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Peter Navarro, US President Donald Trump’s senior counsellor who has recently criticised India repeatedly, set off another controversy on Monday (September 1), after he claimed “Brahmins are profiteering at the expense of the Indian people.”

Speaking in the context of international trade, Navarro told Fox News, “India is the maharaja of tariffs. They have the highest tariffs in the world. They export us a bunch of stuff. So, who gets hurt? Workers in America, taxpayers, Ukrainians. Modi is a great leader. I don’t understand why he is getting into bed with Putin and Xi Jinping when India is the biggest democracy in the world. I would simply say this to Indian people to understand what is going on here. You have got Brahmins profiteering at the expense of the Indian people, and we want that to stop.”

Navarro’s remarks led to a storm on social media, with many accusing him of racism, casteism, and using an “orientalist lens” to look at India.

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In the Indian caste system, while Brahmins are at the top of the pyramid and hold immense power, resources, and social and cultural capital, they are not traditionally the business class. ‘Brahmin’ in the sense of rich business families is more common in the US, where Boston’s wealthy elite were once called the ‘Boston Brahmins’.


Who are the Boston Brahmins?​

The Boston Brahmins were a close-knit community of rich, well-educated Protestants in Boston, most prominent as a group in the 1800s and the first few decades of the 1900s. They were often descended from the English colonisers of the US. Many had made their fortune in trade, and then married into families with more established lineage.

The term ‘Boston Brahmins’ was coined by writer Oliver Wendell Holmes, who in an 1861 novel called Boston’s elite families “the Brahmin Caste of New England.”

The Boston Brahmins espoused a lifestyle and value system that was closer to the English aristocrats. Apart from weath, the Boston elite was known for patronising the arts and for setting up educational institutes, the most famous of which is Harvard. The Boston Latin School, the first high school in the US, was founded by the Boston Brahmins.

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As an article by the New England Historical Society notes, “Brahmins founded elite college preparatory schools like Choate (now Choate Rosemary Hall), Groton, Andover and Phillips Exeter. Then they sent their children and grandchildren to them.”

They dressed in the style now known as “preppy” and spoke in a signature accent. They usually married within the community, and were regarded as snobs by others.

The fact that most people went to the same schools and colleges, moved in the same social circles and later married within them, gave the Boston Brahmins an inbred quality, rather like the strict intra-caste marriages in India.

Some prominent Boston Brahmins include former US Presidents John Adams and his son John Quincy Adams and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and the poet TS Eliot.

Opposed immigrants

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One of the reasons the ‘Brahmins’ managed to dominate Boston for so long is that the city is a peninsula, and is geographically easier to wall off than other major cities of the US.

The Boston Brahmins opposed immigration and even advocated book bans, many of the planks the Republican party still fights on.

A PBS article states, “In Boston, the Brahmins fought fiercely to close immigrants out. While they may have prided themselves on being the champions of abolitionism, they did not actually want black Americans, or any other non-Brahmin group, encroaching on their power or society.”

Former US President John F Kennedy was descended from Irish immigrants, whom the Brahmins scoffed at. An article in The Guardian from 2015 states, “I once met a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, who lived not far from where the Kennedys grew up, and asked her if she had ever crossed paths with John, Bobby or Teddy. She replied: “The Kennedy family resonated more at the national level than at the local level.” Nope, the locals never forgave the Irish for taking over their town. They never will.”

 
Peter Navarro, US President Donald Trump’s senior counsellor who has recently criticised India repeatedly, set off another controversy on Monday (September 1), after he claimed “Brahmins are profiteering at the expense of the Indian people.”

Speaking in the context of international trade, Navarro told Fox News, “India is the maharaja of tariffs. They have the highest tariffs in the world. They export us a bunch of stuff. So, who gets hurt? Workers in America, taxpayers, Ukrainians. Modi is a great leader. I don’t understand why he is getting into bed with Putin and Xi Jinping when India is the biggest democracy in the world. I would simply say this to Indian people to understand what is going on here. You have got Brahmins profiteering at the expense of the Indian people, and we want that to stop.”

Navarro’s remarks led to a storm on social media, with many accusing him of racism, casteism, and using an “orientalist lens” to look at India.

