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Your all time XI for Pakistan in T20Is

DeadlyVenom said:
I would take them over Imran Nazir and Kamran. Those are the only two contenders for opener slot and WK in ATG line up for now.

I guess you could move Afridi and Hafeez to opener and then slot Fakhar and Sarfraz into the side as an option too.
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I would never take two components that already handicap your side's opportunity to compete in all situations. Babar and Rizwan are defintetly two of those components.
 
Personally, I think it’s unfair taking averages and strike rates for players who probably never played a game of T20 before making their International debuts and comparing it to players who probably played more T20’s than FC cricket before their international debuts.

@DeadlyVenom

Chacha averages 24, would we pick him over Afridi who averages 18 with bat?

Khushdil has better stats than Afridi the bowler, do we pick him ahead of Afridi?
 
1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imran Nazir
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Umar Akmal (wk)
5. Shahid Afridi (c)
6. Imad Wasim
7. Abdul Razzaq
8. Umar Gul
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Haris Rauf
11. Saeed Ajmal

I hate Umar Akmal but he was a fantastic T20 player at his peak.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Personally, I think it’s unfair taking averages and strike rates for players who probably never played a game of T20 before making their International debuts and comparing it to players who probably played more T20’s than FC cricket before their international debuts.

@DeadlyVenom

Chacha averages 24, would we pick him over Afridi who averages 18 with bat?

Khushdil has better stats than Afridi the bowler, do we pick him ahead of Afridi?
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Those players were also playing against players that hadn't played much T20. The openers cupboard for Pakistani players is very bare. This doesn't make Babar and Rizwan great players but I think they have done more in t20i than Kamran or Imran Nazir who are their only competition.

Afridi is one of the greatest t20 players of all time - I don't see any comparison with Ifti or Khushdil who not played much cricket in comparison and have not achieved anything remotely close to Afridi. I have him as captain in my Pak t20i lineup.

Pakistan mainly has ATG level bowlers and all rounders in this format. The batting isn't great across any of the eras.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
If Babar and Rizwan retire now I think they can still make an ATG XI due to lack of other options in opener slot ( you can blame them for that but it's the reality)

I'd still take Rizwan over Kamran and Babar has done well in patches.

However their stubbornness and failure to adapt means that it won't take much for another opener to remove them from the line up.

Hopefully Saim and Haris can do it.
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to be honest, we dont have a t20 legacy to make an all time t20 team. And making a team is very complicated. Like Umar Gul had a patch from 2009 till 2012 in t20 cricket, he will walk in, but people will have issues with Misbah , even though he was no. 1 ranked in t20 at a time.

Thus i believe when making a t20 all time 11 for Pakistan, you need to mention the players era aswell which era player we taking in to give more context.

Another issue is the bowling aspect aswell. Umar Gul walks in, but no other pacer can walk into the t20 team. Amir and Asif i wont consider as they were corrupt players that fixed. Akhtar never played a World T20 aswell. Same issue with spinners as Ajmal was a chucker.

But if there is no trolling, i think it can be a good discussion, will try to put up an 11 tonight.

But i also want to think how can Arafat or Tanvir be fitted since they were T20 mercenaries during their whole career.
 
Man its sad that while we would argue over the batters, our pacers apart from Gul have done nothing to warrant a spot in the all time t20 team. That is very concerning.
@Rana what do you think on a serious note regarding the pacers and spinner aspect when it comes to the T20 All time of Pakistan?

Because when we add Gul, you cant add Razzaq cause you need a new ball pacer. Gul is someone whose 3 overs atleast go in death overs for the reverse he got in t20
 
Major said:
to be honest, we dont have a t20 legacy to make an all time t20 team. And making a team is very complicated. Like Umar Gul had a patch from 2009 till 2012 in t20 cricket, he will walk in, but people will have issues with Misbah , even though he was no. 1 ranked in t20 at a time.

Thus i believe when making a t20 all time 11 for Pakistan, you need to mention the players era aswell which era player we taking in to give more context.

Another issue is the bowling aspect aswell. Umar Gul walks in, but no other pacer can walk into the t20 team. Amir and Asif i wont consider as they were corrupt players that fixed. Akhtar never played a World T20 aswell. Same issue with spinners as Ajmal was a chucker.

But if there is no trolling, i think it can be a good discussion, will try to put up an 11 tonight.

But i also want to think how can Arafat or Tanvir be fitted since they were T20 mercenaries during their whole career.
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I think Amir is miles ahead of any other pacer across their T20 careers so walks in alongside Gul.

I put Misbah in too btw. Will get trolled for hit but the way he hit in the first T20 world cup (apart from one ball against Sharma) is something no other Pak player has done since across a world cup.
 
1 Rizwan
2 Babar
3 Imran Nazir
4 Hafeez
5 Malik
6 Misbah
7 Afridi
8 Razzaq
9 Gul
10Shaheen
11Aamer

Left Ajju out because of his action. This line up will make all opposition teams sweat. Gun top 3, class of Babar and Rizwan with the explosive Imran Nazir. Can expect 60/1 on average in the powerplay with those 3. Hafeez Malik and Misbah as the middle order - I picked Misbah on his peak and could switch with Malik if required. Afridi is arguably GOAT T20 player and with him and Razzler we are looking at 60 off the last 5 overs. Aamer Shaheen Gul can blow away opposition. This team might be the best T20 XI AT if we put them head to head against Indian or Australian AT 11.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I think Amir is miles ahead of any other pacer across their T20 careers so walks in alongside Gul.

