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The Saudi way to preserve a potential crime scene!

Professional cleaning crews use chemicals, mops and trash bags to clean the Saudi Consulate, where Jamal Khashoggi was allegedly murdered, before the Saudis allow Turkish forensic teams to enter for their investigation.


'You Couldn't Make This Up': A Bunch of Mops, Cleaners, and Trash Bags Delivered to Saudi Consulate Ahead of Khashoggi Murder Probe

'You Couldn't Make This Up': A Bunch of Mops, Cleaners, and Trash Bags Delivered to Saudi Consulate Ahead of Khashoggi Murder Probe

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What does it say about the credibility of an investigation when a cleaning crew fully equipped with boxes of chemicals, mops, trash bags, and... milk arrives at the scene of the alleged crime right before the probe begins?

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...nd-trash-bags-delivered-saudi-consulate-ahead

"You couldn't make his up!!! Literally minutes after Saudi authorities said Turkish investigators could enter the consulate—a cleaning team arrived and entered the building."

The cleaning crew was seen entering the consulate shortly before Turkish investigators were set to arrive to carry out an "inspection" in search of additional evidence of who was behind the disappearance of Khashoggi, a frequent critic of the Saudi royal family.
 
The thing that shocked me the most was not the murder itself. I mean all countries kill spies or potential spies/enemies.
I was just shocked at the cow boy job done by the Saudi authorities. Why would they kill him in their embassy amongst the million other places?
 
The thing that shocked me the most was not the murder itself. I mean all countries kill spies or potential spies/enemies.
I was just shocked at the cow boy job done by the Saudi authorities. Why would they kill him in their embassy amongst the million other places?

Most likely because they are not very bright.

Anyway, what is all this outrage at the death of one man, when the Saudis have been killing thousands in Yemen for years. All the currently outraged US media's hero Obama provided the Saudis logistical support for their Yemen bombing.
 
Khashoggi murder: Turkey gives official details of Saudi writer's death

Turkey has given its first official statement on how it believes Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi was killed, saying he was immediately strangled.

The statement follows weeks of media reports about the murder at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October. Turkey has yet to provide evidence.

Chief prosecutor Irfan Fidan said meetings with his Saudi counterpart this week led to "no concrete results".

Saudi Arabia has not commented on the meetings.

The Turkish statement said: "In accordance with plans made in advance, the victim, Jamal Khashoggi, was choked to death immediately after entering the Consulate General of Saudi Arabia."

His body was then dismembered and destroyed "again, in line with advance plans", it added.

Khashoggi, a Saudi national working for the US press, was a well-known critic of his home country's rulers. His body has not been found, but Turkey, the US and Saudi Arabia have all agreed that he was killed at the consulate.

There is still no consensus on how he died.

What happened in the latest meetings?


Turkey said it had put three main questions to the Saudis during the prosecutor's visit:

Where is Khashoggi's body?

Do they have any new information about the planning of the killing?
Who was the "local co-operator "?
An unnamed Saudi official previously told Reuters news agency that Khashoggi's body had been rolled in a rug and given to a "local co-operator", who disposed of it.

On Wednesday, the delegation responded the questions in writing, according to Turkey.

Saudi Arabia said the answers could only come from a joint investigation. It also noted that it had never given an official statement on the existence of a "co-operator".

What has Turkey said?

Turkey has steered away from publicly blaming Saudi Arabia for the killing.

However, a senior spokesperson from the ruling AK Party said on Wednesday that it could not have been carried out without orders from someone in a senior position.

Saudi Arabia denies its royal family was involved.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke to Saudi King Salman last week, and the two agreed to continue co-operating in the investigation.

Unnamed Turkish officials have previously told media outlets that they had audio and visual evidence to prove their accounts of the writer's death, but nothing has been released.

Turkish media have published details on how sources say Khashoggi was killed, including allegations he was tortured.

His Turkish fiancée, Hatice Cengiz, gave a tearful interview to local television last week, saying she would never have let her partner enter the consulate if she had thought that the "Saudi Arabia authorities would hatch a plot" to kill him.

He had entered the consulate to sort out documents for their marriage.

What has Saudi Arabia said?

Attorney General Sheikh Saud al-Mojeb met Mr Fidan twice, visited the consulate and spoke with Turkey's intelligence agency during his visit to Istanbul this week. He flew back to Saudi Arabia on Wednesday without making an official statement.