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Also in Explained | Who is Peter Navarro, the Trump adviser now criticising India for buying Russian oil?
In the Indian caste system, while Brahmins are at the top of the pyramid and hold immense power, resources, and social and cultural capital, they are not traditionally the business class. ‘Brahmin’ in the sense of rich business families is more common in the US, where Boston’s wealthy elite were once called the ‘Boston Brahmins’.


Who are the Boston Brahmins?​

The Boston Brahmins were a close-knit community of rich, well-educated Protestants in Boston, most prominent as a group in the 1800s and the first few decades of the 1900s. They were often descended from the English colonisers of the US. Many had made their fortune in trade, and then married into families with more established lineage.

The term ‘Boston Brahmins’ was coined by writer Oliver Wendell Holmes, who in an 1861 novel called Boston’s elite families “the Brahmin Caste of New England.”

The Boston Brahmins espoused a lifestyle and value system that was closer to the English aristocrats. Apart from weath, the Boston elite was known for patronising the arts and for setting up educational institutes, the most famous of which is Harvard. The Boston Latin School, the first high school in the US, was founded by the Boston Brahmins.

Story continues below this ad

As an article by the New England Historical Society notes, “Brahmins founded elite college preparatory schools like Choate (now Choate Rosemary Hall), Groton, Andover and Phillips Exeter. Then they sent their children and grandchildren to them.”

They dressed in the style now known as “preppy” and spoke in a signature accent. They usually married within the community, and were regarded as snobs by others.

The fact that most people went to the same schools and colleges, moved in the same social circles and later married within them, gave the Boston Brahmins an inbred quality, rather like the strict intra-caste marriages in India.

Some prominent Boston Brahmins include former US Presidents John Adams and his son John Quincy Adams and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and the poet TS Eliot.

Opposed immigrants

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One of the reasons the ‘Brahmins’ managed to dominate Boston for so long is that the city is a peninsula, and is geographically easier to wall off than other major cities of the US.

The Boston Brahmins opposed immigration and even advocated book bans, many of the planks the Republican party still fights on.

A PBS article states, “In Boston, the Brahmins fought fiercely to close immigrants out. While they may have prided themselves on being the champions of abolitionism, they did not actually want black Americans, or any other non-Brahmin group, encroaching on their power or society.”

Former US President John F Kennedy was descended from Irish immigrants, whom the Brahmins scoffed at. An article in The Guardian from 2015 states, “I once met a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant, who lived not far from where the Kennedys grew up, and asked her if she had ever crossed paths with John, Bobby or Teddy. She replied: “The Kennedy family resonated more at the national level than at the local level.” Nope, the locals never forgave the Irish for taking over their town. They never will.”


This article takes a bizarre left turn and goes on about the history of a group of protestants who were labelled as Brahmins because of their insular and elitist way of life :facepalm:
 
Ambani or Adani are not Brahmins, but can clearly see Trump admin is giving way more importance than I thought they would, the tariffs weren't supposed to affect them..

This is the problem with US Military corp they can’t take a no.
 
Ambani or Adani are not Brahmins, but can clearly see Trump admin is giving way more importance than I thought they would, the tariffs weren't supposed to affect them..

This is the problem with US Military corp they can’t take a no.
It is a human rights and social issue. Unfortunately a minority of Indians are exploiting the country and making large profits at the expense of the masses and at the expense of the Ukranians.
 
It is a human rights and social issue. Unfortunately a minority of Indians are exploiting the country and making large profits at the expense of the masses and at the expense of the Ukranians.
That happens in US too.. literally the President is doing that.

Caste is more of a discrimination issue, which too happens in Us with race nowadays(again), they are importing white South Africans.
 
If Obama’s administration was saying this it would make a lot of sense, they did a lot for equality, Trump Admins saying this is lost on hypocrisy, and they are just playing politics, the moment India gives into the demand Trump would be Brahmins r the best.
 
@DeadlyVenom the moment EU stops buying anything Russian , Russian will be bankrupt and reach economic levels of Armenia.
Ukrainians are dying majorly due to EU and China.
 
Somebody should tell Navarro that Brahmins are some of the poorest in the country. Most are lower middle class to middle class. Very tiny percent of them are rich. Many live on charity donations to temples.

The ones benefitting mostly are Shudra caste people. They form 60% of Hindu religion. They wield both money power as well as political power..
 
