitting skills as he is a decent bat for No. 8/9.

Unfortunately, damage might have been done already - more or less everyone is convinced that Yasir is not a LO bowler, therefore he might not be picked. I'll pick him even for CT in UK-June & play him every match to bowl from over no. 23 to 41 like what a Captain will do in a Test match on good wickets - that's 4/5 fielders to save singles & 1/2 catching options.
 
Not by a huge margin, but enough to beat the bat or cause doubts in the mind of the batsmen.

If that is the case then that is a positive sign. His problem recently has been the total absence of the leg spinner into the right handers.
 
Never rated him as an ODI bowler. Not sure why he's been recalled.
 
I don't see the point of this selection

Yasir has proven to be a failure in ODI cricket, why recall him?

Where is Mohammad Irfan the leg-spinner?
 
He's not good in LOI, would be better to have Raza Hasan, Usama Mir or Zafar Gohar. I also have this feeling they want him to have some overs under his belt ahead of a big home season.
 
Probably a temporary move to give Yasir much needed overs under his belt before this packed winter.
 
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