Yes, Ashkenazi Jews (Including Gal Gadot) Are People of Color

[KingKhanWC]

The fact that Jews writ large are not racially European (i.e. white), but rather an indigenous Middle Eastern/”Oriental” people who are cousins of the Arabs, was common knowledge until the 1960s.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/yes-ashkenazi-jews-including-gal-gadot-are-people-of-color/

Some really idiotic Zionist logic. She looks white, her family come from Europe who were white and there is no ancestry going back to the middle east.

This actress used to be in the IDF and is very pro Israel.

Safe to see I wont be wasting my time watching someone who supports apartheid and ethnic cleansing. She should look in the mirror , in more ways than one.

 

[Musakhel]

yemeni jews, not europeans.

 

[Pakistanian]

They're second tier whites.

 

[TahirFan]

They look like the bergies of Cape Town

 

[KingKhanWC]

yemeni jews, not europeans.

Yes there are Jews from various places including Africa too. The point here is why do European Jews insist they aren't white if they live in Israel?
[MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION]

 

[enkidu_]

Actually it's true, Jews aren't "Whites" (unless you take the lazy American definition, where everyone who's not Sub Saharan African is "White"). I've done a lot of anthropological research on Jews and it's true that their phenotype is closer to the population of the Levant (Syria/Lebanon/Palestine/Jordan) than their European neighbours.

Let's forget the "White" category, American-centric and with no weight, but keep with "Europeans" : do Jews "look Europeans" ? I talk of looks because genetic studies have already buried the "Khazar theory", once upon a time I agreed with, and which was initially proposed by Arthur Koestler, an Hungarian Jew himself (and, anyway, Khazars were not Europeans, but Turks°;

Let's see the three most famous Ashkenazi Jews.

Karl Marx was called "the Moor" by his German classmates, for his dark features :

Sigmund Freud was called "Attila the Hund" by his Austrian friends, for his dark hair:

The most poignant case is that of Einstein : he fits in the Levant and in fact even outside, like in North Africa and Egypt

The article is a good one. Not only Europeans, but Jews too saw themselves as Middle Easterners : Martin Buber, probaly the greatest Jewish philosopher of the last century, in one of his books, talks of the Jews as "Asiatics", and in the same breath as the Egyptians, Chinese or Indians. It was a widespread opinion. Anti Israel activist, Gilad Atzmon, shows in his book The Wandering Who ? how the early Zionist leaders (Ben Gurion, etc) considered the Palestinian villager as "the best representative of the Hebrew" (they changed their opinion later on, because of politics, then perceiving the same Palestinian as an "Arab invader").

Independently of Israel, if we forget the Zionist experience and post-1948 history, this article is not wrong at all - Jews are a Middle Easterner group.

Jews and Muslims are objective allies against Edom/Christianity/Europe, that's why Jews come up with the most destructive ideologies against "Whites" as well as facilitating Islamic migration:

Edom, the nation supposedly descended from Esau, was also a symbol for Israel's eternal enemy. Edomites participated in the destruction of the First Temple, and their legendary descendants, the Romans, destroyed the Second. Herod, the despised agent of Rome, was also an Edomite. When Rome embraced Christianity, Edome became a symbol for Christian Rome, and then for Christianity in general.

The Encyclopedia of Jewish Symbols, p. 49

An early eyewitness account to the Arabic conquest, The Secrets of Rabbi Shimon bar Yohai, connects the conquest to an acute era of apocalyptic wars. The text praises Islam for saving Jews from the hands of the Christians: “The Holy one will bring the kingdom of Ishmael to save you from evil. According to His will, He will raise over them a prophet. They will conquer the land and restore it to greatness. There will be a great fight between them and Esau.” These accounts do not directly discuss the Islamic religion but they do convey a sense that the kingdom of Ishmael will defeat the evil empire of Edom-Christianity. This text foresees a post-apocalytic era in which the temple is rebuilt, and in which Islam reigns benevolently over Jews. Finally, the messiah will come to destroy Edom (a symbol for Christianity).

Alan Brill, Judaism and World Religions: Encountering Christianity, Islam, and Eastern Traditions, pp. 148-149

 

[Robert]

There's no genetic basis to 'race' anyway. Whenever I'm in Southern Europe the locals think I'm German because of my height and blue eyes, but I bet I have some Iberian and sub-Saharan African in me from generations back.

 

[Musakhel]

Actually it's true, Jews aren't "Whites" (unless you take the lazy American definition, where everyone who's not Sub Saharan African is "White"). I've done a lot of anthropological research on Jews and it's true that their phenotype is closer to the population of the Levant (Syria/Lebanon/Palestine/Jordan) than their European neighbours.

