Your expectations from the Pakistan bowling attack for the white ball series against South Africa

[MenInG]

I expect the fast-bowlers to come out on top in this series for Pakistan - not so sure about the spinners.

Your views?

 

[shamaan]

We only require one spinner and that should be Shadab.

Pakistan fast bowlers should defonitely come out on top

 

[cricketerB94]

Pakistan's probable bowling attack will be:

Shaheen, Hasnain, Hasan, Faheem, Shadab

If Asif Ali plays instead of Danish Aziz, then Pakistan will severely miss the 6th bowling option. Maybe Fakhar can chip in with some overs too.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

We only require one spinner and that should be Shadab.

Pakistan fast bowlers should defonitely come out on top

I really feel that Qadir would be more potent here, not really fancying Shadab based on recent form.

 

[shamaan]

I really feel that Qadir would be more potent here, not really fancying Shadab based on recent form.

We need to get enough runs we could be in a situation were their pacers rip throw the top order and we need enough batters down the order and Shadab is a decent enough batter.thier wont be any turn on the south africa pitches.

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan's probable bowling attack will be:

Shaheen, Hasnain, Hasan, Faheem, Shadab

If Asif Ali plays instead of Danish Aziz, then Pakistan will severely miss the 6th bowling option. Maybe Fakhar can chip in with some overs too.

Exactly why Danish aziz should play

 

[ahmadharis1]

Usman Shinwari should have been included, did well in South Africa last tour

 

[Sir-fraz]

I think the bowling will be fine in SA they gett better pace and bounce, but i worry about our batters. Babar is the only one i trust overseas to bw consistent the rest are hit and miss.

There should only be one spinner, use hassan ali as an allrounder. Get the extra bowler in. Hassans role should also include hitting 20 quick runs aswell as bowling his quota of over.

 

[pratiktc]

Eager to see Hasan Ali comeback continue well in ODIs as well

Also important to see how Shadab goes. If he is flopping as a bowler need to find alternatives

2023 WC being in India will need two full-time spinners and atleast one.strong part timer so must develop accordingly

 

[shujaatraza]

Usman Shinwari should have been included, did well in South Africa last tour

Irfan,Junaid,Bhatti and Anwar also did well when they toured

 

[Ahmed216]

Except Shaheen every1 will struggle

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

...to run over the South African batting.

Don't expect much from Shadab. But that's okay because we only need one spinner. If he doesn't do well he can always be dropped for Nawaz.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Haris Rauf, Shaheen, Hasan Ali and Faheem should play every ODI unless one of them turns in an absolutely horrendous performance in one of the games.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

We need to get enough runs we could be in a situation were their pacers rip throw the top order and we need enough batters down the order and Shadab is a decent enough batter.thier wont be any turn on the south africa pitches.

hmmm in that case i'm tempted to trial the underrated Danish Aziz and maybe bump in Nawaz in place of Shadab. I am hearing a rumour though that Aziz might debut and we will have the ever "great" Asif Ali playing down the order.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Haris Rauf, Shaheen, Hasan Ali and Faheem should play every ODI unless one of them turns in an absolutely horrendous performance in one of the games.

Just remember bro SA's full strength members leave after the 2nd Odi i.e. no Nortje, Rabada, Ngidi, QDK or David Miller.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Just remember bro SA's full strength members leave after the 2nd Odi i.e. no Nortje, Rabada, Ngidi, QDK or David Miller.

Their loss. Shouldn't make us change our gameplan

 

[UzmanBeast]

Haris Rauf needs to be kept away from the ODI team, otherwise he will concede about 70-ish runs with the ball.

Danish Aziz should play as the 6th bowling option as a few people have mentioned already. Perhaps he can perform a Suresh Raina type of role, a few handy overs with the ball and good knocks with the bat.

Faheem plays as well, giving us another bowling option and a reliable batsman.

Shaheen, Hasan, and Hasnain ought to be the fast bowlers we take. Shaheen and Hasnain to use the new ball (Hasnain showed good control against Zimbabwe), whereas Hasan should bowl in the middle overs.

The big question is on Shadab. He is the vice captain, and if he's fit, he's going to play. However, maybe someone like Nawaz would be a better option in this situation, as he could keep things tight and also bowl in the powerplay if required. However, given that Danish Aziz might play, and that Fakhar is there, 3 left arm spinners makes no sense, so Shadab barely makes the cut.

