Young Pakistani batsmen never live up to the hype

[waleed88]

Your "one knock" theory is actually all that Younis delivered in 6 innings in South Africa in 2012-13 and in 7 innings in England in 2016.

The old men can't deliver any consistency outside Asia any more. And they already had lost it four years ago.

I guess the only thing left now to do is to hide special Babar behind YK and Misbah in hope that he scores a few runs and saves the blushes of the management who are adamant to call him next Kohli after just one 90 odd, just like Inzamam was back in 92 vs England

 

[Junaids]

Not gonna complain about Misbah and Younis being over the hill becuase they are.. However what's ridiculous is you even have the thought of comparing Misbah and YK to Babar Azam.. 4 test novice.. seriously?? Don't flatter yourself

I happen to agree.

But this should be Babar's 18th Test and Sami Aslam's 16th.

Instead they have been brought here to Australia as rookies because Hafeez, Younis and Misbah were allowed to select themselves for as long as they wanted instead of there being tough decisions taken by the selectors to groom a team for this tour.

 

[Moiza]

It's a fact.

In NZ and Australia this tour:

Babar 198 runs
Younis 102 runs
Misbah 64 runs

Babar averages 33.00
Younis averages 14.57
Misbah averages 12.80

However you slice and dice it....

Babar Azam > Misbah + Younis

But he is not 35+ which automatically makes him a bad batsman compared to the "veterans" who score big once every 4 matches.

 

[waleed88]

Your "one knock" theory is actually all that Younis delivered in 6 innings in South Africa in 2012-13 and in 7 innings in England in 2016.

The old men can't deliver any consistency outside Asia any more. And they already had lost it four years ago.

Your theory was proven bust back against England where you said we won't last 3 days against them in English conditions and you made multiple threads to prove your point.. then you delve into stats to mention that they failed against an SA attack ignoring that Misbah has a few decent scores there while YK had a 100.. then you also kept mentioning YK's failiure in 11 innings out of 12 in England, while you consistently like to polish ordinary 20s and 30s by Babar as something extraordinary (YK got a couple 30s in there too vs Eng) Also whats pretty ignorant in your assessment was how good was SA's attack 4 years ago and they were probably no.1

Apparently Salman Butt and Umar Akmal are the only one equipped to play in Test Matches

 

[Junaids]

But he is not 35+ which automatically makes him a bad batsman compared to the "veterans" who score big once every 4 matches.

For me, I will keep picking a batsman who is 22 years and 2 months old if he is averaging 33 on this tour.

I will only pick batsmen aged over 35 until they stop delivering a score of 50+ every third innings. The moment they do, they're gone.

 

[waleed88]

But he is not 35+ which automatically makes him a bad batsman compared to the "veterans" who score big once every 4 matches.

But 'equal to Kohli' Azam is indispensable as no.3 just how Mohammad Amir is, despite being absent and not having 1 match winning performance to boast of (in any format).. just because 'he's the future'

 

[waleed88]

For me, I will keep picking a batsman who is 22 years and 2 months old if he is averaging 33 on this tour.

I will only pick batsmen aged over 35 until they stop delivering a score of 50+ every third innings. The moment they do, they're gone.

Yess yess, his 20's and 30's have more glossier air than Misbah and Younis's pedestrian looking batting styles.. failing to look at the intiial comparison I made between Shafiq and Azam (which was the content of my debate).. who's is rightfully our no.3 batsman, wants to play there too.. but special babar with his special 20s and 30s has more 'flare' in his approach

 

[Junaids]

Your theory was proven bust back against England where you said we won't last 3 days against them in English conditions and you made multiple threads to prove your point.. then you delve into stats to mention that they failed against an SA attack ignoring that Misbah has a few decent scores there while YK had a 100.. then you also kept mentioning YK's failiure in 11 innings out of 12 in England, while you consistently like to polish ordinary 20s and 30s by Babar as something extraordinary (YK got a couple 30s in there too vs Eng) Also whats pretty ignorant in your assessment was how good was SA's attack 4 years ago and they were probably no.1

Apparently Salman Butt and Umar Akmal are the only one equipped to play in Test Matches

I keep writing that having missed this tour I wouldn't pick Salman Butt either. I consider him too short-term a prospect and I'd rather pick Imam-ul-Haq and groom him.

I think it's unbelievably grandiose to think that Younis and Misbah are better in Australian conditions at 42-43 than guys the same age like Tendulkar, Vaughan, Ponting or Kallis.

