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I was wrong.

I argued that Mohammad Amir should make his return in New Zealand in January.

But with the Third Test at Sharjah on a knife edge, let's be brutally frank. You should have picked him against England.

You need runs from your lower order - and he is averaging over 50 with the bat since his comeback. Whereas Rahat will be out straight away tomorrow, and will expose Misbah to the quicks that he just can't play.

And you are going to need to bowl out my England team. And he is your best bowler by far, the only one we truly fear.

His ban ended two months ago. Who are you harming apart from yourselves by not selecting him?
 
Over emotional nations like our suffer massively and this is exactly what our cricket is doing by not selecting Amir...All these news of players not willing to play with him etc should be dealt with and our players should be first to welcome him as we need him in our side. Him and Wahab would be a very useful combination but we are wasting this opportunity due to over emotional nature of our people.
 
Shehryar Khan is busy playing the good chairman in order to satisfy the BIG 3 which means that we won't see Aamir soon.

I wish he was selected for the ODI's. He would have made a world of difference especially with Imad being out as well.
 
Let him play 5 FC matches first. He is not even match fit probably.

And Yasir is our best bowler.
 
In First Class cricket this last week, Amir has 12 wickets in two and a bit innings and has made fifties both times that he has batted - one slow, one quick.

If you lose in Sharjah it will be because you refused to pick the man who is your only world class cricketer.
 
It takes real principles - or stupidity - to risk losing a blue riband series by refusing to pick your best player.
 
Junaids said:
In First Class cricket this last week, Amir has 12 wickets in two and a bit innings and has made fifties both times that he has batted - one slow, one quick.

If you lose in Sharjah it will be because you refused to pick the man who is your only world class cricketer.
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As I predicted he would wreak havoc to the domestic batters in Pak domestic.

Batsmen of this level (FC cricket) aren't challenging M. Aamir. A county or Sheffield Shield season would have been more of a challenge.

Anyway the important thing is that he gets his match fitness back and stays injury free. I hope the PCB don't waste him too long in Pak domestic.
 
You need to give the player a full season before bringing him into the side. How do you even know how fit is he?
 
Sidilicious said:
You need to give the player a full season before bringing him into the side. How do you even know how fit is he?
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He has been playing T20's and FC matches for 7 months now. If he still isn't fit then he'll never be fit.

I just hope he stays injury free toiling in these conditions even though he doesn't have to bowl much considering how great the batsmen at domestic level are.
 
No Amir should play first class and then come back into the team it would be unfair with every domestic player who are working hard but not getting chances
 
Yup lets bring the him back and destabilize team harmony thank you
 
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No He isnt our best bowler by far at mo

Hes not even played any proper first class cricket Lets calm down and let him get some decent cricket under his belt for the first time in 5 years before we rant and rave about bringing him back

This isnt back st cricket, hes not ready for intnl cricket No one would be straightaway aftet 5 years
 
Amir had a chance years ago and blew it. He has no one to blame but himself. Let me put it this way would you trust someone who has wronged you before. Remember guys ICC had also investigated the Asia Cup match against Sri Lanka where we lost despite Sri being 120 odd for 7. They couldn't find sufficient evidence of any wrong doing. I wouldn't want to watch a match in which Amis is bowling why? Because he in a nutshell represents everything that's wrong with this country.

He sold his country for personal gain end of story. He has done his time but does it mean he won't do it again.
 
world cup captain said:
And who is better than him? Any names?
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I know there is no one better than him but still he should not be in the team until unless he play first class full season and prove him self better than any one. I want him in the team too but not like that he need to perform in domestic to silent his critics so that they cannot say "With out performance he was brought back"
 
Hummad Ghori said:
I know there is no one better than him but still he should not be in the team until unless he play first class full season and prove him self better than any one. I want him in the team too but not like that he need to perform in domestic to silent his critics so that they cannot say "With out performance he was brought back"
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First of all, your first post was incorrect as proven by your second post. Now, people will criticize him no matter when he is picked so there isn't a point in waiting. It is obvious that he is the future pacer for Pakistan in all format. So no reason of waiting. Either way, it isn't like we have any better options.
 
world cup captain said:
First of all, your first post was incorrect as proven by your second post. Now, people will criticize him no matter when he is picked so there isn't a point in waiting. It is obvious that he is the future pacer for Pakistan in all format. So no reason of waiting. Either way, it isn't like we have any better options.
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Well I was not trying to prove any thing but was saying it will injustice with other players. I know there no other better bowler because we know how good he was and how good he is but still have to go through proper channel to get back into the team.
 
