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Mine:

1. Bradman
2. Barry Richards
3. Sachin
4. Viv Richards
5. Hobbs


What is your pick?
 
Sachin
Lara
Richards
Ponting
Kohli/Smith whoever finishes better with all forms weighed together.
Only selected players about whom i have decent knowledge and not one format atgs.
 
Tendulkar
Lara
Ponting
Dravid
Sanga


I only started watching cricket from mid 90s, so im listing the ones i have seen playing. Also, i didnt include the ones that are currently playing and not retired, otherwise Kohli would be in my list as well.
 
Gavaskar and Border; magnificent players they were, don't honestly belong here.
 
bradman
sachin
viv
sanga
lara

however i am certain kohli will end up in the top 2 by the time he retires
 
Fakhar Zaman - for the greatest knock of all time.
Bradman
Viv
Sachin
Lara
 
In terms of who I've seen since I've been watching cricket (1983 onwards):
Viv Richards
Brian Laura
Sachin Tendulkar
Ricky Ponting
Javed Miandad

History tells me that Bradman, Sobers and Hobbs belong here
 
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In date order: Hobbs, Bradman, Sobers, IVA Richards, Lara.
 
It's unfortunate that B. Richards didn't have long enough test career. Literally every single player/ expert/ fan who played with/ against him or saw him play puts him at the very top of the echelon; without any exception.
 
lol barry richards in the top 5 and that too above sachin :)))

Anyways, let's get to the serious list:-

Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar
Viv Richards
Brian Charles Lara
Sunil Gavaskar
Ricky Ponting
 
Hobbs,Bradman,Viv RIchards,Tendulkar and. Lara datewise
If only tests Gavaskar and Sobers may replace Viv and Hobbs.
 
Top 5 (Tests, cant conflate formats):

IVA Richards
BC Lara
Sachin
Ponting
Border

Why excluded Gavaskar who was prolific breaking records against greatest bowling that too as an opener without a helmet.?I rate him ahead of Border and Pinting.No Sobers?
 
Honestly not sure how anyone can rate Lara above Tendulkar other than for aesthetic reasons tbh.
 
In terms of who I've seen since I've been watching cricket (1983 onwards):
Viv Richards
Brian Laura
Sachin Tendulkar
Ricky Ponting
Javed Miandad

History tells me that Bradman, Sobers and Hobbs belong here
Very analytical praise your latter assessment on older players.
 
Mine:

1. Bradman
2. Barry Richards
3. Sachin
4. Viv Richards
5. Hobbs


What is your pick?
Why not Lara?Why do you not select Lara or Sobers instead of Barry?Overall I may have Hobbs above Viv and Sachin considering the wickets he mastered.In sole test cricket Lara may have bettered Viv and Sachin.
 
Why not Lara?Why do you not select Lara or Sobers instead of Barry?Overall I may have Hobbs above Viv and Sachin considering the wickets he mastered.In sole test cricket Lara may have bettered Viv and Sachin.

Lara's record has some glaring weaknesses that I just can't overlook. He couldn't score a single 100 even after playing 30+ innings against Donald and 2 Ws. No way he can be a better run scorer than Viv or SRT.

I completely forgot about Sobers when I created my list but tbh the list still looks just about right.

Barry is a romantic selection on my part but the guy's FC record is just immense and he proved himself during every opportunity he was given be it test or WSC. Combine that with the glowing testimonies of those around him. Although logically speaking I admit he shouldn't be here but I feel compelled to include him for no exact reason.
 
Could you rank in order of merit?Want to know why Tendulkar excluded ?In combined cricket arguably Sachin was the best of them all.

Bradman first obviously, then Hobbs, then Sobers, Richards and Lara.

I always felt that Tendulkar could go AWOL under pressure. He's still be in my top ten, with Headley, Hammond, Hutton and Miandad.
 
Why excluded Gavaskar who was prolific breaking records against greatest bowling that too as an opener without a helmet.?I rate him ahead of Border and Pinting.No Sobers?

SG can arguably replace AB only. Ponting was a better player. Much more dominant and destructive. Also SG's WI feat is a bit of a fallacy as it was mostly pre-quartet.
 
