"You cannot be chasing 338 to win and still have 5 wickets in hand" : Sourav Ganguly

[MenInG]

When a former Indian great says this - you must listen and not discard that as 'one of those things'


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sourav Ganguly "I don't have an explanation for this"<br><br>Nasser Hussain "Surely Indian fans will want to see Dhoni have a go. They have paid good money & are going home before the end of the match"<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145385050663522304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

Ganguly was cheezed off and for a good reason.

 

[PakLFC]

Don't know why India did not go down fighting here. May as well be all out then giving in like cowards.

 

[Technics 1210]

What is the India media saying?

 

[Saj]

Ganguly was embarrassed on commentary.

You could tell he was feeling uncomfortable about what was going on out there.

 

[Zhasan]

Now more than wanting Pakistan to qualify for Semis, I want Eng to thrash India in the Semis...

 

[PakLFC]

I am not buying this India did this to eliminate Pak for a minute. NZ can still defeat England on Wednesday so it's not all over yet. Fingers crescented Will say that India not trying does raise a question mark though.

 

[Abdullah719]

 

[xbronze]

Folks, take it from an India fan...India lost because they were the inferior team today. Did you all watch how well ENG bowled, fielded, and batted today from the get go. And how their opening bowlers had Indian batsman tied up completely. Till he scored 45 Sharma was batting like a tail ender, and should have been out when he was on 1 or 2 had the simple dolly of a catch been taken.

Dont even want to talk about bits and pieces players like Pant, Dhoni and Jadhav, who have been lionized by the media. Pant kept falling when attempting shots. On another occasion his bat goes flying, only for the commentator to educate us that this bat flying off is a regular feature of Pant's batting (so maybe, close in fielder need to wear helmets when Pant is on). Likewise, him falling when playing some shots is also supposed to be a regular feature (so the commentator informs us). I am not even getting started on Pants pathetic running between the wickets (that almost caused 2 run outs)...utterly totally clueless.

Great! So this is the kind of mercurial batting prodigies that are boasted about as the future of Indian cricket. And folks are surprised that this team lost to ENG. Did we all watch the same match today?

 

[Manager101]

Currently India does not have the batting depth to chase big scores, they looked literally handicapped today.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

come on guys how on earth did they only score 2 runs from Woakes first 5 overs.

 

[sweep_shot]

come on guys how on earth did they only score 2 runs from Woakes first 5 overs.

Woakes actually bowled 3 maidens! His first three overs were all maidens.

Only explanation is India wanted to preserve good NRR instead of going for the win.

 

[PakWarrior]

Guys, it was obvious what happened today.

The game plan of India today was that if they felt that they couldn't win the match after 35 overs then they decided that they would NOT risk losing more than 6 wickets. As losing no more than 6 wickets despite losing the match would PROTECT their NRR.

So they basically stopped going after the win after Pandya got out.

They didn't want to be bowled out as this would have destroyed their NRR.

Very smart thinking by India in order to protect their chances of going through should they lose their remaining matches as their NRR would be protected.

 

[dildilpak]

Guys, it was obvious what happened today.

The game plan of India today was that if they felt that they couldn't win the match after 35 overs then they decided that they would NOT risk losing more than 6 wickets. As losing no more than 6 wickets despite losing the match would PROTECT their NRR.

So they basically stopped going after the win after Pandya got out.

They didn't want to be bowled out as this would have destroyed their NRR.

Very smart thinking by India in order to protect their chances of going through should they lose their remaining matches as their NRR would be protected.

Agree, i think this is what Dhoni decided - it wasnt probably Kohli’s call though, he too seemed frustrated with Dhoni’s lack of killer instinct in the post-match interview.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

This is expected from Dhoni

 

[unemployedgm]

As Pakistanis we need to ask ourselves why we continue to need help when we have destiny in our hands.

That said, the first 10 and the last 10 overs deserve greater scrutiny. Just as a cricket fan it didn't seem India had the intent to chase this score down.

