"Younis Khan once held a knife to my throat when I offered him advice" : Grant Flower

[Titan24]

Obviously it's GF fault that he had a knife waved at his throat. A more responsible person would have kept quiet to protect a total nutcase.

No, a more responsible person would have taken it to the top management of PCB back then. It was irresponsible not to take this serious issue (Based upon what we have been told) to higher authorities and then talking about it in a podcast 4 years later.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Grant Flower has sent a message to Younis Khan apologizing saying that it was never his intention to cause him any harm.

I seriously dunno how to read this. True or irony? If the former, then wow!

 

[Titan24]

From the people who are suggesting Flower revealed the knife incident at the 'wrong time', I would ask- what's the right time? When it happened? After the tour? One year later? Or shouldn't he have revealed it at all?

Its pretty obvious that right time would have been back in 2016 so that incident could have been inquired back then. That might have served some purpose and Younis would have been reprimanded if this actually happened in the same way as we have been told. Time which Grant chose to disclose this can only become headlines of news without serving any purpose to anyone.

 

[Forum363]

Grant Flower has sent a message to Younis Khan apologizing saying that it was never his intention to cause him any harm.

That is ridiculous. Unless Younis had a proper discussion with Grant after the incident where he accepted his mistake, put it down to the pressure he was under and profusely apologised for the physical violence Grant had to suffer in the workplace - following which Grant accepted the apology and agreed to move forward and end the matter there. In THAT scenario, it is wrong of Grant to suddenly bring this up years later.

HOWEVER knowing Younis’ ego, I highly doubt this happened, so Grant has done nothing wrong. Whether he says this after 1 day or 10 years is his choice. If Younis has a problem - don’t flipping put a knife to someone’s throat!! What a world we live in where he is being apologised to.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Its pretty obvious that right time would have been back in 2016 so that incident could have been inquired back then. That might have served some purpose and Younis would have been reprimanded if this actually happened in the same way as we have been told. Time which Grant chose to disclose this can only become headlines of news without serving any purpose to anyone.

On the other hand if it had been raised back then then Grant would have been accused by a fair few of sabotaging the chances of the Pakistan team, of removing one of their best players. When Grant chooses to reveal it is the wrong debate because it blames the victim. YK forfeited all rights to a 'timed discourse' when he acted as he did.

 

[Titan24]

Firstly I wasn't referring to you, and secondly I'm amazed you're calling Grant Flower "irresponsible" when the story is Younis Khan pulling a knife on him.

Prolonging the argument any further is useless. Grant Flower is not subject to an NDA. He is not under contract with PCB.

He is entitled to speak his mind freely and is under no obligation to do Pakistan cricket any favours. And again, I'm sure Grant Flower could've mentioned many more incidents from his time as batting coach, probably half a dozen stories about Umar Akmal alone.

My bad but, still lets not to call people clowns or other names just because they have a different opinions. Just my two cents which you can throw away if you want.

Coming to the incident. Let me make my self clear once again, if the incident took place as we have been told it was pathetic from Younis, I have not defended Younis here once but questioning Flower makes everyone believe that Younis is being supported.

I wouldnt have any issues if Flower would have dragged even Younis to court in 2016 based per current half side of the story tells us that Younis had personality issues (I guess we all knew to an extent) but nobody knew he would have held a knife to Grant’s throat. What purpose speaking that in a podcast served to him or anybody else for that matter? Thats my question.

Coming to telling stories about Umer Akmal and others which can deter there reputation, again Indont agree is with that. Coach is like a teacher, someone to whom players are very close to and they onow multiple things about everyone and obviously Grant also knows as he was coach for 5 years. In my opinion sharing such things when you were in a role where you are supposed to be trustworthy is unprofessional in my opinion and its not a right precedent to set.

 

[Titan24]

Grant Flower has sent a message to Younis Khan apologizing saying that it was never his intention to cause him any harm.

