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Australia captain Tim Paine has been left frustrated by the pitches rolled out for the Border-Gavaskar Test series, declaring that the decks have worked against the hosts.

Australia trails the series 2-1 with a Test to go after being handed a 137-run defeat at the Melbourne Cricket Ground on a pitch that was slow and low across the first two days before opening up.

And worryingly for the Australians, the Sydney Cricket Ground surface is expected to be dry and favour the spinners as well.

“I played on it (the SCG) three or four weeks ago and it spun a little bit,” Paine said on Macquarie Radio. “We’re hearing it is probably going to be a little bit drier than even that, so I’m sure India will be looking really forward to it and that’s been the one disappointing thing.

“We’ve rolled up some wickets that have taken away from our strengths, which is pace and bounce.

“It’s a frustration. You never go to India and get served up green wickets.”

Three Tests into the series, India’s players dominate the run-scoring and wicket-taking charts. Japsrit Bumrah (20 wickets at 14.65) sits atop the wicket-taking chart, while Travis Head (third with 217 runs at 36.16) is the only Australian among the top five run-scorers.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...s/news-story/c67da6df6143c9ec00209a81fffb01f2
 
On a green pitch, we'll run through you. Careful what you wish for, Paine.

Your best shot is to get a lottery dustbowl like Pune 2017 and win the toss first if we're off colour for any reason.
 
Now the temporary Kaptaan is blaming the pitch for their shortcomings??

Aussie selectors should look out for the other options. IMO,Matthew Wade is more capable and an ideal choice for wicket keeper batsman than this imcompetent bell-end.
 
Now the temporary Kaptaan is blaming the pitch for their shortcomings??

Aussie selectors should look out for the other options. IMO,Matthew Wade is more capable and an ideal choice for wicket keeper batsman than this imcompetent bell-end.

Paine s Elite honesty average is better than Wade
 
Great Aus team won their sole test series in India due to Nagpur green pitch.

Having said that, he is right about sluggish pitch. No need to be green, but pitch shouldn't be so sluggish.
 
lol the last test Australia played in India was on a green wicket in Dharmasala.

That said, my rankings on green wickets with lateral swing would be
Eng > Ind = NZ > SA > Pak > Aus
 
Sore loser. These wickets were more disadvantageous to India. If anything Australia can start by benching that cheat over rated Starc who has remotely not even been anything close to the same bowler before sandpaper
 
Great Aus team won their sole test series in India due to Nagpur green pitch.

Having said that, he is right about sluggish pitch. No need to be green, but pitch shouldn't be so sluggish.

The groundsman are not able to that since long time. Pitches in Australia are the flattest and it takes so much effort from fast bowlers to take 20wickets.

Thats why aus fast bowlers are getting injured too often
 
is this another article designed to trick India into selecting 2 spinners on a green mamba?
 
The groundsman are not able to that since long time. Pitches in Australia are the flattest and it takes so much effort from fast bowlers to take 20wickets.

Thats why aus fast bowlers are getting injured too often

Laying out the dulcet drop-in concrete slabs to anoint a Bradman every summer might have something to do with it.
 
lol the last test Australia played in India was on a green wicket in Dharmasala.

That said, my rankings on green wickets with lateral swing would be
Eng > Ind = NZ > SA > Pak > Aus

South Africa has the best bowling conditions for fast bowlers

In England it is the weather mainly that assists pace bowling
 
Laying out the dulcet drop-in concrete slabs to anoint a Bradman every summer might have something to do with it.

Atleast india has rank turners which makes batting a lottery.

Australia has none of the sort. Adelaide at night might be the closest to a bowling pitch in Australia
 
What a sook this guy Paine is? Your batting has failed 5/6 in this series on 'Indian' dustbowls. What would happen to it on 'Australian pitches'?
 
Sore loser. These wickets were more disadvantageous to India. If anything Australia can start by benching that cheat over rated Starc who has remotely not even been anything close to the same bowler before sandpaper

He was reverse swinging like anything with a ball that is hardly 25overs old.