Karma!!!

 

[PakLFC]

Nasser and Saurav so much wanted to use the word "cheating" but obviously couldn't. Another thing everyone has forgotten is why did Kohli not go upstairs when Bairstow clearly gloved it? Dhoni would have known it was out then Bairstow goes on the score plenty more. Having reconsidered my views I feel more then to eliminate Pak India played this way to make sure the "big three" make it to the semi's. India hardly hit any sixes despite the boundary being so short where as England hit them for fun. There are to many question marks.

 

[PakLFC]

I will never blame India if we are eliminated as it is not their job to put us through! Lets face it most of us Pak fans would have wanted our team to lose today as well if the shoe was on the other foot, if it meant making it difficult for India to qualify. The question is still that did India lose deliberately or was the match fixed? After all even the experts including a former Indian captain were baffled to see how India batted.

 

[Captain caveman]

Guys, it was obvious what happened today.

The game plan of India today was that if they felt that they couldn't win the match after 35 overs then they decided that they would NOT risk losing more than 6 wickets. As losing no more than 6 wickets despite losing the match would PROTECT their NRR.

So they basically stopped going after the win after Pandya got out.

They didn't want to be bowled out as this would have destroyed their NRR.

Very smart thinking by India in order to protect their chances of going through should they lose their remaining matches as their NRR would be protected.

NRR is affected by wickets?
Please explain how NRR works?
I am being genuine, as i was unaware of this.

 

[Syed1]

As Pakistanis we need to ask ourselves why we continue to need help when we have destiny in our hands.

That said, the first 10 and the last 10 overs deserve greater scrutiny. Just as a cricket fan it didn't seem India had the intent to chase this score down.

Karma!!!

Because we have same number of losses as England but were denied an easy win against SL due to weather.

Always helps to educate oneself

 

[Syed1]

NRR is affected by wickets?
Please explain how NRR works?
I am being genuine, as i was unaware of this.

He doesn't know the first thing about NRR. The only thing that effects NRR is how much you scored and how much your opposition scored. If you are bowled out before your alloted 50 overs then it has an effect. So no losing 5,6 or 7 wickets has absolutely no effect on NRR.

 

[zamana]

Pakistan would have made a more concerted effort in chasing this total.

I believe Pakistan would have made a more concerted in chasing this total . The Indian bowling was ineffective. Shami was lucky to get a 5 fer as the English batting was hitting out. The batting was very poor in attempting to chase this total. They seemed more intent on achieving personal goals rather than trying to win the game. I don't se them going very far.

Folks, take it from an India fan...India lost because they were the inferior team today. Did you all watch how well ENG bowled, fielded, and batted today from the get go. And how their opening bowlers had Indian batsman tied up completely. Till he scored 45 Sharma was batting like a tail ender, and should have been out when he was on 1 or 2 had the simple dolly of a catch been taken.

Dont even want to talk about bits and pieces players like Pant, Dhoni and Jadhav, who have been lionized by the media. Pant kept falling when attempting shots. On another occasion his bat goes flying, only for the commentator to educate us that this bat flying off is a regular feature of Pant's batting (so maybe, close in fielder need to wear helmets when Pant is on). Likewise, him falling when playing some shots is also supposed to be a regular feature (so the commentator informs us). I am not even getting started on Pants pathetic running between the wickets (that almost caused 2 run outs)...utterly totally clueless.

Great! So this is the kind of mercurial batting prodigies that are boasted about as the future of Indian cricket. And folks are surprised that this team lost to ENG. Did we all watch the same match today?

 

[Captain caveman]

He doesn't know the first thing about NRR. The only thing that effects NRR is how much you scored and how much your opposition scored. If you are bowled out before your alloted 50 overs then it has an effect. So no losing 5,6 or 7 wickets has absolutely no effect on NRR.

Yes bro, i know this, i was just testing him!