Let's forget the "White" category, American-centric and with no weight, but keep with "Europeans" : do Jews "look Europeans" ? I talk of looks because genetic studies have already buried the "Khazar theory", once upon a time I agreed with, and which was initially proposed by Arthur Koestler, an Hungarian Jew himself (and, anyway, Khazars were not Europeans, but Turks°;

Let's see the three most famous Ashkenazi Jews.

Karl Marx was called "the Moor" by his German classmates, for his dark features :

Sigmund Freud was called "Attila the Hund" by his Austrian friends, for his dark hair:

The most poignant case is that of Einstein : he fits in the Levant and in fact even outside, like in North Africa and Egypt

The article is a good one. Not only Europeans, but Jews too saw themselves as Middle Easterners : Martin Buber, probaly the greatest Jewish philosopher of the last century, in one of his books, talks of the Jews as "Asiatics", and in the same breath as the Egyptians, Chinese or Indians. It was a widespread opinion. Anti Israel activist, Gilad Atzmon, shows in his book The Wandering Who ? how the early Zionist leaders (Ben Gurion, etc) considered the Palestinian villager as "the best representative of the Hebrew" (they changed their opinion later on, because of politics, then perceiving the same Palestinian as an "Arab invader").

Independently of Israel, if we forget the Zionist experience and post-1948 history, this article is not wrong at all - Jews are a Middle Easterner group.

Jews and Muslims are objective allies against Edom/Christianity/Europe, that's why Jews come up with the most destructive ideologies against "Whites" as well as facilitating Islamic migration:



The Encyclopedia of Jewish Symbols, p. 49



Alan Brill, Judaism and World Religions: Encountering Christianity, Islam, and Eastern Traditions, pp. 148-149

Yes the Quran mentions that jews are a smart people, It's kind of funny I see a lot of angry white Europeans who listen to stefan molyneux an 'athiest' philosopher', but actually ethnically a jew, his mother is a jew, he is brainwashing these Europeans. The Zionist have taken over the so called 'alt right'.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION]

Surprise: Ashkenazi Jews Are Genetically European

The origin of the Ashkenazi Jews, who come most recently from Europe, has largely been shrouded in mystery. But a new study suggests that at least their maternal lineage may derive largely from Europe.

Though the finding may seem intuitive, it contradicts the notion that European Jews mostly descend from people who left Israel and the Middle East around 2,000 years ago. Instead, a substantial proportion of the population originates from local Europeans who converted to Judaism, said study co-author Martin Richards, an archaeogeneticist at the University of Huddersfield in England.

Little is known about the history of Ashkenazi Jews before they were expelled from the Mediterranean and settled in what is now Poland around the 12th century. On average, all Ashkenazi Jews are genetically as closely related to each other as fourth or fifth cousins, said Dr. Harry Ostrer, a pathology, pediatrics and genetics professor at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York and the author of "Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People" (Oxford University Press, 2012).

But depending on whether the lineage gets traced through maternal or paternal DNA or through the rest of the genome, researchers got very different answers for whether Ashkenazi originally came from Europe or the Near East.

Past research found that 50 percent to 80 percent of DNA from the Ashkenazi Y chromosome, which is used to trace the male lineage, originated in the Near East, Richards said. That supported a story wherein Jews came from Israel and largely eschewed intermarriage when they settled in Europe. [The Holy Land: 7 Amazing Archaeological Finds]

But historical documents tell a slightly different tale. Based on accounts such as those of Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, by the time of the destruction of the Second Temple in A.D. 70, as many as 6 million Jews were living in the Roman Empire, but outside Israel, mainly in Italy and Southern Europe. In contrast, only about 500,000 lived in Judea, said Ostrer, who was not involved in the new study.

"The major Jewish communities were outside Judea," Ostrer told LiveScience.

Maternal DNA

Richards and his colleagues analyzed mitochondrial DNA, which is contained in the cytoplasm of the egg and passed down only from the mother, from more than 3,500 people throughout the Near East, the Caucusus and Europe, including Ashkenazi Jews.

The team found that four founders were responsible for 40 percent of Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA, and that all of these founders originated in Europe. The majority of the remaining people could be traced to other European lineages.

All told, more than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with only a few lineages originating in the Near East.

Virtually none came from the North Caucasus, located along the border between Europe and Asia between the Black and Caspian seas.

The finding should thoroughly debunk one of the most questionable, but still tenacious, hypotheses: that most Ashkenazi Jews can trace their roots to the mysterious Khazar Kingdom that flourished during the ninth century in the region between the Byzantine Empire and the Persian Empire, Richards and Ostrer said.

The genetics suggest many of the founding Ashkenazi women were actually converts from local European populations.

"The simplest explanation was that it was mainly women who converted and they married with men who'd come from the Near East," Richards told LiveScience.

