Your Pakistan Super League Man of the Tournament?

[hafizexpress]

So Kami has just been given the title for man of the tournament. Do you agree? And if not, who is yours?

 

[Moiza]

Shadab Khan!

 

[NauV]

Shadab Khan i think is the emerging player of the tournament . . is there no such award?

 

[Azzurri]

Wahab Riaz for me

 

[Markhor]

Shadab Khan for me.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Shadab.

 

[Moiza]

Wahab Riaz for me

Allah ka naam lou

 

[MRSN]

Kamran Akmal definitely. Even his 40 tonight was match winning innings. Peshawar should have won the first game as well when Kami played a splendid 80+. He was truly on fire this tournament.

 

[MRSN]

I'm sure [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] would name for the man of the tournament..

 

[nextover666666]

Ahmed Shehzad

 

[moghul]

The guy gave a tremendous start to his team and then won semi final and final for his team, no one else but Kamran Akmal.

 

[saabir]

Kami is the best player of the tournament . Rightly deserve this award. He should be back in the park team purely as a batsman. Watching him after a long team. He has really improved as a batsman.

 

[Hasan123]

Hasan Ali

 

[hafizexpress]

I'm sure [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] would name for the man of the tournament..

Too bad we didn't get to witness the beast in action for the Kings!

 

[syed abbas]

Shadab Khan.

 

[Mamoon]

Kamran
Wahab
Hasan
Shadab
Shehzad

Top 5 best players.

 

[syed abbas]

Although PSL has been a tremendous platform for our young players to show their talent,but it is sad to see TTFs like Kamran Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad performing well to cement their place in the national team.Sarfarz is unlucky to have these ever-maneuvering players back in the team just when he became the captain.

 

[moghul]

There will be 4 T20 in West Indies, enough for Kami to cement his place and if failed gain, to say him goodbye for ever. But it would be cruel on part of selectors not to select him, at least for T20s.

 

[super hitter]

I wonder if Sohail Khan played the same no. of matches as wahab, how much would he have scored,

bowled 3 less innings and still leads by 2 wickets,

however wahab was the better bowler

bye bye psl

 

[Yossarian]

Kamran
Wahab
Hasan
Shadab
Shehzad

Top 5 best players.

Notice something? None of the highly paid foreign superstars are on that list "without whom the PSL is not worth watching since it's just another domestic tournament".

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Great to see a Pakistani be the Man of the Tournament.

Kami fully deserved the award since he performed in the most important matches of the tournament and ended up as the leading run-scorer.

 

[Mamoon]

Notice something? None of the highly paid foreign superstars are on that list "without whom the PSL is not worth watching since it's just another domestic tournament".

Yeah I do notice that you still haven't figured out the whole point and purpose behind the PSL, and why we needed this tournament even though we have the Faysal Bank T20 Cup already.

So according to you, the fact that Pakistani played performed well means that we don't need quality foreign players in these league? Did you fail to see the massive difference between Quetta today and Quetta with the likes of Pietersen and Rossouw?

The sole difference between PSL and the Faysal Bank T20 is the inclusion of popular international players, and that is what drives the popularity and the sponsors. The biggest selling point of PSL and what made it popular in the first place was the inclusion of players like Gayle, Pietersen, Sangakkara, Pollard etc. They are the ones who helped establish the PSL brand, not the likes of Kamran, Wahab, Shehzad etc. who have been playing domestic T20 cricket but were not able to attract fans.

 

[Yossarian]

Yeah I do notice that you still haven't figured out the whole point and purpose behind the PSL, and why we needed this tournament even though we have the Faysal Bank T20 Cup already.

So according to you, the fact that Pakistani played performed well means that we don't need quality foreign players in these league? Did you fail to see the massive difference between Quetta today and Quetta with the likes of Pietersen and Rossouw?

The sole difference between PSL and the Faysal Bank T20 is the inclusion of popular international players, and that is what drives the popularity and the sponsors. The biggest selling point of PSL and what made it popular in the first place was the inclusion of players like Gayle, Pietersen, Sangakkara, Pollard etc. They are the ones who helped establish the PSL brand, not the likes of Kamran, Wahab, Shehzad etc. who have been playing domestic T20 cricket but were not able to attract fans.

Sounds like hero worship of foreigners to me. On the one hand, the best performers (according to your own post) were the likes of Kamran, Wahab, Shezad etc, and yet the public only comes to see the 'popular foreigners'? Surely, the fans simply want to see good cricket being played, regardless of whether it's by 'popular foreigners' or by domestic players!