Here are some opinions on Barry:

Len Hutton(former English opening batsman and all-time great, one of the greatest opening batsman ever.) -- Barry Richards was a fine strokemaker of the highest class and a player I would hold up as an example for any schoolboy to try to emulate. (Hutton selected Barry as part of his top opening batsmen ever. He ranked him second to Jack Hobbs and ahead of the likes of Gavaskar and Suttcliff)
Basil D' Oliviera(former South African player, made more famous due to his skin colur controversy rather than his game. Played for England as well) -- Barry Richards sits atop at my list of greatest battlers in the game. As well as marvellous ability he was blessed with fighting qualities. Could break the heart of the bowlers with competitive spirit, battling regardless of what was thrown(at him). (D' Oliviera selected Barry Richards as part of his greatest battler of cricket selection. Other to make the cut included Sobers, Kanhai, Viv and Greg Chappell)
Ted Dexter(Known as ultimate buccaneer of English cricket, marvellous player in his own right.) -- Barry ws a delight to watch for the fluency and range of his strokes. The only better stroke player than him was Gary Sobers. (Ted selected Barry as part of greatest stroke makers list. The others to make the cut included Sobers, Graeme Pollock, Viv Richards)
Colin Milburn(English all-rounder known for his girth and hard-hitting, made more famous by loss of his one eye at peak of his career) --- He(barry) stands third in my list of greatest entertainers of the batsmen I have played with or against. The one and two are Gary Sobers and Viv Richards.
Keith Fletcher(former England and Sussex captain) -- The finest right-handed batsmen that I have played against are Barry Richards and Greg Chappell.
Graham Gooch(former England and Essex captain) -- Barry Richards is without question the best batsman I have played against. He had all the shots and made batting look extremely easy. His timing was perfect and he had power and precision all-around the wicket.It was a pleasure to watch him in action, even when having to chase his shots to the boundary.
Kim Hughes(Australian captain famous for his strokeplay, not wearing helmets while batting and resigning from captaincy in tears) -- To be perfect batsman you have to have the concentration and tecnique of Geoff Boycott and power,grace and dashing strokeplay of Viv Richards. The player who had the mixture of these two qualities was Barry Richards, the perfect batsman to me. In Australia cricket followers still recall the match in 1971 when he scored 325 in a day. He totalled 1538 runs that season at an average of 109.86. That was batting in the Bradman class.(at the time Barry was the batsman who had come closest to Bradman's 50 years record of 1690 runs in a season in Sheffield Shield)
John Lever(former English left arm bowler made more famous for Vaseline incident) -- Barry Richards is the closest to the most perfect batsman I have seen or bowled to. He can play shots all around the wicket, on all kind of pitches and has a very sound technique.
John Snow(English fast bowler, famous in India for butting into Sunny Gavaskar while he batsman ran for a quick single) -- Gary Sobers and Barry Richards are the perfect batsman I saw. Had Barry Richards had the challenge of more Test cricket, I feel he might hae reached the same heights and recognition as the genius Sobers.
Brian Johnston (arguably one of the greatest commentators ever, also known around the world for his hilarous laugh tete-a-tete with Aggers about "He couldnt get his leg over" incident regarding Botham) -- Barry Richards and Len Hutton are my dream team openers. Two absolute masters. (the rest of the team included Viv Richards,Bradman, Hammond, Compton, Sobers, Benaud/Laker, Evans, Lindwall and Lillee)
Dennis Lillee(former Australian great, the reason why Gavaskar tried to stage a walk-out during a test match) -- I have seen him play county cricket and WSC where he scored hundreds making them look so easy it made me wonder just how good he could have been. He was difficult to bowl to because he could play every shot in the book and then some. He was a magician. Like Viv, he created shots that I had never seen before but he was very elegant and brutal in effect. (Lillee included Barry Richards as one of the 10 greatest batsmen he bowled to, Barry coming 3rd in his ranks after Viv and Sobers).
Henry Blofeld(TMS commentator famous in India for his "marvellous earrings" comments while gams in Sharjah) -- All the years I have spent watching cricket I have never ever seen anyone make the art of batting look simpler. Had South African sporting isolation not happened, Barry Richards might have been the batsman to have come closest to Don Bradman. He(Barry) opened for Hampshire with Gordon Greendidge and there is no doubt that he was the better batsman.It would be impossible to play the ball as late as Barry did.I remember in a game where I was told by a bowler "Its got to the stage that when I come in to bowl to him he blocks the bad balls and hits only the good ones. It seems to amuse him more". I(Henry Blofeld) remember once being told that he(Barry) made a century in a game by playing all the shots with edge of the blade...he might very well could have.
 