What was the point pushing so hard to get his domestic ban reduced 7 months before his actual ban. The whole idea was simply to make him ready to play for Pakistan as soon as the ban ends. Now all that effort is laid to waste by hearing waqar say that Amir needs to play 2 seasons before coming back. We have already wasted 2 series without Amir. At least get him back in the LOIs.
 
Hummad Ghori said:
Well I was not trying to prove any thing but was saying it will injustice with other players. I know there no other better bowler because we know how good he was and how good he is but still have to go through proper channel to get back into the team.
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It's a national team. The best players in the country make it, not those who just work hard.
 
I like the fact that we the team is playing and preforming with out Mr Amir,
Sooner or later he will be back but i don't think this gap is anything bad
 
Junaids said:
I was wrong.

I argued that Mohammad Amir should make his return in New Zealand in January.

But with the Third Test at Sharjah on a knife edge, let's be brutally frank. You should have picked him against England.

You need runs from your lower order - and he is averaging over 50 with the bat since his comeback. Whereas Rahat will be out straight away tomorrow, and will expose Misbah to the quicks that he just can't play.

And you are going to need to bowl out my England team. And he is your best bowler by far, the only one we truly fear.

His ban ended two months ago. Who are you harming apart from yourselves by not selecting him?
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True, Amir should be back, Besides Wahab he is the best bowler in Pakistan.

Plus I don't Understand why Rahat Ali has been sent as a Night watchman, he is the # 11. They could have sent someone like Yasir Shah, who can at least stay and bat a bit. Exposing Rahat Ali like that is also an injury risk.
 
Well, sooner or later he will be the part of team. But it's good he is concentrating on his batting, may be he has realized that now adays batting also needed.
 
cricketAXEpert said:
True, Amir should be back, Besides Wahab he is the best bowler in Pakistan.

Plus I don't Understand why Rahat Ali has been sent as a Night watchman, he is the # 11. They could have sent someone like Yasir Shah, who can at least stay and bat a bit. Exposing Rahat Ali like that is also an injury risk.
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Rahat has shown that he has the ability to stick around in previous series..
 
Amir has played ONE FC game since his return.

Those qualifiers don't even have first class official status
 
Has played more than enough cricket to gain match fitness and practice, should have been picked for ODI and T20 series v england. looks like he wont now so should come back in kiwi series away.
 
If he is still our best bowler after not playing for 5 years, then he must be the greatest bowling talent to every grace this planet.
 
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He has the ability to be a genuine all rounder.

Even back in 2010 when he was touring England he showed glimpses of a fine technique and solid defence.
 
Rahat, Wahab, and Imran Khan wouldn't be able to do what he is currently doing in domestic cricket.

Simple as that.

He could replace any one of them with ease.

All of this "he needs at least a season" rubbish is from people who don't want him in the team. He'll do well in a season and they'll say, "he needs to perform in at least two seasons". By the time their standards are met, it'll be time for him to retire. :))

I've been saying he should come back for the NZ series in January and I stick by it. The England series is a bit too early plus he would be a bigger handful on those pitches in NZ.
 
kingusama92 said:
Rahat, Wahab, and Imran Khan wouldn't be able to do what he is currently doing in domestic cricket.

Simple as that.

He could replace any one of them with ease.

All of this "he needs at least a season" rubbish is from people who don't want him in the team. He'll do well in a season and they'll say, "he needs to perform in at least two seasons". By the time their standards are met, it'll be time for him to retire. :))

I've been saying he should come back for the NZ series in January and I stick by it. The England series is a bit too early plus he would be a bigger handful on those pitches in NZ.
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This.