Nothing of the sort is happening right now
 
Aussies called Dharamshala pitch more Australian than Indian.

Too bad they got outbowled by Indian pacers even there. :ssmith
 
To be honest i am thinking that these are best bowling conditions i have seen in Australia in recent yrs. First 2pitches has bounce, pace and this one also has something for bowlers and not a dead track.

Aus fast bowlers bowled poorly in the first dug
 
Sore loser. These wickets were more disadvantageous to India. If anything Australia can start by benching that cheat over rated Starc who has remotely not even been anything close to the same bowler before sandpaper

Great point on Starc....

Batsmen got banned but the real beneficiary is slowly getting exposed
 
Aussies called Dharamshala pitch more Australian than Indian.

Too bad they got outbowled by Indian pacers even there. :ssmith

Indian pacers bamboozled aus batsman particularly in second innings where even Bhuvi was getting so much lift and umesh was also magnificent
 
To be honest i am thinking that these are best bowling conditions i have seen in Australia in recent yrs. First 2pitches has bounce, pace and this one also has something for bowlers and not a dead track.

Aus fast bowlers bowled poorly in the first dug

Good stuff, that. I was fearing we'll get the same pitches as last summer's Ashes where even Shaun and Mitchell Marsh were waltzing their way to pointless 100s in the face of an adoring crowd.
 
As if our fast bowlers and batsmen enjoy playing on this slow UAE style deck with nothing for anyone.
 
Good stuff, that. I was fearing we'll get the same pitches as last summer's Ashes where even Shaun and Mitchell Marsh were waltzing their way to pointless 100s in the face of an adoring crowd.
Compared to indian bowling English bowling doesn't suit Australia conditions at all and moen ali was horrible
 
Good stuff, that. I was fearing we'll get the same pitches as last summer's Ashes where even Shaun and Mitchell Marsh were waltzing their way to pointless 100s in the face of an adoring crowd.

U can think of the quality of the English bowling when mitch marsh of all people is making merry. Inspite of his Bradman like performance in that series he averages less than 25
 
Good stuff, that. I was fearing we'll get the same pitches as last summer's Ashes where even Shaun and Mitchell Marsh were waltzing their way to pointless 100s in the face of an adoring crowd.

That had more to do with the garbage offered up by the English bowling attack than the pitches. Pitches in Australia have been slowing up since the 2014/15 season and this can easily be seen in the run rates of series' played in Australia since then. They have been consistently slower. Flat, fast wickets are atleast batting paradises and you see good strokeplay. Flat, slow wickets offer nothing to anyone. At the rate their wickets are slowing down, Sheikh Zayed and DSC will have competition, in 3 years' time, for the most useless cricket pitches on the planet .
 
His expectation is pitch should be batsmen friendly when Australia bats and bowler friendly when Australia fields :) lol tough pitch to produce.
 
Loving it.

Very satisfying.

Let's make it 3-1 please.
 
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I shudder to think what would have happened if this Australian team were really playing on sub continental pitches. Our pace bowlers have been wrecking havoc, imagine Ashwin, Jaddu, and Kuli coming into play. The Finches and Heads won’t help their team cross more than 70-80 runs a game.

Looks like an elite whinge.

Or in PP style....Aussies phir ro rahe hai! :warne
 
I think in the last 4-5 years down-under this series has featured the most pace friendly pitches, relatively speaking so may be Paine wants even more juice for his quicks. But that would also make Indian quicks more difficult to handle, and their present batsmen are worse than ours.

IMO Australia is best served with those flat concrete slabs they have been laying out in recent years. High scoring tussles where their 'hit the deck hard' type tall quicks and Lyon can combine with scoreboard pressure to force wins.
 
I think in the last 4-5 years down-under this series has featured the most pace friendly pitches, relatively speaking so may be Paine wants even more juice for his quicks. But that would also make Indian quicks more difficult to handle, and their present batsmen are worse than ours.