And how have I been exposed? Doesn't a 22 year old get allowances for inexperience?

 

[Moiza]

But 'equal to Kohli' Azam is indispensable as no.3 just how Mohammad Amir is, despite being absent and not having 1 match winning performance to boast of (in any format).. just because 'he's the future'

So you expect a batsman to make back to back centuries within a few matches of making his debut? Up to this point babar has looked the best among all our batters. The confidence against the pacers is just amazing.

There was talk about babar being Umar bhai after the England tour because he couldnt convert his starts into centuries but in the span of just a few matches he scored 3. So give him time, he'll definitely come good. I'd be more concerned about kicking Younis out of the team because he is at the end of his career and is still somehow managing to find stupid ways to get out.

 

[Junaids]

Its one thing to give them a chance, but a completely different thing to displace a top class batsman like Shafiq, who has served admirably for Pakistan for the last 6 years, in place of Babar Azam who only played his 2nd Test Match for Pakistan.. such discrimination and special status a 21 year old doesn't deserved

On this tour in four Tests:

Babar Azam has 198 runs at 33.00.

Asad Shafiq has 199 runs at 33.17.

I like them both, but I'm sick of this seniority nonsense. It has no place in international sport.

There is one run difference between the pair of them. One run!

Personally I'd play Azhar Ali at 3, Babar Azam at 4 and Asad Shafiq at 5 anyway.

 

[waleed88]

So you expect a batsman to make back to back centuries within a few matches of making his debut? Up to this point babar has looked the best among all our batters. The confidence against the pacers is just amazing.

There was talk about babar being Umar bhai after the England tour because he couldnt convert his starts into centuries but in the span of just a few matches he scored 3. So give him time, he'll definitely come good. I'd be more concerned about kicking Younis out of the team because he is at the end of his career and is still somehow managing to find stupid ways to get out.

Precisely what I mean when I say Babar Azam is not ready at all.. infact he should be demoted to no.6 or Nawaz be played in his place, since atleast Nawaz can score the same 20-30 runs but can bowl a few overs as well.. whereas Shafiq is a bonafide Test Match player with credentials that suit a no.3 batsman

Trying to be a daredevil against pacers doesnot make you a good batsman, if that was the case Umar Akmal would be playing with us right now...

Not to mention he was living dangerously in this innings could've gotten out to Lyon or Bird

 

[waleed88]

On this tour in four Tests:

Babar Azam has 198 runs at 33.00.

Asad Shafiq has 199 runs at 33.17.

I like them both, but I'm sick of this seniority nonsense. It has no place in international sport.

There is one run difference between the pair of them. One run!

Personally I'd play Azhar Ali at 3, Babar Azam at 4 and Asad Shafiq at 5 anyway.

Shafiq averaged in his 40s as a no.3 batsman.. don't compare no.6 of Shafiq to no.3 of Babar

 

[waleed88]

I keep writing that having missed this tour I wouldn't pick Salman Butt either. I consider him too short-term a prospect and I'd rather pick Imam-ul-Haq and groom him.

I think it's unbelievably grandiose to think that Younis and Misbah are better in Australian conditions at 42-43 than guys the same age like Tendulkar, Vaughan, Ponting or Kallis.

And how have I been exposed? Doesn't a 22 year old get allowances for inexperience?

He gets no allowance because he is not playing in his gully league, he is playing for Pakistan.. he should be demoted to no.6 because this sort of irresponsibility doesn't suit a no.3 batsman, who is usually the best in your side... Right now that is Asad Shafiq..

Secondly people who say Asad Shafiq is too slow for a no.3 forget that Johnathan Trott for England was a similar no.3 batsman who ground out an innings instead of trying to take on the opposition

 

[jusarrived]

To drop these guys without giving a good run of at least 10 test matches would be unfair . These youngsters should have been brought into the team much before when Pak was playing non stop at home , would have given them opportunity to get some big scores and gain confidence before they play overseas . Had they failed then , its ok to raise questions on their ability . if anything they need to drop the seniors who continue to fail . The likes of Asad and Azhar need to step up and be a little more consistent than they have been , Pak has invested heavily on them and they need to deliver . YK and Misbah should have been phased out 2 years back imo .

 

[wasimjunior]

He didn't get out chasing the ball outside off-stump today. Next.

By the way, driving the ball is not 'slogging'.