These are 'dramaybaziyan' by some angels here.

People forget that this is Pakistan's national team and it needs to end in the top 8 in order to qualify for the WC.

Maybe invite all the honest lads in your neighborhood for pick-nick if you're that obsessed with a team of angels.
 
I dont want to see him back. Dignity is more important than picking a guy that sold his country. The results since the crook left have been better and at least we can trust the results.
 
liaqat said:
I like the fact that we the team is playing and preforming with out Mr Amir,
Sooner or later he will be back but i don't think this gap is anything bad
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Excuse me? You're on the verge of losing a home Test to England just like you did with NZ a year ago.

As for "he needs to play more First Class cricket to regain match fitness" [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=134408]Sidilicious[/MENTION] , you are aware that he is in his seventh two innings match in two months?

That is as high a physical workload as he will ever face.

To be honest, his ongoing exclusion is basically Contempt of Court: people who don't like the ICC verdict and the end of his ban are trying to Pervert the Course of Justice.
 
dhump said:
Over emotional nations like our suffer massively and this is exactly what our cricket is doing by not selecting Amir...All these news of players not willing to play with him etc should be dealt with and our players should be first to welcome him as we need him in our side. Him and Wahab would be a very useful combination but we are wasting this opportunity due to over emotional nature of our people.
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Prince of Pakistan said:
Shehryar Khan is busy playing the good chairman in order to satisfy the BIG 3 which means that we won't see Aamir soon.

I wish he was selected for the ODI's. He would have made a world of difference especially with Imad being out as well.
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Agree with both.

On the one side, the players are not letting him settle, whilst the pcb is also causing some unnecessary issues and saying "He needs to do this" or "He needs to do that".

He has done his time, has apologised and everyone should move on.
 
its understandable that many honest cricketers in pakistan are reticent about playing with a traitorous, thieving convict, no matter how many runs or wickets he takes. i think waqar is on record for saying that he prioritises teamwork and that he wants to see amir prove himself over a couple of seasons. both fair in my opinion.

two matches is not enough to judge someone by, even leaving aside the fact that he's an untrustworthy criminal in some peoples estimation.
 
just looked at the scorecard for the current game, this is ridiculous. he scored 60 out of an innings of 529, where even the 19 year old rookie usama mir hit 22 off 16 deliveries against the ferocious attack of a bunch of bowlers most of us wouldnt have heard of. and his four wickets? darya khan (the reason you havent heard of him is because hes 19 and is averaging 19 after 22 innings, faisal athar who is 40 and averaging 35 etc. even umar amin is bowling like ambrose against this team.

this is why you dont extrapolate two performances if you have any sense at all.
 
godzilla said:
just looked at the scorecard for the current game, this is ridiculous. he scored 60 out of an innings of 529, where even the 19 year old rookie usama mir hit 22 off 16 deliveries against the ferocious attack of a bunch of bowlers most of us wouldnt have heard of. and his four wickets? darya khan (the reason you havent heard of him is because hes 19 and is averaging 19 after 22 innings, faisal athar who is 40 and averaging 35 etc. even umar amin is bowling like ambrose against this team.

this is why you dont extrapolate two performances if you have any sense at all.
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As I said in my post, why do posters like you do this? Just say you don't want him in the team. I'd respect that far more than this whole skirting around the edges.

This whole "he needs to perform all season" is downright rubbish. The entire domestic circuit is mediocre compared to his talent level. No matter what he does, you can always say the wickets he got were average. The best players are already playing for Pakistan in the UAE.

First it was he is playing "unofficial" matches so they don't count. Now even official matches are being downplayed. Are you guys serious? :)))

Where is he going to face great batsmen when all of them aren't even in Pakistan right now?
 
kingusama92 said:
As I said in my post, why do posters like you do this? Just say you don't want him in the team. I'd respect that far more than this whole skirting around the edges.

This whole "he needs to perform all season" is downright rubbish. The entire domestic circuit is mediocre compared to his talent level. No matter what he does, you can always say the wickets he got were average. The best players are already playing for Pakistan in the UAE.