I dont think apology was needed from Grant, is he apologizing because he said what he said by mistake? As despite him not intending it was pretty obvious when you tell a player held a knife at your throat, it was gonna become headlines.

I hope Younis apologized again in reply as he should if he really held a knife to his throat.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Grant Flower has sent a message to Younis Khan apologizing saying that it was never his intention to cause him any harm.

Grant Flower’s approach to this incident is difficult to understand.

1) He should have raised the matter to PCB when it happened.

2) If the matter had been resolved one on one then he shouldn’t have opened the can of worms in the public now.

3) If the matter hasn’t been resolved yet and he’s still peeved about how he was treated, he shouldn’t be apologizing to YK.

 

[Titan24]

On the other hand if it had been raised back then then Grant would have been accused by a fair few of sabotaging the chances of the Pakistan team, of removing one of their best players. When Grant chooses to reveal it is the wrong debate because it blames the victim. YK forfeited all rights to a 'timed discourse' when he acted as he did.

Discipline comes before the chance of winning and a good coach should know that. Its poor management if you bow down in front of someone just because he is a legendary player. You dont want players putting knives at your throat every other day whenever they dont want to hear suggestions. Victim here was the batting coach who I would imagine is more powerful than any batsman and should have acted in a responsible manner by reporting it. Mickey Arther should have supported Flower and they should have acted accordingly.

As a batting coach he made a decision that no, Younis made a mistake and he realizes it so lets allow him to play. If he forgave him then no point then no point in bringing this up again. I am not blaming the victim, i am just questioning his decision to let Younis go away first and then talking about such serious incident in a podcast. Must have said it in a flow and probably wouldn't have realized it would become a huge news, I dont know.

 

[Bewal Express]

No, a more responsible person would have taken it to the top management of PCB back then. It was irresponsible not to take this serious issue (Based upon what we have been told) to higher authorities and then talking about it in a podcast 4 years later.

But they would have lost their jobs because YK wasn't going anywhere. Remember the higher authority you are talking about is the PCB.

 

[Saj]

Discipline comes before the chance of winning and a good coach should know that. Its poor management if you bow down in front of someone just because he is a legendary player. You dont want players putting knives at your throat every other day whenever they dont want to hear suggestions. Victim here was the batting coach who I would imagine is more powerful than any batsman and should have acted in a responsible manner by reporting it. Mickey Arther should have supported Flower and they should have acted accordingly.

As a batting coach he made a decision that no, Younis made a mistake and he realizes it so lets allow him to play. If he forgave him then no point then no point in bringing this up again. I am not blaming the victim, i am just questioning his decision to let Younis go away first and then talking about such serious incident in a podcast. Must have said it in a flow and probably wouldn't have realized it would become a huge news, I dont know.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that this is Pakistan cricket and the PCB. So the ideal world and reality goes out the window.

 

[Saj]

Grant Flower’s approach to this incident is difficult to understand.

1) He should have raised the matter to PCB when it happened.

2) If the matter had been resolved one on one then he shouldn’t have opened the can of worms in the public now.

3) If the matter hasn’t been resolved yet and he’s still peeved about how he was treated, he shouldn’t be apologizing to YK.

1. In an ideal world yes.
2. One on one. This is Younis Khan....
3. Don't think he's peeved. Listen to the podcast.

 

[Saj]

I dont think apology was needed from Grant, is he apologizing because he said what he said by mistake? As despite him not intending it was pretty obvious when you tell a player held a knife at your throat, it was gonna become headlines.

I hope Younis apologized again in reply as he should if he really held a knife to his throat.

I'll find out if Younis replied.

 

[Vegitto1]

In light of this revelation, our batsmen better perform in England for their own safety.

 

[Giannis]

Younis does have anger issues, he's overly emotional. That said I wonder Flower said, like he just called it "advice" but if it was taken as disrespectful or added with some expletives about female relatives then that's the reaction you would get from from non-western men.

