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I'm really sorry but this guy is one of the biggest hypocrite going around. This is his video of condolences to the Peshawar attack but he didn't say a single word against his dear Talibans. He just talks about how those kids will get a place in heaven and how their parents are so lucky that they will be saved by jahannum if they have more sins, their children will ask God almighty to give them place in Jannat too. That's all right but why not a single word against those people that carried out this ruthless execution in the name of Jihad and Islam. Those 142 kids didn't die in some accident or some earthquake. They were killed by supposed to be the Jihadis and Mujahidins.

He left stranded Junaid Jamshed and let him ridiculed after his blasphemous comments when it was he who brought him into all this preeching stuff when he didn't even had full knowledge of things.

He is also the one who makes comments that these earthquakes and the polio are all the azzab of God almighty God. This guy is as hypocrite as Maulan Abdul Aziz.

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He has been the worst thing to happen to the the tabligji jamaat. No surprises at what he was doing there and they way he essentially backstabbed JJ after using him for 17 was just wrong
 
Iv personally never heard his bayaans and I dont follow anyone either. What is his background and has he ever openly supported talibans etc?
 
May be he is afraid of them...who knows if he said anything against them..they will bombard him also
 
Hypocrites is just a small word for people like them, always knew these tableegi's are fake.

Religion has become a business, the most lucrative business.
 
Be very careful of people who condemn the attack but wont condemn Taliban. They hide their sympathy towards the terrorist group by just condemning the attacks.

Like it or hate it but even so called corrupt mullah like tahir ul ashrafi has take a clear and bold stance against talibans and terrorist supporters.
 
Lords said:
Be very careful of people who condemn the attack but wont condemn Taliban. They hide their sympathy towards the terrorist group by just condemning the attacks.

Like it or hate it but even so called corrupt mullah like tahir ul ashrafi has take a clear and bold stance against talibans and terrorist supporters.
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Couldn't agree more here. He looks the most sanest of all these molvies on TV.
 
I won't call him a hypocrite. In Islam, it may be deemed as "Bohtaan", that could have some severe consequences on the judgement day.

Only Allah knows what's in someone's heart.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
He has been the worst thing to happen to the the tabligji jamaat. No surprises at what he was doing there and they way he essentially backstabbed JJ after using him for 17 was just wrong
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Please explain how he has been the worst thing to happen to tabligi jamaat?? Tons upon tons of people listen to attend his lectures.
If anything he has been very successful for the jamaat.

aukhan said:
Hypocrites is just a small word for people like them, always knew these tableegi's are fake.

Religion has become a business, the most lucrative business.
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Hypocrites (especially in islamic context) is actually a very strong term and shouldn't be used lightly. Have you ever bothered listening to his lectures? People easily overlook all the countless positive things he has said to find controversy in even stuff he hasn't said.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
He has been the worst thing to happen to the the tabligji jamaat. No surprises at what he was doing there and they way he essentially backstabbed JJ after using him for 17 was just wrong
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The TJ has become a extreme group.

Their manner of preaching is Not correct.
 
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Sakss said:
Iv personally never heard his bayaans and I dont follow anyone either. What is his background and has he ever openly supported talibans etc?
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His bayaans are not structured in a way that opens up a possibility of anyone to "follow" him.
He does not have his own school of thought that will actually create a group within ummah. He does not issue Fatwaas or talks about meeting the prophet (saw) in dreams. That's not his specialty or qualifications.
I will be surprised if anyone claims that he "follows" Tariq Jamil.

I think over the years Tariq Jamil's focus has been to send a reminder to the ummah. He talks about two parts of Islam.
"Ibadaats" that include worship of Allah, and "Ikhlaqiyaat" - the ways of prophet (saw) and his message of tolerance.

Tariq Jameel thinks that today a small group of Muslims is clung to "ibaadats" part of Islam and a majority has actually forgotten the "Ikhlaqiyaat" part of Islam.

Here is a small hint.

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I haven't heard a lot of him but what little I have heard I have found him good. he talks a lot about your character. He says Islam is not only about praying but about your character. 75% of Islam is about how you deal with other humans. Never heard him about talking about Taaliban, Jews, Christians.
 