 

[zamana]

If they lose the remaining 2 games, then their NRR will definitely be adversely affected. They just might lose the 2 games, the way they were playing. They have definitely regressed.

 

[Captain caveman]

He doesn't know the first thing about NRR. The only thing that effects NRR is how much you scored and how much your opposition scored. If you are bowled out before your alloted 50 overs then it has an effect. So no losing 5,6 or 7 wickets has absolutely no effect on NRR.

I think he is confusing NRR with DLS!

 

[Captain caveman]

For people who don't know how NRR is worked out :-

(Your score ÷ by the number of overs batted) - (your opponents score ÷ by the number of overs they batted)

Therefore, NRR is only affected by runs scored and number of overs batted.
Wickets have nothing to do with it!

 

[Sunny_majoka]

India don't have batting depth their batting highly dependent on kohli and sharma

 

[Captain caveman]

For people who don't know how NRR is worked out :-

(Your score ÷ by the number of overs batted) - (your opponents score ÷ by the number of overs they batted)

Therefore, NRR is only affected by runs scored and number of overs batted.
Wickets have nothing to do with it!

Hence, even a small score, like pak got against WI would have been ok, if pak made WI bat as close to 50 overs as possible.
The damage was done when pak let WI score the runs required in 13 OVERS!

 

[Captain caveman]

India don't have batting depth their batting highly dependent on kohli and sharma

No one is saying india should have won the match! 338 is a huge target!
What people are asking is with 6 overs and 5 wickets in hand, why didn't they try to score the runs, even if they got bowled out 20 runs short!
As sourav is saying, you can't have 5 wickets left over, when chasing 338 and failing!

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Pakistan-in-Test-cricket-quot-Saurav-Ganguly

When the same person rated the India team much higher than the Pakistan team, a lot of the same folks who are quoting him as if it was written in stone had their heads spinning. You can't have it both ways

 

[Justcrazy]

Kohli and Sharma were batting very slow , the kind of talent they are it is surprising

 

[jnaveen1980]

Guys, it was obvious what happened today.

The game plan of India today was that if they felt that they couldn't win the match after 35 overs then they decided that they would NOT risk losing more than 6 wickets. As losing no more than 6 wickets despite losing the match would PROTECT their NRR.

So they basically stopped going after the win after Pandya got out.

They didn't want to be bowled out as this would have destroyed their NRR.

Very smart thinking by India in order to protect their chances of going through should they lose their remaining matches as their NRR would be protected.

Why number of wickets will affect NRR? INdia never has to worry about NRR. It was already good. INdia has 2 relatively easier matches coming up.

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

Kohli and Sharma were batting very slow , the kind of talent they are it is surprising

Why is it surprising? Did you see how the English bowlers were slowing their deliveries, cutting pace to avoid being hit. Maybe you were watching a different game

 

[jnaveen1980]

All said and done a chase of 300 plus is always hard in the world cup. Even with so many hitters on a flat track England could not chase 348. They chased well in Bilaterals against WI and Pakistan Come the world cup.Pressure got to them. Especially for a team like India that has lost one of their gun batsman 338 is harder to chase. India should not concede this many runs in the first place with their bowling. But on a flat wicket (where they cleverly dropped a spinner) Indian spinners were neutralized. That is where the game was won by England. That one additional spinner that India had went for plenty. Also pitch slowed down in the end.

 

[MP2011]

Kohli and Sharma were batting very slow , the kind of talent they are it is surprising

These 2 basically comprise the whole Indian batting lineup, that's why they had to rein themselves in. And England (bar Wood) bowled well, no doubt about that.

 

[MP2011]

All said and done a chase of 300 plus is always hard in the world cup. Even with so many hitters on a flat track England could not chase 348. They chased well in Bilaterals against WI and Pakistan Come the world cup.Pressure got to them. Especially for a team like India that has lost one of their gun batsman 338 is harder to chase. India should not concede this many runs in the first place with their bowling. But on a flat wicket (where they cleverly dropped a spinner) Indian spinners were neutralized. That is where the game was won by England. That one additional spinner that India had went for plenty. Also pitch slowed down in the end.