I put Misbah in too btw. Will get trolled for hit but the way he hit in the first T20 world cup (apart from one ball against Sharma) is something no other Pak player has done since across a world cup.
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for me Amir gets disqualified along with Asif for the fixing factor. Or else Asifs spell in the World T20 2007 was one of the best pace bowling we had seen. Especially during the India matches
 
Major said:
Man its sad that while we would argue over the batters, our pacers apart from Gul have done nothing to warrant a spot in the all time t20 team. That is very concerning.
@Rana what do you think on a serious note regarding the pacers and spinner aspect when it comes to the T20 All time of Pakistan?

Because when we add Gul, you cant add Razzaq cause you need a new ball pacer. Gul is someone whose 3 overs atleast go in death overs for the reverse he got in t20
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Well, Gul gets in as the specialist death bowler and Razzaq gets in because of the dangerous element of his batting more than his bowling. He is one of the most fiercest ball strikers against both pace and spin in Pakistan history, especially of the old ball. You overlook his bowling pace/liability on such occasions. He cannot be left out at any cost. You do not have a batter of his mould in your nation's history for the role he can offer with clarity and a proper base.

Pakistan have had good T20 pacers in guys like Amir, Sohail Tanvir, Azhar Mahmood...to some extent Harris Rauf the death bowler. Rana Naved an under-utilised skilled pacer for T20s as well.

I havent added Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Sami or Wahab Riaz (3 of the fastest, express pacers for Pakistan in the last two decades), although you could make a case of peak Shoaib Akhtar (1999-2005) to be a spearhead seamer for a couple in the powerplay and a couple at the death. Remember, there is a stat that 3 wickets in the powerplay more often than not results in a team victory, you can give yourself a good chance with someone like Akhtar who will produce wicket taking deliveries in his opening burst even though it might come at the expense of some runs.
 
Rana said:
Well, Gul gets in as the specialist death bowler and Razzaq gets in because of the dangerous element of his batting more than his bowling. He is one of the most fiercest ball strikers against both pace and spin in Pakistan history, especially of the old ball. You overlook his bowling pace/liability on such occasions. He cannot be left out at any cost. You do not have a batter of his mould in your nation's history for the role he can offer with clarity and a proper base.

Pakistan have had good T20 pacers in guys like Amir, Sohail Tanvir, Azhar Mahmood...to some extent Harris Rauf the death bowler. Rana Naved an under-utilised skilled pacer for T20s as well.

I havent added Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Sami or Wahab Riaz (3 of the fastest, express pacers for Pakistan in the last two decades), although you could make a case of peak Shoaib Akhtar (1999-2005) to be a spearhead seamer for a couple in the powerplay and a couple at the death. Remember, there is a stat that 3 wickets in the powerplay more often than not results in a team victory, you can give yourself a good chance with someone like Akhtar who will produce wicket taking deliveries in his opening burst even though it might come at the expense of some runs.
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Not sure we can consider Akhtar given he barely played T20I although I do agree on the premise
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Not sure we can consider Akhtar given he barely played T20I although I do agree on the premise
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Its like one of those things, if its his day the guy will run through your top order, or he might get belted for 50 in his 4 overs. I am willing to take the risk of 50 runs as long as I know my batters are there to inflict equal damage to the opponent's spearhead.
 
Rana said:
Well, Gul gets in as the specialist death bowler and Razzaq gets in because of the dangerous element of his batting more than his bowling. He is one of the most fiercest ball strikers against both pace and spin in Pakistan history, especially of the old ball. You overlook his bowling pace/liability on such occasions. He cannot be left out at any cost. You do not have a batter of his mould in your nation's history for the role he can offer with clarity and a proper base.

Pakistan have had good T20 pacers in guys like Amir, Sohail Tanvir, Azhar Mahmood...to some extent Harris Rauf the death bowler. Rana Naved an under-utilised skilled pacer for T20s as well.

I havent added Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Sami or Wahab Riaz (3 of the fastest, express pacers for Pakistan in the last two decades), although you could make a case of peak Shoaib Akhtar (1999-2005) to be a spearhead seamer for a couple in the powerplay and a couple at the death. Remember, there is a stat that 3 wickets in the powerplay more often than not results in a team victory, you can give yourself a good chance with someone like Akhtar who will produce wicket taking deliveries in his opening burst even though it might come at the expense of some runs.
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Look I agree Akhtar should had been there, and im saying this on the basis of his IPL 2008 match vs DD. But the issue it cannot be justified as he never played a World T20.

People talk about Amir, but they need to watch Asif's bowling against India in the World T20 2007, but i apply the fixing filter on both of them.

So if I take out Amir and Asif and Ajmal, than we dont get much options.

Sami is a very good mention and he completely missed out from my mind. I believe Sami could had been a great t20 bowler. He was actually very good for 4 overs cricket. Sami i think can be made a case for, because based on the visuals he was a very good top of the mark t20 bowler.