My playing XI would be:

Fakhar Zaman
Imam-ul-Haq
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammad Rizwan
Danish Aziz
Sarfaraz Ahmed (wk)
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Hasnain
Shaheen Shah Afridi

Rizwan should play as a batsman and should field, whereas Sarfaraz should keep wickets. The reason I'm considering Sarfaraz is because he plays spin nicely, and against Shamsi, he should be able to keep the scoreboard ticking.

There's about 6 reliable bowling options, and a 7th if desperately needed (which is Fakhar).

That's the best team we can make at the moment, and hopefully our fast bowling attack remains potent throughout the series.

I expect Shaheen to be our leading wicket taker, followed by Hasan Ali and Hasnain. I think Shadab will end the series with about 2 wickets and might get smashed around a lot by De Kock.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Their loss. Shouldn't make us change our gameplan

Well if we win either the first or second odi we have a got shot at taking the series.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Haris Rauf needs to be kept away from the ODI team, otherwise he will concede about 70-ish runs with the ball.

Danish Aziz should play as the 6th bowling option as a few people have mentioned already. Perhaps he can perform a Suresh Raina type of role, a few handy overs with the ball and good knocks with the bat.

Faheem plays as well, giving us another bowling option and a reliable batsman.

Shaheen, Hasan, and Hasnain ought to be the fast bowlers we take. Shaheen and Hasnain to use the new ball (Hasnain showed good control against Zimbabwe), whereas Hasan should bowl in the middle overs.

The big question is on Shadab. He is the vice captain, and if he's fit, he's going to play. However, maybe someone like Nawaz would be a better option in this situation, as he could keep things tight and also bowl in the powerplay if required. However, given that Danish Aziz might play, and that Fakhar is there, 3 left arm spinners makes no sense, so Shadab barely makes the cut.

My playing XI would be:

Fakhar Zaman
Imam-ul-Haq
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammad Rizwan
Danish Aziz
Sarfaraz Ahmed (wk)
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Hasnain
Shaheen Shah Afridi

Rizwan should play as a batsman and should field, whereas Sarfaraz should keep wickets. The reason I'm considering Sarfaraz is because he plays spin nicely, and against Shamsi, he should be able to keep the scoreboard ticking.

There's about 6 reliable bowling options, and a 7th if desperately needed (which is Fakhar).

That's the best team we can make at the moment, and hopefully our fast bowling attack remains potent throughout the series.

I expect Shaheen to be our leading wicket taker, followed by Hasan Ali and Hasnain. I think Shadab will end the series with about 2 wickets and might get smashed around a lot by De Kock.

This is currently our biggest issue in both ODIs and t20s, the lack of a good pacer that can support Shaheen as well as keeping it economical.

Our other issue and one that needs sorting prior to the WC T20 is finding that lower order finisher/hitter that can elevate the game.

 

[shamaan]

hmmm in that case i'm tempted to trial the underrated Danish Aziz and maybe bump in Nawaz in place of Shadab. I am hearing a rumour though that Aziz might debut and we will have the ever "great" Asif Ali playing down the order.

I will play both aziz and Shadab.and i have heard that rumour i hope its not true i would pick haider ali over asif anyday

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I will play both aziz and Shadab.and i have heard that rumour i hope its not true i would pick haider ali over asif anyday

Yea Shadab might be a good option but just feel Nawaz on current batting form possibly edges him. I wish Babar would make this choice as it's his playing XI at the end of the day and not Misbah's.

 

[UzmanBeast]

This is currently our biggest issue in both ODIs and t20s, the lack of a good pacer that can support Shaheen as well as keeping it economical.

Our other issue and one that needs sorting prior to the WC T20 is finding that lower order finisher/hitter that can elevate the game.

I think Hasan and Hasnain can be good choices for the supporting bowlers.

Similarly, I think that our team will have to function without a hitter for now, as Asif Ali and the others have been given ample opportunities and have not provided any desirable results.

If we are to test Asif Ali, it should be in the third ODI where South Africa would be playing a weaker team.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I think Hasan and Hasnain can be good choices for the supporting bowlers.

Similarly, I think that our team will have to function without a hitter for now, as Asif Ali and the others have been given ample opportunities and have not provided any desirable results.

