"Younis Khan once held a knife to my throat when I offered him advice" : Grant Flower

[chacha kashmiri]

Is this Younis Khan or Genghis Khan?
Grant Flower thinks that it is just 'interesting' jee, I would have called security immediately.

You don't get to become batting coach without having a bit of passion about you
Andy flower must have used the wrong terms to describe his advice and younis obviously got the wrong end of the stick
They were most probably having a barbecue or a meal together which is why knifes were present

Younis khan has never seemed stable especially when he was captain so I don't think flower is making it up

 

[Hasan123]

Mickey Arthur confirming it now. Our players have no clue how to speak and don't know how to handle criticism and handle themselves socially.

Embarrassing stuff from Younis.

 

[Bewal Express]

I guess Misbah is the unsung hero of Pakistan cricket after all, I mean he managed personalities like YK,Afridi,Hafeez,Malik,Akmal bros, Shehzad etc etc without once getting into an ugly conflict with them ever.

I know Pakistan fans have a taste for the more flamboyant and controversial personalities but this guy deserves all the respect he gets from his peers. Good man.

Misbah is also the only guy with an education, the rest are either thick and uneducated or just uneducated.

 

[TeamPak95]

I just hope Pakistan's current star potentials don't feel overly entitled and egocentric as their careers progress. Knife to the throat when offered advice? Very sporadic, left-field, and childish reaction from Younis there.

 

[sweep_shot]

YK should've been suspended if allegation is true. Threatening coach is taking it to next level.

 

[ManFan]

YK and cricket in general, is played by very insecure egos.

As so often the case with Pakistani cricket, it plays the role of an intense realm.

 

[Saj]

What could a guy with a batting average of 28 teach someone with a batting average of 54.

That's like saying "what can Klopp teach Mo Salah".

Hmmm.

 

[Saj]

YK should've been suspended if allegation is true. Threatening coach is taking it to next level.

I think Flower and Arthur saved him.

If they'd gone to PCB, anything was possible.

 

[Rana]

I guess the youngsters need to be very careful with YK. He is no nonsense to the next level

 

[Local.Dada]

On a lighter note, Hats off to Pakistan cricket for providing sports-related entertainment albeit off the field during these dark cricketless days. First with the whole match fixing discussions on youtube, the Covid tests by PCB and now this news

 

[AAli98]

That's like saying "what can Klopp teach Mo Salah".

Hmmm.

Or what could John Buchanan teach Shane warne, international sportsman are made by the time they perform at the highest level coaches can just tweak there technique here and there. Imran Khan weren’t a fan of coaches.

 

[Local.Dada]

On a serious note, what are the odds that this action was lost in translation due to the cultural differences. I mean for example regular straight guys holding hands is seen as normal in our culture but it means something totally different in the West. It's not like YK pulled an actual weapon or a gun on him.

 

[Saj]

Or what could John Buchanan teach Shane warne, international sportsman are made by the time they perform at the highest level coaches can just tweak there technique here and there. Imran Khan weren’t a fan of coaches.

It all depends on the player and whether they think they are too good to learn from the coach, even when they are struggling or making glaring mistakes.

Sometimes even the best need the help of a coach, albeit it could be minimum advice.

 

[Saj]

It's not like YK pulled an actual weapon or a gun on him.

It was a knife, not a water pistol.

 

[Local.Dada]

It all depends on the player and whether they think they are too good to learn from the coach.

Sometimes even the best need the help of a coach, albeit minimum advice.

When you are playing around with friends or siblings, many times we tend to imitate a WWF move or say throw a stone at them or something without the intent of hurting them. What are the odds, it was just a harmless banter which might have been misunderstood.

 

[Local.Dada]

Also [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] pulling a knife on someone can be considered attempt to murder, Don't you think these goras would have used this incident as an excuse to sue the hell out of PCB for unsafe environment?

 

[Saj]

When you are playing around with friends or siblings, many times we tend to imitate a WWF move or say throw a stone at them or something without the intent of hurting them. What are the odds, it was just a harmless banter which might have been misunderstood.

Mickey Arthur had to break it up and calm Younis Khan down.

Banter really?

 

[JattMaula]

Pakistan batsmen beware! You wouldn't like YK when he's angry.

 

[gazza619]

I wonder how players on tour would react when YK is in the dining area and has cutlery in his hand.

 

[Abdullah719]

Pakistan batsmen beware! You wouldn't like YK when he's angry.

 

[ads101]

Get rid of YK from the coaching staff. It's not the first time there have been rumours about his violence either. This sort of stuff should not be tolerated.