Another possibility is that Jews actively converted both men and women among local populations at this time, although researchers would need more detailed study of paternal lineages to test that hypothesis, Richards said.

https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

 

[enkidu_]

Yes the Quran mentions that jews are a smart people, It's kind of funny I see a lot of angry white Europeans who listen to stefan molyneux an 'athiest' philosopher', but actually ethnically a jew, his mother is a jew, he is brainwashing these Europeans. The Zionist have taken over the so called 'alt right'.

Every major "right wing" activist is technically a Jew : not only Stefan, but also the infamous gay Milo and even Lauren Southern (she said on Twitter that her grandparents were Jews). Rebel Media, the temple of Canadian conservatism, is headed by Ezra Levant, a Jew. In France too, the main head of conservatism, Eric Zemmour, is not only a Jew, but a Berber one (which means when the Ashkenazim don't do their job, even "lesser Jews" step up). The rare cases when they're not Jews, they're more Zionists than the majority of Jews, the likes of Geert Wilders.

Of course the major left wing figures are also Jews (Chomsky, Sanders, ...) so they have all bases covered.

You have to keep in mind that since the 17th, through the Rav. Arizal, Kabbalah has penetrated all trends of Judaism (from "Orthodox" to "liberal"), and one of its main ideas is "tikkun olam", which is generally translated by Jews as "repairing the world" : but in reality, their main philosophy is to bring the more disasters into the world, so the Messiah comes ; some rabbis say "a mother gives birth only if she suffers the pain of birthing". That's why Jews have been over represented in many "apocalyptic" or revolutionary movements, from the French revolution (see the life of Junius Frey) to the "Arab Spring" (all Soros money), and through of course the Bolshevik revolution (they were less than 1% of the Tsarist Empire, but 90% of the Bolshevik high command, to the extent that Lenin had to hid his Jewish roots, otherwise they'd be perceived as a "Jewish sect").

 

[enkidu_]

[MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION]



https://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

The data's have been misinterpreted : the Jews before the 5th century allowed religious conversion, and began to disallow it under the pressure of the newly Christian Roman Empire. During that time they married off goyiim women, even if it was always a minority view (one of the most recurrent themes in the Jewish Bible is the interdiction of marriages with other races.) So they did marry foreign women, but 1) it was always a minor phenomenon ; 2) these women were from modern day Italy mainly, so that can't explain the so called "European look" and 3) since the 5th century they have been marrying between themselves so the "European blood" is more or less diluted.

I had a Jewish friend on FB who had an album with literally +1000 pictures of Ashkenazim, of all fields : the number of "European looking" ones were 1%.

If you read European writers they all described Jews as a "foreign group" because of their looks (the so called hooked nose, tan, etc).

Rav. Abraham Joschua Heschel as an archetypal Ashkenazi look (he himself was from Poland):

 

[KingKhanWC]

The data's have been misinterpreted : the Jews before the 5th century allowed religious conversion, and began to disallow it under the pressure of the newly Christian Roman Empire. During that time they married off goyiim women, even if it was always a minority view (one of the most recurrent themes in the Jewish Bible is the interdiction of marriages with other races.) So they did marry foreign women, but 1) it was always a minor phenomenon ; 2) these women were from modern day Italy mainly, so that can't explain the so called "European look" and 3) since the 5th century they have been marrying between themselves so the "European blood" is more or less diluted.

I had a Jewish friend on FB who had an album with literally +1000 pictures of Ashkenazim, of all fields : the number of "European looking" ones were 1%.

If you read European writers they all described Jews as a "foreign group" because of their looks (the so called hooked nose, tan, etc).

Rav. Abraham Joschua Heschel as an archetypal Ashkenazi look (he himself was from Poland):

Even if we accept the details you have provided. What is the definition of 'white'? How can people who ancestry is from Europe, don't have no colour in their skin but claim not to be white.

 

[enkidu_]

Even if we accept the details you have provided. What is the definition of 'white'? How can people who ancestry is from Europe, don't have no colour in their skin but claim not to be white.

"White" is not an anthropology marker. Imran Khan (cricketer) would be considered "White" by many. In the same way I've myself seen Syrians, Iraqi (even Bedouins), etc who'd look White, in fact Whiter than many Ashkenazim.

Jews, whether Ashkenazim, Sephardim or Mizarhim aren't "Whites" nor "Europeans" ethnically (even if "culturally" many are).

For me "White = European", as simple as that, the "White looking" Ashkenazim, Pashtuns, Persians, Lebanese, etc will always be outliers/exceptions.

 

[shaz619]

I'd have to leave the UK if I abstained from all the zionist influences but I don't pick and choose what am going to blacklist, instead I just go about me day like any other standard bloke. What am concerned about though is domestic policy more the anything and watching a movie or two won't affect that so I don't have a problem with Gal Gadot anymore

 

[KingKhanWC]

"White" is not an anthropology marker. Imran Khan (cricketer) would be considered "White" by many. In the same way I've myself seen Syrians, Iraqi (even Bedouins), etc who'd look White, in fact Whiter than many Ashkenazim.

