Young Pakistani batsmen never live up to the hype

[Xoib]

Another foreign tour another disappointing display by our supposed next generation stars babar Azam and Sami Aslam both like there predecessors have looked deer in headlights in this series and one can chuck them in to list of past messiahs who were once hailed as future of Pakistan batting.

We just do not have the batting culture to produce young batsmen who can achieve success across the globe.

 

[Slog]

Babar has been disappointing

Worryingly, like all youngsters, he doesn't seem equipped to play long innings

 

[Xoib]

my biggest worry about Babar is his batting vs spin Lyon is giving him so much troubles in not so difficult conditions, nicking off to Hazelwood can happen to most batsman in Australia but if Lyon spins webs around you then I see no future for such a bloke.

 

[Belawal2014]

Frustrating couple of innings by Babar lately..

 

[Snow]

my biggest worry about Babar is his batting vs spin Lyon is giving him so much troubles in not so difficult conditions, nicking off to Hazelwood can happen to most batsman in Australia but if Lyon spins webs around you then I see no future for such a bloke.

Good spinner like Ashwin will make him dance

 

[yusuf.saya]

I agree Babar has been disappointing but still we have no option but to persist with him.. our bench strength hasn't been strong with no likely candidates to replace him. We don't want to go back to the likes of iftikhar ahmed or Kamran akmal now. Especially when Misbah and Younis are reaching the end of their careers.

 

[Xoib]

Good spinner like Ashwin will make him dance

considering his batting vs spin even Jayant Yadav maybe enough for him.

 

[Buffet]

Have some patience with young ones. Give them 4-5 series.

 

[Abdullah719]

So much negativity. Yes, Sami and Babar have been frustrating at times. Not sure what people were expecting from 21-year-olds. We don't have a batting culture comparable to the likes of India, it will take time for our batsmen to adapt to the rigours of international cricket.

We have two bigger liabilities in the team right now, and they are batting at the relatively easier positions in the line-up. Right in the middle-order, once the top three have blunted the new ball. Yet the output from them is non-existent at the moment.

 

[waleed88]

So much negativity. Yes, Sami and Babar have been frustrating at times. Not sure what people were expecting from 21-year-olds. We don't have a batting culture comparable to the likes of India, it will take time for our batsmen to adapt to the rigours of international cricket.

We have two bigger liabilities in the team right now, and they are batting at the relatively easier positions in the line-up. Right in the middle-order, once the top three have blunted the new ball. Yet the output from them is non-existent at the moment.

Its one thing to give them a chance, but a completely different thing to displace a top class batsman like Shafiq, who has served admirably for Pakistan for the last 6 years, in place of Babar Azam who only played his 2nd Test Match for Pakistan.. such discrimination and special status a 21 year old doesn't deserved

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Poor thread. Have to stick with Babar who is easily the best young batsman in the country. Pakistani fans are the worst.

 

[Abdullah719]

Its one thing to give them a chance, but a completely different thing to displace a top class batsman like Shafiq, who has served admirably for Pakistan for the last 6 years, in place of Babar Azam who only played his 2nd Test Match for Pakistan.. such discrimination and special status a 21 year old doesn't deserved

You make it sound as though Babar is being given some kind of an easy pass by being played at #3.

Obviously the management decided that they felt Babar is more suited to the #3 role while Asad is better off in the middle-order.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Asad is not a number 3. He should either play at 4 or 5. Your most dynamic player should bat at 3 and Mickey realizes that. What about the New Zealand tour where Asad failed badly and Babar played an excellent knock.

 

[waleed88]

Asad Shafiq is criminally underrated by his own management, he scored a match winning 100 vs England by playing at no.3.. yet golden boy Babar Azam displaces him after a couple of pairs he got.. (of which one of the pair dismissals came as no.6 batsman)

It doesn't happen anywhere else in the world that your best batsman is being displaced by a novice at Test level..

But does he do? He plays the knock of his life.. isn't that proof enough that Shafiq belongs to number 3?

 

[waleed88]

Asad is not a number 3. He should either play at 4 or 5. Your most dynamic player should bat at 3 and Mickey realizes that. What about the New Zealand tour where Asad failed badly and Babar played an excellent knock.

Babar is a test novice, he doesn't deserve a no.3 position, he is a no.6 batsman through and through with his slogger attitude...

