Younis Khan should still be playing Test cricket

[khatri]

I think he was pushed out too early because of constant comparisons with Misbah. He was 5 years younger and many times better batsman then him with much life still left in him. I am sure he was pushed out by PCB and that is why he did not attend the recent farewell party. He is still needed in the test team as the current lot are not good enough and that includes Azhar Ali.

 

[big_gamer007]

Lmao why stop at Younis I would say Imran khan, Waseem Akram, Javed miandad, Waqar Younis, Saqlain, Shoaib all should be still playing..

 

[Big Mac]

Nah, we'd lose a test or two and suddenly there would be talk of sacking Sarfraz and replacing him with Younis and then we'd be back to the good old days where everybody in the team is fighting for the captaincy.

 

[CricFan2012]

Lmao why stop at Younis I would say Imran khan, Waseem Akram, Javed miandad, Waqar Younis, Saqlain, Shoaib all should be still playing..

and sarfaroz Nawaz bro, warrior of swing and Inzi bhai (nepotato)

 

[Abdul]

No thank you.

 

[MMHS]

I actually wanted YK to continue for an year, as Captain.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

No he shouldn’t.He made his choice.

 

[another drop catch]

what ? ? ?
younus khan seriously ? ? ?
instead play babar azam 100 tests continously

 

[cricketAXEpert]

YK is gone, no point in asking for him. The problem is poor selection, That includes Asad Shafiq he has not been performing for along time. He mostly hid behind MIsbah and Younis. But is now exposed, Babar Azam is failing in test cricket. Then the biggest blunder of all is Shan Masood (how in the world he got selected with an average of 24 ahead of Ahmed Shehzad an Average of over 40). Azhar Ali and Harris Sohail are just 2 batsmen we have, Sami Aslam is ok (he needs another chance). Shan Masood, Asad Shafiq and Babar Azam can all be dropped for Ahmed Shehzad, FAwad Alam and Usman Salahuddin (or Mohd Hafeez at # 6 )

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Pehle right players ko chance to do.

How will you get new performers if you will not even give them a chance. Haris Sohail wouldn't have been there if these two had not retired.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

A 42 year old was 'pushed out' too early?

 

[Syed1]

We are in this state because Younis and Misbah played well into their forties and over stayed their welcome. Had new youngsters been continually blooded in we wouldn't have a completely fresh side with their departure.

 

[htariq25]

Time to go to the "u know things are bad when..." thread

 

[Markhor]

Look they both had to retire at some point but I did say at the time that we should've staggered Younis and Misbah's retirements instead of both leaving at the same time.

Furthermore, I hope the bacha party on here who claimed we'd be "better off without" Younis and Misbah, who apparently were "selfishly hogging their places" now show their faces.

Some posters were adamant they be binned off so we could accommodate the likes of Salman Butt and Umar Akmal.

Well we're now struggling to reach 300 against a Sri Lanka side that were recently whitewashed 9-0 at home so how's that argument working out ?

 

[Wristy_Shuffler]

To be fair, Younus and Misbah left at the right time. The first series for a new line up against a newish SL side, low on confidence and in Pakistan's 'home' conditions. If YK had played and played well, then he would have had a couple of mammoth tons resulting in draws or wins for Pakistan and people here would be moaning about how this would have been the perfect tour to try new batsmen or a team without Misbah and YK.

 

[Markhor]

We are in this state because Younis and Misbah played well into their forties and over stayed their welcome. Had new youngsters been continually blooded in we wouldn't have a completely fresh side with their departure.

LOL so Younis and Misbah aren't here but they're still to blame for these defeats. Wow, I wonder when the blame game will ever stop.

If those guys didn't play into their forties - we wouldn't have drawn in England or won in the West Indies. Remind me which Pakistani batsmen were the top scorers in those two series ?

The moment they go we lose our UAE record. Geez I wonder if there's a correlation ?!

 

[Syed1]

LOL so Younis and Misbah aren't here but they're still to blame for these defeats. Wow, I wonder when the blame game will ever stop.

If those guys didn't play into their forties - we wouldn't have drawn in England or won in the West Indies. Remind me which Pakistani batsmen were the top scorers in those two series ?

The moment they go we lose our UAE record. Geez I wonder if there's a correlation ?!

Conveniently forgot to mention how we drew against Zimbabwe... got blanked against worst ever Aussie side and lost against NZ for the first time in 31 years. But sure.... we are really missing MisYou

 

[The_Odd_One]

We are in this state because Younis and Misbah played well into their forties and over stayed their welcome. Had new youngsters been continually blooded in we wouldn't have a completely fresh side with their departure.

Younis and Misbah occupied just 2 spots in the lineup. There are 5 other batsmen, just so you know.

 

[Big Mac]

Younis and Misbah occupied just 2 spots in the lineup. There are 5 other batsmen, just so you know.

Yeah but Misbah told all the youngsters they weren't allowed to score runs or something and now this is the result.