 

[The Viper]

Younis Khan really is crazy! He has always had a huge ego, but i did not think he would go this far.

It is also surprising how Arthur and Flower get this a secret - i guess it was to preserve the image of the team.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

What a team man, he was clearly offering grant a shave

Pride of Pakistan

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

As a YK fan, I'm extremely disappointed.

I feel for Grant Flower.

 

[Buffet]

If some one can't take advice from others, then he shouldn't be given a role to give advice.

YK shouldn't be anywhere near Pakistani team as coach.

 

[CanadianG00se]

When you are playing around with friends or siblings, many times we tend to imitate a WWF move or say throw a stone at them or something without the intent of hurting them. What are the odds, it was just a harmless banter which might have been misunderstood.

Dude comparing kids mimicking WWE moves and grown up man pulling a knife on someone’s throat( his batting coach) is not the same whichever way you look at it. A minor slip up could’ve been potentially fatal(or could be very serious). Actually, in most countries he would’ve been arrested and charge with ‘murder attempt’(if he gets reported).

Younis does have history of losing his temper and going crazy. Perhaps he might be bi-polar or something. Having him around as a coach for U-19s is not a wise thing if you ask me.

 

[Suleiman]

Most people on here knew what that man is capable of. A smiley face covering seething rage and insecurities. Everyone else was delusional and said “but but but he is an ATG, so it’s ok”. No it’s not, this guy is a schemer. Not a good role model at all. This story doesn’t surprise in the slightest, p sad.

I’ve been ranting against this man to be kept away from the team for years now. Beating up a kid, blackmailing to get into the team, when does it stop? Where do we draw the line?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I wonder how players on tour would react when YK is in the dining area and has cutlery in his hand.

This thread is a gold mine )))

 

[Suleiman]

The worst part is I have no trouble believing this

Exactly my reaction too, I was surprised that I wasn’t surprised he would do something like this.

 

[Savak]

I question Flowers decision to mention this now. If he cared so much about Pakistan's Cricket image then why mention it at all?

Its clear he did this to embarrass Younis Khan now that the later is our batting coach

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

On a serious note, what are the odds that this action was lost in translation due to the cultural differences. I mean for example regular straight guys holding hands is seen as normal in our culture but it means something totally different in the West. It's not like YK pulled an actual weapon or a gun on him.

Pray tell, in which culture is holding a knife to someone's throat 'lost in translation'? Some days I can't believe the stuff I read.

I question Flowers decision to mention this now. If he cared so much about Pakistan's Cricket image then why mention it at all?

Its clear he did this to embarrass Younis Khan now that the later is our batting coach

If he had said it back when it happened, someone would have questioned his timing, would probably have "why now when it's a crucial Test"?

If he had said it just after the series, someone would have said "why didn't he say it back then when it could have made a difference?"

Did YK do it, is the only thing of relevance. And, while there's no proof, or until YK denies it, it does seem the guy is over the top.

 

[Nostalgic]

It could’ve been a blunt butter knife, maybe even plastic. Just sayin’...

 

[Slog]

Younis Khan once literally beat a fan to pulp. I’m not sure why this is such a huge shock

 

[Zaz]

This isnt good news coming out

Younis khan seems a nice guy in general but the type that when he loses it really loses it

Theres no excuse for this sort of behaviour

 

[MenInG]

The Pakistan Cricket Board and the national team touring England have refused to comment on former batting coach Grant Flower's stunning claim that ex-captain Younis Khan once held a knife to his throat on receiving some unwanted advice.

Flower made the sensational allegation during a cricket podcast in which he spoke about his nearly five-year stint with the national team between 2014 and 2019. Younis is currently the batting coach of Pakistan.

An official response was not forthcoming from the PCB but a well-informed source in the board told PTI that the incident, that took place in Brisbane during a 2016 tour of Australia, wasn't a case of serious threat as portrayed by Flower but just friendly banter on the breakfast table.

"But the impression being spread by Grant Flower is not entirely true. Younis apparently had jokingly picked up the butter knife and waved it around telling Grant to just let him have his breakfast end not give advice at the breakfast table," the source said.

Younis is unlikely to respond to Grant's narration of what happened, the source added.

Recalling the incident, Flower also said that head coach Mickey Arthur had to intervene and calm Younis at that time.

On being contacted, the media manager of the Pakistan squad in Worcestershire said there would be no comments on the matter for now.

The PCB source said it was saddening to see former coaches and support staff, who have worked with the Pakistan team, disclose confidential information in public once their contracts end.

"And they also tend to add salt and pepper to incidents to grab headlines," he asserted.