You can't just displace a top test match performer for a batsman who just started his International test match career

 

[Abdullah719]

Babar is a test novice, he doesn't deserve a no.3 position, he is a no.6 batsman through and through with his slogger attitude...

You can't just displace a top test match performer for a batsman who just started his International test match career

Please refer me to the the instances where he has gotten out slogging.

I am waiting.

 

[waleed88]

Azam should be demoted to no.6, no place of slogging in the top 3.. he should play where he belongs so that he can slog it out like Sarfaraz does... no point trying to curb his slogging genes to make a proper batsman out of him.. the guy is headed to the akmal road after playing one blinder in NZ

 

[waleed88]

Please refer me to the the instances where he has gotten out slogging.

I am waiting.

You get out once chasing the ball outside the offstump, but if you do it repeatedly then you aren't cut out for this kind of cricket

 

[waleed88]

Sami Aslam has half the shots as Azam does yet he has still managed to outperform him in most games.. atleast he likes to spend time in middle, Babar seems to be in a hurry

 

[Abdullah719]

You get out once chasing the ball outside the offstump, but if you do it repeatedly then you aren't cut out for this kind of cricket

He didn't get out chasing the ball outside off-stump today. Next.

By the way, driving the ball is not 'slogging'.

 

[Buffet]

You get out once chasing the ball outside the offstump, but if you do it repeatedly then you aren't cut out for this kind of cricket

Chasing outside the offstump is a bad idea early on, but that doesn't translate to slogging in most cases.

 

[waleed88]

He didn't get out chasing the ball outside off-stump today. Next.

By the way, driving the ball is not 'slogging'.

Bird to Babar Azam, FOUR, full, wide outside off, he thinks this is full enough to drive even if not close enough to off. He covers the swing ball, and drives this wide of mid-off

Lyon to Babar Azam, 3 runs, edged. Natural variation there. Nice drift there and Babar is drawn into playing at a wide ball. The ball doesn't turn, and takes the outside edge, wide of the diving Smith at slip

Lyon to Babar Azam, no run, this is a premeditated charge. Lyon sees him come, shortens the length, gets the ball to turn in and hit the inside edge but it falls short of short leg.


Babar was living dangerously, it was only a matter of time before he got out

 

[Abdullah719]

Azam should be demoted to no.6, no place of slogging in the top 3.. he should play where he belongs so that he can slog it out like Sarfaraz does... no point trying to curb his slogging genes to make a proper batsman out of him.. the guy is headed to the akmal road after playing one blinder in NZ

Strange. Most people seem to be in agreement that Asad should stay at #6 for now as that is where he has looked most comfortable.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ntinue-at-number-6-or-bat-higher-up-the-order

https://twitter.com/PakPassion/status/810836639090085888

 

[Slog]

Strange. Most people seem to be in agreement that Asad should stay at #6 for now as that is where he has looked most comfortable.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ntinue-at-number-6-or-bat-higher-up-the-order

https://twitter.com/PakPassion/status/810836639090085888

Asad should play at 4 or 5

See no reason for Misbah to be playing at 5 with those performaces

 

[Abdullah719]

Asad should play at 4 or 5

See no reason for Misbah to be playing at 5 with those performaces

Agree. But I don't see many people pushing for him to be #3.

 

[waleed88]

Now if you're trying to be Shahid Afridi in a Test Match this is what happens..

The above is an example of how you bat against a spinner, when you think its easy pickings but you really don't know how to handle a spinner since you got out to him driving in the previous innings as well

 

[waleed88]

Asad should play at 4 or 5

See no reason for Misbah to be playing at 5 with those performaces

The management decided to play him there and he did good.. better than Azam

 

[JibranAnsari]

Young batsmen need time to adjust themselves at international level and people hype our batsmen like no tomorrow. He is just another batsman struggling to find his feet at international level.

 

[Slog]

Poor thread. Have to stick with Babar who is easily the best young batsman in the country. Pakistani fans are the worst.

first of all we (fans and management) need to make it clear to Babar that he is not a golden boy and will not get that treatment

our experience with Akmal jr was terrible in this regard

 

[Mamoon]

Babar is excellent, but I am not convinced with Sami. Personally, I have already written him off as a Limited Overs player and someone who will be of great use in Tests in UAE conditions.