Rana Naveed i dont really remember so cant say much.

Sohail Tanvir was a t20 mercenary. Tanvir is someone I would want, but would need to jog down memory lane that what else he did apart from the World T20 2007 and IPL 2008. He was having a good career but the injuries put a stop on him after 2010.

What about spinners?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He has a very poor record in ACC/ICC tournaments though.

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The SR is criminal.
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SR is definitely on the lower end but a number of matches were in USA/West Indies on pitches where 120-130 was a good score so must be seen in context. Kami has a similar SR although I will give him a bit of era bonus as he stopped playing a decade ago.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Not sure we can consider Akhtar given he barely played T20I although I do agree on the premise
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Oh man, Akhtar is such a dilemma here. Like you want to include him cause you know he is just better than everyone else. I still remember that Ipl 2008 match against DD.... Its a shame what this guy did with his career that he couldnt play a world t20.

I think leverage can be given to him if we are not to consider Amir and Asif. Cause everyone has an idea that Akhtar is that bowler that could had been a beast in t20.

But Sami should also not be overlooked
 
Major said:
but they need to watch Asif's bowling against India in the World T20 2007, but i apply the fixing filter on both of them
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He is a good bowler for such conditions, and is ok for franchise cricket but is a very risky bowler for conditions that may not suit him due to his lack of pace. Asif played the whole season of IPL with a retired McGrath on the other end, and McGrath clearly outbowled him on tough bowling pitches. He was a great Test bowler and a good bowler for ODI's, but he would eventually have been sidelined in T20 had he not been banned.
 
T20 has evolved so much from 2007 to 2025 that it is difficult to rate players. Would Asif be successful in 2025? I very much doubt it for the reasons Rana mentions.
 
I would slot in Hassan Nawaz Muhammad Haris and Khalid latif and Sohaib Maqsood too. Irregardless of the matches played
 
Rana said:
He is a good bowler for such conditions, and is ok for franchise cricket but is a very risky bowler for conditions that may not suit him due to his lack of pace. Asif played the whole season of IPL with a retired McGrath on the other end, and McGrath clearly outbowled him on tough bowling pitches. He was a great Test bowler and a good bowler for ODI's, but he would eventually have been sidelined in T20 had he not been banned.
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DD made a mistake by getting both of them. DD would had been better off had they kept only one of such bowlers. Because I remember RR had no other bowler than Tanvir and would had been better team had they been given Asif or McGrath.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Wow Babar's stats are shocking. Thanks bro for taking the effort.
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Asif Ali really saved our behinds in that one world cup that made Babar and Rizwan heroes.

In fact after looking at the stats I am inclined to modify my side and exclude them.
 
cricfan432 said:
I would slot in Hassan Nawaz Muhammad Haris and Khalid latif and Sohaib Maqsood too. Irregardless of the matches played
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In an AT 11? Is this a serious post?
DeadlyVenom said:
Asif Ali really saved our behinds in that one world cup that made Babar and Rizwan heroes.

In fact after looking at the stats I am inclined to modify my side and exclude them.
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Rizwan is a keeper, we can cut him more slack. Babar's stats are underwhelming yes and Hafeez's as well for that matter.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Asif Ali really saved our behinds in that one world cup that made Babar and Rizwan heroes.

In fact after looking at the stats I am inclined to modify my side and exclude them.
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YOu can either have Afridi or Asif Ali and not both. Afridi gets in due to the bowling factor aswell and dont forget his fielding
 
When it comes to ATG T20, the Babar and Rizwan issue is geniune. You cant have both in the team. You can have either one. But than another issue arises that Pakistan never had a good keeper in t20 and that gives Rizwan an edge. However Babar has a very high batting avg in t20 that you cannot ignore aswell.
 
Major said:
YOu can either have Afridi or Asif Ali and not both. Afridi gets in due to the bowling factor aswell and dont forget his fielding
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This is a fair point. Asif Ali has made his career very difficult for himself by not adding anything besides the potential of coming off and looking glorious. This is why he may have been better suited to try his hand as an opener in the powerplay and at least give himself the best chance to inflict as much damage as he possibly can with only two fielders outside, instead of having to go all out with 5 in catching positions. Its worth taking a punt with him as your tonker, opener but then yes, as a lower order hitter you have to be of that level of Miller, Tim David or livingstone who you know are assured and confident at their role. Asif Ali never confirmed this assurety about himself even though he had the perfect opportunity to establish it on the back of the 2021wc
 
Major said:
When it comes to ATG T20, the Babar and Rizwan issue is geniune. You cant have both in the team. You can have either one. But than another issue arises that Pakistan never had a good keeper in t20 and that gives Rizwan an edge. However Babar has a very high batting avg in t20 that you cannot ignore aswell.
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There's no way Rizwan misses out from the team not when the replacements are Sarfaraz and Kami. It's not like we have Gilchrist and ABD as replacements to even think about leaving Rizwan out. Babar with his tournament stats is disappointing I agree but his overall body of work as one of the most successful openers is hard to ignore. Fakhar has nowhere near good stats.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
There's no way Rizwan misses out from the team not when the replacements are Sarfaraz and Kami. It's not like we have Gilchrist and ABD as replacements to even think about leaving Rizwan out. Babar with his tournament stats is disappointing I agree but his overall body of work as one of the most successful openers is hard to ignore. Fakhar has nowhere near good stats.
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Issue is you cant have both babar and rizwan in the ATG list.