Younis agreed to become the batting coach of the Pakistan team for the long England tour just last month.

The former captain is Pakistan's leading Test run-getter and the only one from the country to cross 10,000 runs in the five-day format.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...rant-flowers-claim-against-younis-khan/355929

 

[Hawkeye]

I question Flowers decision to mention this now. If he cared so much about Pakistan's Cricket image then why mention it at all?

Its clear he did this to embarrass Younis Khan now that the later is our batting coach

Looks like Grant is indeed adding lots of salt and masala in this.

YK was having breakfast, with a butterknife. He didn't pull it on him or threaten him, he was in a light mood which Grant is blowing out of proportions.

No wonder Grant Flower was a failure as a batting coach.

 

[Saj]

The Pakistan Cricket Board and the national team touring England have refused to comment on former batting coach Grant Flower's stunning claim that ex-captain Younis Khan once held a knife to his throat on receiving some unwanted advice.

Flower made the sensational allegation during a cricket podcast in which he spoke about his nearly five-year stint with the national team between 2014 and 2019. Younis is currently the batting coach of Pakistan.

An official response was not forthcoming from the PCB but a well-informed source in the board told PTI that the incident, that took place in Brisbane during a 2016 tour of Australia, wasn't a case of serious threat as portrayed by Flower but just friendly banter on the breakfast table.

"But the impression being spread by Grant Flower is not entirely true. Younis apparently had jokingly picked up the butter knife and waved it around telling Grant to just let him have his breakfast end not give advice at the breakfast table," the source said.

Younis is unlikely to respond to Grant's narration of what happened, the source added.

Recalling the incident, Flower also said that head coach Mickey Arthur had to intervene and calm Younis at that time.

On being contacted, the media manager of the Pakistan squad in Worcestershire said there would be no comments on the matter for now.

The PCB source said it was saddening to see former coaches and support staff, who have worked with the Pakistan team, disclose confidential information in public once their contracts end.

"And they also tend to add salt and pepper to incidents to grab headlines," he asserted.

Younis agreed to become the batting coach of the Pakistan team for the long England tour just last month.

The former captain is Pakistan's leading Test run-getter and the only one from the country to cross 10,000 runs in the five-day format.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...rant-flowers-claim-against-younis-khan/355929

PCB has to back their employee and the guy who they are paying a lot of money too.

If it was all a joke, why did Mickey Arthur need to break it up and calm Younis down.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

If this is true, I would lose a lot of respect for YK. He was probably the only PAK cricketer i genuinely admired.

 

[Usman]

Namak Haram individual Grant Flower. Happily accepted a pay cheque from the PCB for 5 long years when he should have been shown the door a long time ago and is now coming out with controversial statements afterwards

Absolutely not excusing YK's behaviour here:

However, you do tend to get certain characters in teams sometimes, in other sports.

Zlatan is the obvious example. As per his autobiography, he's had full on punch ups with team mates. There's even a video where he sidekicks Antonio Cassano on the side of the head, during a tv interview that Cassano was doing by himself, because Zlatan thought it would be funny.

Michael Jordan punched Steve Kerr in the face, as per 'The Last Dance' documentary.

So, I'm not surprised to hear this. Perhaps, now that the pressure of playing is off, may be Younus will behave more normally.

Obviously its wrong if true but, I don’t understand the point of talking about this now rather than when it happened.

If it really happened he should have brought up this allegation back then when he was the coach, it’s unprofessional to badmouth people you have worked with only when you have nothing at stake. Being fine with having knife at your throat when you are being paid well for 5 years and then only year after not being an employee and being paid you start saying these things which is wrong in my opinion.

Not sure about knives but I am pretty sure if every coach around the world started sharing team stories of which he coached there will be many unexpected things as cricket as a whole is not short of characters. Just to clarify I am not defending the behaviour of Younis but questioning the reason of Grant Flower taking this upto discussion now.

Guys please don't come up with any excuses to justify violence in the workplace. This is utterly indefensible. Please also stop the victim blaming - discrediting Grant's coaching credentials in response makes you look stupid rather than him.

YK is mentally unstable which we have known for many years, ever since he resigned in rage as stand in captain screaming "I don't want to be a dummy captain" in the Inzamam era. To be honest I am shocked that someone with this many mental problems managed to bat so exceptionally well.

He must have an undiagnosed mental condition, of that I am certain.

Had there been any Pakistani coaches present or other players there, this would have been out there a long time ago.

Massive respect to Grant for keeping this quiet for the sake of Pakistani and Younus's career. I don't think too many people in his shoes would have done so.

Younus is incredibly lucky.