Tableeghia hypocrisy is no surprise to anyone who's had the misfortune of encountering them regularly.
 
I dont know why people are hating him. I am sure he has consciously tried not to involved in any conflicts over the years. He is totally apolitical. He is a preacher, he does not issue fatwas, does not issue any bayans against Ahmedis, Talibans, Christains, Kafirs. Sunnis, Shias, Israil, Palestine, Kashmir, Army, politicians, Bhutto, MQM or any one. That is not his role. He "preaches" about following Islam in true way and make part of daily life and that's it.

And I also think he strictly follows Islamic teaching so he avoids "Buhtaan" .... Most of us forward facebook posts / emails without confirming (just watch last week posts on facebook shared by 1000s of people) and in Islam it is strictly forbidden to spread news without conforming.

Actually I wish all our masjid khateebs were like him.

I have listened to him over the years and I find his lectures inspiring. Just watch his above posted lecture and tell me you dont find that inspiring. All his lectures are like that.

He has never ever talked about politics and I like him that way. He has big following and respect because everyone knows he is not involved in any controversies. He lectures continuously all over the world and if he was spreading hate then you think he would be allowed to lecture in US/UK ?

Also regarding JJ, he thought was not right and so he said about it. That is true Islam that when you think someone did wrong, you don't side with him just because he was your friend and try to protect him. That is a modern day thing and if he had done that, there would not be any difference b/w him and Noora who just rewards his friends and family ...
 
Nostalgic said:
Tableeghia hypocrisy is no surprise to anyone who's had the misfortune of encountering them regularly.
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Come on man, you are more smarter than that. You know what surprises me that you guys have lived in US for a decade and you should be able to decipher complex things in life. If you were a guy living in Karachi watching Geo/Ary and reading Jang/dawn all the time, I would have understood it but after seeing all the world, you should be able to go one step deep.
 
I am quite surprised the amount of hatred some are giving him here. Very harsh.
 
The hatred against him is not right. There are many Mullahs to be hated but he is not one of them.
 
Nostalgic said:
You got that right. Avoids the elephant in the room even when compelled to speak about the havoc said elephant has wrought.
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He is totally apolitical, what don't you get about that? He does not think that is his role to be involved in Politics, he preaches core values and believe that if we follow core then we wont have issues like Taliban etc ...
 
mnoman15 said:
Come on man, you are more smarter than that. You know what surprises me that you guys have lived in US for a decade and you should be able to decipher complex things in life. If you were a guy living in Karachi watching Geo/Ary and reading Jang/dawn all the time, I would have understood it but after seeing all the world, you should be able to go one step deep.
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Before arriving in the US, I studied at a Tableeghia-run University for four years, lived in a neighborhood with four Tableeghia-infested mosques in close proximity for eleven years, had family members involved in the, uh, juggernaut. I would've been happy to dismiss the odd incident, but having watched and interacted with them for years, having seen them destroy careers, having experienced the unrelenting and frankly shameful emotional blackmail, I feel confident in standing by my words. Hypocrites they are, hypocrites they were, hypocrites they always will be.
 
Nostalgic said:
Before arriving in the US, I studied at a Tableeghia-run University for four years, lived in a neighborhood with four Tableeghia-infested mosques in close proximity for eleven years, had family members involved in the, uh, juggernaut. I would've been happy to dismiss the odd incident, but having watched and interacted with them for years, having seen them destroy careers, having experienced the unrelenting and frankly shameful emotional blackmail, I feel confident in standing by my words. Hypocrites they are, hypocrites they were, hypocrites they always will be.
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I am not doubting your experiences and I am sorry you had to go through that. Sorry there was a gap in communication here . I was here specifically talking about Maulana Tariq Jameel and the hate he was getting. Thing is little knowledge is dangerous and that's what a common Tableeghi suffers from, he thinks he has become thekedar of religion .... You know there are tens of thousands fake doctors practicing in Pakistan but I have not heard people hating doctors. Your education and your world experiences should be helping you to differentiate between good and bad info. One blank statement should not be covering all. If you do that then you go to other side of extreme.