Babar is pretty loose for someone so correct.

 

[Haz95]

The difference between defending someone like Babar is that he's yet to reach his ceiling as he's young and his modes of dismissal can only be rectified by having as much time out on the crease. On the other hand the oldies failing really just denotes that they're past it and improving from here on would be extremely unlikely.

 

[in_cutter]

Then don't hype them up in the first place? Pakistani fans are quick to hype youngsters & as quick to bash them.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Babar is in his first tour of NZ and Australia. I would not write anyone off on their first tour, not that Babar has been bad in the first place.

 

[Hasan123]

Massive overreaction. He's still new to test level and he is having to play in Australia.you can't expect him to churn century after century out. He needs time to adapt to test level, playing tests will help improve his game. Not every player adapts instantly to test cricket.

Just watching him in these overseas tours you can see the talent and ability is there. He just needs that one big score and more will follow. He will have rough patches but the selectors must stick with him. Arthur rates him so we must be patient.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Some of the fans here have no middle ground. Players are either given the legendary status or declared as finished after 2 good or bad innings. You will never get good batsman like this. You will have to persist with them and give them confidence.

 

[Hamza_]

Some of the fans here have no middle ground. Players are either given the legendary status or declared as finished after 2 good or bad innings. You will never get good batsman like this. You will have to persist with them and give them confidence.

Batting is an art, Constructing the innings and getting on with the pressure of the game, Building partnerships and judging how to treat what sort of delivery.

It is a confidence game, On many occasions a good batsman going through a lean patch may hit a good knock and turn around the corner from there on so this is why it is important to persist with the batsmen, One good delivery could have your name over it and knock you out.

A young Batsman will only learn to play at Test Match level only if he plays the Test Matches and Feels the level of competition he would be facing in this arena and how he will go on to construct his innings. It is pointless for someone calling out to drop the likes of Babar Azam and Sami Aslam saying they are not ready for the test level or whatever, It is obvious they cannot be performing like All time greats from the very much introductory and development stage of their international cricket.

 

[endymion248]

unfairly dropped. LOL!

He did nothing in 6 tests he played in england in 2010 and then failed again when he played Zimbabwe.

And in between he was the highest scorer against Windies in his penultimate series. Definitely treated harshly, Shafiq also failed in Windies without being dropped.

But, at the end of the day, what he did after being dropped is his own failing.

 

[endymion248]

I like how the word 'long term prospect' is profusely used to define a certain 'special' player, which gives them a certificate to perform the way they want with no accountability for it...
This takes me back to 92 and how Inzamam was deemed special by Imran Khan, his One Day perforamnces in WC was used to induce him into the Test match side.. which gave him a certificate to play the way he wants in the team, and was an utter failiure against England in Test Matches.. Asif Mujtaba and Shoaib Mohammad performed much better than him but both of them got ousted for one IK's favorite sons

Apparently 3 100's vs WI in UAE, is now criteria for 'special player' status.. it doesn't matter how old you are, or what experience you have of playing International cricket.. you get this status if you can play flashy cover drives and play 'aggressively', and you will continue to have that free ride despite others performing better than you
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

Like Junaids said, one knock makes Babar better than Misbah+Younis... incredible )

And history proved Imran Khan right since Inzamam went on to be a Pakistani great while nobody even remembers these Mujtabas and Sohaibs. You are only making Babar's case here.

 

[street cricketer]

You should always give a youngster a run of 3-4 series or say 10-12 matches before judging him.

Not a good thing to pass judgement after every single match/innings. Unfortunately most Pak fans want instant success and glory.

 

[Junaids]

Umar Akmal's whole test record (mediocre one at that) rests on his debut century in NZ which looks more and more like a fluke every passing day.

On the last tour to Australia Umar Akmal scored:

51 and 27 at Melbourne
49 and 49 at Sydney
8 and 15

If he repeated that this year rather than Younis averaging 14 and Misbah averaging 13, you would be 1-0 up in the series rather than 1-0 down.

Umar Akmal does himself no favours, but the decision to cast aside a 21 year old who averaged 36 in a career made outside Asia has been a total disaster.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

So you're excusing the slog while blaming Misbah?

Easy enough.

Blame anyone but Akmal and pretend he was some world beater that everyone conspired to bring down.

You must love Kamran Akmal too for that matter.

Stop bringing up straw man arguments.