 

[Bewal Express]

Younis Khan once literally beat a fan to pulp. I’m not sure why this is such a huge shock

As saying goes the sh** hits the fan

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I question Flowers decision to mention this now. If he cared so much about Pakistan's Cricket image then why mention it at all?

Its clear he did this to embarrass Younis Khan now that the later is our batting coach

You do have a point. Why is he coming up now just before Younis's first assignment as a batting coach?

 

[sindhiboy]

Younis seems like a really nice person. But he has bursts of arrogance and rage out of nowhere. He even slapped a fan during a domestic game. He may have some mental issues, the man has been through a lot of grief in his personal life. Not a bad idea for him to see a psychiatrist.

 

[Kroll]

Looks like Grant is indeed adding lots of salt and masala in this.

YK was having breakfast, with a butterknife. He didn't pull it on him or threaten him, he was in a light mood which Grant is blowing out of proportions.

No wonder Grant Flower was a failure as a batting coach.

Best to hear YK’s account of events before we start bashing and attacking the victim.

 

[Titan24]

Guys please don't come up with any excuses to justify violence in the workplace. This is utterly indefensible. Please also stop the victim blaming - discrediting Grant's coaching credentials in response makes you look stupid rather than him.

YK is mentally unstable which we have known for many years, ever since he resigned in rage as stand in captain screaming "I don't want to be a dummy captain" in the Inzamam era. To be honest I am shocked that someone with this many mental problems managed to bat so exceptionally well.

He must have an undiagnosed mental condition, of that I am certain.



Massive respect to Grant for keeping this quiet for the sake of Pakistani and Younus's career. I don't think too many people in his shoes would have done so.

Younus is incredibly lucky.

I didnt talk about coaching credentials at all so I am not sure why are you quoting me. I clearly mentioned if what Grant is saying happened exactly like that then what Younis did was completely wrong.

My point is why it took him 4 years to speak up? Kindly read my post and discuss the points inside that.

 

[Titan24]

An official response was not forthcoming from the PCB but a well-informed source in the board told PTI that the incident, that took place in Brisbane during a 2016 tour of Australia, wasn't a case of serious threat as portrayed by Flower but just friendly banter on the breakfast table.

"But the impression being spread by Grant Flower is not entirely true. Younis apparently had jokingly picked up the butter knife and waved it around telling Grant to just let him have his breakfast end not give advice at the breakfast table," the source said.

Younis is unlikely to respond to Grant's narration of what happened, the source added.

Recalling the incident, Flower also said that head coach Mickey Arthur had to intervene and calm Younis at that time.

On being contacted, the media manager of the Pakistan squad in Worcestershire said there would be no comments on the matter for now.

The PCB source said it was saddening to see former coaches and support staff, who have worked with the Pakistan team, disclose confidential information in public once their contracts end.

"And they also tend to add salt and pepper to incidents to grab headlines," he asserted.

So the other side of the story.

Everything aside Grant Flower and Mickey Arther despite having knives at their throats and other things were still so keen on keep on working with Pakistan side and were hoping to get contract extension.

Mickey also started talking about how PCB said they will extend his contract and they didnt, said that process wasnt great etc. My question is why they wanted to be part of so called toxic culture and they took it so badly when there contract wasnt renewed. As per some they faced “work place violence” so I am not exactly sure who would want a contract extension at such place.

So what exactly was the reason Grant Flower, Mickey Arther were still so keen on continuing? I am pretty sure most on this thread would not want extensions and would rather leave their roles if they faced work place violence and harassment or atleast wouldn't take it as badly if they are not given extension.

Again I am not defending anybody but I try to think about things from a neutral perspective before forming any opinions. Everything is not adding up from the first side of the story we got.

 

[Abdullah719]

So the other side of the story.

Everything aside Grant Flower and Mickey Arther despite having knives at their throats and other things were still so keen on keep on working with Pakistan side and were hoping to get contract extension.

Mickey also started talking about how PCB said they will extend his contract and they didnt, said that process wasnt great etc. My question is why they wanted to be part of so called toxic culture and they took it so badly when there contract wasnt renewed. As per some they faced “work place violence” so I am not exactly sure who would want a contract extension at such place.

So what exactly was the reason Grant Flower, Mickey Arther were still so keen on continuing? I am pretty sure most on this thread would not want extensions and would rather leave their roles if they faced work place violence and harassment or atleast wouldn't take it as badly if they are not given extension.

Again I am not defending anybody but I try to think about things from a neutral perspective before forming any opinions. Everything is not adding up from the first side of the story we got.