If we are to test Asif Ali, it should be in the third ODI where South Africa would be playing a weaker team.

I think if we trial Asif Ali in that 3rd ODI it will give false hope that he is our hitter. If he wants to play then let's see him against Rabada & Co.

There was a good discussion i heard on the potentials for the ODI coming up and for now i don't think we can go wrong but i really want to see the back of Rauf in all honesty because he's just not up the mark for me.

 

[Saj]

I'm excited about the Hassan Ali/Shaheen Afridi partnership. I hope both stay fit and serve Pakistan for a long time.

They have the potential to be a fantastic partnership for Pakistan in all formats.

 

[shamaan]

Yea Shadab might be a good option but just feel Nawaz on current batting form possibly edges him. I wish Babar would make this choice as it's his playing XI at the end of the day and not Misbah's.

I think both misbah and shadab will pick Shadab defonitely

 

[shamaan]

I think if we trial Asif Ali in that 3rd ODI it will give false hope that he is our hitter. If he wants to play then let's see him against Rabada & Co.

There was a good discussion i heard on the potentials for the ODI coming up and for now i don't think we can go wrong but i really want to see the back of Rauf in all honesty because he's just not up the mark for me.

I would defonitely give any player a series or two than just the odd game here or thier as it will not tell you much about that player

 

[shariqnoor]

Expecting the bowling to hold them below 250 in all matches. It's a very weak SA team. But then Pakistan bowling has all the ability to produce rubbish.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I would defonitely give any player a series or two than just the odd game here or thier as it will not tell you much about that player

I mean i reckon regardless if we even lose this game i think experimentation shouldn't be off the cards, it's more about answering questions this series for me more so than anything. We have a while till the 50 over world cup. However, one question i can answer already is that Asif Ali is not your answer to a late order push, he's too inconsistent.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I think if we trial Asif Ali in that 3rd ODI it will give false hope that he is our hitter. If he wants to play then let's see him against Rabada & Co.

There was a good discussion i heard on the potentials for the ODI coming up and for now i don't think we can go wrong but i really want to see the back of Rauf in all honesty because he's just not up the mark for me.

To be honest, I've really been thinking about the true need for a hitter on our side, given the resources at our disposal.

After Afridi retired, nobody has been capable of bashing the ball around the park, especially in the lower middle order.

Someone like Imad was doing extremely well (40+ average, 130-ish SR) but got dropped due to unknown reasons.

Shadab is a radical with the bat (I don't know if a SR of 60 is going to win us matches), and Faheem hasn't shown the same form he had in red-ball in white-ball cricket.

There is no legitimate hitter on our team, and contrary to what many people think, most finishers and hard hitters for teams can contribute with the ball as well. Pollard, Pandya, Maxwell, and a few others are all-rounders, meaning that they can contribute in both the bowling and batting if needed. The minute Asif Ali doesn't score runs, he's going to be a walking liability to the team, given his fielding record.

Personally, I think the only viable solution we have is to prolong our tail and add more bowling resources so that we can restrict teams to lower targets, hopefully avoiding large run chases.

In my mind, Haider should play. He has enough power to be useful down the order, but I don't want to push Rizwan too far down the order either.

Asif doesn't play in my XI, which I've put below:

Fakhar Zaman
Imam-ul-Haq
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Danish Aziz
Haider Ali
Shadab Khan (vc)
Faheem Ashraf
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammad Hasnain

The only reason I want Danish Aziz to play is because he offers a valuable, reliable bowling option. He can easily give us 4-5 overs if needed, and has shown composure in run chases. He hasn't really been tested on the short ball, but he's probably at the same level as Sarfaraz in the position.

Haider plays down at 6, and will have to do the hitting for us in my mind, because Danish is more of a guy who can take the singles and doubles and finish off the chase, whereas Haider is the guy who can go ballistic if needed.

 

[hitthestump]

Why is Rauf dropped from everyone's team? He needs to be there, not because he is good but for continuity's sake. His domestic stats have been good and he's been passable in internationals. Dropping him before Hasnain has really stepped up to stake his claim is repeating the same mistakes Pakistan have made over the last decade.

Before we drop bowlers we need to consider the impact on our reserve players whether they feel like they've fought for their spot or it's just going to be a merry go round where they'll get their turn eventually.