Jews, whether Ashkenazim, Sephardim or Mizarhim aren't "Whites" nor "Europeans" ethnically (even if "culturally" many are).

For me "White = European", as simple as that, the "White looking" Ashkenazim, Pashtuns, Persians, Lebanese, etc will always be outliers/exceptions.

White generally refers to people coming from Europe, this is what most people seem to accept. The 'caucasian race' which is classed as white in America also has people from other parts such as North Africa. Sure people can look white from Syria but people can look dark in England too. The issue here is the actress has roots in Europe, there is no evidence her ancestors even have any link to the middle east as claimed. Anyone can become a Jew, a white man from Ireland whose background has no link to the middle east cannot then become non-white because he is now a Jew.

The agenda here is to stop people criticising Jews who flock to the holy land and occupy land because apparently they have historical links to this land, which is pure bs in most cases.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'd have to leave the UK if I abstained from all the zionist influences but I don't pick and choose what am going to blacklist, instead I just go about me day like any other standard bloke. What am concerned about though is domestic policy more the anything and watching a movie or two won't affect that so I don't have a problem with Gal Gadot anymore

I don't either but I hate this actress for what she supports and I personally find these superhero films boring anyway so it's not a problem for me.

 

[enkidu_]

White generally refers to people coming from Europe, this is what most people seem to accept. The 'caucasian race' which is classed as white in America also has people from other parts such as North Africa. Sure people can look white from Syria but people can look dark in England too. The issue here is the actress has roots in Europe, there is no evidence her ancestors even have any link to the middle east as claimed. Anyone can become a Jew, a white man from Ireland whose background has no link to the middle east cannot then become non-white because he is now a Jew.

The agenda here is to stop people criticising Jews who flock to the holy land and occupy land because apparently they have historical links to this land, which is pure bs in most cases.

Yes if we talk of "Caucasians" even the darkest Indians (from India) are "Caucasians", because it's about skull structure (you're either Caucasoid or Mongoloid or Negroid basically), but "White" in America is mainly about lighter Caucasoids (so the dark Hindu would not be classified as such.)

Also conversions to Judaism were close to non existent. An European converting to Judaism in the mediaeval times is like a Muslim converting to Yazidism in ISIS' Mosul ; I mean if you had a masochist fetish, perhaps, but it was very, very rare (and Jews don't accept converts that easily either.)

I think there's other ways to delegitimize such rhetoric than resort to crypto scientific algorithms (back then Jews were "too brown" ; now they're "too European".)

If Jews were any Europeans they wouldn't have been thrown into gas chambers by Whites ; that's a cosmetic and aesthetic penalty that sons of the Germanic tribes generally reserve for non Whites.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I don't either but I hate this actress for what she supports and I personally find these superhero films boring anyway so it's not a problem for me.

Same here. I think the popularity of these superhero films has to do with the troubled times when people like escapism.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes if we talk of "Caucasians" even the darkest Indians (from India) are "Caucasians", because it's about skull structure (you're either Caucasoid or Mongoloid or Negroid basically), but "White" in America is mainly about lighter Caucasoids (so the dark Hindu would not be classified as such.)

Also conversions to Judaism were close to non existent. An European converting to Judaism in the mediaeval times is like a Muslim converting to Yazidism in ISIS' Mosul ; I mean if you had a masochist fetish, perhaps, but it was very, very rare (and Jews don't accept converts that easily either.)

I think there's other ways to delegitimize such rhetoric than resort to crypto scientific algorithms (back then Jews were "too brown" ; now they're "too European".)

If Jews were any Europeans they wouldn't have been thrown into gas chambers by Whites ; that's a cosmetic and aesthetic penalty that sons of the Germanic tribes generally reserve for non Whites.

Interesting. I will have to do more research but I have also read research which suggests most Jews actually originate from Turkey.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Are Syrian and Turks white ? ..

 

[www787]

What's up with this selective boycott? Most of the Hollywood is run and own by Jews. True, majority of them were never in IDF, but, majority of them support Zionism and their ideology of turning that area completely under the control of Zionist rule.

 

[Black Zero]

Sigmund Freud was called "Attila the Hund" by his Austrian friends, for his dark hair:

It's Attila the Hun and not Hund.

 

[enkidu_]

Interesting. I will have to do more research but I have also read research which suggests most Jews actually originate from Turkey.

Are you referring to the "Khazar theory" ? It's very problematic.

But you could say that the roots of the Greek civilization are found in Turkey (in Ionia.)