It is a human rights and social issue. Unfortunately a minority of Indians are exploiting the country and making large profits at the expense of the masses and at the expense of the Ukranians.
Brahmins did not hold any power since 8th century. Once Gupta period ended, Brahmins were basically poor. Most of their poverty stems from their own self inflicted rules of not owning any land and do business.
Majority of caste discrimination and riots happen between Shudras and Dalits. Even Dalits have hierarchy among themselves.

Recently there was news on Dalits shaving the heads of 40 tribals because a tribal girl married a Dalit boy.

Dalits are some of the biggest casteist people in India. They get all reservations because they were oppressed by upper caste, but they themselves discriminate others based on caste. Ambedkar must be rolling in his grave.
 
Three shades of USA in a single day- casteist, optimist, pessimist.

‘Brahmins profiteering off Indian people’: US Trade Advisor Peter Navarro

'India-US partnership defining relationship of 21st century': US Embassy in India

'Totally a one sided relationship': US President Trump

USA is rattled . India has showed them 🖕

:klopp :kp
 
India is a country with 40% youth unemployment, more than 350 million, YES, more than the whole population of Pakistan that earn less than 4 dollars a day.

There are more poor people (1.4 times Pakistan's population) in India than the whole population of Pakistan. Extreme wealth concentration amongst a few, high income inequality and a majority extremely poor population. Is Peter really wrong?
 
India is a country with 40% youth unemployment, more than 350 million, YES, more than the whole population of Pakistan that earn less than 4 dollars a day.

There are more poor people (1.4 times Pakistan's population) in India than the whole population of Pakistan. Extreme wealth concentration amongst a few, high income inequality and a majority extremely poor population. Is Peter really wrong?
Wanna fact-check the lies? Or are the burns healed better this way?🤡
 
India is a country with 40% youth unemployment, more than 350 million, YES, more than the whole population of Pakistan that earn less than 4 dollars a day.

There are more poor people (1.4 times Pakistan's population) in India than the whole population of Pakistan. Extreme wealth concentration amongst a few, high income inequality and a majority extremely poor population. Is Peter really wrong?
Kuch bhi? Pakistan is on Mars , India on earth, Pakistanis have quantum communication and Indians are using pigeons keep adding
 
Kuch bhi? Pakistan is on Mars , India on earth, Pakistanis have quantum communication and Indians are using pigeons keep adding
Don't you think everyone has the right to apply balm on their wounds?
 
India is a country with 40% youth unemployment, more than 350 million, YES, more than the whole population of Pakistan that earn less than 4 dollars a day.

There are more poor people (1.4 times Pakistan's population) in India than the whole population of Pakistan. Extreme wealth concentration amongst a few, high income inequality and a majority extremely poor population. Is Peter really wrong?
Pakistan is famous for producing and harbouring most wanted UN designated terrorists and spread the terrorism around the world .

Such a Great achievement for pakistan.

:klopp :kp
 
THREAD IS NOT ABOUT PAKISTAN AND WARS AND TERRORISTS.... STOP DERAILING THE THREAD NOW
 
It was a shame to see Modi getting in bed with Xi Jinping and Putin. I'm not sure what he's thinking. We hope he comes around to seeing that he needs to be with us and not Russia," says Trump trade adviser Peter Navarro

Who the hell are you to Tell us what we will do or not . We will do what is best for out nation.

Ye to abhi se rone lage. :klopp :kp
 
PCB needs to make it clear... Making such statements become comical if not cleared.

Wanna fact-check the lies? Or are the burns healed better this way?🤡

Kuch bhi? Pakistan is on Mars , India on earth, Pakistanis have quantum communication and Indians are using pigeons keep adding

Pakistan is famous for producing and harbouring most wanted UN designated terrorists and spread the terrorism around the world .

Such a Great achievement for pakistan.

:klopp :kp

Jaded is the same guy who told me a year or two ago that i am hallucinating racism against Indians and that it is a canada only thing. As of today, theres extreme racism against Indians worldwide. With indians getting beaten up on weekly basis in Dublin, getting abused in USA and Canada, and anti indian protests specifically calling out banning immigration from their country in Australia. You still want to do point scoring? You will never learn.