Rauf should play until he recieves a real phainta or Hasnain does something so extraordinary that we can't ignore him anymore.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Why is Rauf dropped from everyone's team? He needs to be there, not because he is good but for continuity's sake. His domestic stats have been good and he's been passable in internationals. Dropping him before Hasnain has really stepped up to stake his claim is repeating the same mistakes Pakistan have made over the last decade.

Before we drop bowlers we need to consider the impact on our reserve players whether they feel like they've fought for their spot or it's just going to be a merry go round where they'll get their turn eventually.

Rauf should play until he recieves a real phainta or Hasnain does something so extraordinary that we can't ignore him anymore.

Hasnain got 5-26 in his last ODI.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Why is Rauf dropped from everyone's team? He needs to be there, not because he is good but for continuity's sake. His domestic stats have been good and he's been passable in internationals. Dropping him before Hasnain has really stepped up to stake his claim is repeating the same mistakes Pakistan have made over the last decade.

Before we drop bowlers we need to consider the impact on our reserve players whether they feel like they've fought for their spot or it's just going to be a merry go round where they'll get their turn eventually.

Rauf should play until he recieves a real phainta or Hasnain does something so extraordinary that we can't ignore him anymore.

His domestic numbers in List A cricket are awful, he's an ok option in T20s but not in ODIs for now

 

[hitthestump]

His domestic numbers in List A cricket are awful, he's an ok option in T20s but not in ODIs for now

All that will happen in Hasnain will come in, be bang average, then Rauf will come back in.

Rauf has only played 2 ODI's and he's been solid in T20's. We need to start creating a more competitive environment where he is given a solid shot to either cement or lose his spot. Meanwhile Hasnain should be working his socks off in the background to rip it away from him.

Pakistan have done nothing else but put their fast bowlers on a merry go round over the last 10 years and it's made us a laughing stock. We need to start getting some continuity in there from now.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

To be honest, I've really been thinking about the true need for a hitter on our side, given the resources at our disposal.

After Afridi retired, nobody has been capable of bashing the ball around the park, especially in the lower middle order.

Someone like Imad was doing extremely well (40+ average, 130-ish SR) but got dropped due to unknown reasons.

Shadab is a radical with the bat (I don't know if a SR of 60 is going to win us matches), and Faheem hasn't shown the same form he had in red-ball in white-ball cricket.

There is no legitimate hitter on our team, and contrary to what many people think, most finishers and hard hitters for teams can contribute with the ball as well. Pollard, Pandya, Maxwell, and a few others are all-rounders, meaning that they can contribute in both the bowling and batting if needed. The minute Asif Ali doesn't score runs, he's going to be a walking liability to the team, given his fielding record.

Personally, I think the only viable solution we have is to prolong our tail and add more bowling resources so that we can restrict teams to lower targets, hopefully avoiding large run chases.

In my mind, Haider should play. He has enough power to be useful down the order, but I don't want to push Rizwan too far down the order either.

Asif doesn't play in my XI, which I've put below:

Fakhar Zaman
Imam-ul-Haq
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Danish Aziz
Haider Ali
Shadab Khan (vc)
Faheem Ashraf
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammad Hasnain

The only reason I want Danish Aziz to play is because he offers a valuable, reliable bowling option. He can easily give us 4-5 overs if needed, and has shown composure in run chases. He hasn't really been tested on the short ball, but he's probably at the same level as Sarfaraz in the position.

Haider plays down at 6, and will have to do the hitting for us in my mind, because Danish is more of a guy who can take the singles and doubles and finish off the chase, whereas Haider is the guy who can go ballistic if needed.

Finally somebody who sees it from my perspective. I was a little harsh on young Haider but I think he could be our Iyer, he could be a good late order hitter for us at no. 5 or 6. Frankly, I don’t think Haider is suited up the order and he’s the only hitter I can think of right now that can bat at that 170+ SR level when required, the other is Azam Khan but if Sharjeel does well and gets an odi call up then we can’t have 2 big blokes in the team.

Another bloke I heard talking the other day about Imad was that it took guts to drop him but he’s a guy slowly becoming like Sarfraz taking a back seat when he’s been captaining for Karachi ie hardly bowling and below average batting. This is my problem with the likes of Sarfraz, Imad and Harris Sohail who all have a lazy culture.