First it was he is playing "unofficial" matches so they don't count. Now even official matches are being downplayed. Are you guys serious? :)))

Where is he going to face great batsmen when all of them aren't even in Pakistan right now?
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posters "like me" are pointing out the obvious because posters like you seem not to see beyond two centimeters in front of you. the breakdown of the game wasnt to demonstrate that he didnt bowl out amla and root and didnt face steyn when hitting 60, is it was to point out the fallacy of taking TWO GAMES as proof of world supremacy.

the entire domestic circuit is mediocre compared to his talent level? based on what? two games and prehistory? why arent you getting your knickers in a twist about the other bowlers who have done better than he has in round two? or in round one? its because to people like you, performance and team ethics dont have space on your wall besides the fan boy poster. why dont you just say that you want him in the team irrespective of whether it will damage team ethic, and irrespective of whether he has proven he can still perform consistently after being a criminal for five years?
 
godzilla said:
just looked at the scorecard for the current game, this is ridiculous. he scored 60 out of an innings of 529, where even the 19 year old rookie usama mir hit 22 off 16 deliveries against the ferocious attack of a bunch of bowlers most of us wouldnt have heard of. and his four wickets? darya khan (the reason you havent heard of him is because hes 19 and is averaging 19 after 22 innings, faisal athar who is 40 and averaging 35 etc. even umar amin is bowling like ambrose against this team.

this is why you dont extrapolate two performances if you have any sense at all.
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My friend, that is the most misleading post that I have ever read on this forum.

You are saying "discount Amir's 60, because it was on an easy pitch where everyone scored big runs."

Totally untrue.

Only Babar Azam and Amir have even scored 60 runs in this match.

And on this supposedly easy batting track Amir has taken 4-21 to reduce the opposition to 54-7, while Sohail Khan with the same ball in the same innings on the same pitch against the same batsmen is wicketless.

That is why Amir is your only world class player now that Younis is in decline.

And head-to-head Amir has out bowled first Sadaf, now Sohail. Massively.
 
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Junaids said:
My friend, that is the most misleading post that I have ever read on this forum.

You are saying "discount Amir's 60, because it was on an easy pitch where everyone scored big runs."

Totally untrue.

Only Babar Azam and Amir have even scored 60 runs in this match.

And on this supposedly easy batting track Amir has taken 4-21 to reduce the opposition to 54-7, while Sohail Khan with the same ball in the same innings on the same pitch against the same batsmen is wicketless.

That is why Amir is your only world class player now that Younis is in decline.

And head-to-head Amir has out bowled first Sadaf, now Sohail. Massively.
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Yeah a man who hasn't played in 5 years is our only world class player. Its not like we have the 2nd ranked bowler in the whole world at our team.

Or possibly the best batsmen keeper in the world.
 
Junaids said:
My friend, that is the most misleading post that I have ever read on this forum.

You are saying "discount Amir's 60, because it was on an easy pitch where everyone scored big runs."

Totally untrue.

Only Babar Azam and Amir have even scored 60 runs in this match.

And on this supposedly easy batting track Amir has taken 4-21 to reduce the opposition to 54-7, while Sohail Khan with the same ball in the same innings on the same pitch against the same batsmen is wicketless.

That is why Amir is your only world class player now that Younis is in decline.

And head-to-head Amir has out bowled first Sadaf, now Sohail. Massively.
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honestly, how are you even able to type with this degree of hypocrisy?

"that is the most misleading post that I have ever read on this forum"
"Only Babar Azam and Amir have even scored 60 runs in this match."

ali asad 57
saifullah someone or other 55
every batsmen hit double figures and the innings progressed at almost 4rpo.

i think we have very different definitions of misleading.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/quaid-e-azam-2015-16/engine/match/931254.html

amir has taken 8-2-21-4 against a team of nobodies batting up against a mammoth score. yes, he has outperformed sohail coming back from injury who was hardly shabby with his 6-2-7-0 or umar amin with his 5-4-1-1 or tabish with his 8-4-14-1 - the point being that context shows that his performances have been "massivley" exaggerated in terms of their importance. it is one game. just one. a single data point.