You need to keep one of them.
 
Major said:
Issue is you cant have both babar and rizwan in the ATG list.

You need to keep one of them.
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You can split them if needed but no reason to leave them out. Have Nazir or even Afridi opening with one of Rizbar and the other at 3.
 
Rana said:
This is a fair point. Asif Ali has made his career very difficult for himself by not adding anything besides the potential of coming off and looking glorious. This is why he may have been better suited to try his hand as an opener in the powerplay and at least give himself the best chance to inflict as much damage as he possibly can with only two fielders outside, instead of having to go all out with 5 in catching positions. Its worth taking a punt with him as your tonker, opener but then yes, as a lower order hitter you have to be of that level of Miller, Tim David or livingstone who you know are assured and confident at their role. Asif Ali never confirmed this assurety about himself even though he had the perfect opportunity to establish it on the back of the 2021wc
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Any other team, Asif Ali would had been an international star. We did the typical thing with him who he is a hitter, chalo jee no.6 per aja.

His hitting was better than Afridi. Its just that as you said he never developed other aspect of his game to keep him in the team.

Pakistan could had destroyed Rinku Singh if we had him, and i saw Asif as a Rinku Singh type batter.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
You can split them if needed but no reason to leave them out. Have Nazir or even Afridi opening with one of Rizbar and the other at 3.
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hmm on further inspection of the batting list i think you are right about Rizwan anad babar, the batting list is very bad.

I would never add Malik
 
t20 15 squad atg for PK

1) Imran Nazir
2) Saim Ayub
3) Fakhar Zaman
4) Sharjeel Khan
5) Shahid Afridi
6) Muhammad Hafeez
7) Sohaib Malik
8) Sarfaraz Ahmed (He will be captain)
9) Imad Wasim
10) Umar Akmal
11) Kamran Akmal
12) Umar Gul
13) Sohail Tanvir
14) Amir
15) Shaheen Shah Afridi

Replacements

16) Younis Khan (Not an good t20 batsmen, but should replace Sarfi if injured)
17) Saeed Ajmal( just an Honorable mention, he's a chucker but if chuck ajmal is allowed them I'd happily take him over Imad Wasim)
 
mominsaigol said:
t20 15 squad atg for PK

1) Imran Nazir
2) Saim Ayub
3) Fakhar Zaman
4) Sharjeel Khan
5) Shahid Afridi
6) Muhammad Hafeez
7) Sohaib Malik
8) Sarfaraz Ahmed (He will be captain)
9) Imad Wasim
10) Umar Akmal
11) Kamran Akmal
12) Umar Gul
13) Sohail Tanvir
14) Amir
15) Shaheen Shah Afridi

Replacements

16) Younis Khan (Not an good t20 batsmen, but should replace Sarfi if injured)
17) Saeed Ajmal( just an Honorable mention, he's a chucker but if chuck ajmal is allowed them I'd happily take him over Imad Wasim)
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Ideally though the playing 11 should be

1) Sharjeel Khan
2) Imran Nazir
3) Umar Akmal
4) Muhammad Hafeez
5) Sarfaraz Ahmed
6) Sohaib Malik
7) Imad Wasim
8) Umar Gul
9) Sohail Tanvir
10) Shaheen Shah Afridi
11) Amir
 
mominsaigol said:
t20 15 squad atg for PK

1) Imran Nazir
2) Saim Ayub
3) Fakhar Zaman
4) Sharjeel Khan
5) Shahid Afridi
6) Muhammad Hafeez
7) Sohaib Malik
8) Sarfaraz Ahmed (He will be captain)
9) Imad Wasim
10) Umar Akmal
11) Kamran Akmal
12) Umar Gul
13) Sohail Tanvir
14) Amir
15) Shaheen Shah Afridi

Replacements

16) Younis Khan (Not an good t20 batsmen, but should replace Sarfi if injured)
17) Saeed Ajmal( just an Honorable mention, he's a chucker but if chuck ajmal is allowed them I'd happily take him over Imad Wasim)
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mominsaigol said:
Ideally though the playing 11 should be

1) Sharjeel Khan
2) Imran Nazir
3) Umar Akmal
4) Muhammad Hafeez
5) Sarfaraz Ahmed
6) Sohaib Malik
7) Imad Wasim
8) Umar Gul
9) Sohail Tanvir
10) Shaheen Shah Afridi
11) Amir
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Sharjeel Khan with his 22 average and 18 innings should be an automatic starter for a World 11 tbh
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Sharjeel Khan with his 22 average and 18 innings should be an automatic starter for a World 11 tbh
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Their is no point arguing with you because you won't understand.

Anyway you got us all locked out of the previous thread, so before you get us all restricted or Banned, I think I should put you back on my ignore list.

The only issue with ignore lists is that it's distracting and that show ignore comments keeps getting in the way but I'll make do.

I haven't even been on PP today, but unfortunately the moment I log on I have to deal with you 😭😭
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
In an AT 11? Is this a serious post?