 

[Markhor]

Conveniently forgot to mention how we drew against Zimbabwe... got blanked against worst ever Aussie side and lost against NZ for the first time in 31 years. But sure.... we are really missing MisYou

We lost to Zimbabwe in the 90s and to Ireland in the 2007 WC - these shock results are always in the Pakistani DNA. That same 2013 Zimbabwe series Younis Khan scored a double ton to win us a Test so quite silly to attack their performance on that tour.

But yes, let's ignore the contributions both made to beat England twice in 2012 and 2015 without losing a Test, lets ignore whitewashing Australia in 2014, lets ignore Younis Khan getting up from a hospital bed with Dengue Fever to score a hundred just DAYS later versus the West Indies last year, lets ignore beating Sri Lanka away in 2015 including a RECORD 4th innings chase thanks to these two, lets ignore drawing IN England when everyone wrote us off and lets ignore winning in the Caribbean for the first time in our history.

BTW we beat New Zealand away in 2011 but obviously one resorts to selective memory to justify a weak argument.

They scored a combined total of around 15,000 runs, were our MOST productive partnership in our Test history averaging 70 and helped us reach #1 in Test rankings. But yeah, they held us back. What nonsense !

Amazing how ungrateful and unappreciative the Pakistani quam can be.

 

[Syed1]

We lost to Zimbabwe in the 90s and to Ireland in the 2007 WC - these shock results are always in the Pakistani DNA. That same 2013 Zimbabwe series Younis Khan scored a double ton to win us a Test so quite silly to attack their performance on that tour.

But yes, let's ignore the contributions both made to beat England twice in 2012 and 2015 without losing a Test, lets ignore whitewashing Australia in 2014, lets ignore Younis Khan getting up from a hospital bed with Dengue Fever to score a hundred just DAYS later versus the West Indies last year, lets ignore beating Sri Lanka away in 2015 including a RECORD 4th innings chase, lets ignore drawing to England when everyone wrote us off and lets ignore winning in the Caribbean for the first time in our history.

BTW we beat New Zealand away in 2011 but obviously one resorts to selective memory to justify a weak argument.

They scored a combined total of around 15,000 runs, were our MOST productive partnership in our Test history averaging 70 and helped us reach #1 in Test rankings. But yeah, they held us back. What nonsense !

Amazing how ungrateful and unappreciative the Pakistani quam can be.

The biggest disservice to Younis Khan any fan can do is to clump him with a mediocre batsman like Misbah ul Haq. If YK is Sachin then Misbah is Dinesh Mongia. There is no comparison. YK is an ATG batsman, while Misbah is not even a great let alone an ATG.

My post was more regards to Misbah's captaincy and how his fans like you are claiming was one of our greatest captain ever when he hardly have any achievements to show for it.

 

[khatri]

Exactly my point. Misbah at 42 did overstay his welcome. All the clamour for his departure for some reason included yunis who at 37 could easily have played a year or two more.

 

[Markhor]

The biggest disservice to Younis Khan any fan can do is to clump him with a mediocre batsman like Misbah ul Haq. If YK is Sachin then Misbah is Dinesh Mongia. There is no comparison. YK is an ATG batsman, while Misbah is not even a great let alone an ATG.

My post was more regards to Misbah's captaincy and how his fans like you are claiming was one of our greatest captain ever when he hardly have any achievements to show for it.

Nice way to shift the goalposts. I thought we were discussing Younis and Misbah's contributions as players but instead you want to debate Misbah's captaincy.

And even if you want to debate Misbah's captaincy - at least we didn't lose any Test series in the UAE in his tenure so I don't think you want to pursue that line of argument.

To again answer your original question:

We are in this state because Younis and Misbah played well into their forties and over stayed their welcome. Had new youngsters been continually blooded in we wouldn't have a completely fresh side with their departure.

We are in this state because the captain and coach (who I both support strongly BTW - although you are completely unwilling to criticise Sarfraz it seems) botched their team selections and bowling strategy. Their replacements like Babar and Shafiq totally bombed under the additional responsibility.

At what point do we stop blaming Younis and Misbah and actually focus on the guys who are making the decisions now ?

 

[hafizexpress]

Nice way to shift the goalposts. I thought we were discussing Younis and Misbah's contributions as players but instead you want to debate Misbah's captaincy.

And even if you want to debate Misbah's captaincy - at least we didn't lose any Test series in the UAE in his tenure so I don't think you want to pursue that line of argument.

To again answer your original question:



We are in this state because the captain and coach (who I both support strongly BTW - although you are completely unwilling to criticise Sarfraz it seems) botched their team selections and bowling strategy. Their replacements like Babar and Shafiq totally bombed under the additional responsibility.

At what point do we stop blaming Younis and Misbah and actually focus on the guys who are making the decisions now ?

Wonderful arguments

 

[Slog]

LOL so Younis and Misbah aren't here but they're still to blame for these defeats. Wow, I wonder when the blame game will ever stop.

If those guys didn't play into their forties - we wouldn't have drawn in England or won in the West Indies. Remind me which Pakistani batsmen were the top scorers in those two series ?

The moment they go we lose our UAE record. Geez I wonder if there's a correlation ?!

There is NO correlation

With the tactics we would have lost even with those two.