In fact all the oldest civilizations of the world are found in dar al islam, and so are all the old Biblical prophets - that isn't a coincidence.

Are Syrian and Turks white ? ..

Caucasoids, but not "White", unless on individual level. I guess that the current strategist of al Qaida, Abu Musab al Suri, could be qualified as a "White" Syrian (while he's just depigmented, otherwise his facial features fit in the Levant - like the so called "White" Jews):

It's Attila the Hun and not Hund.

Little mistake, happens, but at least like Attila Freud helped destroying the "West".

 

[Slog]

Heavens forbid Gal Gadot supporting her country and not wanting Hamas terrorists from launching rockets..

 

[SandyB]

Heavens forbid Gal Gadot supporting her country and not wanting Hamas terrorists from launching rockets..

Yeah. The woman lives in Israel ! How different is it from an India celebrity supporting the Indian army or a Pakistani celebrity supporting the Pakistan Army .. ? You have clear examples of what happens when these two don't support their countries.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't either but I hate this actress for what she supports and I personally find these superhero films boring anyway so it's not a problem for me.

Superhero films have been on a downward spiral since Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy, I give most of them a pass these days anyway, although I still like the X-Men films. I wasn't going to watch Wonder Woman anyway regardless of the actress's politics. All the whips, lassoes and cuffs looks like a teenage boy's wet dream to me.

 

[shaz619]

Heavens forbid Gal Gadot supporting her country and not wanting Hamas terrorists from launching rockets..

Yeah. The woman lives in Israel ! How different is it from an India celebrity supporting the Indian army or a Pakistani celebrity supporting the Pakistan Army .. ? You have clear examples of what happens when these two don't support their countries.

@ Sandy and Sloggy

Not everyone blindly supports the leadership in their country, in the UK many of us are not in favour of foreign policy because the war on terror has failed, intervention is fine when a positive role is being played but as we've seen this has not been the case in recent times. In the same manner, Gadot does not have to blindly support the IDF who have butchered so many Palestinians because the aggression in Gaza because it has not been productive.

 

[shaz619]

Superhero films have been on a downward spiral since Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy, I give most of them a pass these days anyway, although I still like the X-Men films. I wasn't going to watch Wonder Woman anyway regardless of the actress's politics. All the whips, lassoes and cuffs looks like a teenage boy's wet dream to me.

Did you watch Logan? that is arguably even better then the Dark Knight. And WW is the first DC movie of the modern era to receive critical acclaim, I've not watched it yet but am intrigued given the positive reception

 

[JaDed]

So if someone takes a stance for Palestine they are hailed as courageous and if someone does the opposite,they are looked down upon?

In this case she is respecting her army, [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] again we will get into the same debate and what not but singing the national anthem has the name of Royal family in them glorifying the violence indirectly,it's no very different what she is doing here, mandatory training in Israel army.

 

[JaDed]

TBH I heard Jessica Jones is better but defn an opinion among ones with different taste.
The hype is making me wonder if I should go for it as well but DC has been absolutely pathetic that I don't know how can they suddenly make a different movie.

 

[shaz619]

So if someone takes a stance for Palestine they are hailed as courageous and if someone does the opposite,they are looked down upon?

In this case she is respecting her army, [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] again we will get into the same debate and what not but singing the national anthem has the name of Royal family in them glorifying the violence indirectly,it's no very different what she is doing here, mandatory training in Israel army.

Singing a national anthem and being proud of your origins/country is not the same as openly being favour of genocide, am not proud of the stuff British Army has been responsible for but I appreciate everything the country has given me; not sure I can say the same for Gadot because she openly supports the IDF who are specifically limited to the aggression in Gaza.

 

[shaz619]

TBH I heard Jessica Jones is better but defn an opinion among ones with different taste.
The hype is making me wonder if I should go for it as well but DC has been absolutely pathetic that I don't know how can they suddenly make a different movie.

It has rave reviews you may as well, I wasn't in favour of the casting because I wanted Gina Carano given her look, MMA legitimacy and acting pedigree but Gadot has been praised universally I'll have to see the movie if she indeed lives up to the hype. PP posters have given her and the movie positive reviews as well.

That Jessica Jones TV show was so good, will be a while until the new one comes out

 

[JaDed]

Singing a national anthem and being proud of your origins/country is not the same as openly being favour of genocide, am not proud of the stuff British Army has been responsible for but I appreciate everything the country has given me; not sure I can say the same for Gadot because she openly supports the IDF who are specifically limited to the aggression in Gaza.

Fair enough..

It has rave reviews you may as well, I wasn't in favour of the casting because I wanted Gina Carano given her look, MMA legitimacy and acting pedigree but Gadot has been praised universally I'll have to see the movie if she indeed lives up to the hype. PP posters have given her and the movie positive reviews as well.