IMO Australia is best served with those flat concrete slabs they have been laying out in recent years. High scoring tussles where their 'hit the deck hard' type tall quicks and Lyon can combine with scoreboard pressure to force wins.

That worked due to Smith's batting and Starc's "reverse swing".

Their best bet right now is pitches with a lot of bounce but not much lateral movement.
 
I shudder to think what would have happened if this Australian team were really playing on sub continental pitches. Our pace bowlers have been wrecking havoc, imagine Ashwin, Jaddu, and Kuli coming into play. The Finches and Heads won’t help their team cross more than 70-80 runs a game.

Looks like an elite whinge.

Or in PP style....Aussies phir ro rahe hai! :warne

We do it with Kookaburra a ball that we don't use.
 
That worked due to Smith's batting and Starc's "reverse swing".

Their best bet right now is pitches with a lot of bounce but not much lateral movement.

This. What Australia need now is fast and bouncy wickets with little to no lateral movement. Their players r generally good at playing cross batted shot unlike most of the subcontinent players.

Also Smith and Warner should make a comeback. Enough of this sand paper nonsense.
 
This. What Australia need now is fast and bouncy wickets with little to no lateral movement. Their players r generally good at playing cross batted shot unlike most of the subcontinent players.

Also Smith and Warner should make a comeback. Enough of this sand paper nonsense.

What makes you think being punished for cheating is nonsense ?
 
Wish the Aussies had made green wickets for England a year ago.
 
As if the indian seemers are there to field and bat. Seemers have been taking wickets. A green top would just give the seemers more advantage
 
Excuses. This Australian batting lot will get eaten up by this Indian attack on a green pitch. Probably 80 all out.
 
Aussie curators should take note and give us a green mamba at SCG please. Aa proper pacy bouncy track, the one which was promised at Perth but was perhaps at 75% of the expected pace and bounce.
 
He is justified in saying this as Australia should be free to make wickets which suit them, only issue is they also suit India!
 
He is justified in saying this as Australia should be free to make wickets which suit them, only issue is they also suit India!

Well the Perth wicket offered during this series was the bounciest wicket I have seen in Aus over the last 15 odd years, so I am not sure what Paine is complaining about here ? Also you are correct the wickets suiting India as well, I feel had Kohli not been given out over the controversial catch the match might have swung possibly India's way...
 
Well the Perth wicket offered during this series was the bounciest wicket I have seen in Aus over the last 15 odd years, so I am not sure what Paine is complaining about here ? Also you are correct the wickets suiting India as well, I feel had Kohli not been given out over the controversial catch the match might have swung possibly India's way...

Too many ifs and buts. That was out. Period. Now let's focus on the actual subject again.
 
Stand In doesn't seem to understand a simple fact that unless it is another rubbish pitch like perth, where toss basically decided the game given the variable bounce, india will the series. Had they won the toss this game they would have bowled, heck even if they had bowled they would have been bundled for 300 as unlike pujara and kohli none of these aussies have the ability to play long period of time, we would most likely have drawn this game.

Hopefully Captain Clueless does not fall for this nonsense and keeps this 11, only way ashwin should be picked is if we drop rohit, which we all know is not happening.
 
Too many ifs and buts. That was out. Period. Now let's focus on the actual subject again.

That's just 1 if or but. Kohli was not out as the pictures clearly showed, Kumar "can't spot no balls bowled bowled 2 yards from his eyes" Dharmasena suddenly decided he had superhero vision and we were screwed over.
 
Home teams will produce whatever wickets they want. It's upto the away team to adapt. Australia should have produced flat pitches to give their batsmen a chance. Starc ,Cummins ,and Hazelwood will find ways to pick up wickets on flat pitches anyway.
 
Home teams will produce whatever wickets they want. It's upto the away team to adapt. Australia should have produced flat pitches to give their batsmen a chance. Starc ,Cummins ,and Hazelwood will find ways to pick up wickets on flat pitches anyway.

Wouldn't work, their bowling isn't better than India's, our batting on the other hand is much better than their's.
 
Wouldn't work, their bowling isn't better than India's, our batting on the other hand is much better than their's.