He is important on away tours though, because he can blunt the new ball. However, you also need to put exert yourself on the opposition later on. I don't think he has the guts to do that, and we cannot afford him to partner Azhar if he intends to continue to bat like that.

 

[Xoib]

Babar is excellent, but I am not convinced with Sami. Personally, I have already written him off as a Limited Overs player and someone who will be of great use in Tests in UAE conditions.

He is important on away tours though, because he can blunt the new ball. However, you also need to put exert yourself on the opposition later on. I don't think he has the guts to do that, and we cannot afford him to partner Azhar if he intends to continue to bat like that.

babar has not been better then Sami in this series both have been rubbish Babar batting vs Lyon is emabrrasing

 

[Slog]

Babar is excellent, but I am not convinced with Sami. Personally, I have already written him off as a Limited Overs player and someone who will be of great use in Tests in UAE conditions.

He is important on away tours though, because he can blunt the new ball. However, you also need to put exert yourself on the opposition later on. I don't think he has the guts to do that, and we cannot afford him to partner Azhar if he intends to continue to bat like that.

Blunting the new ball is fine provided that there is an actual plan. But when your batsmen are still doing the same thing 40 overs in there is a problem

Remember the epic 2nd test match in NZ recently where the Pak batsmen were blunting the new ball for eternity and eventually the second new ball came while they scored at 1.5 an over

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Please refer me to the the instances where he has gotten out slogging.

I am waiting.

He will make anything up that suits his agenda. Only someone biased and ignorant will not agree with the fact that Babar is a quality prospect and deserves a long run in all formats. He will cement his place at 3 in all formats. I'll quote this post in 2 years. Don't understand what some fans want.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

first of all we (fans and management) need to make it clear to Babar that he is not a golden boy and will not get that treatment

our experience with Akmal jr was terrible in this regard

Umar Akmal was never treated like a golden boy. More like the opposite. And based on what we've seen thus far of Babar and Aslam, he easily outperformed them in NZ and Aus.

 

[Slog]

Umar Akmal was never treated like a golden boy. More like the opposite. And based on what we've seen thus far of Babar and Aslam, he easily outperformed them in NZ and Aus.

He got a free ride in LO teams for 5 years

 

[Mamoon]

babar has not been better then Sami in this series both have been rubbish Babar batting vs Lyon is emabrrasing

He has not played any substantial innings so far, but when you watch Babar bat, you can see that he is a quality young batsman who needs to be refined.

One thing that has impressed me in all of his innings has been his strike rotation and the way he has negated Starc. Strike rotation is always key in judging young batsmen because it is the single most important skill of a batsman. Unlike his cousin, he isn't prone to rush of blood either and has already scored more ODI hundreds than he has in his whole career.

His only problem at the moment is his desire to put bat on ball. It is a temperamental issue and nothing that cannot be worked on. Even a player of Kohli's class struggled with it in Test cricket for 5 years. Joe Root still struggles with it and Smith is prone to it as well. A lot of young batsmen have this problem.

I'd give Babar 3-4 years at number 3 without putting the axe on his head. Let him develop and flourish. There is no better batting prospect in the country.

If after all this investment he doesn't live up to the expectations, then it won't be the first time for Pakistan and you move on to the next one.

However, if I could choose between Babar and Sami and decide on which player to invest in, I would go with Babar 10/10 times.

 

[JaDed]

Babar is good ,needs to be pushed a little,Sami for now looks not sure at the crease.

 

[Mamoon]

He got a free ride in LO teams for 5 years

That is a bit harsh. Umar is still a top T20 batsman and the 2016 World T20 was his first genuine failure in this format. In ODIs, he was our best batsman from 2010-2013 but it went downhill from 2014 onwards.

At one point, he was averaging almost 40 at a SR of close to 90. That is too good for our batting standards. However, his decline is primarily down to his own deficiencies and had nothing to do with his batting position as his fans will make you believe.

He wouldn't have learned to bat like Kohli, Root, Smith etc. if he would have been given a place in the top 4.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

He got a free ride in LO teams for 5 years

Not true.

And on top of that, he was also told he had to become a wicket-keeper to get a place in the 11.

And he was unfairly dropped from the test team as well.

An example of being treated like a goldenboy is Asad Shafiq.

 

[leatherface58]

Give them 2-3 series. Nair failed in his first two tests and got a triple in his third. A TRIPLE!