That Jessica Jones TV show was so good, will be a while until the new one comes out

True everyone is praising it but tbf lot of em praised MOS and I found it terrible..but hoping this Ll be better might catch it in the weekend.
Sad to see Chris Pine as male trophy in this..had a meatier role in Star Trek movies.

 

[SandyB]

It has rave reviews you may as well, I wasn't in favour of the casting because I wanted Gina Carano given her look, MMA legitimacy and acting pedigree but Gadot has been praised universally I'll have to see the movie if she indeed lives up to the hype. PP posters have given her and the movie positive reviews as well.

That Jessica Jones TV show was so good, will be a while until the new one comes out

Gal actually acted the part decently, that's the big surprise. I guess it has a lot to do with how good a director Patty is . Sort of like how James Cameron brought out the best in Schwarzenegger.

 

[SandyB]

@ Sandy and Sloggy

Not everyone blindly supports the leadership in their country, in the UK many of us are not in favour of foreign policy because the war on terror has failed, intervention is fine when a positive role is being played but as we've seen this has not been the case in recent times. In the same manner, Gadot does not have to blindly support the IDF who have butchered so many Palestinians because the aggression in Gaza because it has not been productive.

You can't compare UK , US or Canada with countries in the ME or Asia.

As far as neighbourhood, foreign policy etc are concerned, Israel is much more close to India or Pakistan. I was just commenting on what a typical Indian or Pakistani celebrity would've done in the same situation. People living in liberal nations like UK or Canada have luxuries of opinion we can only dream of.

 

[shaz619]

Fair enough..


True everyone is praising it but tbf lot of em praised MOS and I found it terrible..but hoping this Ll be better might catch it in the weekend.
Sad to see Chris Pine as male trophy in this..had a meatier role in Star Trek movies.

True, a lot of them did like MOS and I found it absolute trash was so hyped for it. But the critical reception was also average, WW has a 76% rating on metacritic compared to MOS's 55%. lol is he like the ben affleck in J-Lo's Jenny from the Block video

 

[shaz619]

You can't compare UK , US or Canada with countries in the ME or Asia.

As far as neighbourhood, foreign policy etc are concerned, Israel is much more close to India or Pakistan. I was just commenting on what a typical Indian or Pakistani celebrity would've done in the same situation. People living in liberal nations like UK or Canada have luxuries of opinion we can only dream of.

That's a really good point but Gadot openly sends prayers to IDF etc on social media, that training she did with their army was apparently mandatory [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] ? does every citizen have to take part in it? Anyhow, it's quiet obvious that she supports the aggression in Gaza. She would get a lot of flack for speaking out I understand that but she's not someone who remains neutral, am pretty sure there are many in India and Pakistan who feel the same way there are probably only a minority who are against aggression when it's in their interest despite severe collateral damage but that's not to say that they need to go out of their way to support that aggression you can always remain neutral even when you're afraid of speaking out against something you don't agree with

 

[JaDed]

True, a lot of them did like MOS and I found it absolute trash was so hyped for it. But the critical reception was also average, WW has a 76% rating on metacritic compared to MOS's 55%. lol is he like the ben affleck in J-Lo's Jenny from the Block video

) I remember that video , no wonder Ben couldn't take it.
Yes have seen various critics praise this as well although I still feel Rotten tomato score is inflated

And yup Army training is mandatory for Israelis(Jewish citizens) after 18 ,think Singapore has a similar rule as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel

 

[shaz619]

) I remember that video , no wonder Ben couldn't take it.
Yes have seen various critics praise this as well although I still feel Rotten tomato score is inflated

And yup Army training is mandatory for Israelis(Jewish citizens) after 18 ,think Singapore has a similar rule as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel

I agree that's why I rarely pay attention to Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic are generally more accurate. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is another movie I've been looking forward to but I just finished studies now not sure there are many theatres still showing it.

Oh right, so they are pretty much trained to think a certain way from a young age so I can't overly critics them for their views because it does take quiet the effort to shape ideas for yourself. Reminds me of the daughters of akhu in episode 1 of latest Samurai Jack season which is incredible by the way

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Did you watch Logan? that is arguably even better then the Dark Knight. And WW is the first DC movie of the modern era to receive critical acclaim, I've not watched it yet but am intrigued given the positive reception

I didn't watch Logan, I never really liked the Wolverine spin-off films, tried to watch them then gave up halfway. The review I read of Wonder Woman was written by a woman as it happens, and she seemed to think it was just more titillation dressed up as feminism. I have no idea if that's accurate, only someone who's seen the film could really say. I have a feeling it's another one of those films that will get attention for one summer then be forgotten about.