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Don Bradman
Graeme Pollock
Sachin Tendulkar
Ricky Ponting
Rahul Dravid
 
First of all, im only going to rate batsmen whom we have extensive coverage of, not unknowns like barry or hobbs that feasted on bowlers who were just bowling for fun.

Viv
Tendulkar
Ponting
Lara
Gavaskar
 
From the players I've watched.

Not in any special order...

1) Ricky Ponting (My Fav)
2) Sachin Tendulkar
3) Brian Lara
4) Kumar Sangakkara
5) Virat Kohli
 
Better to accept your error as how can you penalize the guy for not facing them in international cricket when such an outcome was impossible. #winner

Not having to face many great bowlers would still go agaisnt him when comparing him with others who did. Viv also faced those bowlers in FC matches, where he did not do well.
 
From the players o have seen play (1999 onwards)

1) Sanga (easily)
2) Sachin
3) Ponting
4) Dravidian
5) Kohli

Honorable mentions to Kallis, Inzy, Sehwag, Ganguly, Laxman, Hayden, YK and Saeed Anwar
 
I think I will go with the safest choices:

Bradman (duh)

Jack Hobbs (by consensus, England's greatest, and best of the immediate post-war period)

Gary Sobers (by consensus, best of his time, and usually gets ranked in top tier as a batsman)

Viv Richards (unanimously, best of the 70s/80s)

Sachin Tendulkar (general consensus, best of 90s/2000s)


I think, after all the debate and evaluation from pundits, these names will emerge.
 
In no particular order:

Bradman
Viv
G Pollock
Lara
Sachin
 
Could not agree more .perfect choice.Any order of merit?Also considering ODI format in regards to Lara,Viv and Sachin?

In merit only as these fiv are the one I regard higher combining all formats that too with tests obviously the priority.

In odis specifically:

Viv
Sachin
Ponting

Some other names will also come ahead of Lara.
 
In merit only as these fiv are the one I regard higher combining all formats that too with tests obviously the priority.

In odis specifically:

Viv
Sachin
Ponting

Some other names will also come ahead of Lara.

Sorry wish to know order of ranking in test matches and ODI s combined of Sachin,Lara Viv ,Hobbs and Bradman.Adding first class cricket in regards to Hobbs.
 
Bradman
Viv
Sachin
Lara
Hobbs

Are you only considering test cricket?If so then would not Lara rate ahead of Viv and arguably Sachin?Why do you exclude Gavaskar? like your rankings combining all forms of the game.Hobbs may then be at the top or even Sachin.
 
Are you only considering test cricket?If so then would not Lara rate ahead of Viv and arguably Sachin?Why do you exclude Gavaskar? like your rankings combining all forms of the game.Hobbs may then be at the top or even Sachin.

I have considered odis too for those who played odis because it would be unfair to leave out their contribution in that cricket and only consider tests.

For Bradman and Hobbs again, I am rating them overall as a batsmen and with what I have read and heard about them because obviously none of us saw those two.

Gavaskar won't make it to top5 or even top 10 for me.

I dont remember Lara doing much vs us and although is an overall a top tier player and a great spin player but is overrated vs pace and hence I won't put him above Viv or Tendulkar.
 
I have considered odis too for those who played odis because it would be unfair to leave out their contribution in that cricket and only consider tests.

For Bradman and Hobbs again, I am rating them overall as a batsmen and with what I have read and heard about them because obviously none of us saw those two.

Gavaskar won't make it to top5 or even top 10 for me.

I dont remember Lara doing much vs us and although is an overall a top tier player and a great spin player but is overrated vs pace and hence I won't put him above Viv or Tendulkar.
Why do you reject Gavaskar who had an incredible vrevord against great bowling?
 