Saudi Arabia has changed its account of what happened to Khashoggi.

When he first disappeared, it said Khashoggi had walked out of the building alive. It later admitted he had been murdered, saying the killing was premeditated and a result of a "rogue operation".

Saudi Arabia has subsequently said that Khashoggi was murdered, and that it is "determined to find out all the facts".

It has arrested 18 suspects, who, it says, will be prosecuted in Saudi Arabia. Turkey wants the suspects to be extradited.

What do other countries say?

Saudi Arabia has faced backlash over the death, including from its allies, who have called for answers.

President Donald Trump has said he is "not satisfied" with the Saudi account. However, he also said he was unwilling to sacrifice lucrative arms deals with the country.

Meanwhile, US activists have launched a petition, calling for a section of road near the Saudi embassy in Washington to be renamed Jamal Khashoggi Way.

On Wednesday, France's foreign minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Khashoggi's death was a "crime" and "odious".

He said France was not "dependent on our economic relations with Saudi Arabia" and the country would impose sanctions, but no details were given.

UK Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt also said it was an appalling act, adding that it had "possibly" given the US and the UK a chance to put new pressure on Saudi Arabia over other issues.

Earlier in the day, the US called for a swift cessation of hostilities in Yemen, where a Saud-led coalition has been fighting local Houthi rebels.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46049204
 
The thing that shocked me the most was not the murder itself. I mean all countries kill spies or potential spies/enemies.
I was just shocked at the cow boy job done by the Saudi authorities. Why would they kill him in their embassy amongst the million other places?

Rightly said. Turks did & still do what they blame the Saudis of but not in such a dumb manner. Half the MSM under Qatar payroll & the other half under Saudis all going beserk on this.

https://www.turkishminute.com/2018/04/16/opinion-dutch-german-intelligence-agencies-uncover-turkish-kidnapping-murder-plots/
 
Who'd have thought that an Israeli PM, and an extreme right-winger at that, would be defending Saudi Arabia, and to the American Administration no less.

Other Middle East leaders also have come to the crown prince’s defense. In recent days, Egyptian President Abdel Fatah al-Sissi and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have reached out to the Trump administration to express support for the crown prince, arguing that he is an important strategic partner in the region, said people familiar with the calls.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...cabf8bb2d0a_story.html?utm_term=.49fc4ce862e1

And of course there's Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and a close family friend of Netanyahu (who used to regularly come aand stay at the Kushner family home when young Jared was growing up).

Abdel Fatah al-Sissi,
Benjamin Netanyahu
Jared Kushner,
Mohammed bin Salman,
John Bolton
and of course Trump
- a match made in Heaven (or Hell, depending upon your point of view)

Kushner visited the crown prince at his palace in a secret October 2017 trip, a plan so closely held that it caught some White House and intelligence officials by surprise.

The two 30-somethings stayed up late into the evening alone discussing the prospects of Kushner’s Middle East peace plan. A few days later, the prince ordered the house arrest of dozens of rival royals and imprisonment of other enemies in a bid to solidify his control of the government. The White House and the Saudis have denied Kushner approved the power grab.
 
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Saudi's checking-in at Istanbul airport




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Contents of Saudi Diplomatic baggage
 
Who'd have thought that an Israeli PM, and an extreme right-winger at that, would be defending Saudi Arabia, and to the American Administration no less.



And of course there's Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and a close family friend of Netanyahu (who used to regularly come aand stay at the Kushner family home when young Jared was growing up).

Abdel Fatah al-Sissi,
Benjamin Netanyahu
Jared Kushner,
Mohammed bin Salman,
John Bolton
and of course Trump
- a match made in Heaven (or Hell, depending upon your point of view)

Why dump on Trump? At least he is honest when he says arms deals with the Saudis are a consideration and his hands are less bloody than Obama's who provided the Saudis logistical support for their Yemen bombing.
 
Why dump on Trump? At least he is honest when he says arms deals with the Saudis are a consideration and his hands are less bloody than Obama's who provided the Saudis logistical support for their Yemen bombing.
All the aforementioned others are only emboldened and relevant due to Trump holding the seat of POTUS.
 
All the aforementioned others are only emboldened and relevant due to Trump holding the seat of POTUS.

Emboldened due to Trump?