 

[shaz619]

I didn't watch Logan, I never really liked the Wolverine spin-off films, tried to watch them then gave up halfway. The review I read of Wonder Woman was written by a woman as it happens, and she seemed to think it was just more titillation dressed up as feminism. I have no idea if that's accurate, only someone who's seen the film could really say. I have a feeling it's another one of those films that will get attention for one summer then be forgotten about.

If you loved all the X-Men movies do give Logan a watch! it's on another level compared to the spin-offs they made, it's a lot darker and edgier; finally does the Wolverine Character justice and provides a fitting finale; easily the best movie in the X-Men franchise and it compares to The Dark Knight for me.

Going by some of the Pper reviews even those whom are overly negative towards the genre it's worth watching so am going to check it out if I get the chance, I don't why that reviewer went so hardcore it's just a damn movie why get so political about it with the feminism; you either like it or you don't, we should critique things like how well it's made above everything else

 

[SandyB]

I didn't watch Logan, I never really liked the Wolverine spin-off films, tried to watch them then gave up halfway. The review I read of Wonder Woman was written by a woman as it happens, and she seemed to think it was just more titillation dressed up as feminism. I have no idea if that's accurate, only someone who's seen the film could really say. I have a feeling it's another one of those films that will get attention for one summer then be forgotten about.

That was always a part of WW's appeal. Even the creator William moulton marston (The guy who invented the lie detector ) who wanted WW to be the prototype of the Modern woman (he believed women were superior), still held certain dissonant views like "woman reveling in male domination", so you often found WW being tied up and chained (he liked bondage), and wearing skimpy clothes, to go along with the "ultra progressive" portrayal of a woman for the 40's when she was created. The later artists especially till late 90's overdosed on the titillation , while watering down the progressive elements, which made WW an object of dislike for post-modern feminists.

Good or bad, the costume IS a part of her identity , and ALL superheroes are more or less made to titillate human minds somehow, so I would give that criticism a pass.

This movies actually dials down on the titillation AFAIK, the costumes are functional as you'd guess ancient Greeks would dress like, and the focus is way more on the action and character than on Gal's body. She could've had more muscles methinks, but since she's already super-powerd, she'd not need it is a good counter argument.

More than anything , this movie is working because it gives "HOPE", in our dark times. Superhero movies are usually just entertaining films where you don't care about the people who die (Most Marvel films) or Convoluted films (X-men series) or films that paint a dark and bleak picture of our reality (Nolan's trilogy). But this film along with Logan before actually makes you care about the people who die.

If you loved all the X-Men movies do give Logan a watch! it's on another level compared to the spin-offs they made, it's a lot darker and edgier; finally does the Wolverine Character justice and provides a fitting finale; easily the best movie in the X-Men franchise and it compares to The Dark Knight for me.

Going by some of the Pper reviews even those whom are overly negative towards the genre it's worth watching so am going to check it out if I get the chance, I don't why that reviewer went so hardcore it's just a damn movie why get so political about it with the feminism; you either like it or you don't, we should critique things like how well it's made above everything else

Agree. I'd prefer watching it as a film objectively , instead of bringing all the politics into it . Given that Hollywood itself is a completely American and Jewish dominated sphere, you shouldn't be watching their films at all in the first place if you were that concerned.

 

[shaz619]

That was always a part of WW's appeal. Even the creator William moulton marston (The guy who invented the lie detector ) who wanted WW to be the prototype of the Modern woman (he believed women were superior), still held certain dissonant views like "woman reveling in male domination", so you often found WW being tied up and chained (he liked bondage), and wearing skimpy clothes, to go along with the "ultra progressive" portrayal of a woman for the 40's when she was created. The later artists especially till late 90's overdosed on the titillation , while watering down the progressive elements, which made WW an object of dislike for post-modern feminists.

Good or bad, the costume IS a part of her identity , and ALL superheroes are more or less made to titillate human minds somehow, so I would give that criticism a pass.

This movies actually dials down on the titillation AFAIK, the costumes are functional as you'd guess ancient Greeks would dress like, and the focus is way more on the action and character than on Gal's body. She could've had more muscles methinks, but since she's already super-powerd, she'd not need it is a good counter argument.

More than anything , this movie is working because it gives "HOPE", in our dark times. Superhero movies are usually just entertaining films where you don't care about the people who die (Most Marvel films) or Convoluted films (X-men series) or films that paint a dark and bleak picture of our reality (Nolan's trilogy). But this film along with Logan before actually makes you care about the people who die.



Agree. I'd prefer watching it as a film objectively , instead of bringing all the politics into it . Given that Hollywood itself is a completely American and Jewish dominated sphere, you shouldn't be watching their films at all in the first place if you were that concerned.

True I agree with that, no need to selectively blacklist x or y because there really is no use and it achieves nothing in the grand scheme. Movies and Actors should be critiqued based on performance above everything else.