I think we're overanalyzing this. Grant Flower didn't say this as some sort of an "expose" or to have some massive conspiracy raised up against Younis. It seemed very much like a passing comment if you listen to the podcast.

It didn't sound like he took it as "workplace violence" either, it was just something unpleasant that happened and everyone moved on. Obviously no one's life was in danger and it must have happened briefly in the heat of the moment.

 

[Hawkeye]

Best to hear YK’s account of events before we start bashing and attacking the victim.

Yeah but folks here have already made it sound very true and that it was real, i.e. in a threatening manner.

Grant seems to be adding masala to non issue, as yk was having breakfast and had something in his hand, came to him in a light mood or with just some banter.

 

[Titan24]

I think we're overanalyzing this. Grant Flower didn't say this as some sort of an "expose" or to have some massive conspiracy raised up against Younis. It seemed very much like a passing comment if you listen to the podcast.

It didn't sound like he took it as "workplace violence" either, it was just something unpleasant that happened and everyone moved on. Obviously no one's life was in danger and it must have happened briefly in the heat of the moment.

Agreed. Grant has given a passing comment but it has caused many to jump to conclusions too early in my opinion. Obviously he was on a podcast and would have been adding bit of drama and excitement to it but some on the thread have taken it too far against Younis without getting the complete picture of the things. Also Grant's statement which is quoted all around makes it sound like Younis was acting like psychopath and held him like a hostage with knife on his neck.

Off topic but controversies coming up and Pak UK tours go hand in hand on most occasions.

 

[ads101]

Yeah but folks here have already made it sound very true and that it was real, i.e. in a threatening manner.

Grant seems to be adding masala to non issue, as yk was having breakfast and had something in his hand, came to him in a light mood or with just some banter.

It was said that mickey had to intervene to calm things down. So I doubt it's banter. I've seen footage of that fan that YK dragged as well, it did not look good.

It's because he has a history, I'm kind of inclined to believe Grant. He's a great cricketer, but I don't think someone who's behaved like that should be appointed anywhere near coaching staff, even just based on that stuff against the fan.

 

[Hawkeye]

It was said that mickey had to intervene to calm things down. So I doubt it's banter. I've seen footage of that fan that YK dragged as well, it did not look good.

It's because he has a history, I'm kind of inclined to believe Grant. He's a great cricketer, but I don't think someone who's behaved like that should be appointed anywhere near coaching staff, even just based on that stuff against the fan.

I'm also inclined to believe it because of his history. However, he has to come out and explicitly say that yes it was in a threatening manner and not mere banter.

He hasn't said that yet.

 

[Saj]

Everything aside Grant Flower and Mickey Arther despite having knives at their throats and other things were still so keen on keep on working with Pakistan side and were hoping to get contract extension.

Where did Mickey Arthur say he had a knife to his throat?

 

[Saj]

It was said that mickey had to intervene to calm things down. So I doubt it's banter.

Exactly. The mere fact he had to intervene and calm Younis down shows it wasn't just banter.

 

[Saj]

I asked Mickey Arthur if it was just banter and a bit of fun. He said no it wasn't and the situation could have got worse if he had not intervened.

If someone has to break such a situation up and calm someone down that to me is not banter.

 

[Savak]

PCB has to back their employee and the guy who they are paying a lot of money too.

If it was all a joke, why did Mickey Arthur need to break it up and calm Younis down.

I strongly feel the PCB should sign non-disclosure agreements with its coaching staff that prohibits them from bad mouthing their former employers once they leave. It happens all over the world. Grant Flower is clearly looking for attention

 

[Usman]

I didnt talk about coaching credentials at all so I am not sure why are you quoting me. I clearly mentioned if what Grant is saying happened exactly like that then what Younis did was completely wrong.

My point is why it took him 4 years to speak up? Kindly read my post and discuss the points inside that.

You said in your post that Flower is "unprofessional to badmouth people" and that he was "fine with having knife at [his] throat when [he was] being paid well for 5 years". You have therefore painted Flower as some sort of sell out who was fine with being threatened with a knife as long as he was being paid. That is clearly discrediting him as a coach.

Perhaps you need to read and understand your own posts!

After discrediting Flower, you then say "Just to clarify I am not defending the behaviour of Younis". This is total rubbish. It's like when a racist says I'm not racist but...and then goes onto say a racist thing. Or when someone commits a crime and people discredit the victim.

The reality is the Flower probably didn't say anything out of wanting to protect Younus and Pakistani cricket. I don't agree with Flower doing this, as selfless as it was, as it allowed Younus to get aware with the completley indefensible. But Flower saved Younus from what would have likely been a lengthy ban and in the process, Flower saved Pakistan's test team. He should be applauded for his selflessness, not criticised for being a victim!