if you add the first game, thats two whole data points. two data points mean nothing. if he manages to do this for a number of games, he has a weight of statistical proof behind getting him into the senior squad and that does mean something. but to advocate a fast tracking based on two fc games is asinine.

it is childhood level statistics that would explain that one game may be affected by a deteriorating pitch, or a particularly weak opposition, or luck, etc etc - even if we were to watch the entire match, it is impossible to extrapolate. however, if performance is replicated over a large data set, these one-off exceptions become mitigated, and the numbers grow more dependable and more able to be extrapolated. im not sure why this is so difficult to understand.
 
kingusama92 said:
As I said in my post, why do posters like you do this? Just say you don't want him in the team. I'd respect that far more than this whole skirting around the edges.

This whole "he needs to perform all season" is downright rubbish. The entire domestic circuit is mediocre compared to his talent level. No matter what he does, you can always say the wickets he got were average. The best players are already playing for Pakistan in the UAE.

First it was he is playing "unofficial" matches so they don't count. Now even official matches are being downplayed. Are you guys serious? :)))

Where is he going to face great batsmen when all of them aren't even in Pakistan right now?
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The way Aamir is wreaking havoc in domestic cricket we'll have to import some County/Sheffield Shield level batsmen to satisfy these people.

Oh wait, then they'll say these were alien conditions for the **** world class batters.

Maybe import pitches as well then? :yk
 
godzilla said:
posters "like me" are pointing out the obvious because posters like you seem not to see beyond two centimeters in front of you. the breakdown of the game wasnt to demonstrate that he didnt bowl out amla and root and didnt face steyn when hitting 60, is it was to point out the fallacy of taking TWO GAMES as proof of world supremacy.

the entire domestic circuit is mediocre compared to his talent level? based on what? two games and prehistory? why arent you getting your knickers in a twist about the other bowlers who have done better than he has in round two? or in round one? its because to people like you, performance and team ethics dont have space on your wall besides the fan boy poster. why dont you just say that you want him in the team irrespective of whether it will damage team ethic, and irrespective of whether he has proven he can still perform consistently after being a criminal for five years?
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As I mentioned, just say you don't want to him in the team. What is "perform consistently" anyway? All I hear are moving targets. 1 season? 2 seasons? 10 seasons? He's never going to play again if we keep going like this.

Also, he IS the best player in domestic cricket right now. Just look at the stats. He is averaging 10 with the bowl and 63 with the bat. Add in his performances from the unofficial matches and it becomes a no-brainer. Not to mention his age while dominating. He's only 23.

By the time January comes around, the sample size will increase and I am positive he will still be performing at a higher lever compared to the rest as he has his whole life.

I'm more than happy to say I want the team to win and he's the best fit at this point in time.

As for team ethics, I'd rather see us win than have guys who are nice lead us to losses.
 
[MENTION=3393]godzilla[/MENTION]
There is no reason to think that a top international player who is young and fit needs an extended period of domestic play in order to perform at Test level. Especially a bowler.

Shane Warne was Shane Warne when he returned. Ian Botham was Ian Botham.

In fact, modern Test players almost never play even six two innings matches in a year other than Test matches. And Amir already has.

Amir's case is more analogous to the Italian striker Paulo Rossi when he returned after a two year fixing ban at the 1982 World Cup.

For three games he was not quite right. Then it all clicked, and his ability combined with his freshness after no fatigue for several years propelled his country to their greatest World Cup triumph.
 
Good comparison with Rossi there. The issue is Waqar more than anything else. He gave that '2 seasons' benchmark, which is quite ridiculous.
 
Junaids said:
And on this supposedly easy batting track Amir has taken 4-21 to reduce the opposition to 54-7, while Sohail Khan with the same ball in the same innings on the same pitch against the same batsmen is wicketless.