Sissi mowed down civilians and sentenced hundreds of political opponents to death during the Obama Admin.
MBS started a war on Yemen during the Obama Admin.
Netanyahu has been Netanyahu for the longest time, Trump or no Trump.
Bolton hasn't caused a country to descend into chaos like Hillary Clinton caused Libya to do by bombing Ghadafi during the Obama Admin.

Overall, the two years of Trump has been an era of peace compared to what was going on during Obama's time.
 
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Emboldened due to Trump?

Sissi mowed down civilians and sentenced hundreds of political opponents to death during the Obama Admin.
MBS started a war on Yemen during the Obama Admin.
Netanyahu has been Netanyahu for the longest time, Trump or no Trump.
Bolton hasn't caused a country to descend into chaos like Hillary Clinton caused Libya to do by bombing Ghadafi during the Obama Admin.

Overall, the two years of Trump has been an era of peace compared to what was going on during Obama's time.
Oh do read properly. Now there's a good chap. Note the words "- a match made in Heaven (or Hell, depending upon your point of view)".
"a match" in this contest is akin to saying "a team".

So here, let me put in simple terms that you may comprehend: If they were members of a football team, then Trump would be the team manager, and the others would be the key senior players in Trump's team.

Abdel Fatah al-Sissi,
Benjamin Netanyahu
Jared Kushner,
Mohammed bin Salman,
John Bolton
and of course Trump
- a match made in Heaven (or Hell, depending upon your point of view)

One is aware of the love Indians hold for Trump, thus it's perfectly understandable why Indians would not comprehend the analogy.
 
You persist even when you have nothing logical left to say.

If you say that Sissi, MBS etc. are a match made in heaven with Trump as "the team manager", then you are obviously passing judgement on Trump.

You completely missed the point of my post that Trump is not a warmonger, unlike Obama who preceded him. I know it is fashionable to think otherwise, but the data says otherwise.

No more replies unless I see something sensible.
 
You persist even when you have nothing logical left to say.

If you say that Sissi, MBS etc. are a match made in heaven with Trump as "the team manager", then you are obviously passing judgement on Trump.

You completely missed the point of my post that Trump is not a warmonger, unlike Obama who preceded him. I know it is fashionable to think otherwise, but the data says otherwise.

No more replies unless I see something sensible.
Don't worry. I completely understand the love that Indian's hold for Trump, and how any criticism of Trump is extremely painful to bear.


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Why dump on Trump? At least he is honest when he says arms deals with the Saudis are a consideration and his hands are less bloody than Obama's who provided the Saudis logistical support for their Yemen bombing.

:))

Haha as if you actually believe this. This bloke would sell his mother in order to sell arms to SA.

As for the OP, Saudi, USA, Israel are gangsters of the world, they know nobody can touch them. All the worry is just for show but in reality they are all laughing at the world.
 
Emboldened due to Trump?

Sissi mowed down civilians and sentenced hundreds of political opponents to death during the Obama Admin.
MBS started a war on Yemen during the Obama Admin.
Netanyahu has been Netanyahu for the longest time, Trump or no Trump.
Bolton hasn't caused a country to descend into chaos like Hillary Clinton caused Libya to do by bombing Ghadafi during the Obama Admin.

Overall, the two years of Trump has been an era of peace compared to what was going on during Obama's time.

Excuse me, the Iraq War ? John Bolton was one of the biggest cheerleaders of the worst foreign policy blunder (I'd argue crime) in the history of the US.
 
Excuse me, the Iraq War ? John Bolton was one of the biggest cheerleaders of the worst foreign policy blunder (I'd argue crime) in the history of the US.

Bolton was at most a very minor figure in making the Iraq War happen. Yes, Bolton would probably start a war with Iran given the opportunity, but he is a part of the Trump Admin he is limited in his actions by Trump.

If Trump starts a war I will revise my opinion of him. But right now, after 2 years in office, I have to give him high marks for not starting wars unlike Bush Jr. and Obama. People say Trump is anti-Muslim, but he hasn't started any wars on Muslim nations, whereas Bush and Obama started wars (Iraq, Syria etc.) in which over a million Muslims have died. Obama's CIA, along with Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc. started arming the Syrian rebels which led to the Syrian War.
 
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The thing that shocked me the most was not the murder itself. I mean all countries kill spies or potential spies/enemies.
I was just shocked at the cow boy job done by the Saudi authorities. Why would they kill him in their embassy amongst the million other places?

Because they want to send their message to the world and especially other journalists without leaving concrete evidence.
 
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