 

[The_Odd_One]

Kamran won it fair and square.

 

[Bilal7]

Sounds like hero worship of foreigners to me. On the one hand, the best performers (according to your own post) were the likes of Kamran, Wahab, Shezad etc, and yet the public only comes to see the 'popular foreigners'? Surely, the fans simply want to see good cricket being played, regardless of whether it's by 'popular foreigners' or by domestic players!

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What separates the PSL from the Faysal Bank T20? I wouldn't say that the fans only come to see the overseas players but their inclusion has certainly played a part in the PSL's success.

 

[MRSN]

Sounds like hero worship of foreigners to me. On the one hand, the best performers (according to your own post) were the likes of Kamran, Wahab, Shezad etc, and yet the public only comes to see the 'popular foreigners'? Surely, the fans simply want to see good cricket being played, regardless of whether it's by 'popular foreigners' or by domestic players!

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foreign players are necessary..they bring much needed hype and fan following. for example I remember how my friends wanted to watch Karachi Kings matches because they had Gayle,Pollard and Sangakara...People were always curious how Gayle would perform and always expected Pollard to hit big sixes. People associate themselves with known big players more often which is why big foreign names are a must for a successful PSL.

 

[Yossarian]

foreign players are necessary..they bring much needed hype and fan following. for example I remember how my friends wanted to watch Karachi Kings matches because they had Gayle,Pollard and Sangakara...People were always curious how Gayle would perform and always expected Pollard to hit big sixes. People associate themselves with known big players more often which is why big foreign names are a must for a successful PSL.

Must be a desi thing then this fixation with foreigners. Notice how the T20 leagues in Australia, England and South Africa don't hanker after 'foreigners' just because they're foreigners, they only take them if they are seen as still capable of being performers and match winners. That's why they hardly take the 'has beens' who have stopped being picked by their national teams because they're past their sell by date, whereas the desi leagues go running after them for their 'big name' value.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION]

You are repeating yourself from another thread, and I wrote a detailed reply but you decided to dodge it to your convenience, but it wasn't surprising because criticism is easier than proposing a viable solution. However, I will quote my post from that thread here, hoping that this time you will the courtesy to respond because clearly, you still don't understand the value of the foreign players in the PSL, so you probably have a solution now which will allow us to overcome our 'desi fixation' kick the foreign players out and still have a popular T20 league.

You have completely missed the point of the existence of the PSL in the first place, and the analogy with the BBL, Ram Slam T20 Challenge and the NatWest T20 Blast are illogical to begin with. First of all, these leagues already have a decent number of overseas players. Besides, SA are going to launch a revamped T20 competition soon and there are talks that England will follow suit as well, so clearly, they realize the importance of having overseas players in their competition to boost the fan following and popularity, which obviously means more money.

On the contrary, the Pakistan T20 league that is played in September every year does not have a single overseas player. It is by far the most outdated T20 competition around with hardly any fan following and public interest. PSL happened in simply in response to the success of the IPL and later on, to a lesser extent, the BPL and the CPL.

PSL will be just another tournament without the foreign players. It is delusional to think that investors will pour in their money in a league where there are no foreign players and stars like Gayle, Pietersen, etc., and that it will have a considerable fan following. What innovations and what 'new ideas', when you will struggle to attract the crowds or have considerable TV audience, and thus, will struggle to attract sponsors?

Since you are adamant that it is simply the colonial mentality of the people that is the driving force behind the urge to have foreign players in the PSL, please walk the talk and provide a model with the 'innovative and new ideas', and explain how a T20 league without any foreign players can be established with the same fan following as the PSL and with similar power to attract sponsors, and how it is going to be different to the existing T20 Cup that takes place in Pakistan every September.

I'm sure you can do it, because you seem very confident that the PSL does not need any foreign players. Unfortunately no one in the PCB has your vision otherwise they would not have gone to such lengths to host a T20 tournament in the UAE so that it can attract foreign players.

Oh and by the way, these 'has beens' that you are talking about play in the BBL as well, which is not a desi league.

 

[cricketerB94]

Sethi.

 

[yasir]

Kamran
Wahab
Hasan
Shadab
Shehzad

Top 5 best players.

Notice something? None of the highly paid foreign superstars are on that list "without whom the PSL is not worth watching since it's just another domestic tournament".