These are your future and you need to be patient with them. Azam has technical issues but nothing that cannot be worked on and improved. Dropping him now will only result in denting his confidence and hurting his career.

 

[JibranAnsari]

He needs to be given some chances ,he bats like a batsman.

 

[Slog]

Not true.

And on top of that, he was also told he had to become a wicket-keeper to get a place in the 11.

And he was unfairly dropped from the test team as well.

An example of being treated like a goldenboy is Asad Shafiq.

unfairly dropped. LOL!

He did nothing in 6 tests he played in england in 2010 and then failed again when he played Zimbabwe.

 

[Slog]

Umar Akmal's whole test record (mediocre one at that) rests on his debut century in NZ which looks more and more like a fluke every passing day.

 

[Mamoon]

That hundred in NZ was certainly flukey. He didn't have the defensive technique to cope with a rampant Bond and went hard at every delivery. The Small Dunedin boundaries favored him and NZ fielders helped him as well.

Luck was with him that day. Babar's 90* at Hamilton was a much more impressive innings.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Umar Akmal's whole test record (mediocre one at that) rests on his debut century in NZ which looks more and more like a fluke every passing day.

What about his second innings 75? And his 46 and 52 in the second test? also a fluke? You really have no clue.

 

[Slog]

What about his second innings 75? And his 46 and 52 in the second test? also a fluke? You really have no clue.

Yes that seems to be flukey

Its hilarious that in top 4 scores of his career, 3 were in the first three innings

 

[Mamoon]

You don't know very much, do you? And very excitable.

The series before Zimbabwe (where he only got one hit with the bat) was against WI, where he was the second best Pak batsman, averaging 41.50. You don't drop someone based on one bad innings against Zim.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...wling_by_team.html?id=6343;team=7;type=series

As far as England, that was a difficult tour for many Pak batsmen. Akmal was still one of the better Pak batsmen on that tour:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/engla...wling_by_team.html?id=5506;team=7;type=series

As far as ODIs, I take it you acknowledge your were wrong since you didn't bring it up. In any case, for a lot of the time that Akmal played ODIs, he was our highest ranked batsman.

Purely based on numbers, I agree that he did not deserve to be dropped, even though his average was sliding rapidly.

However, it was his mode of dismissals that sealed the fate. The ridiculous slog against Botha in Abu Dhabi when he had just arrived at the crease pretty much sealed his fate as a Test cricketer as long as Misbah was the skipper.

 

[Slog]

You don't know very much, do you? And very excitable.

The series before Zimbabwe (where he only got one hit with the bat) was against WI, where he was the second best Pak batsman, averaging 41.50. You don't drop someone based on one bad innings against Zim.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...wling_by_team.html?id=6343;team=7;type=series

As far as England, that was a difficult tour for many Pak batsmen. Akmal was still one of the better Pak batsmen on that tour:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/engla...wling_by_team.html?id=5506;team=7;type=series

As far as ODIs, I take it you acknowledge your were wrong since you didn't bring it up. In any case, for a lot of the time that Akmal played ODIs, he was our highest ranked batsman.

Akmal being better compared to other batsmen in some statistics doesnt mean much in a line up such as Pakistan's. His average is 30 because he scored a not out 79 in a match no one cared about due to spot fixing saga. He was averaging 20 otherwise

Seems smilarly ignorant and laughable logic which Shehzad fans use when they say Shehzad was the second best batsman in the WC 2015

 

[JibranAnsari]

Umar Akmal never had a mind of a batsman , he never knew how to construct an innings. He bats like a tape ball player , wants to hit boundary on every delivery and that too to the cow corner.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Purely based on numbers, I agree that he did not deserve to be dropped, even though his average was sliding rapidly.

However, it was his mode of dismissals that sealed the fate. The ridiculous slog against Botha in Abu Dhabi when he had just arrived at the crease pretty much sealed his fate as a Test cricketer as long as Misbah was the skipper.

The key being, Misbah as skipper. Misbah if I recall correctly also dropped Akmal from his domestic first class team at one time.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Purely based on numbers, I agree that he did not deserve to be dropped, even though his average was sliding rapidly.

However, it was his mode of dismissals that sealed the fate. The ridiculous slog against Botha in Abu Dhabi when he had just arrived at the crease pretty much sealed his fate as a Test cricketer as long as Misbah was the skipper.