 

[Saj]

I strongly feel the PCB should sign non-disclosure agreements with its coaching staff that prohibits them from bad mouthing their former employers once they leave. It happens all over the world. Grant Flower is clearly looking for attention

I strongly feel the PCB should ensure players and coaches see pyschiatrists on a regular basis.

 

[Markhor]

I have to laugh at the two clowns on here suggesting Grant Flower went out of his way to badmouth Pakistan cricket.

I listened to the full podcast where he and his brother Andy talked to Neil Manthorp about a whole range of subjects, and the topic came onto coaching difficult characters.

Manthorp of course asked Andy Flower about KP, and then asked Grant if he handled any tricky characters in Pakistan to which Grant mentioned Younis Khan and Ahmed Shehzad.

It was one comment in an hour long podcast not some rehearsed diatribe. Believe me if Grant wanted to badmouth Pakistan cricket he'd have a long list of incidents he could've mentioned.

 

[Markhor]

Namak Haram individual Grant Flower. Happily accepted a pay cheque from the PCB for 5 long years when he should have been shown the door a long time ago and is now coming out with controversial statements afterwards

If you want to talk about Namak Harams how about your hero Shoaib Akhtar who would be a nobody without Pakistan cricket, yet since retirement has done nothing but slag off everyone involved in it on a third rate YouTube channel to appease Indian followers.

He even stoops so low to create fake dramas and incidents like the supposed "nobody would eat with Danish Kaneria" story that was a total fabrication, dragging Pakistan's name in the mud to maximise views.

And this despite all the times the PCB brought him back after various controversies like dope taking and assaulting teammates. A professional Board would've thrown his **** out years ago.

So shall we place an injunction on him or is it much easier to target someone who wasn't a phaast fake macho 100MPH fast bowler ?

 

[Titan24]

You said in your post that Flower is "unprofessional to badmouth people" and that he was "fine with having knife at [his] throat when [he was] being paid well for 5 years". You have therefore painted Flower as some sort of sell out who was fine with being threatened with a knife as long as he was being paid. That is clearly discrediting him as a coach.

Again how his coaching credentials come into play with that statement? I am not sure how are you relating two separate things. I didnt talk about his own record or his credentials as a coach.

I am painting him as a sell out? My point is I dont remember many people who keep on working in a place where knives are being put at your throat and people around you are so called psychopaths as many has implied on this thread.

Why did he keep on working with Pak team after that traumatizing event and was very much interested in a contract extension?

If we are saying that he wanted to save the image of the team, then what about know?

Perhaps you need to read and understand your own posts!

Perhaps you need to work on your analogies. Staying quiet to keep a job is no way related to anyone's coaching credentials.

After discrediting Flower, you then say "Just to clarify I am not defending the behaviour of Younis". This is total rubbish. It's like when a racist says I'm not racist but...and then goes onto say a racist thing. Or when someone commits a crime and people discredit the victim.

Lol! What? So in every situation only one person can be tagged as villain or wrong while other person has to be called a hero? Both were wrong, my problem is with people defending Grant Flower. Desperate attempts people make to appear as liberals is astonishing.

So Grant Flower was a gem of a person as he didnt want to tarnish Younis or Pakistan cricket team? So what happened now, why did gem lost its shine in a casual manner?

Questioning Grant Flower doesnt mean I am supportive of what Younis did based upon any theory (None of us knows the detail though). If there is some equation which says questioning someone means supporting Younis then kindly enlighten me.

The reality is the Flower probably didn't say anything out of wanting to protect Younus and Pakistani cricket. I don't agree with Flower doing this, as selfless as it was, as it allowed Younus to get aware with the completley indefensible. But Flower saved Younus from what would have likely been a lengthy ban and in the process, Flower saved Pakistan's test team. He should be applauded for his selflessness, not criticised for being a victim!

Lol! Again what can I say. So Younis and Pakistani cricket needed protection in 2016 but not now? What kind of logic is this? When someone doesnt want to share a secret then he doesnt share it, how difficult it is?

As I have mentioned before there are countless inside stories of dressing rooms and team meetings in every sport, if someone has any issue he needs to take it to the higher authority at the time of event. Sharing inside stories which can create controversies in a casual manner is unprofessional in my opinion. I am not sure many teams would appreciate having a coach who is gonna leak inside stories after his contract expires which can hurt someone's reputation.

Would love to hear a response trying to prove this this wasnt unprofessional and irresponsible from an ex batting coach to say such things in a podcast.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

When is YK coming out with his version - get your popcorn as this will end soon otherwise.