That's not true, KP, RR and Mills were the reason Quetta was best team (minus the final)...You can see the difference in Quetta as soon as top foreigners were gone... KP also played the best knock of the tournament, when he chased 200+ against Lahore, his last 9 balls resulted in 39 runs(under the pump), no local guys match to that kind of power hitting...Not to mention Morgan, Billing played vital knocks

Karachi struggled because foreign power hitter aka Gayle struggles big time once agin this year...Pakistan is not producing power players like foreigners....These foreigners are mostly second or third tier foreign players not top tier for most part, still these teams depend heavily on them...Local talent is only good in spin department, rest we are struggle to match international standards

The big bright spot this year was Shadab and validation of Hasan (he has grown nicely)...We still struggle a whole lot in power game...This is why playing with these stars will be beneficial...

 

[Yossarian]

[MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION]

You are repeating yourself from another thread, and I wrote a detailed reply but you decided to dodge it to your convenience, but it wasn't surprising because criticism is easier than proposing a viable solution. However, I will quote my post from that thread here, hoping that this time you will the courtesy to respond because clearly, you still don't understand the value of the foreign players in the PSL, so you probably have a solution now which will allow us to overcome our 'desi fixation' kick the foreign players out and still have a popular T20 league.



Oh and by the way, these 'has beens' that you are talking about play in the BBL as well, which is not a desi league.

Oh I understand exactly what you're trying to say. And, as stated, in my opinion, it's nothing short of 'foreign player' worship amongst desis.

You should read the other thread in Time Pass, "Inglorious Empire: what the British did to India " (http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...glorious-Empire-what-the-British-did-to-India) where some desis give the impression that they wish the British had never left and the Raj still existed. The fixation with foreign players is along similar lines.

As for your comment relating to the BBL, I suggest you read my post in it's entirety, especially where I say that the Australian, English and SA leagues " don't hanker after 'foreigners' just because they're foreigners, they only take them if they are seen as still capable of being performers and match winners".

But then again, I suppose it's different for someone like myself, despite being of desi origin, to understand the fixation with foreigners that desis living in the sub-continent appear to have since I don't live there. I live, work, eat, socialise with 'foreigners' each and every day, so I guess they're not such a novelty for the likes of myself.

 

[Mamoon]

Oh I understand exactly what you're trying to say. And, as stated, in my opinion, it's nothing short of 'foreign player' worship amongst desis.

You should read the other thread in Time Pass, "Inglorious Empire: what the British did to India " (http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...glorious-Empire-what-the-British-did-to-India) where some desis give the impression that they wish the British had never left and the Raj still existed. The fixation with foreign players is along similar lines.

As for your comment relating to the BBL, I suggest you read my post in it's entirety, especially where I say that the Australian, English and SA leagues " don't hanker after 'foreigners' just because they're foreigners, they only take them if they are seen as still capable of being performers and match winners".

But then again, I suppose it's different for someone like myself, despite being of desi origin, to understand the fixation with foreigners that desis living in the sub-continent appear to have since I don't live there. I live, work, eat, socialise with 'foreigners' each and every day, so I guess they're not such a novelty for the likes of myself.

So for the second time, you have backed out when I have asked you to propose a viable alternative solution, which will address the concerns I have raised. Instead, you have changed the topic and have decided to divert me to the Time Pass forum. Sorry, but I am not taking the bait.

Yes a brown angraiz, the foreigners may not be a novelty for you, but for the people of Pakistan, the foreign players were a major selling point for the success of the PSL in the first place. People looked at IPL with envy and how Indian youngsters were able to rub shoulders with some of the top international players and were learning from them. This of course is not limited to non-desi players only; Indian players will go for more money than players from any other country because of their popularity and the number of Indians in the UAE. Someone like Kohli will be the most expensive player in the PSL, and he is a desi, which nullifies your false narrative of colonial mindset and fixation with white skin.

After failing twice to propose a viable solution where we can have a successful PSL without foreign players, I think you should understand that the inclusion of the foreign players is what made the PSL popular in the first place, and you don't really have an argument. That would save both us from repeating the same rhetoric in every thread.

 

[Yossarian]

So for the second time, you have backed out when I have asked you to propose a viable alternative solution, which will address the concerns I have raised. Instead, you have changed the topic and have decided to divert me to the Time Pass forum. Sorry, but I am not taking the bait.