 

[Saj]

Younis does have anger issues, he's overly emotional. That said I wonder Flower said, like he just called it "advice" but if it was taken as disrespectful or added with some expletives about female relatives then that's the reaction you would get from from non-western men.

The 'expletives' were about Younis Khan's footwork.

How dare Grant mention that dreaded word.....footwork.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Expecting the knives to be out after this game

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Did YK ever comment on this then?

 

[Caved12]

Younis Khan has always been a mental case. Should see a Psychiatrist.

So we always had a dummy batting coach, who was never able to give advice to senior or junior players. Fakhar did not listen to him and Younis Khan held a knife to his throat because our batting coach was trying to do his job.

Now Younis khan is our batting coach, Lmao.

Nikalo bahir sab ko

 

[JattMaula]

Did YK ever comment on this then?

Who is gonna ask YK about that? Who is going to bell the cat?

 

[ask_analyse_act]

From the people who are suggesting Flower revealed the knife incident at the 'wrong time', I would ask- what's the right time? When it happened? After the tour? One year later? Or shouldn't he have revealed it at all?

I personally don't think there's ever a right or wrong time. Instead, all of us, and not just public figures like YK, are accountable for our actions all the time. There may be a statue of limitation in law, but none as far as I know on public exposure of bad behaviour. And YK's was extremely poor behaviour if Grant and Arthur are to be believed.

Yes the right time to report the incident of violence is “immediately” or at least at the end of that test or the tour. It is indeed a remark, that needs next steps to be taken to enhance workplace safety

Secondly , I don’t think any player would like to hear advice from any coach at the breakfast table early in the morning. That is not the workplace to give and receive advice. It also shows the speaks some quality of batting coach I guess

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I watched Har Lamha Par Josh Yesterday.

Younis was getting quite irate and I don't think he was joking.

One of the co-panelists offended him by placing his arm on his shoulder and disagreeing with Younis.

Younis kept on getting angrier throughout the show, kept on asking Wasim Badami to ask the " layman" the question ( the other panelist was a layman and was there to give the thoughts of the awaam but Younis obviously felt aggreieved he was being interupted).

Towards the end Younis said he would give the guy some advice - when you put your hand on the shoulder of a senior player while he is talking then you can expect a hit underneath your ear ( a slap) in return.

The man is still going on about senior players many years after retiring

The whole link is below which shows the build up of Younis getting angry but 16:30 onwards for the comment mentioned above

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[as-95]

Alot of posters are unhappy with the buddy buddy culture in the current teams dressing room but I'd much rather have this than the toxic senior culture we had in the Younus era and even the 90s after Imran left.

 

[Snowflake]

I watched Har Lamha Par Josh Yesterday.

Younis was getting quite irate and I don't think he was joking.

One of the co-panelists offended him by placing his arm on his shoulder and disagreeing with Younis.

Younis kept on getting angrier throughout the show, kept on asking Wasim Badami to ask the " layman" the question ( the other panelist was a layman and was there to give the thoughts of the awaam but Younis obviously felt aggreieved he was being interupted).

Towards the end Younis said he would give the guy some advice - when you put your hand on the shoulder of a senior player while he is talking then you can expect a hit underneath your ear ( a slap) in return.

The man is still going on about senior players many years after retiring

The whole link is below which shows the build up of Younis getting angry but 16:30 onwards for the comment mentioned above

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This is classic YK! Making an issue out of nothing. Acting as if an actor shouldn’t speak on cricket and that he has no right to put his hand on yk shoulder. What an egotistical maniac

 

[Rana]

It must be terrifying living behind closed doors with this man. He is capable of anything once he becomes irritated or angry

 

[shaz619]

I completely back and support Younis Khan, an eye for an eye. As the great Tyson once said, everyone has a plan, until they join Younis for breakfast.

Younis Khan is an O.G, you simply don’t mess with him. What he achieved for Pakistan is unprecedented, yet still they don’t put enough respect on his name.