Our tail I still reckon is pretty strong and easily one of the strongest tails (maybe even after India you can say).

In conclusion though your team is pretty I’d just swap the position of Danish and Haider otherwise your ideal XI is perfect.

I can go on and on Usman about some of our key weaknesses which need correcting prior to the WC.

 

[dildilpak]

I'm excited about the Hassan Ali/Shaheen Afridi partnership. I hope both stay fit and serve Pakistan for a long time.

They have the potential to be a fantastic partnership for Pakistan in all formats.

Agree! If they fire together it will be an amazing sight for sure

 

[angrypathan]

Hope he proves me wrong, but I see Hassan Ali struggling on higher bounce wickets of South Africa. Looking forward to seeing him and Shaheen bowl in tandem though

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

6 months ago the hopes were pinned on Shaheen and Naseem before start of England tour, with Naseem getting some real hype to shine.
I see now the hopes are pinned on Shaheen and Hasan Ali.
Hasan though is more experienced. Let us see what these two guys will do.

 

[JattMaula]

I expect Pakistan bowlers to outbowl SA bowlers. They have more talent, depth, and experience. Also are coming off PSL, so they all have relatively recent match practice.

 

[Mobashir]

Shaheen is sure in.
Then we have 2 spots for 3 bowlers: Hasan Ali, Hasnain ans Rauf.
Hasan Ali is probably playing and one of Rauf/Hasnain.
Maybe we also can go in all 4, I am not that confortable with 20 overs of Faheem and Shadab.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Finally somebody who sees it from my perspective. I was a little harsh on young Haider but I think he could be our Iyer, he could be a good late order hitter for us at no. 5 or 6. Frankly, I don’t think Haider is suited up the order and he’s the only hitter I can think of right now that can bat at that 170+ SR level when required, the other is Azam Khan but if Sharjeel does well and gets an odi call up then we can’t have 2 big blokes in the team.

Another bloke I heard talking the other day about Imad was that it took guts to drop him but he’s a guy slowly becoming like Sarfraz taking a back seat when he’s been captaining for Karachi ie hardly bowling and below average batting. This is my problem with the likes of Sarfraz, Imad and Harris Sohail who all have a lazy culture.

Our tail I still reckon is pretty strong and easily one of the strongest tails (maybe even after India you can say).

In conclusion though your team is pretty I’d just swap the position of Danish and Haider otherwise your ideal XI is perfect.

I can go on and on Usman about some of our key weaknesses which need correcting prior to the WC.

I think that Shadab has about two chances to show his worth with both ball and bat. If he plays as our main spinner, he needs wickets in these conditions, and taking wickets in SAF is hard for any spinner.

If he can keep it economical, and not bowl too many boundary balls, he can easily keep his spot until the England series provided he continues to bowl the same way in the PSL.

Imad's own decisions brought him down, never batting nor bowling in the PSL. His bowling was always quite one dimensional, and if he added some variations, he could have still been on the team. I fail to understand why he couldn't either learn a bit of chinaman or at least some variations like the carrom ball. All he does is bowl undercutters at the stumps, which works with the new ball but is a poor bowling style when the ball gets old.

Haider is too young to understand how to construct an innings maturely, so it's best to put him in situations where he knows his own strengths, which is hard-hitting without any concerns.

 

[Markhor]

Hope he proves me wrong, but I see Hassan Ali struggling on higher bounce wickets of South Africa. Looking forward to seeing him and Shaheen bowl in tandem though

Finally somebody mentioning this.

All our bowlers infact are better on low bounce wickets than on the truer surfaces in the Southern Hemisphere where they've been exposed just as often as our batsmen.

Our guys just don't take enough wickets upfront with the new ball, or hit the pitch hard on a good length consistently enough.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There's a chance that Hasan might not play the 1st ODI if he hasn't fully recovered. But I have to say the idea of Haris, Shaheen, Hasan excites me. Has the potential to be a fearsome pace-attack.

Wasim has done alot of things wrong inregards to selection of the squad. But when it comes to selection of fast-bowlers I can't fault him for any of the selections besides that of his namesake who is not ready for international cricket.

Hasnain is a more than viable back-up seamer. Faheem as the pace-bowling all-rounder seems like a much more reliable prospect now. And Musa and Shinwari have thankfully been dropped.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I think that Shadab has about two chances to show his worth with both ball and bat. If he plays as our main spinner, he needs wickets in these conditions, and taking wickets in SAF is hard for any spinner.