I said he was not treated as a golden boy. And he wasn't. And I gave the reasons why backed up by stats.

If you want to argue that, go right ahead. Don't bring up stupid irrelevant comments such as that of Kamran Akmal.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

the fact is that if you take out his debut match he averages a pathetic 30.

And that too includes the 79* tullay baazi in a match no one wanted to play due to spot fixing.

And since his initial dropping in 2010 he had scored ONE century in five years of FC cricket till this season

So now you're reduced to singling out good scores of his and trying to argue somehow that they shouldn't count in his average?

Give it a rest.

Get back to the original argument as well - he was NOT treated like a golden boy as you claimed.

And his average for a kid having played all his tests in alien conditions that our batsmen usually struggle with was very decent.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Akmal was the best player? His only big innings came in his last innings when england didnt care much. Apart from that he was abysmal.

And who was good? Azhar Ali was better? He averaged 21 in that tour.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

The more I hear of this, the more I am inclined to believe, he got very lucky with that century against Bond when all his hoicks and cuts came off.

On another day, he would have departed for 30 odd and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Lol, so you didn't even see the innings and are happy to pass it off as flukey.

Martin Crowe and the other commentators praised the hell out of Akmal's innings on that tour.

 

[Junaids]

So now you're reduced to singling out good scores of his and trying to argue somehow that they shouldn't count in his average?

Give it a rest.

Get back to the original argument as well - he was NOT treated like a golden boy as you claimed.

And his average for a kid having played all his tests in alien conditions that our batsmen usually struggle with was very decent.

I totally agree.

Pakistan dumped a kid with an exceptional record outside Asia, then claim they have to pick two guys in their forties because the cupboard is bare.

A completely self-inflicted problem.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Lol, so you didn't even see the innings and are happy to pass it off as flukey.

Martin Crowe and the other commentators praised the hell out of Akmal's innings on that tour.

He followed it up with a flukey 75 in the 2nd innings.

 

[JattMaula]

I totally agree.

Pakistan dumped a kid with an exceptional record outside Asia, then claim they have to pick two guys in their forties because the cupboard is bare.

A completely self-inflicted problem.

It's not too late for Umar. He is only 26.

 

[endymion248]

On the last tour to Australia Umar Akmal scored:

51 and 27 at Melbourne
49 and 49 at Sydney
8 and 15

If he repeated that this year rather than Younis averaging 14 and Misbah averaging 13, you would be 1-0 up in the series rather than 1-0 down.

Umar Akmal does himself no favours, but the decision to cast aside a 21 year old who averaged 36 in a career made outside Asia has been a total disaster.

UA's drop can't be justified on numbers like [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] is arguing; it's dishonest to suggest so. However he does have a point: Akmal has scored 1 FC century after being dropped. Only himself can be blamed for that.

 

[New Yorker]

Another foreign tour another disappointing display by our supposed next generation stars babar Azam and Sami Aslam both like there predecessors have looked deer in headlights in this series and one can chuck them in to list of past messiahs who were once hailed as future of Pakistan batting.

We just do not have the batting culture to produce young batsmen who can achieve success across the globe.

If anything Aslam far exceeded expectations when he came back in the England series. Everyone myself included were expecting him to scrape together one 40 at best.

 

[New Yorker]

The description fits Amir much better actually.. no 5'fers in any format since comeback

Right but that's not the question. So how many chances does Babar get? 10? 20?

 

[petercat]

Right but that's not the question. So how many chances does Babar get? 10? 20?

He is 22.At this age it would be good to play him in the team for next 10 test matches.

 

[Slog]

UA's drop can't be justified on numbers like [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] is arguing; it's dishonest to suggest so. However he does have a point: Akmal has scored 1 FC century after being dropped. Only himself can be blamed for that.

The point is that if you take out the first 2 tests the average drops to the 20s.

And his only other innings of note apart from the 40s and 50s in Australia has been an unbeaten 79 in a match which shouldn't even be in the record books anymore

And looking at his record since his dropping there is every reason to suggest that you can credit beginners luck for his first few innings

 

[Slog]

So now you're reduced to singling out good scores of his and trying to argue somehow that they shouldn't count in his average?

Give it a rest.

Get back to the original argument as well - he was NOT treated like a golden boy as you claimed.

And his average for a kid having played all his tests in alien conditions that our batsmen usually struggle with was very decent.