 

[Titan24]

I have to laugh at the two clowns on here suggesting Grant Flower went out of his way to badmouth Pakistan cricket.

I listened to the full podcast where he and his brother Andy talked to Neil Manthorp about a whole range of subjects, and the topic came onto coaching difficult characters.

Manthorp of course asked Andy Flower about KP, and then asked Grant if he handled any tricky characters in Pakistan to which Grant mentioned Younis Khan and Ahmed Shehzad.

It was one comment in an hour long podcast not some rehearsed diatribe. Believe me if Grant wanted to badmouth Pakistan cricket he'd have a long list of incidents he could've mentioned.

Its always better to discuss things in a respectable way, when you have to resort to name calling then remember that its time to take a moment to self reflect.

Podcast being an hour long and him talking about a lot of things doesn’t justify being irresponsible on a podcast. There are certain jobs where you have a lot of personal information, have witnessed incidents, kept secrets etc about individuals and you need to be responsible enough to be in those roles. You dont say such things in a casual manner, would have preferred if he went to PCB or even Police for that matter with evidence in 2016 if it was serious.

There is a place or a time to say certain things and unfortunately Grant didn’t select any of them correctly. Either it was serious or it wasnt, if it was then that was totally a wrong occasion to tell that someone held a knife to his throat.

 

[daytrader]

I pray that Allah keeps Misbah safe from YK. If they have a fallout, YK is a vindictive person and will stop at nothing to destroy Misbah's reputation and career.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Gee Whiz...what a stonker....if its true-sadly i loose respect for YK , as an indian fan i thought he was Pak's Rahul, i thought he was calm, dignified and role modelish....
on a lighter note, if i was a pak junior at the breakfast table, i'd be real jumpy everytime YK reached for a knife/fork/salt shaker etc...

 

[Saj]

When is YK coming out with his version - get your popcorn as this will end soon otherwise.

Usually if someone is annoyed about a fake story, they come out with a denial pretty quickly.

I don't think this is the type of thing that Grant Flower and Mickey Arthur would dream up.

 

[Executioner]

Saw this post on Pakpassion Facebook page.

This is a serious allegation mind you. Obviously we don't have the story from Younis Khan side but based on what Mickey Arthur said it appears pretty damning

 

[Hawkeye]

I pray that Allah keeps Misbah safe from YK. If they have a fallout, YK is a vindictive person and will stop at nothing to destroy Misbah's reputation and career.

That's true.

Younis is extremely toxic.

So far Misbah has handled him well but his toxicity has no bounds.

 

[Kroll]

That's like saying "what can Klopp teach Mo Salah".

Hmmm.

What some people fail to realise is that the coach is not only there to dispense technical advice.

But in addition to the mechanics, is there to also help the players with a whole host of soft skills to make them the best all rounded player they can be.

 

[Saj]

What some people fail to realise is that the coach is not only there to dispense technical advice.

But in addition to the mechanics, is there to also help the players with a whole host of soft skills to make them the best all rounded player they can be.

True.

But some don't take to advice from others and see it as interference.

 

[Kroll]

True.

But some don't take to advice from others and see it as interference.

As some western coaches have found out to their detriment.

 

[Zaz]

Id like to hear from younus Surely he wouldve wasted no time in defending a serious allegation such as this

 

[Bewal Express]

Its always better to discuss things in a respectable way, when you have to resort to name calling then remember that its time to take a moment to self reflect.

Podcast being an hour long and him talking about a lot of things doesn’t justify being irresponsible on a podcast. There are certain jobs where you have a lot of personal information, have witnessed incidents, kept secrets etc about individuals and you need to be responsible enough to be in those roles. You dont say such things in a casual manner, would have preferred if he went to PCB or even Police for that matter with evidence in 2016 if it was serious.

There is a place or a time to say certain things and unfortunately Grant didn’t select any of them correctly. Either it was serious or it wasnt, if it was then that was totally a wrong occasion to tell that someone held a knife to his throat.

The question is whether it's true or not, and that's the bit on here are avoiding. GF is not asking for compensation or getting him charged by the Police, so the timing is irrelevant. He has every right to tell his story and if YK feels hard done by or the GF context is wrong, he needs to say so. YK is a nutcase, and this behaviour is in character.

 

[Saj]

Its always better to discuss things in a respectable way, when you have to resort to name calling then remember that its time to take a moment to self reflect.

Says the person who was saying that Mickey Arthur was suggesting Younis held a knife to his throat too.

 

[Markhor]

Its always better to discuss things in a respectable way, when you have to resort to name calling then remember that its time to take a moment to self reflect.