Yes a brown angraiz, the foreigners may not be a novelty for you, but for the people of Pakistan, the foreign players were a major selling point for the success of the PSL in the first place. People looked at IPL with envy and how Indian youngsters were able to rub shoulders with some of the top international players and were learning from them. This of course is not limited to non-desi players only; Indian players will go for more money than players from any other country because of their popularity and the number of Indians in the UAE. Someone like Kohli will be the most expensive player in the PSL, and he is a desi, which nullifies your false narrative of colonial mindset and fixation with white skin.

After failing twice to propose a viable solution where we can have a successful PSL without foreign players, I think you should understand that the inclusion of the foreign players is what made the PSL popular in the first place, and you don't really have an argument. That would save both us from repeating the same rhetoric in every thread.

I've already previously addressed, in another Time Pass thread, your use of the "brown angraiz" phrase in reference to the likes of us, ie of sub-continental origin, living in the West. So if you think that using it again will rile one up, then think gain.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, I watch sporting events for their entertainment value regardless of the colour of the skin, ethnicity, religious persuasion, or any other such factors of the participating sportsmen/sportswomen (with the exception of nationality when it comes to the special case of players/teams seen as officially representing the country in a particular sport, e.g. The Pakistan or England national teams) . However, if these are seen as crucial factors for some in their enjoyment of sport then I guess it's their choice, although I'd say they have their priorities mixed up.

I personally found greater enjoyment in watching the young Pakistani players in the recently concluded PSL playing their heart out knowing that their performances could propel them into the national team or cast them into oblivion, as opposed to watching mercenaries who will be plying their trade for half a dozen or more different clubs in different leagues, both T20 and non T20, before the year or out, only to repeat the merry-go-round cycle all over again next year, and for whom the PSL is already out of their minds as they move onto the next league in another country.

On that basis, it's pointless arguing further.

 

[Big Mac]

I'm sure [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] would name for the man of the tournament..

Too bad we didn't get to witness the beast in action for the Kings!

I can't give Rahat Man of the Tournament because he didn't play a single game.

However, the fact that he didn't play and Karachi continue to be a poor team reinforces the value of Rahat. If Rahat played, they'd have won the whole thing, he didn't play and Karachi were lucky not to finish bottom of the whole thing.

Man of the Tournament? No.

Most Valuable Player? Why not?

 

[Messiah]

Shahid afridi

 

[proud_pakistani]

for me standout player was Ahmed Shehzad. I felt he was more consistent than Kamran but once Kamran got a 100 against Karachi he was always gonna get the player of the tournament and Shehzad did not help himself by failing to perform in the final.

 

[GreenMasterz007]

Afridi

 

[hafizexpress]

I can't give Rahat Man of the Tournament because he didn't play a single game.

However, the fact that he didn't play and Karachi continue to be a poor team reinforces the value of Rahat. If Rahat played, they'd have won the whole thing, he didn't play and Karachi were lucky not to finish bottom of the whole thing.

Man of the Tournament? No.

Most Valuable Player? Why not?

Most underachieved/underutilized player in history?

 

[Runner Up]

This man

 

[khurram39]

Kamran
Wahab
Hasan
Shadab
Shehzad

Top 5 best players.

Where is Suhail khan. Top wicket taker

 

[khurram39]

I think Kami did well and fairly got the prize.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I can't give Rahat Man of the Tournament because he didn't play a single game.

However, the fact that he didn't play and Karachi continue to be a poor team reinforces the value of Rahat. If Rahat played, they'd have won the whole thing, he didn't play and Karachi were lucky not to finish bottom of the whole thing.

Man of the Tournament? No.

Most Valuable Player? Why not?

His motivational speeches alone were enough to propel the kings towards a semi final berth bro. Had he actually played, the meaning and art of fast bowling would've been redefined and new cricketing laws would have had to be drawn up to cover the genius and guile of the THE DESTROYER

 

[Big Mac]

Most underachieved/underutilized player in history?

His motivational speeches alone were enough to propel the kings towards a semi final berth bro. Had he actually played, the meaning and art of fast bowling would've been redefined and new cricketing laws would have had to be drawn up to cover the genius and guile of the THE DESTROYER

Rahat, in his last test appearance, would have chased 490 to win in Brisbane had he not run out of partners. He was dropped for the rest of the series and we were comprehensively outplayed for the rest of the tour.

The facts speak for themselves.