Tableeghis should be like Maulana Tariq Jameel or Ustan Nouman Ali Khan ... As simple as that.
 
mnoman15 said:
He is totally apolitical, what don't you get about that? He does not think that is his role to be involved in Politics, he preaches core values and believe that if we follow core then we wont have issues like Taliban etc ...
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Isn't the Peshawar atrocity a political issue? He chose to talk about it, so how is he completely apolitical? He chose to talk about it, yet left out the most important aspect of it? It seems hypocritical to me. Your opinion may differ.

You say he is strict about "buhtaan," and won't speak about something without "confirmation." What sort of confirmation does he need about the Taliban's role in Peshawar? I guess even if this mythical confirmation does come about, he'll remain mum because he's "apolitical."

He wasn't so apolitical back in 2002 when he was using the Tableeghia bully pulpit to exhort people to vote for the MMA nuts. Is the apolitical approach a recent development?
 
Nostalgic said:
Isn't the Peshawar atrocity a political issue? He chose to talk about it, so how is he completely apolitical? He chose to talk about it, yet left out the most important aspect of it? It seems hypocritical to me. Your opinion may differ.

You say he is strict about "buhtaan," and won't speak about something without "confirmation." What sort of confirmation does he need about the Taliban's role in Peshawar? I guess even if this mythical confirmation does come about, he'll remain mum because he's "apolitical."

He wasn't so apolitical back in 2002 when he was using the Tableeghia bully pulpit to exhort people to vote for the MMA nuts. Is the apolitical approach a recent development?
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/End. Sorry, I just avoid conflicts because I am too lazy.
 
MRSN said:
I'm really sorry but this guy is one of the biggest hypocrite going around. This is his video of condolences to the Peshawar attack but he didn't say a single word against his dear Talibans. He just talks about how those kids will get a place in heaven and how their parents are so lucky that they will be saved by jahannum if they have more sins, their children will ask God almighty to give them place in Jannat too. That's all right but why not a single word against those people that carried out this ruthless execution in the name of Jihad and Islam. Those 142 kids didn't die in some accident or some earthquake. They were killed by supposed to be the Jihadis and Mujahidins.

He left stranded Junaid Jamshed and let him ridiculed after his blasphemous comments when it was he who brought him into all this preeching stuff when he didn't even had full knowledge of things.

He is also the one who makes comments that these earthquakes and the polio are all the azzab of God almighty God. This guy is as hypocrite as Maulan Abdul Aziz.

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Why should he shoot himself in the foot by openly blaming Taliban? Not only he will risk his family but also thousands of followers who regularly attend his congregations. Go ask your captain Khan why hasn't he condemned the Taliban yet? What is his government doing in NWFP to tackle these real hypocrites?
 
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Rizwan25 said:
Why should he shoot himself in the foot by openly blaming Taliban? Not only he will risk his family but also thousands of followers who regularly attend his congregations.
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Finally, a more plausible explanation instead of his supposed "apolitical" nature and strict avoidance of "buhtaan." Pragmatism. Some would call it cowardice, but lets go with pragmatism.

It really would be a shame if the Taliban attacked his thousands of followers (confusing, since someone else said he doesn't have followers per se).
 
Nostalgic said:
What conflict? We're debating the issue in a more or less civilized manner.
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~s/conflicts/debates ... online debates need too much effort my friend ... sometimes I envy you guys who here keep posting long messages ..
 
mnoman15 said:
~s/conflicts/debates ... online debates need too much effort my friend ... sometimes I envy you guys who here keep posting long messages ..
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Fair enough. Yes they can be taxing.

I've actually been away from the forum myself, inundated by work.
 
Nostalgic said:
Finally, a more plausible explanation instead of his supposed "apolitical" nature and strict avoidance of "buhtaan." Pragmatism. Some would call it cowardice, but lets go with pragmatism.

It really would be a shame if the Taliban attacked his thousands of followers (confusing, since someone else said he doesn't have followers per se).
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This could be a reason, and it's fair enough. Everyone should take reasonable steps to protect his life and the life of his family and his loved ones.

I am sure you will do the same if such an occasion is raised upon you.