 

[Dead Ball]

Loved the movie.

Recommended it to all my friends and may watch it the second time as well.

Will watch a good movie/buy a good album, if its made by supporters of terrorist groups like Hamas too.

 

[Dead Ball]

Loved the movie.

Recommended it to all my friends and may watch it the second time as well.

Will watch a good movie/buy a good album, if its made by supporters of terrorist groups like Hamas too.

I meant 'wont'. Don't know what i was thinking.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That was always a part of WW's appeal. Even the creator William moulton marston (The guy who invented the lie detector ) who wanted WW to be the prototype of the Modern woman (he believed women were superior), still held certain dissonant views like "woman reveling in male domination", so you often found WW being tied up and chained (he liked bondage), and wearing skimpy clothes, to go along with the "ultra progressive" portrayal of a woman for the 40's when she was created. The later artists especially till late 90's overdosed on the titillation , while watering down the progressive elements, which made WW an object of dislike for post-modern feminists.

Good or bad, the costume IS a part of her identity , and ALL superheroes are more or less made to titillate human minds somehow, so I would give that criticism a pass.

This movies actually dials down on the titillation AFAIK, the costumes are functional as you'd guess ancient Greeks would dress like, and the focus is way more on the action and character than on Gal's body. She could've had more muscles methinks, but since she's already super-powerd, she'd not need it is a good counter argument.

More than anything , this movie is working because it gives "HOPE", in our dark times. Superhero movies are usually just entertaining films where you don't care about the people who die (Most Marvel films) or Convoluted films (X-men series) or films that paint a dark and bleak picture of our reality (Nolan's trilogy). But this film along with Logan before actually makes you care about the people who die.



Agree. I'd prefer watching it as a film objectively , instead of bringing all the politics into it . Given that Hollywood itself is a completely American and Jewish dominated sphere, you shouldn't be watching their films at all in the first place if you were that concerned.

Truth be told I'm watching very few films at the moment unless they really catch my imagination, politics has nothing to do with it. Superhero films especially I think I've had my fill for a while now. Wonder Woman was never a character I gave much thought to in the first place, in fact this is the first time I'm hearing about any connection to Jewish links. Anyway, I doubt that has much to do with the story, whatever that is.

 

[James]

There are many Israelis who oppose Israeli policy on Palestine and wider Israeli foreign policy. It's not a valid excuse that she is from Israel so must support everything it does by default.

I am from Britain, and I judge every domestic or foreign policy decision that Britain makes on its objective merits. There is no fanatical support nor is there irrational opposition. The British government does some things very well and some things very badly.

 

[SandyB]

Truth be told I'm watching very few films at the moment unless they really catch my imagination, politics has nothing to do with it. Superhero films especially I think I've had my fill for a while now. Wonder Woman was never a character I gave much thought to in the first place, in fact this is the first time I'm hearing about any connection to Jewish links. Anyway, I doubt that has much to do with the story, whatever that is.

Dunno if WW has any Jewish links apart from Gal Gadot's casting . She was supposed to be an American Icon, who fought Nazis and Commies in the WW2 and Cold war era. Already there are cries in the US right wing for her losing the classical dress based on the "American flag" . They see it as Hollywood pandering to global audiences at the cost of loyalty to the US.

 

[SandyB]

There are many Israelis who oppose Israeli policy on Palestine and wider Israeli foreign policy. It's not a valid excuse that she is from Israel so must support everything it does by default.

I am from Britain, and I judge every domestic or foreign policy decision that Britain makes on its objective merits. There is no fanatical support nor is there irrational opposition. The British government does some things very well and some things very badly.

Your country had a long drawn out transition to the democratic system , so reactions and opinions are always measured and sensible.

People in younger nations like India, Pak or even israel, which were built on a more manufactured vision of "nationhood" which was forced on a region that was earlier used to just warring kingdoms, the people feel a constant need to validate the existence of their nation. This results in a culture that demands unflinching loyalty to the nation, its institutions and policies (state religion, army, culture etc etc).

 

[KingKhanWC]

Your country had a long drawn out transition to the democratic system , so reactions and opinions are always measured and sensible.

People in younger nations like India, Pak or even israel, which were built on a more manufactured vision of "nationhood" which was forced on a region that was earlier used to just warring kingdoms, the people feel a constant need to validate the existence of their nation. This results in a culture that demands unflinching loyalty to the nation, its institutions and policies (state religion, army, culture etc etc).

It's foolish to compare Israel to Pakistan/India. People moved from all over the world to a land they claim is their God given right according to their holy book. After receiving the land given to them by a third party, they have murdered, occupied, oppressed and terrorist the inhabitants of that land. Pakistan/India were created out of the existing land.

This is a woman who was actively supporting the massacre of innocent people in Gaza. I would keep this in mind.