It's not really taking out good scores of his when there's only a handful

He was given golden boy treatment by every measure

 

[waleed88]

Right but that's not the question. So how many chances does Babar get? 10? 20?

should get a chance at no.6 not no.3

 

[waleed88]

And history proved Imran Khan right since Inzamam went on to be a Pakistani great while nobody even remembers these Mujtabas and Sohaibs. You are only making Babar's case here.

give others the chances Inzamam got it would've been a different story, he was a failure for his first two years but survived because of flat tracks in pak and odi knocks

 

[Slog]

Seeing Umar Akmals exploits in the international arena and his domestic record post 2010 there is NO CASE for him to have been part of the test team.

His temperament in itself is enough to let us know that even in the so called easie UAE tracks he would have been scoring 20s and 30s before throwing his wicket away via stupid hoicks to mid wicket. If you genuinely believe that this wouldn't have been the outcome and that he would have scored big runs then ether you haven't seen him play or you are dishonest

 

[Abdullah719]

give others the chances Inzamam got it would've been a different story, he was a failure for his first two years but survived because of flat tracks in pak and odi knocks

So others would have bettered Inzamam's output for Pakistan? This is really a strange argument on your part.

Almost every young players will have his struggles at the start of his Test career, especially if they're transferring from the horrendous Pakistani first-class domestic setup to a tour of Australia. But the only way they will improve is by playing more Test cricket.

 

[endymion248]

The point is that if you take out the first 2 tests the average drops to the 20s.

And his only other innings of note apart from the 40s and 50s in Australia has been an unbeaten 79 in a match which shouldn't even be in the record books anymore

And looking at his record since his dropping there is every reason to suggest that you can credit beginners luck for his first few innings

It's pretty stupid the way you are discrediting a major Pakistani victory just because Akmal was its artisan. That 79 is his best innings. If he managed to score that even against the trauma of spot fixing then even more credit to him. It's not like England was spot fixing, it's Akmals' teammates who did it.

As for averaging 20, you have to compare to other pakistanis and take conditions into account.

 

[Slog]

It's pretty stupid the way you are discrediting a major Pakistani victory just because Akmal was its artisan. That 79 is his best innings. If he managed to score that even against the trauma of spot fixing then even more credit to him. It's not like England was spot fixing, it's Akmals' teammates who did it.

As for averaging 20, you have to compare to other pakistanis and take conditions into account.

Which Pakistan victory? Didn't we lose that match?

 

[New Yorker]

He is 22.At this age it would be good to play him in the team for next 10 test matches.

Ok let's see. If he is not averaging better than 30 after 5 more I'd say it becomes close to untenable, but maybe it should not be that way...

 

[New Yorker]

should get a chance at no.6 not no.3

yeah sounds good to me, but then what to do with shafiq, at 5?

 

[New Yorker]

You should always give a youngster a run of 3-4 series or say 10-12 matches before judging him.

Not a good thing to pass judgement after every single match/innings. Unfortunately most Pak fans want instant success and glory.

That's doable if he is putting up the odd good score, but can in cases like Compton just become untenable very fast for even the most patient board. Though perhaps I should not be so hasty. How many did they give him?

 

[Abdullah719]

That's doable if he is putting up the odd good score, but can in cases like Compton just become untenable very fast for even the most patient board. Though perhaps I should not be so hasty. How many did they give him?

Compton is 33 years old, hardly a youngster.

 

[endymion248]

Which Pakistan victory? Didn't we lose that match?

Which match did he win us in that tour? I was talking about that inning.

 

[Slog]

Which match did he win us in that tour? I was talking about that inning.

Hahaha. Not sure how many matches we've won with him in the test team lol.

 

[iniqbal223]

Sami : He is a good find for Pakistan.He is young and criticising him is unfair, at least, he is far better than the likes of farhat's, butts, nazir's and Akmal's, who even after playing so much can not give reliability. First, they do not have technique, second they do not have temperament to stay and face the challenging conditions. Sami is not playing in Pakistan or on other flat track pitches, may be unfair and harsh to him that even at this early stage, he is touring England, NZ and Australia. I think he understands his role pretty much, which is to negotiate the early swing and stay there for at least 10 overs so that in-coming batsmen can not be exposed.Only thing he need is to find the scoring shots, that can complement his strong defence and can make his stay more valuable.