As per "followers", I clearly meant to say "followers" as in the "followers" of Tahir ul Qadri, or Fazul Rehman or Siraj ul Haq or Sami ul Haq or Abdul Aziz or Brailvi or Wahabi etc. He does not associate himself with anyone of them, and neither does he have his political party or a school of thought where he issues fatwas day after day.

So far as condemning TTP, Tariq Jameel has not spoken or attacked any group in the bayans I have listened to.

There are many, many other Moulvies to do that for you if that's what quenches your thirst; however, there are few who will actually suggests what Islam wants from you and how success can be achieved.

Here is an example,

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Lords said:
Like it or hate it but even so called corrupt mullah like tahir ul ashrafi has take a clear and bold stance against talibans and terrorist supporters.
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aukhan said:
Couldn't agree more here. He looks the most sanest of all these molvies on TV.
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Tahir Sharid condeming is like Taliban condemning an incident after doing it

Guess the guy in these pictures

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How to use Peshawar to criticise a mullah in 5 quick steps

!)Find any recent video of them , saying anything whatsoever about Peshawar

2) condemn them for not condeming x, y and z

3) use 1+2 to now enable you to criticse himself, his family, his organisation, his next door neighbours etc

4) Now do takfir on him and label him as a non Muslim for (3

5. We have now condemned him to fake mullahood and he has no right to live on our earth


Another mullah down
 
Tariq Jameel is after all a human, and he is bound to make mistakes cuz that's what makes us human. If we don't make mistakes, then we are not humans, we are angels .

He is not perfect. May be the Opening poster is ?

Tariq Jameel is one the best scholars we have left. May Allah reward him for his work and protect him from evil. Ameen.
 
The amount of unnecessary hate he gets on this forum is uncalled for.

Every time I have heard him talk, has always been great and insightful. Really touches you, the way he narrates a story, really touches all groups of people, irrespective of age.

Some people on the forum really need a reality check.
 
chacha kashmiri said:
https://www.facebook.com/mtariqjame...3545574690042/930889043622358/?type=1&theater

looks like has has condemned it
He can now be a mullah again, if he wants to
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Lets see:

"My heart is crying tears of blood. What have we done to our peaceful faith, even children aren't being spared in its name. I ask the rulers, implement a just system, Umar's system, in which even if a dog dies thirsty, the ruler is held accountable, leave alone kids. For these cruel people, both this world and the next are destroyed"

Positively groundbreaking.
 
Strike Rate said:
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Would love to see a wrestling match between the Evolution and following....

Announcer: Ladies and gentlemen....In this corner...weighing a combined 3000 lbs.....specializing in devouring whole lambs each in one setting and subsequently releasing enough hot air to burn down a village....your very own "Guardians of Faith"....

MMM (Mujlis-e-Mote-Mullah)
 
saadibaba said:
Would love to see a wrestling match between the Evolution and following....

Announcer: Ladies and gentlemen....In this corner...weighing a combined 3000 lbs.....specializing in devouring whole lambs each in one setting and subsequently releasing enough hot air to burn down a village....your very own "Guardians of Faith"....

MMM (Mujlis-e-Mote-Mullah)
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To be fair, Sandwich Maulvi is quite slim. Or perhaps debauched is a better word. He's the lean protein filling between the bloated refined carb to his sides.
 
FreeBird said:
Tariq Jameel is after all a human, and he is bound to make mistakes cuz that's what makes us human. If we don't make mistakes, then we are not humans, we are angels .

He is not perfect. May be the Opening poster is ?

Tariq Jameel is one the best scholars we have left. May Allah reward him for his work and protect him from evil. Ameen.
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He is one of the best scholars ??

he is a mere mouthpiece of TJ ideologies.
 
Nostalgic said:
To be fair, Sandwich Maulvi is quite slim. Or perhaps debauched is a better word. He's the lean protein filling between the bloated refined carb to his sides.
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Like the mastermind of the current Peshawar attack named 'Naray' which apparently is Pashtu means slim. The slim ones turning out to be more dangerous it seems. In that case I change the name to:

MMM (Majlis-e-Manhoos-e-Mullah)
 
Tablighi Jamaat has never condemned Israeli, American, British or other super-powers committing atrocities either. This is not their style nor their objective. Never was.