Rizwan is a keeper, we can cut him more slack. Babar's stats are underwhelming yes and Hafeez's as well for that matter
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Better than all statpadders except hafeez in last phase of his career shahid afridi umar akmal abdul razzaq.
 
mominsaigol said:
Ideally though the playing 11 should be

1) Sharjeel Khan
2) Imran Nazir
3) Umar Akmal
4) Muhammad Hafeez
5) Sarfaraz Ahmed
6) Sohaib Malik
7) Imad Wasim
8) Umar Gul
9) Sohail Tanvir
10) Shaheen Shah Afridi
11) Amir
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Actually I change my mind, this should be our playing 11

1) Sharjeel Khan
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Umar Akmal
4) Muhammad Hafeez
5) Sarfaraz Ahmed
6) Imad Wasim
7) Shahid Afridi
8) umar gul
9) Sohail Tanvir
10) Shaheen Shah Afridi
11) Amir

Swap malik for Afridi
 
mominsaigol said:
Actually I change my mind, this should be our playing 11

1) Sharjeel Khan
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Umar Akmal
4) Muhammad Hafeez
5) Sarfaraz Ahmed
6) Imad Wasim
7) Shahid Afridi
8) umar gul
9) Sohail Tanvir
10) Shaheen Shah Afridi
11) Amir

Swap malik for Afridi
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Both our openers would average 22 - expecting likes of Cummins and Bhumrah to shake in their boots especially with GOAT Sarfi in middle order
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Both our openers would average 22 - expecting likes of Cummins and Bhumrah to shake in their boots especially with GOAT Sarfi in middle order
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Pakistan has not been blessed with a star studded t20 side since its inception. This is the best possible side as you can either go big or go home. And that's how t20 is played.

As for Bumrah and Cummins, They own everybody, Cummins is a world class bowling allrounder who granted is below Pollock but he would make Pollock proud and Bumrah is the best t20 bowler of all time and overall top 15 best odi and test bowlers.

Go ahead and put Babar and Rizwan in this lineup lol, you've seen their recent halat. Anyone can chase 200+ if you're dealing with rubbish bowling like sa d. Heck hasan nawaz managed to do so against a pretty competent bowling lineup
 
mominsaigol said:
Pakistan has not been blessed with a star studded t20 side since its inception. This is the best possible side as you can either go big or go home. And that's how t20 is played.

As for Bumrah and Cummins, They own everybody, Cummins is a world class bowling allrounder who granted is below Pollock but he would make Pollock proud and Bumrah is the best t20 bowler of all time and overall top 15 best odi and test bowlers.

Go ahead and put Babar and Rizwan in this lineup lol, you've seen their recent halat. Anyone can chase 200+ if you're dealing with rubbish bowling like sa d. Heck hasan nawaz managed to do so against a pretty competent bowling lineup
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Yes I agree our best chance for success is to pick two guys who average 22 because they can hit a 6 here and there.
 
Major said:
His hitting was better than Afridi.
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Not in a million years.

We’re talking about a guy that could slog sweep a six for 95m+.

Afridi could do it against pace and spin. Asif Ali would struggle with anything that wasn’t in the slot.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Not in a million years.

We’re talking about a guy that could slog sweep a six for 95m+.

Afridi could do it against pace and spin. Asif Ali would struggle with anything that wasn’t in the slot.
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Asif Ali's hitting abilities were much more better than Afridi's. Asif knew how to get under a yorker and smack it for six. Guy used to work as a blacksmith so he had raw muscle power.

Not taking anything away from Afridi's hitting abilities. Afridi knew how to take a single something Asif didnt know how to do.
 
mominsaigol said:
Actually I change my mind, this should be our playing 11

1) Sharjeel Khan
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Umar Akmal
4) Muhammad Hafeez
5) Sarfaraz Ahmed
6) Imad Wasim
7) Shahid Afridi
8) umar gul
9) Sohail Tanvir
10) Shaheen Shah Afridi
11) Amir

Swap malik for Afridi
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Take Imad out for Razzaq

Hafeez out for Nazir

Umar Akmal at 4.

Sarfaraz out, Umar WK

Malik in for Sarfaraz…arguably our best player of spin ever.

Tanvir out for anyone

Shaheen out for anyone.
 
Major said:
Asif Ali's hitting abilities were much more better than Afridi's. Asif knew how to get under a yorker and smack it for six. Guy used to work as a blacksmith so he had raw muscle power.

Not taking anything away from Afridi's hitting abilities. Afridi knew how to take a single something Asif didnt know how to do.
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Afridi is a Pathan, he was stronger than a blacksmith the moment he came out the womb.
 
As a better Kamran Akmal looked better than Rizwan but Rizwan is a better keeper
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Take Imad out for Razzaq

Hafeez out for Nazir

Umar Akmal at 4.

Sarfaraz out, Umar WK

Malik in for Sarfaraz…arguably our best player of spin ever.

Tanvir out for anyone

Shaheen out for anyone.
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Razzaq played t20? Oh yeah he did. Yes you're right in that regard. Imad needs to go.

Sarfi is needed as captain. He has a good cricketing mind and hence balance is required.

Hafeez is needed as a bowling option and nazir is an opener. Fakhar and Sharjeel occupy his spot.