And head-to-head Amir has out bowled Sohail massively.
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And Sohail in the Second innings with the same ball on the same pitch took 7-33 while Amir remained wicketless

And now Sohail has out bowled Amir massively.
 
kingusama92 said:
As I mentioned, just say you don't want to him in the team. What is "perform consistently" anyway? All I hear are moving targets. 1 season? 2 seasons? 10 seasons? He's never going to play again if we keep going like this.

Also, he IS the best player in domestic cricket right now. Just look at the stats. He is averaging 10 with the bowl and 63 with the bat. Add in his performances from the unofficial matches and it becomes a no-brainer. Not to mention his age while dominating. He's only 23.

By the time January comes around, the sample size will increase and I am positive he will still be performing at a higher lever compared to the rest as he has his whole life.

I'm more than happy to say I want the team to win and he's the best fit at this point in time.

As for team ethics, I'd rather see us win than have guys who are nice lead us to losses.
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jesus, now 'perform consistently' is some nebulous impossible concept? why arent you making a case for sohail khan tobe back given that in this match that means so much to you, he 'massively' outperformed amir? 7 wickets in the second innings and zero for amir - for a team that was bundled out for 70 or so? but no, when the numbers dont stack up, theyre unimportant for you arent they?

to help you through your immense confusion, i think it would be unanimous amongst all cricketing authorities throughout the whole history of time that two games does not constitute enough evidence for 'consistent performance'. if you want to know what the management think, read waqars interview on cricinfo, where he explicitly references two seasons. hope that clears up your confusion, although im not holding my breath.

whether i want him in the team or not is besides the point. ive been very explicit in my opinion on pp about him, for whatever thats worth, but this thread is about extrapolating the information we have on his come back, and thats what im addressing.

i could go on, but clearly its a waste of time; im not surprised that your last comment highlights quite succinctly how we have differing morals.

Junaids said:
[MENTION=3393]godzilla[/MENTION]
There is no reason to think that a top international player who is young and fit needs an extended period of domestic play in order to perform at Test level. Especially a bowler.

Shane Warne was Shane Warne when he returned. Ian Botham was Ian Botham.

In fact, modern Test players almost never play even six two innings matches in a year other than Test matches. And Amir already has.

Amir's case is more analogous to the Italian striker Paulo Rossi when he returned after a two year fixing ban at the 1982 World Cup.

For three games he was not quite right. Then it all clicked, and his ability combined with his freshness after no fatigue for several years propelled his country to their greatest World Cup triumph.
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amir is not botham and he is not warne. he might turn out to be but at this point, it is rank speculation. im not sure where you found the information that he is a 'top international player'. he may have been approaching that five years ago, but it is wishful thinking to assume that five years means nothing.

the whole of your thesis is predicated on pre-judging him as an atg, with very little evidence for it. obviously anyone is free to have an opinion on the future, but to pretend that there is evidence where there isnt any is disingenuous and dishonest.
 
Why dont people judge everyone with the same stick as they judge Amir when it comes to performances?

Imagine if Md Amir is selected without much match practice and he doesn't perform. The same guys advocating for his inclusion will call PCB amateurish.

Amir needs to compared with all the other first class cricketers using the same measures of performance. He should only be brought track into the side if his performance backs it up.

Another point, imagine there is another bowling all-rounder who performs as well as Amir in the domestic tourney and PCB only intend to include one bowler? Which of the 2, amir and the other one should they include? Lets assume they have produced similar results with the ball and bat? The new kid, or Amir?
 
I love the dramatic Junaids.. his good wishes for 'you' are always fun!
 
Sandeep said:
I love the dramatic Junaids.. his good wishes for 'you' are always fun!
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He seems like the kind of friend who goes to UK for vacation for a month and comes back with a British "accent" :yk
 
I don't think Aamir is match fit yet. What [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is saying, may be true but he is missing a key point, probably for the lack of knowledge about PAK's state of the art domestic style.

If anyone notices carefully, should notice that after 3 days, most PAK FC matches have in total about 190, may be 210 overs - that's 60-70 per day. Played at the worst possible season with rain, fog & bad day light; played on absolute sluggish & soft wickets in early winter - it doesn't ask you much physically to bowl 13 overs a day in 3 spells & then bat a bit.