That was a ridiculous shot but he made it back in the west indies tour and failed to score big albeit in a low scoring series. It was unfortunate but everyone saw it coming that he would be dropped after he got out on a pull shot which hit the short leg fielder and lobbed up in the air.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

The key being, Misbah as skipper. Misbah if I recall correctly also dropped Akmal from his domestic first class team at one time.

So you're excusing the slog while blaming Misbah?

Easy enough.

Blame anyone but Akmal and pretend he was some world beater that everyone conspired to bring down.

You must love Kamran Akmal too for that matter.

 

[MMHS]

You don't know very much, do you? And very excitable.

The series before Zimbabwe (where he only got one hit with the bat) was against WI, where he was the second best Pak batsman, averaging 41.50. You don't drop someone based on one bad innings against Zim.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...wling_by_team.html?id=6343;team=7;type=series

As far as England, that was a difficult tour for many Pak batsmen. Akmal was still one of the better Pak batsmen on that tour:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/engla...wling_by_team.html?id=5506;team=7;type=series

As far as ODIs, I take it you acknowledge your were wrong since you didn't bring it up. In any case, for a lot of the time that Akmal played ODIs, he was our highest ranked batsman.

Umar actually was the best player of that England tour. Haider was one innings wonder, while Gul's average was higher because of not outs.

Personally, I think Umar was targeted to be dropped from the Test team as the concept then was to find solid batsmen, who would stick to wicket - he only helped that cause by his last over dismissal in ZIM to a stunner.

 

[Slog]

That was a ridiculous shot but he made it back in the west indies tour and failed to score big albeit in a low scoring series. It was unfortunate but everyone saw it coming that he would be dropped after he got out on a pull shot which hit the short leg fielder and lobbed up in the air.

the fact is that if you take out his debut match he averages a pathetic 30.

And that too includes the 79* tullay baazi in a match no one wanted to play due to spot fixing.

And since his initial dropping in 2010 he had scored ONE century in five years of FC cricket till this season

 

[Mamoon]

That was a ridiculous shot but he made it back in the west indies tour and failed to score big albeit in a low scoring series. It was unfortunate but everyone saw it coming that he would be dropped after he got out on a pull shot which hit the short leg fielder and lobbed up in the air.

Yeah, but at that time I predicted that he will not last long in Tests. He was basically hanging by a thread after that dismissal and needed some big innings to save his career which he could not produce.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Umar actually was the best player of that England tour. Haider was one innings wonder, while Gul's average was higher because of not outs.

Personally, I think Umar was targeted to be dropped from the Test team as the concept then was to find solid batsmen, who would stick to wicket - he only helped that cause by his last over dismissal in ZIM to a stunner.

Akmal was the best player? His only big innings came in his last innings when england didnt care much. Apart from that he was abysmal.

 

[Slog]

Umar actually was the best player of that England tour. Haider was one innings wonder, while Gul's average was higher because of not outs.

Personally, I think Umar was targeted to be dropped from the Test team as the concept then was to find solid batsmen, who would stick to wicket - he only helped that cause by his last over dismissal in ZIM to a stunner.

He averaged 21 till the final innings of that tour

And for good reasons (mainly no one caring due to spot fixing issue coming to light), the final innings shouldnt be taken into account

 

[Dr_Bassim]

the fact is that if you take out his debut match he averages a pathetic 30.

And that too includes the 79* tullay baazi in a match no one wanted to play due to spot fixing.

And since his initial dropping in 2010 he had scored ONE century in five years of FC cricket till this season

The more I hear of this, the more I am inclined to believe, he got very lucky with that century against Bond when all his hoicks and cuts came off.

On another day, he would have departed for 30 odd and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[kingusama92]

I wouldn't place the blame on their shoulders. Babar and Sami are wonderful prospects.

They'll take time to adjust as they're still learning how to play the game and maximize their talent. I have no doubt Babar Azam will be a mainstay in this team. His technique is fantastic and flailing outside the offstump is a youthful mistake and many young batsmen make such errors in judgment.

The seniors have to put up their hand (YK and Misbah) and they aren't.

 

[JibranAnsari]

the fact is that if you take out his debut match he averages a pathetic 30.

And that too includes the 79* tullay baazi in a match no one wanted to play due to spot fixing.