If England were to chase on this pitch, it won't have been easy for them as well. They lost all 3 games in this WC while chasing. Chasing, as you said, is a whole different beast altogether.

 

[KP From India]

If Dhoni/Jadhav had got out, there was a possibility of something like Kuldeep 6(14) and Bumrah 2(5) remained there till the end and we would 288/8 in 50 overs.

 

[KP From India]

NRR would have been affected if Kuli, Chahal, Bumrah had been lucky not to be dismissed but played out 50 overs at a strike rate of 50-60. We may have got 20 less.

 

[Justcrazy]

These 2 basically comprise the whole Indian batting lineup, that's why they had to rein themselves in. And England (bar Wood) bowled well, no doubt about that.

Its not convincing reply.

When you are chasing such a big total , you cannot be playing out Woakes for so many maidens.

 

[SaadAliG]

Guys, it was obvious what happened today.

The game plan of India today was that if they felt that they couldn't win the match after 35 overs then they decided that they would NOT risk losing more than 6 wickets. As losing no more than 6 wickets despite losing the match would PROTECT their NRR.

So they basically stopped going after the win after Pandya got out.

They didn't want to be bowled out as this would have destroyed their NRR.

Very smart thinking by India in order to protect their chances of going through should they lose their remaining matches as their NRR would be protected.

Net run rate doesn't take into account number of wickets lost.
I don't know why most of PPers are using this argument.

 

[SaadAliG]

If Dhoni/Jadhav had got out, there was a possibility of something like Kuldeep 6(14) and Bumrah 2(5) remained there till the end and we would 288/8 in 50 overs.

It would mean they had shown intent which means they might have scored at a decent rate hence better NRR.

 

[Captain caveman]

Net run rate doesn't take into account number of wickets lost.
I don't know why most of PPers are using this argument.

Either they don't know the difference between NRR and DLS or more likely, they are making up EXCUSES!

 

[SaadAliG]

All said and done a chase of 300 plus is always hard in the world cup. Even with so many hitters on a flat track England could not chase 348. They chased well in Bilaterals against WI and Pakistan Come the world cup.Pressure got to them. Especially for a team like India that has lost one of their gun batsman 338 is harder to chase. India should not concede this many runs in the first place with their bowling. But on a flat wicket (where they cleverly dropped a spinner) Indian spinners were neutralized. That is where the game was won by England. That one additional spinner that India had went for plenty. Also pitch slowed down in the end.

The question is not about not being able to chase 338. It's about being in good position for most of the match with wickets in hands and not really trying to accelerate.
It's about scoring in 83 runs after first 20 overs on a flat deck with only one wicket down.
It's about scoring 25 runs from 24 balls from 46-49 overs, again with wickets in hand.
The reason, I repeat, cannot be NRR in the final 5 overs as wickets in hand has no impact on net run rate.

 

[Captain caveman]

It would mean they had shown intent which means they might have scored at a decent rate hence better NRR.

CORRECT SIR!
These people are trying to explain the UNEXPLAINABLE, by talking rubbish!
Of course there is an explaination!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It would mean they had shown intent which means they might have scored at a decent rate hence better NRR.

What intent lol? These same fans would have criticised them for not scoring runs then also. Some of these fans wanted a scapegoat for this match and its Dhoni. Big hitters like Pant and Pandya should have finished the game themselves. They should watch old clips of Yuvi, Raina and Dhoni chasing targets and finishing games for India.

 

[Mamoon]

Inexplicable things happen at times and there isn’t always a valid explanation for it. Dhoni’s approach was bizarre, but so was Ganguly’s decision to bowl first in the 2003 World Cup final on a flat wicket.