Tablighi Jamaat is an apolitical reformist organization. They don't meddle in stuff that bad-mouths or criticizes other groups or sects.
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
The amount of unnecessary hate he gets on this forum is uncalled for.

Every time I have heard him talk, has always been great and insightful. Really touches you, the way he narrates a story, really touches all groups of people, irrespective of age.

Some people on the forum really need a reality check.
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I have same amount of respect for him before seeing this video but dude tell me if someone kill your children & then I tell you that you are lucky that your children were killed bcz they save you at the day of Qayamat.......tell me how it sound???
 
chacha kashmiri said:
https://www.facebook.com/mtariqjame...3545574690042/930889043622358/?type=1&theater

looks like has has condemned it
He can now be a mullah again, if he wants to
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lol we all know what he meant by those Zalims. Probably RAW,CIA or Mosad agents.

How hard is to disown Taliban's activities from Islam and give them a khitab on how wrong they are and how much big sins they are committing by doing this fasad ul arz?

Don't get me wrong I've listened to him a lot. The day he said the earthquake was the azzab of God almighty I started moving away from him.
 
Rizwan25 said:
Why should he shoot himself in the foot by openly blaming Taliban? Not only he will risk his family but also thousands of followers who regularly attend his congregations. Go ask your captain Khan why hasn't he condemned the Taliban yet? What is his government doing in NWFP to tackle these real hypocrites?
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To quote an Hadith if you see evil You must act to stop the evil with you hand, if you can't do that then you should try to stop it with mouth. If you can't even do that then you must feel bad about those people and that's the lowest of the imaan.

The least he could do is tell his followers if these Talibans are doing Islamically or not? Is bombings,slaughtering of innocents allowed in any Jihad? Are suicide allowed on innocents? He has a large number of followers who he can guide the right way and clear his stance on terrorism. simple..

I've never heard a single word said by him about Taliban's atrocities. Yes he keeps mentioning how people are going away from God by watching movies,listening to songs,not praying Nimaz but he never talks about the zulms being committed on the name of Islam.
 
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Look at Tariq Jameel's apologists, call others names. Is this is what he teach you at that expansive lahore mosque?
 
junaid.ahmed said:
I have same amount of respect for him before seeing this video but dude tell me if someone kill your children & then I tell you that you are lucky that your children were killed bcz they save you at the day of Qayamat.......tell me how it sound???
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What else do you want him to say?

I mean he's narrating what Islam says about the current circumstances, do you want him to make stuff up? In way this is a way of comforting the parents. I know its hard to comprehend but look at it from a religious perspective, I know those kids were killed by the Taliban, they are shaheed, and there is nothing wrong in what he said.

Your issue is that you're taking his statement too literally, understand the context of his statement and then you will see that he really doesn't mean what you are implying.
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
What else do you want him to say?

I mean he's narrating what Islam says about the current circumstances, do you want him to make stuff up? In way this is a way of comforting the parents. I know its hard to comprehend but look at it from a religious perspective, I know those kids were killed by the Taliban, they are shaheed, and there is nothing wrong in what he said.

Your issue is that you're taking his statement too literally, understand the context of his statement and then you will see that he really doesn't mean what you are implying.
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I think he infact everyone should have courage to condemn the real culprits openly, we all wants these peoples to say taliban wrong which these peoples are not doing.
 
junaid.ahmed said:
I think he infact everyone should have courage to condemn the real culprits openly, we all wants these peoples to say taliban wrong which these peoples are not doing.
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Maybe there is a specific reason to why. We all know who did it (heck they even came out and admitted it), so why point out the obvious. Maulana Tariq Jameel tends to stay away from this discussion and just focuses on the Islamic aspect.

To come out and say why didn't he do this or do that, is not a valid argument to spew hate against him. The way he explains the situation, I see nothing wrong with it, him not condemning the real culprits shouldn't in anyway cause him to lose respect, the whole world knows what the ground reality is.
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
Maybe there is a specific reason to why. We all know who did it (heck they even came out and admitted it), so why point out the obvious. Maulana Tariq Jameel tends to stay away from this discussion and just focuses on the Islamic aspect.