I believe their batting could score on flat pitches. If they have runs on the board their bowling attack will cause any batting line up problems.
 
So Paine basically wants flat wickets. Bowling friendly wickets does not suit his team. Flat wickets are fine with India too.
 
I believe their batting could score on flat pitches. If they have runs on the board their bowling attack will cause any batting line up problems.

That assumes they win the toss, we saw what happens when they don't in this game.
 
What makes you think being punished for cheating is nonsense ?

Don't you know? If you are talented, you can cheat all you want.

SCG has not spun a lot in a while now. It has been a road. Hopefully, it is not the case now.
 
Sour grapes coming from Paine.

He’s in a tough position but he knew that when he accepted the job.
 
Fair comments by Paine. Australia has been serving up pitches that don't suit their style.

India prepare rank square turners for both SA and Australia last year. You'd never see a seaming pitch in India for visiting sides.

Having said that, I believe this Australian team might still lose on a green pitch.
 
Paine seems to be in a lot of pain (sic) & unable to accept that his pacers were out-bowled by the Indian pacers on Aussie pitches which probably were probably more seem & bounce friendly than what we have seen in the last couple of years. Adelaide pitch was two-faced, Perth had crazy variable bounce & Melbourne was no spinning track either, but inspite of this the Aussie attack has failed to take 20 Indian wickets & the only place they did, they should thank Lyon for it. Much has been made out of the absence of Smith & Warner, but the real issue that Paine needs to accept is that Starc & Hazelwood have been largely ineffective.
 
Fair comments by Paine. Australia has been serving up pitches that don't suit their style.

India prepare rank square turners for both SA and Australia last year. You'd never see a seaming pitch in India for visiting sides.

Having said that, I believe this Australian team might still lose on a green pitch.


Nagpur pitch which allowed Great Aus team their first series win in India.

"Looks like home, don't it?" said umpire David Shepherd, in his familiar West Country burr, as he surveyed the strip at the Vidarbha Cricket Association ground on the eve of this match. And, indeed, it looked like an old-fashioned English green seamer."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/238049.html

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In the last Aus tour to India,

Dharamsala's pacy pitch set to favour Aussies

Lyon said the bounce on the Dharamsala wicket assisted him. “This pitch is similar to the home wickets in Australia. For me, bounce is my biggest weapon. I backed my skills and enjoyed the challenge of bowling to the best side in their conditions,” he said.


https://www.theroar.com.au/2017/03/22/dharamsalas-pacy-pitch-set-favour-aussies/
 
He does have a point, India wouldnt produce wickets to suite the australians, however I feel that without Smith and Warner Australia would lose regardless of the wicket....saying that australia won a test which is mind boggling with the team they have.
 
Nagpur pitch which allowed Great Aus team their first series win in India.

"Looks like home, don't it?" said umpire David Shepherd, in his familiar West Country burr, as he surveyed the strip at the Vidarbha Cricket Association ground on the eve of this match. And, indeed, it looked like an old-fashioned English green seamer."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/238049.html

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In the last Aus tour to India,

Dharamsala's pacy pitch set to favour Aussies

Lyon said the bounce on the Dharamsala wicket assisted him. “This pitch is similar to the home wickets in Australia. For me, bounce is my biggest weapon. I backed my skills and enjoyed the challenge of bowling to the best side in their conditions,” he said.


https://www.theroar.com.au/2017/03/22/dharamsalas-pacy-pitch-set-favour-aussies/

you are not going to be able to change these perceptions no matter how many facts you dig up. Such is the brainwashing. Repeat a lie thousand times and all that.
 
He does have a point, India wouldnt produce wickets to suite the australians, however I feel that without Smith and Warner Australia would lose regardless of the wicket....saying that australia won a test which is mind boggling with the team they have.

He indeed has made a very valid point. Look at the pitches where the last three tests have been played in this series. Almost all the wickets provided significant assistance to the spinners and ball started to spin even from day two.