 

[KP From India]

If Dhoni/Jadhav had got out lets say in 46'th over going for glory shots, Kuldeep, Shami and Chahal would have been next, and had these guys somehow survived, we would have ended around 285 which would have slightly affected NRR, it might not have got affected if next 4 wickets gone in one over but we assume they bat 50 overs, Kuli, Chahal etc.have SR of 50.
In 1996 quaeter finals, Pak managed very few runs vs Ind in last 5 overs with Waqar remaining 4(19).though NRR didnt have significance for that match.

 

[ntomer]

Why are Pakistanis so concerned about this? This was Indian team's prerogative - whether to go for the win or to preserve NRR.

They didn't owe anything to Pakistani team and contrary to what one guy (Captain Caveman) had been shouting everywhere - there is no such rule that a team should aim to win - because it's simply not measurable.

We Indians have no problems with the result, why you are getting your knickers in a twist. Your team is in such a situation because it's not good enough; simple.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Inexplicable things happen at times and there isn’t always a valid explanation for it. Dhoni’s approach was bizarre, but so was Ganguly’s decision to bowl first in the 2003 World Cup final on a flat wicket.

Exactly. Still can't forget that decision by Ganguly. Our players body language dropped within 5 first overs when Zak got a phainty from Hayden and co.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Why are Pakistanis so concerned about this? This was Indian team's prerogative - whether to go for the win or to preserve NRR.

They didn't owe anything to Pakistani team and contrary to what one guy (Captain Caveman) had been shouting everywhere - there is no such rule that a team should aim to win - because it's simply not measurable.

We Indians have no problems with the result, why you are getting your knickers in a twist. Your team is in such a situation because it's not good enough; simple.

You are wrong. Some of our fellow indian fans have problem with the result because they have got a perfect opportunity to blame Dhoni. If you look at the scorecard though Dhoni without intent outperformed Pant with intent and ugly hacks.

 

[Hitman]

Feel bad for Dhoni. He deserves better than what he is getting from the fans. Easily the best finisher we have ever had, and amongst the best in the world during his peak. I’ve always been a massive fan of him. But this is what happens when you overstay your welcome. Sachin too got his fare share of criticism during the last 2 years of his career. Even Kumble was criticised when his performance went downhill in 2008, despite the fact that he was good in 2007. Indian fans are usually extremely impatient.

The real Railu Katta in the team is that K.L. Rahul. I’ve simply run of patience with him. We’ve basically been playing with 10 players since the tour to England, with him in the team.

 

[ak619]

You are wrong. Some of our fellow indian fans have problem with the result because they have got a perfect opportunity to blame Dhoni. If you look at the scorecard though Dhoni without intent outperformed Pant with intent and ugly hacks.

Lol exactly.

Isn't it funny that Hardik Pandya, with all his intent still ended up on the same SR as Dhoni?

Pandya made 7 runs off his last 13 balls. Didn't even try to hit a 6.

But of course, Dhoni and only Dhoni lacks intent.

 

[SaadAliG]

If Dhoni/Jadhav had got out lets say in 46'th over going for glory shots, Kuldeep, Shami and Chahal would have been next, and had these guys somehow survived, we would have ended around 285 which would have slightly affected NRR, it might not have got affected if next 4 wickets gone in one over but we assume they bat 50 overs, Kuli, Chahal etc.have SR of 50.
In 1996 quaeter finals, Pak managed very few runs vs Ind in last 5 overs with Waqar remaining 4(19).though NRR didnt have significance for that match.

Stop taking like Dhoni and Jadhav were batting with 2 wickets remaining. You had 5 wickets remaining with only 30 balls to play. They should've gone for it. Silly explaination.

 

[SaadAliG]

Where did I write it's just on Dhoni. It was on Dhoni but also on Jadhav and Pandya. It wasn't even the approach that was the problem. It's common to keep wickets in hand and have a go in the last 10.
Let's forget Dhoni here and answer this.
Why did they give up at the business end of innings i.e last ten overs when it was very much in their reach. Winning or not winning is another matter, what is your justification for lack of effort?