I am disappointed to see the news of K akmal getting consideration. If this guy needs to be selected it has to be in these Australia, NZ and England tours. Everyone must see how much great he is ? Why put poor Aslam, Azam on these tough conditions, where they are learning and then drop them for these Akmals who will play inconsistently one glorified innings and stay in team till another world cup to show their incompetency of dropping catches and making people ashamed.

 

[endymion248]

Hahaha. Not sure how many matches we've won with him in the test team lol.

Yeah, I thought he scored that 79 in the match Pakistan won. But I think it was the match just before where he scored something like 30 runs with the tail.

 

[PakLFC]

They do well in conditions that are suitable to them. Out the subcontinent and UAE their poor technique will always be exposed. Us fans are also guilty of getting carried away to easily.

 

[srh]

Another foreign tour another disappointing display by our supposed next generation stars babar Azam and Sami Aslam both like there predecessors have looked deer in headlights in this series and one can chuck them in to list of past messiahs who were once hailed as future of Pakistan batting.

We just do not have the batting culture to produce young batsmen who can achieve success across the globe.

Why you guys selected Sami Aslam and Babar Azam in test team? Do they average 50+ in domestic FC cricket? If not then why they were selected in the first place?

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

It's not really taking out good scores of his when there's only a handful

He was given golden boy treatment by every measure

Really? Why don't you name these so-called measures then? You have not brought up anything so far.

 

[street cricketer]

That's doable if he is putting up the odd good score, but can in cases like Compton just become untenable very fast for even the most patient board. Though perhaps I should not be so hasty. How many did they give him?

10 matches is the bare minimum that any youngster must be given unless he bombs totally in his career, which is not the case with either Aslam or Babar. Neither Pak management nor Pak fans know to groom or have patience with youngsters. Sami was very mature in his debut in England and Babar just played a fantastic knock at NZ. Atleast the Pak management is showing patience with the two for the time being.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Seeing Umar Akmals exploits in the international arena and his domestic record post 2010 there is NO CASE for him to have been part of the test team.

His temperament in itself is enough to let us know that even in the so called easie UAE tracks he would have been scoring 20s and 30s before throwing his wicket away via stupid hoicks to mid wicket. If you genuinely believe that this wouldn't have been the outcome and that he would have scored big runs then ether you haven't seen him play or you are dishonest

So how was he treated as a golden boy again? Oh that's right, you haven't mentioned a single way.

Your entire argument is based on the one above - what he would have done etc. Frankly, no one cares what the hell you think he might have done. I could just as easily say he might have scored double centuries on those flat tracks. The point is, it's irrelevant what your opinion is. What's relevant is what he did - and you say he was treated like a goldenboy, and I say no way. I gave stats and figures, you gave silly biased immature arguments.

The fact is, he was never treated like a goldenboy.

If he had fans, that has nothing to do with how he was treated or his selections.

You haven't even made one single coherent argument to say he was. Pa

 

[waleed88]

Ridiculous batting... that's what you get for putting in a 21 year old to bat at no.3 with no experience at all

 

[waleed88]

19, 14, 23, 1

can someone kick this out already?

 

[160KPH]

Sami and Babar haven't been performing at all. We should expect more from the two batsmen who are supposed to lead our countries batting in the future.

 

[waleed88]

7, 29, 90*, 16 vs NZ... We are in for greatness..

 

[AlphaFighter]

Counting before Babar Azam gets the Umar Akmal treatment from the fans

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Counting before Babar Azam gets the Umar Akmal treatment from the fans

Babar is better than Umar and is going nowhere.

 

[abhayjj]

He is supposedly more talented than Virat ! Huh

 

[160KPH]

Bunch of fickle idiots who should be thoroughly ignored.

They should be persisted with without a doubt, they're the future. Specially Babar, he's a talent.
But how can you expect people to not be angry when the talent is consistently failing?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

They should be persisted with without a doubt, they're the future. Specially Babar, he's a talent.
But how can you expect people to not be angry when the talent is consistently failing?

Batsmen take time to adjust to test level, especially Pakistanis because there is a big gap between our domestic and internationals. Firstly, Babar's only played 5 tests. He recently scored a fantastic 90* on a green pitch. He's only 22 years old and batting at 3 protecting arguably the most technically inept middle order in the world, and playing in Australia for the first time. He's the future and everybody knows it. Our domestic is not good enough to develop batsmen therefore we have to develop them at the international stage and bear through the growing pains.

Two things that will help him greatly. A century that will help him kickstart his career. Secondly, a batting partner like Haris at 4.