Even last year against an even worse WI we barely got over the line

 

[Markhor]

There is NO correlation

With the tactics we would have lost even with those two.

Even last year against an even worse WI we barely got over the line

I'm sure had those two been playing we wouldn't have been struggling to cross 300 against a Sri Lankan attack that India were scoring runs for fun against in their backyard.

As for the WI series - I've addressed this in another thread. We dispatched them comfortably in the first two Tests, including the Dubai Test where people were freaking out for no reason, unless you actually thought West Indies were going to chase down 357 on the 5th Day of a Test in Asia ?

 

[Slog]

I'm sure had those two been playing we wouldn't have been struggling to cross 300 against a Sri Lankan attack that India were scoring runs for fun against in their backyard.

As for the WI series - I've addressed this in another thread. We dispatched them comfortably in the first two Tests, including the Dubai Test where people were freaking out for no reason, unless you actually thought West Indies were going to chase down 357 on the 5th Day of a Test in Asia ?

Yes. Misbah has been on the wane for quite some time and his output was fairly poor for a while

And Younis had a history of falling if others around him are losing their heads.

We didnt despatch them comfortably. You are making things up. It was the NARROWEST win margin by us in UAE ever. And with not many runs remaining they had a 4 wickets or so to go. Also we got out for 120 odd. You are straight up lying if you say it was a comfortable win

 

[Hasan123]

YK is a legend but we had to move on.

 

[Ahmed4472]

Those who think Younis was 5 years younger than Misbah and/or was 37 years old when he retired needs to watch his interview with Wasim Akram. He was easily into early 40s and maybe even older than Misbah

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I actually wanted YK to continue for an year, as Captain.

Me too. And wanted Azhar to take over from him. Yk can instill a more aggressive approach compared to Misbah and Azhar who is as timid as Misbah will learn from yk.

 

[mueez14]

Yeah.. and sanga and mahela should still be playing for lanka.. and ponting, shane warne, hussey and gilchrist should still be in aus.. cz they are also struggling.. and grant flower and andy flower should still be playing for zim..they are also struggling after them..mccullum and fleming should be in NZ still.. same story there

 

[shaaik]

Nice way to shift the goalposts. I thought we were discussing Younis and Misbah's contributions as players but instead you want to debate Misbah's captaincy.

And even if you want to debate Misbah's captaincy - at least we didn't lose any Test series in the UAE in his tenure so I don't think you want to pursue that line of argument.

To again answer your original question:

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We are in this state because the captain and coach (who I both support strongly BTW - although you are completely unwilling to criticise Sarfraz it seems) botched their team selections and bowling strategy. Their replacements like Babar and Shafiq totally bombed under the additional responsibility.

At what point do we stop blaming Younis and Misbah and actually focus on the guys who are making the decisions now ?

This is how we Pakistani fans have always been. We would hype our players to the moon and back and the moment things don’t go our way we would leave no stone unturned to critize them. We fans are exactly like our team, one day over the moon and beneath the earth the very next day. However, having said all this, only we fans can relate to the excitement and anguish that is Pakistan Cricket. Pakistan cricket is not for chicken hearts, it takes nerves of steel to be a fan of Pakistan. Just look at the test match we have on hand who on earth would have expected that Pakistan would make such a grand come back after conceding a lead of 220 runs in the first innings and give themselves at least a half chance to level the series and continue the streak of not losing a series in UAE. You just can’t write this team of ever no matter what.

 

[shaz619]

We lost to Zimbabwe in the 90s and to Ireland in the 2007 WC - these shock results are always in the Pakistani DNA. That same 2013 Zimbabwe series Younis Khan scored a double ton to win us a Test so quite silly to attack their performance on that tour.

But yes, let's ignore the contributions both made to beat England twice in 2012 and 2015 without losing a Test, lets ignore whitewashing Australia in 2014, lets ignore Younis Khan getting up from a hospital bed with Dengue Fever to score a hundred just DAYS later versus the West Indies last year, lets ignore beating Sri Lanka away in 2015 including a RECORD 4th innings chase thanks to these two, lets ignore drawing IN England when everyone wrote us off and lets ignore winning in the Caribbean for the first time in our history.

BTW we beat New Zealand away in 2011 but obviously one resorts to selective memory to justify a weak argument.

They scored a combined total of around 15,000 runs, were our MOST productive partnership in our Test history averaging 70 and helped us reach #1 in Test rankings. But yeah, they held us back. What nonsense !

Amazing how ungrateful and unappreciative the Pakistani quam can be.

This is also why Pakistani's deserve the likes of Nawa Sharif. Ungrateful bacha party always put the devils on a pedestal and make an enemy out of those who do good.

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION]

 

[Bilal7]

Yes, yes. Go ahead and cry about it now. When they were here and saving our collective bums time and time again, no one appreciated it and you guys were impatient about "youngsters" replacing them.

Younis Khan timed his retirement perfectly. First he scored a superb double ton and helped Pakistan reach the #1 ranking. Then he scored a brilliant century in Australia and after helping us win our first series in West Indies, hung up his legendary boots.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I am of the same opinion.

Younis Khan retired early from test cricket.

But I also understand that Pak team must move on.