 

[SaadAliG]

What intent lol? These same fans would have criticised them for not scoring runs then also. Some of these fans wanted a scapegoat for this match and its Dhoni. Big hitters like Pant and Pandya should have finished the game themselves. They should watch old clips of Yuvi, Raina and Dhoni chasing targets and finishing games for India.

Where did I write it's just on Dhoni. It was on Dhoni but also on Jadhav and Pandya. It wasn't even the approach that was the problem. It's common to keep wickets in hand and have a go in the last 10.
Let's forget Dhoni here and answer this.
Why did they give up at the business end of innings i.e last ten overs when it was very much in their reach. Winning or not winning is another matter, what is your justification for lack of effort?

 

[Captain caveman]

Why are Pakistanis so concerned about this? This was Indian team's prerogative - whether to go for the win or to preserve NRR.

They didn't owe anything to Pakistani team and contrary to what one guy (Captain Caveman) had been shouting everywhere - there is no such rule that a team should aim to win - because it's simply not measurable.

We Indians have no problems with the result, why you are getting your knickers in a twist. Your team is in such a situation because it's not good enough; simple.

Brother let me shout it out LOUDER, you must try and win when you reasonably can! It IS in the rules!
NOT SUGGESTING FOR A MOMENT ANYONE HAS NOT TRIED TO WIN!
Just making a general comment on the rules of odi cricket, not refering to anyone or any team!
Only in tests you can play for a draw!
You are right india don't owes us anything!
I don't wear knickers, i wear boxers and you can't get them in a twist!

See you guys in the semis, some scores will be settled!

 

[Mp812]

come on guys how on earth did they only score 2 runs from Woakes first 5 overs.

that is insulting woakes. he is capable of bowling good

 

[Tapeballcricket]

Brothers, lets just call it a day.

India lost the game to ensure Pak doesn't reach semis. My Indian friend openly said this to me.

All other Indian friends here trying to use other logic are just deluding themselves.

Unfortunately, Pak hatred runs deep in India so not surprised here and it has affected the sport, it shouldn't but it has unfortunately, no bilateral series etc.

For those saying we have ourselves to blame to be in this situation, well life doesn't work that way. You can be the best team and still get knocked out or have a bad day. We are not the best team, but we are a decent team and have a chance at winning the WC too. Our first WC win came about in similar manner too. When we had a better team in 96 and 99, we lost!

Just let it be and move on. If we don't qualify, it's ok, we tried and the team kept the hopes in for us until the last game, so that is more than enough given the circumstances we found ourselves in.

What happened against west indies is not like it has never happened before in the history of cricket. The best teams have bottled it. What matters is how they rose up after defeat to India and Australia. That should be appreciated as I must tell you this, if Indian team of the 90s was in the situation like we were in, they would have never recovered, and that team was better than the team we have today.

Just let it be and move on, appreciate the tournament and close games and if we don't qualify for the semis, hopefully, we will have a chance at kicking all these senior players out and getting younger talent in building up a new team/new culture for the next worldcup following in England's league after 2015 wc.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

that is insulting woakes. he is capable of bowling good

Lol no he's garbage

 

[Mp812]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Pakistan-in-Test-cricket-quot-Saurav-Ganguly

When the same person rated the India team much higher than the Pakistan team, a lot of the same folks who are quoting him as if it was written in stone had their heads spinning. You can't have it both ways

and now suddenly Ganguly is pope of cricket...whatever he says is gospel )

 

[ak619]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Pakistan-in-Test-cricket-quot-Saurav-Ganguly

When the same person rated the India team much higher than the Pakistan team, a lot of the same folks who are quoting him as if it was written in stone had their heads spinning. You can't have it both ways

Interestingly, no one has had the courage to respond to respond to this.

 

[Captain caveman]

Interestingly, no one has had the courage to respond to respond to this.

I did, check the thread properly!

 

[ntomer]

Brother let me shout it out LOUDER, you must try and win when you reasonably can! It IS in the rules!