If he can keep it economical, and not bowl too many boundary balls, he can easily keep his spot until the England series provided he continues to bowl the same way in the PSL.

Imad's own decisions brought him down, never batting nor bowling in the PSL. His bowling was always quite one dimensional, and if he added some variations, he could have still been on the team. I fail to understand why he couldn't either learn a bit of chinaman or at least some variations like the carrom ball. All he does is bowl undercutters at the stumps, which works with the new ball but is a poor bowling style when the ball gets old.

Haider is too young to understand how to construct an innings maturely, so it's best to put him in situations where he knows his own strengths, which is hard-hitting without any concerns.

Frankly instead of Shadab i was half tempted to go with Usman Qadir, he bowls well and is no mug with the bat himself so can bat a bit.

I mean i would expect Shadab or at least would desire he keep that economy rate hovering around the 4-5 RPO mark and grab a wicket or two and i'll be relatively happy. Batting wise he can't make it in the top 5 as that's already set in stone. It's a shame with his injury.

Imad certainly it's his own fault and the fact he's letting himself go slightly is a bit of a problem. You know i think would be a good alternate is Sajid Khan, he's got a complex action and bats real good as well.

Haider for me will be a good no. 5 i reckon, these grounds might suit his style.

 

[naseem]

My eyes will be on Qadir..jnr.....apart from Bobby....it is him who I like to watch

 

[shamaan]

6 months ago the hopes were pinned on Shaheen and Naseem before start of England tour, with Naseem getting some real hype to shine.
I see now the hopes are pinned on Shaheen and Hasan Ali.
Hasan though is more experienced. Let us see what these two guys will do.

Shaheen and hassan have proved they are more than decent bowlers and have also proved it in different cups competitions

 

[UzmanBeast]

Frankly instead of Shadab i was half tempted to go with Usman Qadir, he bowls well and is no mug with the bat himself so can bat a bit.

I mean i would expect Shadab or at least would desire he keep that economy rate hovering around the 4-5 RPO mark and grab a wicket or two and i'll be relatively happy. Batting wise he can't make it in the top 5 as that's already set in stone. It's a shame with his injury.

Imad certainly it's his own fault and the fact he's letting himself go slightly is a bit of a problem. You know i think would be a good alternate is Sajid Khan, he's got a complex action and bats real good as well.

Haider for me will be a good no. 5 i reckon, these grounds might suit his style.

One thing to note is that Nawaz has perhaps the best opportunity of his career to solidify and claim a spot for himself on the Pakistan team.

Haider deserves a chance ahead of Asif Ali in my opinion.

Qadir vs Shadab will be a tough decision. Given that SAF conditions don't support spinners, there's two viewpoints which stand out.

1. Take the better spinner, he'll take less of a bashing.
2. Take the better batsman, he'll be more useful.

Qadir is the better spinner, whereas Shadab is the better batsman.

It will be an interesting decision.

 

[TeymurBlake]

I don't know what to expect tbh. Shaheen should feel rested and rearing to go. Hasan coming off Covid-19 is worrying but he will be important. Hasnain has improved but there are more improvements for him to make. Then you have Haris Rauf who is selected in the wrong format again and another bowler who needs work and finally Mohammad Wasim Jr. another bowler who needs even more work done.

As for spinners, Qadir hasn't played many ODI games for Pakistan and will need to see if he can provide control with his leg spin. Nawaz being AR helps us as he is decent batter and a even better bowler who will offer control and economy. Shadab Khan on the other hand is in terrible form and probably shouldn't have been selected for this tour.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

One thing to note is that Nawaz has perhaps the best opportunity of his career to solidify and claim a spot for himself on the Pakistan team.

Haider deserves a chance ahead of Asif Ali in my opinion.

Qadir vs Shadab will be a tough decision. Given that SAF conditions don't support spinners, there's two viewpoints which stand out.

1. Take the better spinner, he'll take less of a bashing.
2. Take the better batsman, he'll be more useful.

Qadir is the better spinner, whereas Shadab is the better batsman.

It will be an interesting decision.