To come out and say why didn't he do this or do that, is not a valid argument to spew hate against him. The way he explains the situation, I see nothing wrong with it, him not condemning the real culprits shouldn't in anyway cause him to lose respect, the whole world knows what the ground reality is.
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dear bro you are not feeling the heat which we peoples are feeling here in pakistan, our society is distributed in two groups taliban & anti taliban there is no anything lies in b/w. One who dont want to say anything ag taliban or want to hide his emotions due to any reason is taliban for anti taliban & similarly vice versa. But the worst thing is that peoples become biased bcz of this differentiation
 
junaid.ahmed said:
if someone kill your children & then I tell you that you are lucky that your children were killed bcz they save you at the day of Qayamat.......tell me how it sound???
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His supporters will claim that what he said is true from a theological point of view, i.e. innocent children requesting their parents' forgiveness.

And it may well be correct, but there's a time and place for saying this. Weeks afterwards perhaps. I found it a very inappropriate thing to say right after the atrocity.
 
MRSN said:
lol we all know what he meant by those Zalims. Probably RAW,CIA or Mosad agents.
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Right. Even the "condemnation" he issued is vague. Only a cursory reference to "zalims," the bulk of the statement reserved for the rulers of the land.
 
junaid.ahmed said:
dear bro you are not feeling the heat which we peoples are feeling here in pakistan, our society is distributed in two groups taliban & anti taliban there is no anything lies in b/w. One who dont want to say anything ag taliban or want to hide his emotions due to any reason is taliban for anti taliban & similarly vice versa. But the worst thing is that peoples become biased bcz of this differentiation
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Thats not the case, I definitely feel the pain as a fellow Pakistani. I still don't get why he has to come out in the open and get involved in this whole mess, I mean he didn't come out and completely support them as well, he is staying away from that (like I said earlier, everyone knows who did it) and focusing in on the children which is the important part of all this.
 
Lol he was the one who addressed the nikah of Veena Malik and voiced Azan in the ears of her son.
 
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How much does this guy get from saudis? I gladly wait for the day, when I would get to see Eid Milad in Lal Masjid and that grand mosque of Lahore.
 
What Tariq Jamil is doing when not hanging out with cricketers, pop starts and his other cool celebrity friends.


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I can't comment on the man himself cos i don't know him or his work...I do find some of the comments on here odd though so maybe those in the know could clarify...

The likes of Cricket Engineer who says things like lock up all these extremist mullahs seems a bit off...one needs to find evidence of explicit support...refusal to condemn isn't indicative of support...and it is because of this awful culture that anyone who stays silent is considered a supporter and a combatant...this is why the army gets support when it kills civilians...

Tabligh Jamaat in the UK for instance are apolitical...they don't say anything...many organizations dislike them cos they sit on the fence...some of the more vocal organizations find their whole 'focus on yourself' position as counterproductive and some even view it as cowardice...they don't say anything about terror in the UK either but no-one accuses them of supporting terrorism...thats absurd and unless I am wrong they have a similar function in Pakistan...ie they are apolitical...

Silence = support is an awful position to take and i find it ironic that the likes of Cricket Engineer moan about extremism when their views on Afghans and now it seems Tabligh Jamaat seem to be of the cleansing variety...
 
mnoman15 said:
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I don't hate him. I simply don't like him how he has got dual faces. On one hand he doesn't want to condemn the killers, the people who take ownership in killing innocent people because he wants to keep himself away from all this stuff and don't want to be controversial, but on the other hand he is sitting with killers? It's all hypocrisy.
 
I came across one of the TJ today and he still believed that it wasn't the Taliban but a foreign conspiracy, but when I pointed the fact that the PK army is not buying that crap any more, he didn't have much to say. Sadly these nutters were created by our army for proxy wars and now they have turned on our innocent people. The generals have made billions, the politicians have made billions, the mullahs have made billions but the poor awam have got nothing but misery.
 
shaykh said:
I can't comment on the man himself cos i don't know him or his work...I do find some of the comments on here odd though so maybe those in the know could clarify...