Have u ever seen it to happen in Australia before? Even a simple glance at the wicket will tell u how rubbish all of those pitches were. Dry, low, uneven bounce. Seriously?

Did anyone in their right mind ever imagined that a gun barrel straight bowler like Jadeja will take 4/5 wickets in a single test in a place like Australia where legends like murali got smashed around? Something is really fishy about these pitches.
 
Thank God for the first two pitches. If they were like the third one where lyon took 150/1 aus would have been white washed as he was the main bowler in those matches
 
He indeed has made a very valid point. Look at the pitches where the last three tests have been played in this series. Almost all the wickets provided significant assistance to the spinners and ball started to spin even from day two.

Have u ever seen it to happen in Australia before? Even a simple glance at the wicket will tell u how rubbish all of those pitches were. Dry, low, uneven bounce. Seriously?

Did anyone in their right mind ever imagined that a gun barrel straight bowler like Jadeja will take 4/5 wickets in a single test in a place like Australia where legends like murali got smashed around? Something is really fishy about these pitches.

Nothing fishy about these pitches. Its not your regular doctored pitches that BD served to WI (after losing to Zimb) where there was rapid turn from very first ball. That was day light robbery.

The pitches this series has been pretty good and sporting, similar to the sporting wickets India served when Aussies toured last year. Perth pitch was green and had that feeling of old perth wicket in terms of pace and bounce. The only reason Llyon was getting turn because of footmarks created by Mitchel Starc. MCG wickets has always been sluggish and ICC termed it as 'poor' in last Ashes. But this MCG wicket was much better than the Ashes one and not a turner at all. Llyon hardly was effective after bowling so many overs and Jadeja took advantage of the footmarks.

India won the match due to its superior fast bowling and some great reverse swing by Shami. Tim Paine is finding an excuse really.
 
Paine in pain..

Dear Paine, glue some sandpaper to your gloves, that might resolve your bowling issues..
 
Lmao you guys always get wrecked on green wickets, even with Smith and Warner y’all would lose on a green top. What you guys need are flat bouncy wickets. With nothing but bounce in them. Not only does that suit your bowlers but it also gives your batsman a chance to score some runs, as they love playing cross batted shots.
 
We all saw at Newlands what a fantastic side Aussies are against "moving, bouncing ball" lol Reduced to 24/9 in no time. Australia always rolled out Flat tracks and unleashed warner and Smith. Then bowlers will use scoreboard pressure to win. Aussies are worse than Asian teams in moving conditions. Just that they are not given such tracks as it could backfire because of Australian fast bowling.
 
Do you get served Thai noodles when you go to McDonalds ?
 
He does have a point, India wouldnt produce wickets to suite the australians, however I feel that without Smith and Warner Australia would lose regardless of the wicket....saying that australia won a test which is mind boggling with the team they have.

I have a sympathy for the bloke. Australia are at their lowest ever ebb, weakest batting in their long history, and the groundsmen seem to be making wickets to suit the oppo.
 
We all saw at Newlands what a fantastic side Aussies are against "moving, bouncing ball" lol Reduced to 24/9 in no time. Australia always rolled out Flat tracks and unleashed warner and Smith. Then bowlers will use scoreboard pressure to win. Aussies are worse than Asian teams in moving conditions. Just that they are not given such tracks as it could backfire because of Australian fast bowling.

Australian batsmen are great on concrete slabs where they can flat track bully all day long. The moment there is a blade of grass or a cloud in the sky however, it's all over.
 
I have a sympathy for the bloke. Australia are at their lowest ever ebb, weakest batting in their long history, and the groundsmen seem to be making wickets to suit the oppo.

Any kind of wicket is going to suit India more and Australia less because the Aussie batsmen cant handle the Indian bowlers. True, Indian batters will go down too, but I believe the Aussies will have it worse.

Speaking of the pitches, India doesnt produce rank turners. Its a myth now. Most wickets are very sporting and support fast bowlers. Its not for nothing that the Indian fast bowling has improved. Its not 90's anymore.
 