Tanvir and shaheen in prime are very good
 
mominsaigol said:
Razzaq played t20? Oh yeah he did. Yes you're right in that regard. Imad needs to go.

Sarfi is needed as captain. He has a good cricketing mind and hence balance is required.

Hafeez is needed as a bowling option and nazir is an opener. Fakhar and Sharjeel occupy his spot.

Tanvir and shaheen in prime are very good.
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@YousafTheBeast

Let me clarify since you're making a sad emoji.

Shaheen from 2021 absolutely deserves to be in the playing 11. Don't affiliate him with Rizwan.

Both babar and shaheen are mighty talented. Shaheen was bowling solid wasim akram level inswing and was a gun new ball bowler however a poor death over bowler, but it wasn't a factor in t20 cricket since he was a great 4 over bowler.

As for Babar, it's rare to find a young batsmen who's techincally solid to a certain extent. It wasn't until Saim Ayub came along that Babar myth was busted, however in domestics even at the age of 16, Babar Azam was a very orthodox and techincally sound batter with a few technical flaws.

If you compare Babar at age 16 to some other batters who were playing at the time like Rizwan, Sami Aslam, and a few others, Babar genuinely had the best technique and temperament.

Problem was he never went beyond that and peaked right their and then, but most kids at 16 are pure hack and slash batters.

As for Rizwan, He was always a legside hack with a very ugly technique
 
mominsaigol said:
@YousafTheBeast

Let me clarify since you're making a sad emoji.

Shaheen from 2021 absolutely deserves to be in the playing 11. Don't affiliate him with Rizwan.

Both babar and shaheen are mighty talented. Shaheen was bowling solid wasim akram level inswing and was a gun new ball bowler however a poor death over bowler, but it wasn't a factor in t20 cricket since he was a great 4 over bowler.

As for Babar, it's rare to find a young batsmen who's techincally solid to a certain extent. It wasn't until Saim Ayub came along that Babar myth was busted, however in domestics even at the age of 16, Babar Azam was a very orthodox and techincally sound batter with a few technical flaws.

If you compare Babar at age 16 to some other batters who were playing at the time like Rizwan, Sami Aslam, and a few others, Babar genuinely had the best technique and temperament.

Problem was he never went beyond that and peaked right their and then, but most kids at 16 are pure hack and slash batters.

As for Rizwan, He was always a legside hack with a very ugly technique
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Sad mostly for Sarfaraz selection tbh😂

Not a fan of specialist captains, and if I was then i would probably choose YK over him.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Sad mostly for Sarfaraz selection tbh😂

Not a fan of specialist captains, and if I was then i would probably choose YK over him.
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This is a fair point.

That’s why I played it safe and put Wasim Akram in my side and made him captain

You can’t go wrong with him as a bowler/lower order hitter….and he’s a proper leader!
 
Rana said:
This is a fair point.

That’s why I played it safe and put Wasim Akram in my side and made him captain

You can’t go wrong with him as a bowler/lower order hitter….and he’s a proper leader!
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Sarfaraz was decent but if I have to play him then it’s as an opener. Imo, he would’ve been a much better T20 opener than Rizwan.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bhaijaan’s ATG Pakistan T20 XI


Imran Nazir
Fakhar Zaman
Saim Ayub
Bobby Azam
Rizwan Ahmed (wk)
Shoaib Malik Vol 2.0
Mohd Hafeez Vol 3.0
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi (cpt)
Umar Gulldozer
Mohd. Amir


Batting till #10 💪🏻
7 bowling options 😎
4 spinners 😵‍💫
1 Afridi :afridi
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Thoughts on this team brothers? @Major @Rana

Would you pick Misbah over RizBar? I had a long thought about it and went with the young ones but recently their bad form and white ball batting intent has been under question. Misbah could go boom boom, sometimes too late but he had that gear in him. In 2007 he was your best batter by far and almost won you the trophy.

Nevertheless Pakistan ATG team in T20s is quite strong.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Sarfaraz was decent but if I have to play him then it’s as an opener. Imo, he would’ve been a much better T20 opener than Rizwan.
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Tbh bro you either are willing to play T20 properly or you are not.

I am 100% certain that Rizwan is unwilling to play this format properly. He masks his incompetence/inability to play this format in the right way with the anchor nonsense.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Thoughts on this team brothers? @Major @Rana

Would you pick Misbah over RizBar? I had a long thought about it and went with the young ones but recently their bad form and white ball batting intent has been under question. Misbah could go boom boom, sometimes too late but he had that gear in him. In 2007 he was your best batter by far and almost won you the trophy.

Nevertheless Pakistan ATG team in T20s is quite strong.
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With all due respect bro, your middle order looks like a train wreck.
 
mominsaigol said:
@YousafTheBeast

Let me clarify since you're making a sad emoji.

Shaheen from 2021 absolutely deserves to be in the playing 11. Don't affiliate him with Rizwan.

Both babar and shaheen are mighty talented. Shaheen was bowling solid wasim akram level inswing and was a gun new ball bowler however a poor death over bowler, but it wasn't a factor in t20 cricket since he was a great 4 over bowler.