Khan should rightly be treated like royalty.

 

[Savak]

YK is a strange case. I have heard 99% of the times the guy is very chilled out and he has tremendous patience when people joke around and make merry even at his expense but when he loses it then just hide.

 

[LegendAli]

This guy lives in Karachi, having an ego such as that there is calling for trouble.

Dude needs to be careful, it's a different story behaving like that with people outside of the television studios.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I completely back and support Younis Khan, an eye for an eye. As the great Tyson once said, everyone has a plan, until they join Younis for breakfast.

Younis Khan is an O.G, you simply don’t mess with him. What he achieved for Pakistan is unprecedented, yet still they don’t put enough respect on his name.

Khan should rightly be treated like royalty.

Tbh then he shouldn’t be doing these comedy shows with jesters and random segments. Never seen tendulkar or Dravid do these

 

[LegendAli]

Tbh then he shouldn’t be doing these comedy shows with jesters and random segments. Never seen tendulkar or Dravid do these

Love how you casually just put Younis Khan's name alongside the two latter legends like no one would question it.

 

[zaidihusain]

I completely back and support Younis Khan, an eye for an eye. As the great Tyson once said, everyone has a plan, until they join Younis for breakfast.

Younis Khan is an O.G, you simply don’t mess with him. What he achieved for Pakistan is unprecedented, yet still they don’t put enough respect on his name.

Khan should rightly be treated like royalty.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or you have seriously posted this. Respect is something which you have to earn with your behavior, not something you demand by threats and reminding people of your achievements. Younis Khan is the most undeserving player to play 265 ODIs for Pakistan

 

[Major]

Younis Khan is a guy who brings a knife to a fist fight.

No wonder the oath gate happen and I actually support that. This guy was batameez and was never fit to be captain of Pakistan. The players were not idiots and they saw this first hand. WE only started seeing this after retirement.

 

[Saj]

Tbh then he shouldn’t be doing these comedy shows with jesters and random segments. Never seen tendulkar or Dravid do these

All about the rupees.

Money talks, player (former) walks.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Why is everyone acting shocked? There is a video of him beating a cricket fan.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

I have read that he has lost 2 brothers (one older, one younger) and his father in a very short span of time and was a lone bread winner for a huge extended family for a long time. His life is indeed very tough, guy played in the shadow of legends like Inzi, Yusuf etc for majority of his career.

I commend him for his mental toughness, he was very honest on the field.

 

[PakEngFan]

Love how you casually just put Younis Khan's name alongside the two latter legends like no one would question it.

He’s on par with Dravid so if dravid is a legend so is younis khan.

 

[PakEngFan]

This guy lives in Karachi, having an ego such as that there is calling for trouble.

Dude needs to be careful, it's a different story behaving like that with people outside of the television studios.

He had this ego for a long time and been living in Karachi for a long time too. Nothing has happened. Stop trying to make out Karachi as …..

 

[Major]

I have read that he has lost 2 brothers (one older, one younger) and his father in a very short span of time and was a lone bread winner for a huge extended family for a long time. His life is indeed very tough, guy played in the shadow of legends like Inzi, Yusuf etc for majority of his career.

I commend him for his mental toughness, he was very honest on the field.

Does not justify his behavior

 

[topspin]

Younis Khan is a guy who brings a knife to a fist fight.

No wonder the oath gate happen and I actually support that. This guy was batameez and was never fit to be captain of Pakistan. The players were not idiots and they saw this first hand. WE only started seeing this after retirement.

Sorry but don't you have any shame in saying all this?

Misbah wouldn't have won all those series in the UAE because he got carried by him with the bat.

Younis Khan's captaincy was instrumental to Pakistan 2009 WT20 win. Misbah on the other had always came back home with egg on his face after every ICC event since 2007 let alone win something.

The bottom line is Misbah and his fans owe Younis Khan some respect.