I don't know Qadir can smack a few with the bat, just judging by how his style of bowler i.e. Imran Tahir performed a while back against SL on these grounds and then how well he bowled in the previous series it would be mad in my opinion to drop him for Shadab.

Nawaz on the other hand i can agree and this is a perfect way for him to stake his claim but according to rumours i don't think he'll make tomorrow's XI which is a shame, Nawaz certainly plays ahead of Shadab for me.

I'm feeling relatively good about our chances and hope we start this tour with some positive intent.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Excellent comeback from Pakistan's pace-bowlers:<br><br>After 6 overs - 34/0<br>Next 11 overs - 29/4<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1377917397307420673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan let things slip after dominating:<br><br>55/4 from the first 14.2 overs<br>218/2 from the last 35.4 overs<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1377953924787879941?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[shamaan]

Shaheen was the difference with the new ball.
rauf needs to be replaced with hassan.
Pakistan restricted south africa to below par target.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Almost forgot about the match, but it seems like a bowling performance Pakistan would want to forget.

Our downward trend in bowling started roughly after the England T20 series where our best bowlers were being smacked around by the mediocrity of Moeen Ali.

Fast-forward here where our bowlers are not just going for runs, but are also going wicketless.

I know that the pitch conditions are a bit tough for the bowlers, but there's a few deliveries that we don't execute at all which we really need to do so:
1. Yorker
2. Bouncer
3. Slower ball

Those deliveries are under-utilized because our management thinks that raw pace is the solution to everything.

Apart from that series in New Zealand, Faheem Ashraf has not provided enough breakthroughs in his bowling, and is also being utilized incorrectly by our captain.

It's quite surprising to see Haris Rauf on the better side of the economy rate, whereas Hasan is demonstrating that he still lacks the consistency in his control when bowling. The problem with playing Nawaz as the sole spinner, despite him taking two wickets here, is that when we go up against teams who have left-handers in the middle order (ENGLAND), it will be a walk in the park for them to slog at will against him. Imad was also dysfunctional in the sense that his bowling against left-handers was quite poor. Shadab had the same struggles as well if I'm not mistaken. We basically have no quality spinner in the mix right now, and it is really showing.

This is the stage where yorkers should come into play, no more deliveries in the slot as I mentioned earlier. This South African lineup shouldn't have seen the other side of 150 at all.

 

[Sunzi]

Slot bowling smh

 

[UzmanBeast]

I stated this earlier, but Shaheen is not a good death bowler. Whether or not the management recognizes this and chooses to ignore it is beyond me.

He has been developed as a new ball bowler in both ODI and Test matches, and is frankly a world class new ball bowler.

In the death overs, his ER is roundabout 10, which is quite poor. A good death bowler has an ER of about 7 or 8 in the death, so Shaheen is miles behind.

The management could be competent and bowl him out in the middle overs, but given their record, they will persist with bowling him in the death.

Personally, I'd say play him in the powerplay and in the middle overs. Don't pressurize him in the death when he's just 21.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Slot bowling smh

Against the likes of Buttler, Pollard, Pandya, our death bowlers would literally get picked apart and discarded. Most people would try to bowl the yorker outside off stump and wide if the batsman is deep in the crease, whilst having protection on the off-side, but our management and players are unable to think about that.

If a batsman is batting deep in the crease, bowl it wide so he has to come out to make contact. Then bowl the yorker straight because he'll be expecting it wide.

 

[Usman Chadda]

He's not a death overs bowler. Our management just doesn't see it.

He is supposed to be the next best thing since sliced bread. No excuses.

Rubbish bowler, been hanging around the team because he is doing a little better than younger bowlers around with little to no experience.

 

[UzmanBeast]

He is supposed to be the next best thing since sliced bread. No excuses.

Rubbish bowler, been hanging around the team because he is doing a little better than younger bowlers around with little to no experience.

No, he is a very good new ball bowler.

Bowling in the death isn't for him because of a few reasons:

1) Incompetent bowling plans
2) High pressure
3) Quite often gets unlucky as well

Those aren't excuses, but it's quite comparable that his ER in the powerplay is roundabout 7, compared to his ER in the death which sits at probably excess of 10 now.

Pakistan, throughout the series, have attempted yorkers at the base of the stumps. We have bowlers with pace but no real IQ. In the death, yorkers on the stumps aren't the only option. Bowling wide yorkers is also beneficial, especially if the batsman is dispatching your yorkers on the stumps.