No one buys your pathetic narrative on Pakistan anymore. And here we thought India was supposed to compete with China, Trump and its administration has literally brought India on its real aukat. While the brahmins benefit from exploiting the lower classes, when the immigration bans start going up - the youth unemployment will only explode further and this should result in the balkanization of India.
 
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The rant you threw to distract from the real embarrassment of your fake FACTS isn't gonna work.

You make up lies to prove a point, that's lame @Slim.
 
The rant you threw to distract from the real embarrassment of your fake FACTS isn't gonna work.

You make up lies to prove a point, that's lame @Slim.
He didnt lie intentionally though. He has heard it in social media like how they heard they won the war against India.

#NurKhanKaImageDikhao
#AskingFromLast4Months


:kp
 
Jaded is the same guy who told me a year or two ago that i am hallucinating racism against Indians and that it is a canada only thing. As of today, theres extreme racism against Indians worldwide. With indians getting beaten up on weekly basis in Dublin, getting abused in USA and Canada, and anti indian protests specifically calling out banning immigration from their country in Australia. You still want to do point scoring? You will never learn.

No one buys your pathetic narrative on Pakistan anymore. And here we thought India was supposed to compete with China, Trump and its administration has literally brought India on its real aukat. While the brahmins benefit from exploiting the lower classes, when the immigration bans start going up - the youth unemployment will only explode further and this should result in the balkanization of India.
I seriously cant believe under how much delusion you guys live. Indians getting beaten up on a weekly basis in Dublin? You pulled that stats from where? Sure there are some random incidents but somehow you are passing it as norm. Compare that to what Pakistanis and muslims are facing all over the world. Moment you say the word Pakistan these days in UK, people think they are grooming gang members and ask their daughters to lock them at home. The days of these dramebaazis are long gone.
 
First they antagonised India by putting 50% tariffs, then when India is trying to mend fences with China they are getting agitated and throwing such statements.
America is acting like the jealous ex girl friend everyone here had.
 
Jaded is the same guy who told me a year or two ago that i am hallucinating racism against Indians and that it is a canada only thing. As of today, theres extreme racism against Indians worldwide. With indians getting beaten up on weekly basis in Dublin, getting abused in USA and Canada, and anti indian protests specifically calling out banning immigration from their country in Australia. You still want to do point scoring? You will never learn.

No one buys your pathetic narrative on Pakistan anymore. And here we thought India was supposed to compete with China, Trump and its administration has literally brought India on its real aukat. While the brahmins benefit from exploiting the lower classes, when the immigration bans start going up - the youth unemployment will only explode further and this should result in the balkanization of India.

Anti immigration across Europe, Australia, US is not targeted towards only Indians specifically but against mass immigration from all third world countries.
 
India is a country with 40% youth unemployment, more than 350 million
Below are the unemployment rates for Asian countries

India - 4.3%
China - 4.6%
Bangladesh - 4.7%
Pakistan - 5.5%

This is from CIA website. May be you can bring a more credible source to counter but stats show that India is doing far better than Pakistan. You can look it up.

YES, more than the whole population of Pakistan that earn less than 4 dollars a day.

There are more poor people (1.4 times Pakistan's population) in India than the whole population of Pakistan.
Extreme poverty rate (<3$/day)
India - 5.3%
Pakistan - 16.5%

Poverty rate (<4.2$/day)
India - 23.9%
Pakistan - 44.7%



You are celebrating the number of poverty people in India but look at the percentages.

“The report states that in India, 75.24 million people were living in extreme poverty during 2022-23, a massive drop from 344.47 million in 2011-12. This means 269 million individuals - more than the entire population of Pakistan - were lifted out of extreme poverty in India in just 11 years.

Sadly, for Pakistan, the story is quite the opposite. Extreme poverty figures have risen from 4.9 per cent to 16.5 per cent in less than 5 years between 2017 and 2021. Analysts suggest that the situation could be far worse because of Pakistan's outdated Household Income and Expenditure Survey. To add to this, the overall poverty headcount in Pakistan - at $4.2 per person, per day - has risen from 39.8 per cent of the total population in 2017 to more than 44.7 per cent in 2021.“

This the worst trend one could imagine for a developing country.