Why do you reject Gavaskar who had an incredible vrevord against great bowling?

Not that good in odis maybe and just that there are others like Sobers,Hutton, Headley, Hammond, G Pollock who will make it to 10 which leaves no place for Gavaskar.
 
Not that good in odis maybe and just that there are others like Sobers,Hutton, Headley, Hammond, G Pollock who will make it to 10 which leaves no place for Gavaskar.

Could you make a list in order of merit of pure test cricket?That Would considerably boost Lara and Gavaskar.
 
Could you make a list in order of merit of pure test cricket?That Would considerably boost Lara and Gavaskar.

That list would boost both but I am not a fan of making such list and would need to have a bit more cricketing knowledge about past players before making any such list.So maybe sometimes in future I would do that but it wont be flawless still.
 
Wow, none picked Kallis in their top 5, someone who has 45 test hundreds and almost 25K runs across all formats!
 
why excluded Lara?I would prefer Ponting ,Greg Chappell,Graeme Pollock or Gavaskar to Kallis .

Lara was too inconsistent. He never peaked like Ponting, Tendulkar, Sanga, Kallis, etc.

I am a big fan of Pollock. I think he is the 2nd best batsman after Bradman but he did not even play 30 tests so I did not include him.

I forgot Chappell. He was definitely better than Kallis.
 
Lara was too inconsistent. He never peaked like Ponting, Tendulkar, Sanga, Kallis, etc.

I am a big fan of Pollock. I think he is the 2nd best batsman after Bradman but he did not even play 30 tests so I did not include him.

I forgot Chappell. He was definitely better than Kallis.

In peak Lara to me in test cricket could singlehandedly bear the mantle of a weak batting side better than any player and at his best could turn games more than any batsmen of his era.Kallis could hardly make the impact of Lara at his best as a batsmen.Lara's 5 best scores are better than any batsmen in terms of quality.If he played for a strong team he may have even overshadowed Viv Richards.

What about Gavaskar?
 
In peak Lara to me in test cricket could singlehandedly bear the mantle of a weak batting side better than any player and at his best could turn games more than any batsmen of his era.Kallis could hardly make the impact of Lara at his best as a batsmen.Lara's 5 best scores are better than any batsmen in terms of quality.If he played for a strong team he may have even overshadowed Viv Richards.

What about Gavaskar?

This is why its so hard to take your endless lists seriously, do you really think that Gilchrist could not turn a match every bit as good if not better than Lara?.
 
In peak Lara to me in test cricket could singlehandedly bear the mantle of a weak batting side better than any player and at his best could turn games more than any batsmen of his era.Kallis could hardly make the impact of Lara at his best as a batsmen.Lara's 5 best scores are better than any batsmen in terms of quality.If he played for a strong team he may have even overshadowed Viv Richards.

What about Gavaskar?

Check Lara's cumulative averages, he never had a crazy peak like the guys I mentioned. Lara was world's best batsman in the early half of the 90s but in the next 5 years, his averaged dropped to 48 I think. Lara played some ATG test innings but he went missing way too much for my liking.

Gavaskar would have made my list but i kept both formats in mind and Gavaskar for the most part was very poor in ODIs.
 
Wow, none picked Kallis in their top 5, someone who has 45 test hundreds and almost 25K runs across all formats!

Rightfully or wrongfully attacking players will always be rated higher.. That's why you won't see guys like Kallis, Hutton, Gavaskar etc on such lists.
 
Statistically Len Hutton is the greatest opener of all time. He proved himself over and over again on difficult wickets against top class bowlers like Lindwall, Miller, Johnson, Jack Iverson, Valentine, Ramadhin etc. to name a few. Add to that his astonishing FC longevity despite that infamous accident which reduced the length of his one arm by an inch compared to the other and he has a very good argument for being in top 5 test batsmen ever.

But I will keep him out because of my subjective preference for more attacking players as compared to 'wall' ones.
 
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Picking 4 is very easy for me.They will be in order of date:

Bradman
Sobers
Viv
SRT

5th one is tough.Do you select a opener like Gavaskar or a middle order player like Lara or Ponting.Do you consider Graeme Pollock or not?

What to make of Hobbs Hutton or Sutcliffe?