And since his initial dropping in 2010 he had scored ONE century in five years of FC cricket till this season

Yah he was rightfully dropped.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Apart from that Umar Akmal hasn't really tried to get back into the test team , the media statements about desire to play test cricket isnt enough. This years quaide azam trophy was really really important for him as end is nigh for both yk and misbah but akmal chose to play in the BPL instead. Unfortunately domestic cricket is the only way he could make it back to test cricket and didn't play it.

 

[MMHS]

Akmal was the best player? His only big innings came in his last innings when england didnt care much. Apart from that he was abysmal.

Everyone was abysmal in that tour - but, he did play well in the Test PAK won at Oval. Missed a big one in 1st innings for run out & remained not out for almost an hour to a difficult chase. PAK's batting talent is not rich enough to keep Umar Akmal out of ODI side for a year & Test side for 4 years. We are impressed with Sami Aslam, who is averaging 30+ at 35 SR - that too mostly because of WI tour in UAE - bench mark is not that high to be honest.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Everyone was abysmal in that tour - but, he did play well in the Test PAK won at Oval. Missed a big one in 1st innings for run out & remained not out for almost an hour to a difficult chase. PAK's batting talent is not rich enough to keep Umar Akmal out of ODI side for a year & Test side for 4 years. We are impressed with Sami Aslam, who is averaging 30+ at 35 SR - that too mostly because of WI tour in UAE - bench mark is not that high to be honest.

How is he going to make it back to test cricket by missing the whole season of FC cricket?

 

[Mamoon]

MoYo and Azhar were the most impressive Pakistani batsmen in that England series, without looking at stats.

 

[MMHS]

How is he going to make it back to test cricket by missing the whole season of FC cricket?

That's true, no way he should be in Test team for perceived Hollywood figures like 80 at Gabba & 89 at MCG. My point was regarding his drop from Test team, which was a bit harsh, but drop from ODI team is unexplainable.

 

[waleed88]

He will make anything up that suits his agenda. Only someone biased and ignorant will not agree with the fact that Babar is a quality prospect and deserves a long run in all formats. He will cement his place at 3 in all formats. I'll quote this post in 2 years. Don't understand what some fans want.

Apparently prospect is enough to displace a proven test match player with centuries in all 4 cricket playing continents.. we are a gloriously delusional bunch of people, us Pakistanis

 

[Madplayer]

Asad should not bat at 3. He just doesnt have the game for that position. Babar is the long term number 3 batsman and he should be persisted with.

He is still new at this level and should be persisted with.

 

[Junaids]

Babar Azam has more runs and a higher average than Younis and Misbah combined these last four Tests Down Under.

And Sami Aslam is not far behind.

 

[New Yorker]

He will make anything up that suits his agenda. Only someone biased and ignorant will not agree with the fact that Babar is a quality prospect and deserves a long run in all formats. He will cement his place at 3 in all formats. I'll quote this post in 2 years. Don't understand what some fans want.

Agreed he's a good long-term prospect, and that he should get a decent run.
Ie I am not arguing he should be dropped now.

But no one can have an infinite number of chances. (unless they are Rahat (another indisputable talent btw, who looks great but never does as well as expected))

So how many Test should he get to prove himself?

 

[waleed88]

Babar Azam has more runs and a higher average than Younis and Misbah combined these last four Tests Down Under.

And Sami Aslam is not far behind.

4? Talk about exaggeration

 

[Junaids]

4? Talk about exaggeration

It's a fact.

In NZ and Australia this tour:

Babar 198 runs
Younis 102 runs
Misbah 64 runs

Babar averages 33.00
Younis averages 14.57
Misbah averages 12.80

However you slice and dice it....

Babar Azam > Misbah + Younis

 

[waleed88]

I like how the word 'long term prospect' is profusely used to define a certain 'special' player, which gives them a certificate to perform the way they want with no accountability for it...
This takes me back to 92 and how Inzamam was deemed special by Imran Khan, his One Day perforamnces in WC was used to induce him into the Test match side.. which gave him a certificate to play the way he wants in the team, and was an utter failiure against England in Test Matches.. Asif Mujtaba and Shoaib Mohammad performed much better than him but both of them got ousted for one IK's favorite sons

Apparently 3 100's vs WI in UAE, is now criteria for 'special player' status.. it doesn't matter how old you are, or what experience you have of playing International cricket.. you get this status if you can play flashy cover drives and play 'aggressively', and you will continue to have that free ride despite others performing better than you
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Like Junaids said, one knock makes Babar better than Misbah+Younis... incredible )

 

[waleed88]

Agreed he's a good long-term prospect, and that he should get a decent run.
Ie I am not arguing he should be dropped now.