Extreme wealth concentration amongst a few, high income inequality and a majority extremely poor population. Is Peter really wrong?
Gini Index (measure of inequality, the lower the better)

India (2022) - 25.8
Pakistan (2018) - 29.6
This is the latest data available sadly. Given the poverty trend above, Gini quotient only can worsen during 2017-2023.


So, stop with the false propaganda. Not one statistic you have mentioned is correct. Pakistan is literally worse by any statistic than you can pick. And you brought the comparison and hence, I elaborated.

I think Pakistan is doing well in 2 stats.

Remittances as a share of GDP

India - 3.5%
Pakistan - 9.4%

Net migration to outside
India - 640K
Pakistan - 1.4M


Of all the discussion about why Indians leaving their beautiful country, net migration for India is <50% of Pakistan when the population is almost 6X times.

So, stop berating India with false stats and look it up properly.
 
@DeadlyVenom the moment EU stops buying anything Russian , Russian will be bankrupt and reach economic levels of Armenia.
Ukrainians are dying majorly due to EU and China.
Why should the EU stop? They are already arming and supporting Ukranians at great personal cost. You cannot equate them to Indian fence sitters.

India has profited from this human suffering, there is no end game for them apart from money. Of course decent people of the world will call out this shameless money making. Even worse it hasn't benefited ordinary Indians who are paying more at the pump than ever. It benefits Modis rich mates only. So we will stand by the president of the US in his battle to make Modi do right by his own people and the Ukranians.
 
Brahmins did not hold any power since 8th century. Once Gupta period ended, Brahmins were basically poor. Most of their poverty stems from their own self inflicted rules of not owning any land and do business.
Majority of caste discrimination and riots happen between Shudras and Dalits. Even Dalits have hierarchy among themselves.

Recently there was news on Dalits shaving the heads of 40 tribals because a tribal girl married a Dalit boy.

Dalits are some of the biggest casteist people in India. They get all reservations because they were oppressed by upper caste, but they themselves discriminate others based on caste. Ambedkar must be rolling in his grave.
He used terminology incorrectly but his point is valid. Small amount of.powerful people are benefitting at the expense of the remainder of the country
 
Why should the EU stop? They are already arming and supporting Ukranians at great personal cost. You cannot equate them to Indian fence sitters.

India has profited from this human suffering, there is no end game for them apart from money. Of course decent people of the world will call out this shameless money making. Even worse it hasn't benefited ordinary Indians who are paying more at the pump than ever. It benefits Modis rich mates only. So we will stand by the president of the US in his battle to make Modi do right by his own people and the Ukranians.
Are you ignoring China? The big daddy?
 
Jaded is the same guy who told me a year or two ago that i am hallucinating racism against Indians and that it is a canada only thing. As of today, theres extreme racism against Indians worldwide. With indians getting beaten up on weekly basis in Dublin, getting abused in USA and Canada, and anti indian protests specifically calling out banning immigration from their country in Australia. You still want to do point scoring? You will never learn.

No one buys your pathetic narrative on Pakistan anymore. And here we thought India was supposed to compete with China, Trump and its administration has literally brought India on its real aukat. While the brahmins benefit from exploiting the lower classes, when the immigration bans start going up - the youth unemployment will only explode further and this should result in the balkanization of India.
Yes racism is against only Indians now, Elon Musk with white Brits are doing the same.
The entire youtube is just getting filled with random AI videos of European racism and no they are not targeting Indians in the first round.

There is more chance of Alberta becoming free than balkanisation of India right now but hey why not.
 
Are you ignoring China? The big daddy?
China is open ally of Russia and enemy of USA. Their cards are on the table, they aren't playing a double game, bro. US policy with them is very clear.

Trump has asked India to come into the open and show their hand, and they have shown that they are more aligned to the Russia, China camp than the Western Camp.
 
China is open ally of Russia and enemy of USA. Their cards are on the table, they aren't playing a double game, bro. US policy with them is very clear.

Trump has asked India to come into the open and show their hand, and they have shown that they are more aligned to the Russia, China camp than the Western Camp.
Are you clear whether you are worried on human suffering or not?
Here let me put it directly as I have said it in Ukraine threads as well:
Russia is the aggressor and in wrong, India and China are in the wrong helping Russia.
India can’t afford to block Russia this has been consistent in every Indian update.