This article seems like a cheap trick to lull India into thinking that Sydney would be a spinning track. India should play the same bowlers that played in Melbourne.
 
I saw some big bash games and the pitches had serious pace and bounce

The first thought that came to my mind was what the hell are the curators doing for the test match. Their best bet to win was to create the fastest and bounciest wickets in Australia in the last 10 years.

As a home side captain I would he seriously ****** at the curators.
 
Any kind of wicket is going to suit India more and Australia less because the Aussie batsmen cant handle the Indian bowlers. True, Indian batters will go down too, but I believe the Aussies will have it worse.

Aussie batters play bounce better than the Indians so they should make bouncy wickets.
 
Nagpur pitch which allowed Great Aus team their first series win in India.

"Looks like home, don't it?" said umpire David Shepherd, in his familiar West Country burr, as he surveyed the strip at the Vidarbha Cricket Association ground on the eve of this match. And, indeed, it looked like an old-fashioned English green seamer."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/wisdenalmanack/content/story/238049.html

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In the last Aus tour to India,

Dharamsala's pacy pitch set to favour Aussies

Lyon said the bounce on the Dharamsala wicket assisted him. “This pitch is similar to the home wickets in Australia. For me, bounce is my biggest weapon. I backed my skills and enjoyed the challenge of bowling to the best side in their conditions,” he said.


https://www.theroar.com.au/2017/03/22/dharamsalas-pacy-pitch-set-favour-aussies/



Regarding the first match, that statement is more pre-match sensationalism than anything else. Look at the scorecard. Australia scored 398 in the first innings and 329-5 in the second. Not a scoreline you see on a typical english "green seamer"

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Same thing again in the secons example. The second match was a typical spinner's wicket where Kuldeep Yadav, Ashwin, Jadeja and Lyon were the main wicket takers. Scored card below.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...india-vs-australia-4th-test-ind-v-aus-2016-17
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Your logic is fundamentally flawed when you point a couple of sensationalist media articles to claim that in India you'd routinely get bouncy pitches.

Take a look at the score cards of every test match during the last two home seasons on indian cricket. And see who were the main wicket takers.
 
Regarding the first match, that statement is more pre-match sensationalism than anything else. Look at the scorecard. Australia scored 398 in the first innings and 329-5 in the second. Not a scoreline you see on a typical english "green seamer"

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Same thing again in the secons example. The second match was a typical spinner's wicket where Kuldeep Yadav, Ashwin, Jadeja and Lyon were the main wicket takers. Scored card below.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...india-vs-australia-4th-test-ind-v-aus-2016-17
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Your logic is fundamentally flawed when you point a couple of sensationalist media articles to claim that in India you'd routinely get bouncy pitches.

Take a look at the score cards of every test match during the last two home seasons on indian cricket. And see who were the main wicket takers.

I don't have any logic here. I happened to actually see that series. If you simply want to use logic to deduce something from score card then here you go.


Nagpur pitch had 3 quality pacers, here are their returns,

Zaheer - 4/95 & 64/2
Gillespie - 56/5 & 24/4
McGratth - 27/3 & 79/2


Nagpur pitch also had 2 gun spinners, here are their returns.

Kumble 99/2 & 89/1
Warne 56/2 & 47/2

Does it look like a pace friendly or spin friendly pitch?

I didn't say that Indians don't produce pitch suited for spinners. They do and they do most of the times. I simply disputed a statement that Indian never give pitch more suited for pacers. Aus series win came on back of one of the most pacers friendly pitch. Very few people talk about it. Without that pitch even great Aus team was not winning a series in India.
 
Aussie batters play bounce better than the Indians so they should make bouncy wickets.

But are they quality batsmen? Indian bowlers are as good as their counterparts. It's not going to be that simple.
 
But are they quality batsmen? Indian bowlers are as good as their counterparts. It's not going to be that simple.

The Aussie batters will have the advantage because they are taught to get on top of the bounce from boyhood. Whereas the Indian batters don’t, and many will will be gloving it to slip and holing out hooking.
 
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