But no one can have an infinite number of chances. (unless they are Rahat (another indisputable talent btw, who looks great but never does as well as expected))

So how many Test should he get to prove himself?

The description fits Amir much better actually.. no 5'fers in any format since comeback

 

[Junaids]

I like how the word 'long term prospect' is profusely used to define a certain 'special' player, which gives them a certificate to perform the way they want with no accountability for it...
This takes me back to 92 and how Inzamam was deemed special by Imran Khan, his One Day perforamnces in WC was used to induce him into the Test match side.. which gave him a certificate to play the way he wants in the team, and was an utter failiure against England in Test Matches.. Asif Mujtaba and Shoaib Mohammad performed much better than him but both of them got ousted for one IK's favorite sons

Apparently 3 100's vs WI in UAE, is now criteria for 'special player' status.. it doesn't matter how old you are, or what experience you have of playing International cricket.. you get this status if you can play flashy cover drives and play 'aggressively', and you will continue to have that free ride despite others performing better than you
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Read my post above.

I don't dispute that a decade ago Younis was better than Babar is now. But so was Ricky Ponting.

The fact is, Younis and Misbah are too old to play in the Southern Hemisphere. They already were in South Africa four years ago.

And now Babar Azam is better than Misbah and Younis combined when the team sets foot outside Asia.

He is not the finished article. Mainly because they robbed him of 14 Tests after his breakthrough century v Australia two years ago.

But the numbers show that currently even Sami Aslam contributes roughly as much as Misbah and Younis combined.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]

Just look at how the Aussies celebrate each wicket.

They barely celebrate getting Younis and Misbah but they go ballistic when they remove Babar.

Firstly, because Younis and Misbah look like getting out almost every ball.

But also because they know that a session of Babar can take away the match.

 

[waleed88]

[MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]

Just look at how the Aussies celebrate each wicket.

They barely celebrate getting Younis and Misbah but they go ballistic when they remove Babar.

Firstly, because Younis and Misbah look like getting out almost every ball.

But also because they know that a session of Babar can take away the match.

So now celebration is a criteria for the player being better.. that's a first

 

[Junaids]

So now celebration is a criteria for the player being better.. that's a first

It's a reflection that the Aussies know that Younis and Misbah are complete has-beens, as proved by this tour's Test averages.....

1. Azhar Ali: 247 runs, average 41.17
2. Asad Shafiq: 199 runs, average 33.17
3. Babar Azam: 198 runs, average 33.00
4. Sami Aslam: 168 runs average 24.00
5. Younis Khan: 102 runs, average 14.57
6. Misbah: 64 runs, average 12.80

It ain't exactly a small tour sample. This is already the fourth Test of it!

 

[petercat]

Players should not be judged on such small sample.Shouldnot be hyped or treated as a failure.

 

[waleed88]

It's a reflection that the Aussies know that Younis and Misbah are complete has-beens, as proved by this tour's Test averages.....

1. Azhar Ali: 247 runs, average 41.17
2. Asad Shafiq: 199 runs, average 33.17
3. Babar Azam: 198 runs, average 33.00
4. Sami Aslam: 168 runs average 24.00
5. Younis Khan: 102 runs, average 14.57
6. Misbah: 64 runs, average 12.80

It ain't exactly a small tour sample. This is already the fourth Test of it!

Not gonna complain about Misbah and Younis being over the hill becuase they are.. However what's ridiculous is you even have the thought of comparing Misbah and YK to Babar Azam.. 4 test novice.. seriously?? Don't flatter yourself

 

[Junaids]

Apparently 3 100's vs WI in UAE, is now criteria for 'special player' status.. it doesn't matter how old you are, or what experience you have of playing International cricket.. you get this status if you can play flashy cover drives and play 'aggressively', and you will continue to have that free ride despite others performing better than you
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Like Junaids said, one knock makes Babar better than Misbah+Younis... incredible )

Your "one knock" theory is actually all that Younis delivered in 6 innings in South Africa in 2012-13 and in 7 innings in England in 2016.

The old men can't deliver any consistency outside Asia any more. And they already had lost it four years ago.