 

[topspin]

I have read that he has lost 2 brothers (one older, one younger) and his father in a very short span of time and was a lone bread winner for a huge extended family for a long time. His life is indeed very tough, guy played in the shadow of legends like Inzi, Yusuf etc for majority of his career.

I commend him for his mental toughness, he was very honest on the field.

He is a man of flaws but I've always had a soft spot for him not only because he was a fine player but also because he had dealt with all kinds of adversity in his personal life. The players around him and the likes of Ijaz Butt at the PCB were very toxic and really did mistreat him.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Younis Khan is a guy who brings a knife to a fist fight.

No wonder the oath gate happen and I actually support that. This guy was batameez and was never fit to be captain of Pakistan. The players were not idiots and they saw this first hand. WE only started seeing this after retirement.

I have met Younis 3 times and each time he was a proper gentleman.

However he is quite an emotional person and I think he can quite quickly feel disrespected.

I think the oath gate probably made him like this and now he constantly feels threatened.

It doesn't matter what his behaviour is like now, nothing can justify oathgate.

 

[Major]

Sorry but don't you have any shame in saying all this?

Misbah wouldn't have won all those series in the UAE because he got carried by him with the bat.

Younis Khan's captaincy was instrumental to Pakistan 2009 WT20 win. Misbah on the other had always came back home with egg on his face after every ICC event since 2007 let alone win something.

The bottom line is Misbah and his fans owe Younis Khan some respect.

There is a difference between performing and doing batameezi.

Alex hales was amongst the worlds best, but he was toxic and was bot considered for national duty.

Being a batmeez does not justify your actions no matter how good f a plaayer you are. There was a reason why players revolted under him and it all makes sense. People with self respect dont put up with such behavior.

Younis captaincy made no impact. Even babars team reached the finals of 2022 world t20, had we won would you had said it was due to his captaincy.

I hate shahid afrid alot, but the guy was able to pull it off in the semis and finals of that tournament.

No one owes ajything to anyone. Younis khan used the media to book himself a spot for the world cup 2015 where he did nothing and placed the team under pressure.

Younis khan did more damage, and he probably also has issues that why did misbah retire in the same series as him. He probably feels he got less attention and didnt want to be priased alongside misbah. Thats the kind of personality this guy has.

More toxic than shoaib akhtar

 

[Major]

He is a man of flaws but I've always had a soft spot for him not only because he was a fine player but also because he had dealt with all kinds of adversity in his personal life. The players around him and the likes of Ijaz Butt at the PCB were very toxic and really did mistreat him.

Bro.
Ijazz butt never mistreated him. All ijazz butt did was made him wait once. This guys ego got shattered the day he was made to wait by Ijazz Butt and he threw a big tantrum.

Ijazz butt ended up putting him back to his place by throwing him out of the team completely. The best thing ijazz butt did was he did not allow any player to gain media backing and no matter how big the player was media or fan base wise.

You dont thrown tantrums and resign from team because your boss made you wait.

Personal life tragedy happen with everyone. Younis was not a special case.

Ahmed shezad and misbah grew up without a father
Afridi lived in poverty
Aamer moved away from his home and lived in a shabby hostel of his coach
Naseem shah made his debut when his mother passed away and couldn't attend her funeral. She was his only supporter.
Saeed anwar had his daughter passed away.

However, it does not justify their bad behavior.

 

[Major]

I have met Younis 3 times and each time he was a proper gentleman.

However he is quite an emotional person and I think he can quite quickly feel disrespected.

I think the oath gate probably made him like this and now he constantly feels threatened.

It doesn't matter what his behaviour is like now, nothing can justify oathgate.

We look at oath brigade as a bad thing. But we never looked at the oath brigade from the point of view of players.

Malik has captain pakistan, afridi has captain pakistan, misbah has captain pakistan. Azhar ali, babar azam, sarfraz ahmed and hafeez have also captained pakistan cricket team. Yet the oath taking never took place under them.