Should i select Weekes and Walcott?Or should i select George Headley?

I think i would go with the enigma Graeme Pollock.
 
Bradman
Viv
Lara
Greg Chappel

5th one is open for me - at least a dozen name comes to mind. Probably, I'll go for Hobbs.
 
Bradman
Viv
Lara
Greg Chappel

5th one is open for me - at least a dozen name comes to mind. Probably, I'll go for Hobbs.

I think Sobers and Gavaskar were ahead of Greg Chappell.Considering he opened Sunny had the edge as many experts bfelt.
 
Picking 4 is very easy for me.They will be in order of date:

Bradman
Sobers
Viv
SRT

5th one is tough.Do you select a opener like Gavaskar or a middle order player like Lara or Ponting.Do you consider Graeme Pollock or not?

What to make of Hobbs Hutton or Sutcliffe?

Should i select Weekes and Walcott?Or should i select George Headley?

I think i would go with the enigma Graeme Pollock.

Lara was in test cricket probably 2nd to Bradman.No batsmen single handedly held the fort and turned games for such a weak batting side or registered so many marathon scores.After scoring a century no great batsmen surpassed Lara's scoring rate,In a crisis he turned more games than Viv or Sachin.Morally almost a certainty in the top 4 ahead of Sobers.Best contender for fifth could also be Walter Hammond.Hammond was like a Viv Richards of his day. Nevertheless respect your choices.
 
No Tendulkar Why?

I went for top batsmen of generation, only Greg breaks that rule - he was truly the most complete batsman of his time; only 2nd to Viv.

During my time, I rate Lara the best best batsman of generation in combined format. He was the top ODI batsman of overall 90s and played some of the most clutch innings in history for both formats. Pointing had a great pick, but his failure in Asia will always go against him, while ST was a great batsman on pure batting merit, but he doesn't come close to Lara when it comes to bat against odds.

More or less, it's considered that Hobbs was the first greatest batsman, some considered better than Don - I go for reputation on this one as the champion of his generation like Bradman; so these two are my picks as part of history.

In my time, if I am to rate 5 batsmen on overall it'll have Tendulkar; but not in Test specific top 5. Not before Viv, Lara, Greg, AB (old one) & Kallis.
 
Bradman (The undisputed GOAT)
Viv (Dominated everyone everywhere)
Miandad (Gritty, average never dropped below 50)
Gavaskar (The original Indian little master)
Lara (Prince of batting) [The Wasim Akram of batting]

No SRT. Cuz like most people I highly despise Sachinistas' arrogance and he ain't even top Indian batter IMO.
 
No Tendulkar Why?

He doesnt rate Indian players.Tendulkar Gavaskar are not rated much by him.

But he will rate Greg Chappel who never played in India.Never faced the 4 great indian spinners.Toured WI only once in his career.

Its nothing new.
 
Lara was in test cricket probably 2nd to Bradman.No batsmen single handedly held the fort and turned games for such a weak batting side .

Lara had ATG bowlers playing with him. That's a huge advantage. Now if he had turned games on his own often then he should have scored more tons in wins against non-minnows. He has like 4-5 tons in win in entire career in the test format. Are we seriously going to rewrite history here? Lara performance was also too dependent on home tracks.
 
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He doesnt rate Indian players.Tendulkar Gavaskar are not rated much by him.

But he will rate Greg Chappel who never played in India.Never faced the 4 great indian spinners.Toured WI only once in his career.

Its nothing new.

What you are saying is absolute rubbidh again - that's quite evident when I find your usual rant missing from my post regarding Kapil, Vishi, Kumble or Kohli, even Srinath, just like PP missed you after the ICC voting ended in May.

This is a personal list & I have put my choices - don't bother what some random troll thinks for that. In the list of top 5 bowlers, I didn't put few popular choices there either & posters didn't came here barking for not picking their heroes - that's the difference in class.
 
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Lara was in test cricket probably 2nd to Bradman.

Lara averaged 44 outside of WI in 90s. He had no tons against attack consisting of Wasim, Waqar and Donald. He was able to score after those genuine pacers were done and improve his record in Pakistan and SA. Now he didn't have to face WI quick bowlers.
 
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