Now guess who countered me saying Russia isn’t in the wrong, majority British Pakistanis and now you are telling China has shown its hand, but has US stopping trading with China?
 
China is open ally of Russia and enemy of USA. Their cards are on the table, they aren't playing a double game, bro. US policy with them is very clear.

Trump has asked India to come into the open and show their hand, and they have shown that they are more aligned to the Russia, China camp than the Western Camp.
To be honest India doesn't really have a choice. Their vintage military relies on Russian weapons so they can't really turn away from Russia and Operation Sindoor has clearly showed the world that India is not ready to standup to China.

So Indians have lost value to US
 
It is interesting to note how "Brahmin" the word is used in a pejorative manner to describe an elitist class that wants to rule everything.
 
Are you clear whether you are worried on human suffering or not?
Here let me put it directly as I have said it in Ukraine threads as well:
Russia is the aggressor and in wrong, India and China are in the wrong helping Russia.
India can’t afford to block Russia this has been consistent in every Indian update.

Now guess who countered me saying Russia isn’t in the wrong, majority British Pakistanis and now you are telling China has shown its hand, but has US stopping trading with China?
I don't care what majority British Pakistanis say, Putin's attacks on Ukraine are wrong and have always been wrong in my eyes. Zelensky and West share blame too for fooling the Ukranians public.

Now why US hasn't cut trading with China I don't know.

But if US pressure on India can bring down the Indian and Russian oligarchs then it's something I support. I can't sit and do whatabboutery in this critical time. Ukranians are being slaughtered and Modi is profiting from their blood.
 
To be honest India doesn't really have a choice. Their vintage military relies on Russian weapons so they can't really turn away from Russia and Operation Sindoor has clearly showed the world that India is not ready to standup to China.

So Indians have lost value to US
They had a choice. Some small symbol would have made Trump happy.

Like Peace Prize nomination from Pakistan
Kier Starmer giving letter from King and saying we will give you a state visit.
Putin blaming war on Biden.

That's all it takes. But it would have dented Modis image of 56 inch chest at home. So they chose suicide rather than lose the image of their little PM.
 
I don't care what majority British Pakistanis say, Putin's attacks on Ukraine are wrong and have always been wrong in my eyes. Zelensky and West share blame too for fooling the Ukranians public.

Now why US hasn't cut trading with China I don't know.

But if US pressure on India can bring down the Indian and Russian oligarchs then it's something I support. I can't sit and do whatabboutery in this critical time. Ukranians are being slaughtered and Modi is profiting from their blood.
Whataboutery exists because one country whose trade is way more than India-Russia(Russia will do well even if India is cut off)..benefits Pakistan

Your entire view is cut off India and don’t care about other 3 trading partners:

China, Turkey , EU..Russia will still keep very well afloat even if Indian trade is cut off that’s why even in US so many folks are not buying the russian angle inspite of the administration continuously saying it.

Can’t forget UAE here too, how they have legitimised Russian oligarchs.
 
Modi told Putin "we use the oil money for Brahmos"

Trump heard "He said Brahmins"

Peter Navarro flowed the orders😀
 
Whataboutery exists because one country whose trade is way more than India-Russia(Russia will do well even if India is cut off)..benefits Pakistan

Your entire view is cut off India and don’t care about other 3 trading partners:

China, Turkey , EU..Russia will still keep very well afloat even if Indian trade is cut off that’s why even in US so many folks are not buying the russian angle inspite of the administration continuously saying it.

Can’t forget UAE here too, how they have legitimised Russian oligarchs.

Indians are close to my heart for sure, I want the best for them. So I will support US in ensuring they get justice. I don't care as much about China or UAE.
 
Indians are close to my heart for sure, I want the best for them. So I will support US in ensuring they get justice. I don't care as much about China or UAE.
Yes , that’s why I said it’s nothing to do with Ukrainians suffering its to do with poor Indians suffering that will suffer due to inflation, middle class and upper won’t care as services is not put on tariff.
 
Any Brahmins on PP confirm if their bank accounts mysteriously increased in the past month or so? If it did, then shame on you for profiteering at the expense of other castes. :mv :dw
 
Low-IQ sanghis do not understand they are pretty much expendable pawns. :inti

Those at the top get all the real perks.
 
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