Podcast being an hour long and him talking about a lot of things doesn’t justify being irresponsible on a podcast. There are certain jobs where you have a lot of personal information, have witnessed incidents, kept secrets etc about individuals and you need to be responsible enough to be in those roles. You dont say such things in a casual manner, would have preferred if he went to PCB or even Police for that matter with evidence in 2016 if it was serious.

There is a place or a time to say certain things and unfortunately Grant didn’t select any of them correctly. Either it was serious or it wasnt, if it was then that was totally a wrong occasion to tell that someone held a knife to his throat.

Firstly I wasn't referring to you, and secondly I'm amazed you're calling Grant Flower "irresponsible" when the story is Younis Khan pulling a knife on him.

Prolonging the argument any further is useless. Grant Flower is not subject to an NDA. He is not under contract with PCB.

He is entitled to speak his mind freely and is under no obligation to do Pakistan cricket any favours. And again, I'm sure Grant Flower could've mentioned many more incidents from his time as batting coach, probably half a dozen stories about Umar Akmal alone.

 

[Slog]

Firstly I wasn't referring to you, and secondly I'm amazed you're calling Grant Flower "irresponsible" when the story is Younis Khan pulling a knife on him.

Prolonging the argument any further is useless. Grant Flower is not subject to an NDA. He is not under contract with PCB.

He is entitled to speak his mind freely and is under no obligation to do Pakistan cricket any favours. And again, I'm sure Grant Flower could've mentioned many more incidents from his time as batting coach, probably half a dozen stories about Umar Akmal alone.

That’s true obv but only fishy thing is the timing and the fact that Younis has effectively taken Flowers job. So maybe an attempt to undermine

 

[Ami]

YK the legend ...lol
Yeh gardan mujay de de thakur!

 

[MenInG]

Mickey Arthur speaking on the issue to PakPassion:

"I dont think I have an axe to grind with Younis as I think he was very professional and I enjoyed working with him"

"However he was very temperamental, the players knew that, the coaches knew that, and poor old Grant was just trying to give him some advice at dinner, and it wasnt even advice - he was just talking about his feet movement- that's all"

"It got out of hand and it did happen"

"I saw it happen and as I said, I calmed it down and we moved on and it wasn't really spoken about again. It was just kind of left at that and I don't think their relation mended ever, they got on as much as they could"

"It did happen but it was dealt with there and then and left at that"

"We never made an issue out of it. I certainly didn't want to make an issue out of it - we kept it in-house and away from everbody - and the players on that tour did not even know about it"

 

[Bewal Express]

Mickey Arthur speaking on the issue to PakPassion:

"I dont think I have an axe to grind with Younis as I think he was very professional and I enjoyed working with him"

"However he was very temperamental, the players knew that, the coaches knew that, and poor old Grant was just trying to give him some advice at dinner, and it wasnt even advice - he was just talking about his feet movement- that's all"

"It got out of hand and it did happen"

"I saw it happen and as I said, I calmed it down and we moved on and it wasn't really spoken about again. It was just kind of left at that and I don't think their relation mended ever, they got on as much as they could"

"It did happen but it was dealt with there and then and left at that"

"We never made an issue out of it. I certainly didn't want to make an issue out of it - we kept it in-house and away from everbody - and the players on that tour did not even know about it"

Mickey showing how professional he was. It could have easily got out of house and out of their hands.

 

[Bewal Express]

Firstly I wasn't referring to you, and secondly I'm amazed you're calling Grant Flower "irresponsible" when the story is Younis Khan pulling a knife on him.

Prolonging the argument any further is useless. Grant Flower is not subject to an NDA. He is not under contract with PCB.

He is entitled to speak his mind freely and is under no obligation to do Pakistan cricket any favours. And again, I'm sure Grant Flower could've mentioned many more incidents from his time as batting coach, probably half a dozen stories about Umar Akmal alone.

Obviously it's GF fault that he had a knife waved at his throat. A more responsible person would have kept quiet to protect a total nutcase.

 

[Saj]

Grant Flower has sent a message to Younis Khan apologizing saying that it was never his intention to cause him any harm.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

From the people who are suggesting Flower revealed the knife incident at the 'wrong time', I would ask- what's the right time? When it happened? After the tour? One year later? Or shouldn't he have revealed it at all?

I personally don't think there's ever a right or wrong time. Instead, all of us, and not just public figures like YK, are accountable for our actions all the time. There may be a statue of limitation in law, but none as far as I know on public exposure of bad behaviour. And YK's was extremely poor behaviour if Grant and Arthur are to be believed.