Reason was simple. Younis khan was toxic. We just didnt see it and we the fans ended up taking younis version and backed him as if he was a victim.

But tell, if you had a boss who was as toxic as Younis doing batameezi getting angry at smallest of things, would you really bare that? Younis is one of those guys who would get ****** at you if you were smiling or laughing when you have lost. His issue would be why you have such emotions at display which is ridiculous.

People dont change, oath brigade didnt change his behavior. The guy was always toxic and we saw the glimpse of it when in a domestix macthnhe decided to beat up a fan who wanted a picture with him.

The players did the right thing, and took oath against him and was rightly removed.

Sarfraz is a captain that gets angry but we have seen players revolt against him. Thing is, behind the close doors Younis was very very very toxic and now as he comes on media we are seeing his toxic behavior.

Like the guy whines about the room he was given at NCA when he came for some pcb post....

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Met YK back in 06 at the Clydesdale Cricket Club, fell in love with him after he signed my bat. Did 10-15 mins of training session and he came across as a very nice person.

However, he’s not someone you’d want to have a pint of lassi with.

 

[topspin]

Younis captaincy made no impact.

When it comes to cricketing matters, you couldn't be more wrong as per usual. The fielding placings and bowling changes were spot on throughout the tournament. The first over of that final, where Amir dismissed Dilshan with the short ball barrage epitomises that. It was brilliant captaincy coupled with Amir's excellent bowling to get rid of the tournament's leading run scorer.

Even babars team reached the finals of 2022 world t20, had we won would you had said it was due to his captaincy

No I wouldn't because his captaincy has always been poor for Pakistan. This tournament was no exception. Pakistan reaching the final in the 2022 edition of the tournament flatters them. They played 7 matches and only won half of them. They couldn't even beat Zimbabwe. The only two teams they beat, who were actually worthy of mention, were South Africa and New Zealand.

Unlike Younis Khan in 2009, Babar had no impact with the bat and his captaincy was terrible in the 2022 WT20.

Younis khan used the media to book himself a spot for the world cup 2015 where he did nothing and placed the team under pressure

I agree with this. It was a disgraceful episode in his career however the precedent was set when Pakistan decided to reduce their standards by allowing an inferior batsman, Misbah in his 40s not only hog a place in the side but actually lead the team. I can understand why he was aggrieved but the manner in which he went about it wasn't good. You see I can criticise my favourite players if they have done wrong because I don't treat it like a religious cult where I feel the need to worship my heroes.

he probably also has issues that why did misbah retire in the same series as him. He probably feels he got less attention and didnt want to be priased alongside misbah

You're projecting here. What I will say is Younis Khan publicly has said he doesn't rate Misbah as a cricketer. He isn't wrong is he? Misbah was a substandard batsman compared to him.

Younis khan did more damage

This is a bit ironic coming from a Misbah supporter who has done more damage than anyone else in the history of Pakistan cricket. Younis Khan is the only Pakistan player with 10,000 test runs and 30+ test hundreds. He also won a Pakistan a tournament unlike Misbah and remains to be the only captain to have won the WT20. So I think it's safe to say that this statement is far fetched and epitomises your hate for YK.

As much as I hate Misbah for how he destroyed Pakistan cricket, even I would never approve of Oath Gate against him where the Holy Quran was used as a tool to create disharmony in the side. How you can justify this episode is beyond me.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I have read that he has lost 2 brothers (one older, one younger) and his father in a very short span of time and was a lone bread winner for a huge extended family for a long time. His life is indeed very tough, guy played in the shadow of legends like Inzi, Yusuf etc for majority of his career.

I commend him for his mental toughness, he was very honest on the field.

I think he had deaths in his family for 3 consecutive overseas tours

 

[Saj]

Great batter, complexed character clearly with issues.

 

[pakistani pride]

Pathetic from YK.
He has no class.