As for Babar, it's rare to find a young batsmen who's techincally solid to a certain extent. It wasn't until Saim Ayub came along that Babar myth was busted, however in domestics even at the age of 16, Babar Azam was a very orthodox and techincally sound batter with a few technical flaws.

If you compare Babar at age 16 to some other batters who were playing at the time like Rizwan, Sami Aslam, and a few others, Babar genuinely had the best technique and temperament.

Problem was he never went beyond that and peaked right their and then, but most kids at 16 are pure hack and slash batters.

As for Rizwan, He was always a legside hack with a very ugly technique
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An all time XI should include bowlers who can maintain their guile and deception over a long period of time. No comparison between Shaheen and Akram. Akram was a smart man who could play mental games while shaheen will always remain a raw talent and mental midget
 
Josh said:
An all time XI should include bowlers who can maintain their guile and deception over a long period of time. No comparison between Shaheen and Akram. Akram was a smart man who could play mental games while shaheen will always remain a raw talent and mental midget
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All time 11 for t20, not odi or test. Wasim never played t20.

Otherwise you should include Saeed Anwar as well since he's extremely aggressive for his era back when bat quality was poor and 1 ball era ensured difficulty in spin and reverse swing, hence he would easily adjust to the t20 era had he played.

And you should include Inzimam as well since he would have adjusted to this era as well had he been born in it
 
Mobashir said:
There is enough batting and enough bowling so Hafeez is a bonus player mainly for his bowling skills.
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Awful insight.

Hafeez was known for chucking

BUT BUT BUT

He can play mainly for his bowling skills.
 
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So here is my ATG t20 team. ATGs are based on legacy of player at a certain position. However, Pakistani players havent really build a legacy in t20 cricket, apart from Afridi and Gul. So in my list i will also add the era of which player im taking to give more context.

Another is that my team does not include match fixers or chuckers aswell


1. Babar Azam ( 2016 - 2019)
2. Mohammad Rizwan (WK) (2019 - 2021)
3. Fakhar Zaman
4. Mohammad Hafeez
5. Shahid Afridi
6. Shoaib Malik
7. Misbah Ul Haq (Captain) (2007 - 2010)
8. Imad Wasim
9. Umar Gul
10. Sohail Tanvir ( 2008 - 2010)
11. Shoaib Akhtar

12. Mohammad Sami

- Babar and Rizwan of the mentioned era were very good batters, and we haven't really had better openers than them. We need a keeper so Rizwan gets in, and Babar has a very high batting avg that cannot be ignored

- Hafeez was a very good player. Near the end of his career his batting was good and Hafeez was the most effective no.5 and no. 6 bowlers. He used to bowl some economical spells that he would get you through. Plus, he cleared his bowling test aswell. Had he not cleared I would not had added him here

- Misbah was a beast in t20 and was no.1 ranked. He lost his abilities to hit as he got older, but the 2007 - 2010 era Misbah of T20 cricket walks in at no. 7. Also Misbah was amongest the best captains for Pakistan

- Imad Wasim is a controversial pick. Point is, Ajmal was chucking and we never had a proper spinner in t20 cricket. The likes of Rehman or Zulfi Babar played very few games. Shadab cant bowl a proper line or length. Imad was accurate with his darters, i think he walks into the ATG team but if Pakistan develops a spinner in t20 he gets replaced.

- Sohail Tanvir gets in because he was a t20 mercenary. Before his injury in 2010 he was doing quite alright. Second thing is we also didnt develop any other pacer. Haris Rauf is just garbage and Shaheen Shah Afridi has regressed massively. I wont select him just because of the one off match against India. Sohail Tanvir also has the 2008 IPL on his back aswell.

- Akhtar is a controversial pick because AKhtar did not play any World T20. But than you look at his 2008 Ipl stint and that match against DD, you know what a bomb this guy would had been in t20 cricket had he stayed fit and kept his nose clean. He walks in due to again our lack of bowlers in T20 cricket.

- Sami gets an honorable mention. Sami would had been a good t20 pacer under the right captain. I have seen him bowl at Islamabad united and he was good for 4 overs with the captain helping him. His issue was that his captain was Afridi. He doesnt walk into this 11, maybe a case can be made in place of Akhtar or Tanvir, but he was a guy who was very good in t20



I know my post will offend many of you, so i could only apologies
 
Major said:
So here is my ATG t20 team. ATGs are based on legacy of player at a certain position. However, Pakistani players havent really build a legacy in t20 cricket, apart from Afridi and Gul. So in my list i will also add the era of which player im taking to give more context.