Until we get a bowler who understands the art of death bowling, we won't be a good T20 side. Not trying to start old debates but Amir was at least good in this aspect.

 

[MRSN]

Why is this current Pakistan bowling hyped up so much?

Today we have once again seen how SA side without their top batsmen smashed Pakistan bowling attack like it is some associate level attack.

What do people see in the likes of Shaheen, Rauf, Hasan and Faheem that I am missing?

Even if you had played some UAE level attack the scorecard woulf have been same as it has been in the last 3 games.

This is a sad truth that our bowling is just as ordinary as our batting. So people before getting disappointed should actually know the true worth of these players. You can't expect from them what they just don't have.

 

[Pakhs]

Dont judge by the performance as its a road of a track however apart from Shaheen and to an extent Hasan Ali others are not international class bowlers.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Pathetic bowling. One dimensional. Just absolute rubbish.

Bowling length and in the slot of every single batsman. Bowling to Markram's strengths, same with Malan. I mean how daft can a bowling attack really be?

At least show that you're learning, but instead repeat the same mistakes.

Disgraceful bowling performance.

 

[MRSN]

Not one bowler can bowl swing and seam. It's like they are just there to serve pies. Before we had one Wahab now we have all Wahabs.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I think Waqar should sign off after this African safari. If he takes Misbah with him, all the better.

 

[Titan24]

If we talk about current SA T20 series I would count Markram, Rassie and Malan right up there or after the likes of QDK and Miller as the best white ball batsmen in SA. I would be happy to he stand corrected if there are some other batsmen which I am missing that anyone thinks are better than them currently.

Pak bowling across the formats hasnt been good without a doubt and I dont think anyone has hyped them currently. Shaheen has just turned 21 and has been learning on job since his debut, Hassan is coming back from a 1.5 year injury layoff. Amir has been having his own issues and is not in the team while Imad and Shadab who were top 3 bowlers in T20I rankings not too long ago have been struggling with fitness and form.

Yes our overall bench strength hasnt been great and thats why Pak bowling has been finding it difficult to cope with any situation when it appears. Work has to be done with the main players as well as back ups at the NHPC.

 

[WengerOut]

Hasan Ali is only good on low bouncy, crumbling pitches. He will still get smacked on those pitches. He has not changed since being out of the team. People are getting romantic over his sporadic sixes. Same case with Faheem as well. For what i have seen, Shaheen is only good in ODIs and mostly at the start of the innings.

Point is, Pakistan need Amir back in LOIs. Also Imad is way better than Nawaz.

 

[bujhee kom]

RSA were hitting 6s at will. I never want to see people lambasting Bangladesh's bowling ever again.

 

[mazkhan]

Biggest problem is waqar

He simply cannot develop or coach youngsters or work on the bowlers technical aspect of the game or give them guidance or real time game plans or how to bowl to opposition batsmen

He's one of those guy who needs a ready made product like asif and amir whilst he sits there and takes credit

 

[shamaan]

I stated this earlier, but Shaheen is not a good death bowler. Whether or not the management recognizes this and chooses to ignore it is beyond me.

He has been developed as a new ball bowler in both ODI and Test matches, and is frankly a world class new ball bowler.

In the death overs, his ER is roundabout 10, which is quite poor. A good death bowler has an ER of about 7 or 8 in the death, so Shaheen is miles behind.

The management could be competent and bowl him out in the middle overs, but given their record, they will persist with bowling him in the death.

Personally, I'd say play him in the powerplay and in the middle overs. Don't pressurize him in the death when he's just 21.

Were did you get that about a good death bowler has an ER of 7 or 8 in the death.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Were did you get that about a good death bowler has an ER of 7 or 8 in the death.

You can look at the likes of Bumrah and see that it takes real skill and awareness to execute bowling plans in the death.

7-8 is the world class range for the ER in the death overs, commonly achieved by the likes of Bumrah.

Shaheen is in excess of 10 nowadays, a bit too high.

 

[Last Monetarist]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great comeback from the Pakistani bowlers:<br><br>73/1 from 8.2 overs<br>to<br>144 all out from 19.3 overs<br><br>South Africa's last 9 wickets fell for 71 runs in the space of 11.1 overs<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1383061860057022464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>