Please give reference to the aforementioned rule. Mind you, it should be a documented rule.

 

[chuck]

You can just see the difference in the way there are playing today. They are massively talented so it was very surprising to see how they were knocking it down for singles between 45-50 overs.

 

[IMMY69]

As soon as England won the toss and were 100 odd off not many overs I told my mate no way India chasing down England's total...

He argued that India have Sharma and Kohli who can chase down most totals but I countered saying India had four tailenders and once they're 4 or 5 down thats it for them.

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with what Dhoni did. No way were they going to win that game once Sharma and Kohli were out and they maintained their NRR which is understandable.

 

[SaadAliG]

As soon as England won the toss and were 100 odd off not many overs I told my mate no way India chasing down England's total...

He argued that India have Sharma and Kohli who can chase down most totals but I countered saying India had four tailenders and once they're 4 or 5 down thats it for them.

Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with what Dhoni did. No way were they going to win that game once Sharma and Kohli were out and they maintained their NRR which is understandable.

How does seeing out last 5 overs equals better NRR?

 

[IMMY69]

How does seeing out last 5 overs equals better NRR?

Sorry where did I mention that it betters the NRR?

 

[big_gamer007]

All these ex players don't have it in them to speak the truth. Ganguly and Sachin both know dhoni is finished and should have retired few years back but they don't say it straight forward. They need to be bold like Pakistani ex players and speak the truth no need to be politically correct anymore. Enough is enough.

 

[MP2011]

Its not convincing reply.

When you are chasing such a big total , you cannot be playing out Woakes for so many maidens.

Lol, and get back all in hut by 100?

 

[MP2011]

Everyone would have see how 'well' our middle order batted today despite everything going for it. No wonder Kohli and Rohit batted the way they did against England.

 

[sshakir411]

Indian fans after England game: “But but but England bowlers are so good how could the Indian batsmen score 14 of an over” - same team that conceded 348 from Pakistan. Perhaps the mighty Indian batting line up should’ve never let the required rate get to 14.

Indian fans on other days: “Indian batting is deep. 3 dimensional. Rohit and Kohli are the best chasers. Only India can chase 350+“

Truth is the intent to chase down the target was not there from ball 1 and that’s why neutral fans (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc) feel robbed of what was supposed to be the most exciting match-up of the first round this WC. Instead India’s closest game turned out to be against Afghanistan.

Doesn’t add up for me but hey peddle whatever narrative you want.

 

[big_gamer007]

Indian fans after England game: “But but but England bowlers are so good how could the Indian batsmen score 14 of an over” - same team that conceded 348 from Pakistan. Perhaps the mighty Indian batting line up should’ve never let the required rate get to 14.

Indian fans on other days: “Indian batting is deep. 3 dimensional. Rohit and Kohli are the best chasers. Only India can chase 350+“

Truth is the intent to chase down the target was not there from ball 1 and that’s why neutral fans (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc) feel robbed of what was supposed to be the most exciting match-up of the first round this WC. Instead India’s closest game turned out to be against Afghanistan.

Doesn’t add up for me but hey peddle whatever narrative you want.

Which Indian fan said Indian batting is deep? If you interact with Indian fans on YouTube or Facebook then that's different.

But every Indian fan knows how poor our middle order is and how we are a top 3 team. Witt dhawan our we only have 2 batsmen left now.

So only false narrative is the one you are peddling here about Indian fans. You can go read posts on hundreds of threads on PP about Indian batting and middle order .

 

[The_Odd_One]

Dhawan's injury has really hurt India and Rahul has been nothing but a disappointment in this tournament so far. Then they have a middle order with Jadhav, Karthik, and over the hill Dhoni. Even Pandya has not done anything of note so far. Chasing 300+ was always going to be tough for India.

This said, India's biggest worry is Kohli not scoring a single 100 in 7 world cup games so far. India needs Kohli to score match-winning 100s.