The likes of Cricket Engineer who says things like lock up all these extremist mullahs seems a bit off...one needs to find evidence of explicit support...refusal to condemn isn't indicative of support...and it is because of this awful culture that anyone who stays silent is considered a supporter and a combatant...this is why the army gets support when it kills civilians...

Tabligh Jamaat in the UK for instance are apolitical...they don't say anything...many organizations dislike them cos they sit on the fence...some of the more vocal organizations find their whole 'focus on yourself' position as counterproductive and some even view it as cowardice...they don't say anything about terror in the UK either but no-one accuses them of supporting terrorism...thats absurd and unless I am wrong they have a similar function in Pakistan...ie they are apolitical...

Silence = support is an awful position to take and i find it ironic that the likes of Cricket Engineer moan about extremism when their views on Afghans and now it seems Tabligh Jamaat seem to be of the cleansing variety...
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That is correct. I have spent a lot of the time with TJ (Also spent 40 continuous days with them roaming around preaching random people). Even if they have aspirations of a global Khilafah, they keep it to themselves and never discuss in public.

This thread makes me realize that most people want to be live in their bubble.

As for Maulana Tariq Jameel, he is not the leader of TJ. Haji Sahab (abdul wahab) is. Maulana is entitled to his views and he did the right thing by not taking a hit on anyone.
 
FreeBird said:
Tariq Jameel is after all a human, and he is bound to make mistakes cuz that's what makes us human. If we don't make mistakes, then we are not humans, we are angels .

He is not perfect. May be the Opening poster is ?

Tariq Jameel is one the best scholars we have left. May Allah reward him for his work and protect him from evil. Ameen.
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He is not even the best of deoband. I'm yet to see his scholarly work. He's just a good speaker.

I've no doubts on his hypocrisy. Disowned Junaid Jamshed completely and then defended him soon after in his other video :facepalm:.
 
shakil said:
That is correct. I have spent a lot of the time with TJ (Also spent 40 continuous days with them roaming around preaching random people). Even if they have aspirations of a global Khilafah, they keep it to themselves and never discuss in public.

This thread makes me realize that most people want to be live in their bubble.

As for Maulana Tariq Jameel, he is not the leader of TJ. Haji Sahab (abdul wahab) is. Maulana is entitled to his views and he did the right thing by not taking a hit on anyone.
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He's the face of TJ. People know more about him than Abdul Wahab. You could have condemned without taking the name as well.
 
Bashira_taeli said:
What Tariq Jamil is doing when not hanging out with cricketers, pop starts and his other cool celebrity friends.


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Nostalgic said:
This one deserves a Caption This thread of its own.

MTJ: ... and then I sez to da parents, dem kiddos goin to heaven, so chill, har har har
ASWJ guy: cuz your "apolitical" he he he
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My turn:

MTJ: Maulana sahab....did you see that JJ apology video....haha...what a buffoon...ye celebrity bhi bus

Maulan Ludhianvi: I know Maulana sahab....neem hakeem khatra e jaan....haha
 
Another one:

MTJ: Aye kuch abr, kuch sharaab aaye, la la la la la
Ludhianvi: Uss ke baad aye jo azaab aaye, ha ha ha ha ha

For some reason the gao takiyas, carpets, (and the incongruous bathroom tiles on the walls) made me think of the couplet.
 
So what should he say?

I openly condemn Taliban for this, and get attacked by Taliban and embrace Shahdat the same way?

I am no fan of Maulanas and very nonreligious, but I find some people are being literally stupid here.

Would you knowingly speak on the public Media condemning the accident, if you knew that Taliban could come and exterminate your family the next day if they wanted?

If you would, you're a better man (stronger man in Imaan) than most of us out there.

He simply felt sad for the children.

He might even think in his heart that Taliban did wrong, and that is enough for lowest level of Imaan. However, here people want him to publicly denounce the killings if he is Imaan wala. Unreal. How can you judge someone is hypocrite based on him remaining quiet about the the Taliban?
Seems to me people seem to understand him much better than he himself understands.
 
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