Another is that my team does not include match fixers or chuckers aswell


1. Babar Azam ( 2016 - 2019)
2. Mohammad Rizwan (WK) (2019 - 2021)
3. Fakhar Zaman
4. Mohammad Hafeez
5. Shahid Afridi
6. Shoaib Malik
7. Misbah Ul Haq (Captain) (2007 - 2010)
8. Imad Wasim
9. Umar Gul
10. Sohail Tanvir ( 2008 - 2010)
11. Shoaib Akhtar

12. Mohammad Sami

- Babar and Rizwan of the mentioned era were very good batters, and we haven't really had better openers than them. We need a keeper so Rizwan gets in, and Babar has a very high batting avg that cannot be ignored

- Hafeez was a very good player. Near the end of his career his batting was good and Hafeez was the most effective no.5 and no. 6 bowlers. He used to bowl some economical spells that he would get you through. Plus, he cleared his bowling test aswell. Had he not cleared I would not had added him here

- Misbah was a beast in t20 and was no.1 ranked. He lost his abilities to hit as he got older, but the 2007 - 2010 era Misbah of T20 cricket walks in at no. 7. Also Misbah was amongest the best captains for Pakistan

- Imad Wasim is a controversial pick. Point is, Ajmal was chucking and we never had a proper spinner in t20 cricket. The likes of Rehman or Zulfi Babar played very few games. Shadab cant bowl a proper line or length. Imad was accurate with his darters, i think he walks into the ATG team but if Pakistan develops a spinner in t20 he gets replaced.

- Sohail Tanvir gets in because he was a t20 mercenary. Before his injury in 2010 he was doing quite alright. Second thing is we also didnt develop any other pacer. Haris Rauf is just garbage and Shaheen Shah Afridi has regressed massively. I wont select him just because of the one off match against India. Sohail Tanvir also has the 2008 IPL on his back aswell.

- Akhtar is a controversial pick because AKhtar did not play any World T20. But than you look at his 2008 Ipl stint and that match against DD, you know what a bomb this guy would had been in t20 cricket had he stayed fit and kept his nose clean. He walks in due to again our lack of bowlers in T20 cricket.

- Sami gets an honorable mention. Sami would had been a good t20 pacer under the right captain. I have seen him bowl at Islamabad united and he was good for 4 overs with the captain helping him. His issue was that his captain was Afridi. He doesnt walk into this 11, maybe a case can be made in place of Akhtar or Tanvir, but he was a guy who was very good in t20



I know my post will offend many of you, so i could only apologies
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How can you pick guys for 2-3 year stints? That too when their competitors in the world were much better than them throughout?


It doesn’t work like that. You either are a T20 player or you are not. You either are a crap T20 player or you are not.
 
Rana said:
How can you pick guys for 2-3 year stints? That too when their competitors in the world were much better than them throughout?


It doesn’t work like that. You either are a T20 player or you are not. You either are a crap T20 player or you are not.
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Well Misbah's career T20 career ended in 2013. SO still good to go.

in my opinion there is no other opener apart from Fakhar that walks in the ATG team. Ok maybe Hafeez and Fakahr as opener.

But than there is the keeper dillema and after Rizwan the next best keeper stats wise is Kamran and I would never have him, the guy was a bottler.
 
Major said:
keeper stats wise is Kamran and I would never have him, the guy was a bottler
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This has already been discussed and debunked. Kamran Akmal was always a superior T20 batter than Rizwan. He didn’t bottle it in the Final of 2009 and wasn’t one of those who deserved to lose the Semi in 2010. He has won an IPL medal and was also immense for PZ in the PSL.

Kamran Akmal the prime T20 batter wipes the floor with Rizwan any time of his career.
 
1. Rizwan (wk)
2. Babar
3. Umar Akmal
4. Fakhar
5. Hafeez
6. Malik
7. Afridi
8. Amir
9. Gul
10. Shaheen
11. Ajmal

Babar is better at 3, but has been better than other options overall as opener too.

Fakhar had potential as opener but never fulfilled. But has done rather well at 4.

Pretty poor batting line up unfortunately. But bowling is really good.
 
Rana said:
This has already been discussed and debunked. Kamran Akmal was always a superior T20 batter than Rizwan. He didn’t bottle it in the Final of 2009 and wasn’t one of those who deserved to lose the Semi in 2010. He has won an IPL medal and was also immense for PZ in the PSL.

Kamran Akmal the prime T20 batter wipes the floor with Rizwan any time of his career.
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na man, Kamran is a bottler.
The 2018 PSL, Islamabad almost bottled it. Kamran dropped a crucial catch that it allowed Islamabad to enter back and win the final. Asif Ali got away with it that night due to Kamrans bottle job
 
ads101 said:
1. Rizwan (wk)
2. Babar
3. Umar Akmal
4. Fakhar
5. Hafeez
6. Malik
7. Afridi
8. Amir
9. Gul
10. Shaheen
11. Ajmal

Babar is better at 3, but has been better than other options overall as opener too.

Fakhar had potential as opener but never fulfilled. But has done rather well at 4.

Pretty poor batting line up unfortunately. But bowling is really good.
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Let’s lose harder to USA XI
 
Misbah had a T20I strike rate of 110. This was terrible even if you go by the the late 2000s/early 2010s era, where 160-180 was typically a winning score.

There is a fine line between bias and blind following.
 
Rana said:
This has already been discussed and debunked. Kamran Akmal was always a superior T20 batter than Rizwan. He didn’t bottle it in the Final of 2009 and wasn’t one of those who deserved to lose the Semi in 2010. He has won an IPL medal and was also immense for PZ in the PSL.

Kamran Akmal the prime T20 batter wipes the floor with Rizwan any time of his career.
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He’s always going to say Rizwan merely because he was hand picked by Misbah to open the batting with Babar.

He doesn’t care about the Kamaran v Rizwan in T20I debate. He’ll always pick Misbah’s “messiah” over any other player.
 
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