It 'll be a bit different, when Aamir 'll be asked to be in field for almost 400 minutes/day, run hard to bang his front leg on those hard popping crease for 23 overs a day, may be at 35-38C with 80% humidity. In Domestic style, PAK "stars", normally don't bother to field much, they are star, can rest their ass in pavilion after a nice spell or couple of sessions of batting (Inzi's team sometimes fielded with 10 men, when he had hit a hundred) - here umpires 'll not allow Aamir to bowl till he matches those minutes in field, he had been outside, so Captain 'll tell him - well bowl kid, now go to fine leg & keep stressing, I might call once more before tea.

With my little experience, one thing I have learned in my cricket life is that, you shouldn't take the state of the art PAK domestic style seriously - it's a wastage of space & time.
 
OP is going overboard with his love for Amir depicting as if there are know world class cricketers in Pakistan and Amir is the only saviour of Pakistani cricket. Sure the likes of Misbah, Younis, Yasir and Riaz must qualify as world class cricketers.
 
imshally81 said:
I don't think... Amir will get the visa of England.....
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I doubt he will get selected for the England tour considering that was where the sting was arranged in the first place, and considering the media frenzy that would follow his return there. I think that is why Pakistan won't be in with a realistic chance of win in England, the PCB will probably sacrifice the prospect of victory to keep the peace. Rahat nd Imran Khan are decent back up bowlers, but they won't be blowing sides away in England. Amir is a game changer, and the fact that so many Indian supporters are on this thread foaming at the mouth to bad mouth him says it all.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I doubt he will get selected for the England tour considering that was where the sting was arranged in the first place, and considering the media frenzy that would follow his return there. I think that is why Pakistan won't be in with a realistic chance of win in England, the PCB will probably sacrifice the prospect of victory to keep the peace. Rahat nd Imran Khan are decent back up bowlers, but they won't be blowing sides away in England. Amir is a game changer, and the fact that so many Indian supporters are on this thread foaming at the mouth to bad mouth him says it all.
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Well said.

Amir is a game changing bowler. The moral brigade can keep screaming and crying about his past mistakes and that he be now executed but the fact remains you need bowlers like Amir to have even the smallest chance to win away tours in England.

Bowlers like Amir don't grow on trees, yes good bowlers are made but not world class ones like him.

But like you said recent statements seem likely he will not be selected.
 
Junaids said:
I was wrong.

I argued that Mohammad Amir should make his return in New Zealand in January.

But with the Third Test at Sharjah on a knife edge, let's be brutally frank. You should have picked him against England.

You need runs from your lower order - and he is averaging over 50 with the bat since his comeback. Whereas Rahat will be out straight away tomorrow, and will expose Misbah to the quicks that he just can't play.

And you are going to need to bowl out my England team. And he is your best bowler by far, the only one we truly fear.

His ban ended two months ago. Who are you harming apart from yourselves by not selecting him?
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Most likely Amir's career is over. Thanks to our so-called media, formers and PCB top official stuffs
 
Shafi said:
Most likely Amir's career is over. Thanks to our so-called media, formers and PCB top official stuffs
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He'll be back after the England tour. Without him, the Pakistan pace bowling will not have enough firepower to win the series, and that will open the door for his return in a less high profile tour. The PCB would rather lose a series than have any more controversy in England.
 
Bewal Express said:
I dont want to see him back. Dignity is more important than picking a guy that sold his country. The results since the crook left have been better and at least we can trust the results.
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Don't make me laugh. The whole of Pakistan is full of people who 'sell' their country every day, including the muppets who get voted into power again and again. Get him back in the team ASAP.
 
so been 3 years since he's back, has the much awaited return lived up to it's hype?
 
Chokli said:
so been 3 years since he's back, has the much awaited return lived up to it's hype?
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Context.

If people were expecting reincarnation of Marshall or Wasim, then yes, they should be bitterly disappointed because he will NEVER be at that level.

However, he has managed to hold well in important matches and seems a good enough bowler.

Has he lived up to the hype ? No.

Has he lived up to his place in the team ? Yes.
 
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