Zafar Gohar performance watch in Test matches

[Bewal Express]

Can you explain in detail about Zafar and Sajid problem ? At least Sajid has performed unlike Zafar

Zafar is gonna- not enough spin and not enough body with a runup that has no purpose. Like most people on here that saw him at U19 levels, the decline is shocking. The Problem with Sajid is simple, he rolls the ball out and the spin is mostly under spin, which allows a bit of drift away from right handers but no spin into them. He is in his weird way a clone of Imad. Its the reason that he caused a bit of problem for left handers but looks awful when he bowls to right handers. You may argue his stats are good, but for me he is awful.

 

[Zaz]

So we re judging him useless after one game in nz on a pitch where nz have dropped their only spinner?

Well done guys

 

[shah_1]

Zafar is gonna- not enough spin and not enough body with a runup that has no purpose. Like most people on here that saw him at U19 levels, the decline is shocking. The Problem with Sajid is simple, he rolls the ball out and the spin is mostly under spin, which allows a bit of drift away from right handers but no spin into them. He is in his weird way a clone of Imad. Its the reason that he caused a bit of problem for left handers but looks awful when he bowls to right handers. You may argue his stats are good, but for me he is awful.

Who is the best option?

Nauman Ali??

 

[BigShak]

[MENTION=130419]shah_1[/MENTION], do you think he deserves to dropped then after just the 1 game even though he was selected after being man of the tournament last season?

 

[shah_1]

[MENTION=130419]shah_1[/MENTION], do you think he deserves to dropped then after just the 1 game even though he was selected after being man of the tournament last season?

Man of the tournament becauase of his batting as well. His bowling stats were far inferior compared to other spinners

 

[shah_1]

This is a public forum, people are allowed to have an opinion. If he is good then he will perform regardless of what people say. Remember Rizwan?

 

[BigShak]

Man of the tournament becauase of his batting as well. His bowling stats were far inferior compared to other spinners

Should he be dropped from the squad then for the SA series?

 

[Bewal Express]

Who is the best option?

Nauman Ali??

He is certainly the best option available out whats on offer but again I have my doubts as to the suitability of his action for Tests. His action is too round arm for my liking but at least there is some spin. T20 has done lasting damage to PK finger spinners

 

[Bewal Express]

So we re judging him useless after one game in nz on a pitch where nz have dropped their only spinner?

Well done guys

I had made my judgment way back. For me he was never good enough but I was hoping to be proved wrong, unfortunately he is worse than what I had seen before

 

[Thunderbolt14]

This is a track that even Mitchell Santner isn’t playing on.

 

[Hasan123]

Probably wasn’t the right place to debut him on.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Once again Misbah's stupidity coming out.
Why would you debut a spinner in these conditions? Why not just play a full seam attack + haris?
Why play naseem after he was smashed around in the last test?
Why not play sohail khan who even according to him is a handful in these conditions?

Many questions he must answer

 

[Minnowbasher]

LMAO at those people ruling out zafar. Even Jadeja has been smashed around in these conditions.
Also, hes on flippin debut. Cut him some slack.
Reserve judgements on him until after the SA series.

 

[Fahdi]

I don't remember seeing too much hype for Zafar to be honest

 

[letme alone]

Even nz drop their spinner how we judge on this pitch with one match?

 

[Rayyman]

Not going to look into his performance in this match, but his English was surprisingly good.

 

[aloo paratha]

People are really writing him off after one test in NZ where the opposition isn't even playing a spinner?

 

[Shoaibbtt]

So we re judging him useless after one game in nz on a pitch where nz have dropped their only spinner?

Well done guys

It's typical on here. Hero one day and villain the next day. I reckon it's not fair and i would certainly trial him in the SA series where i think he will be useful along with either Nuaman Ali/Sajid Khan.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He can't spin the ball sharply away from right handers on good wickets with that action.

Didn't see him bowl in this test. Lost the interest after the first day. But he used to spin the ball a lot more than expected from an orthodox left armer.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Deserves to be persisted with

 

[Bewal Express]

Didn't see him bowl in this test. Lost the interest after the first day. But he used to spin the ball a lot more than expected from an orthodox left armer.

If you think he can spin the ball, then I can't argue with you
All I will say is that he makes part time spinners look like Shane Warne. I would be amazed if he plays another test ever again

 

[Saj]

Zafar Gohar:

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0 for 159 and the PCB media guy wanted to interview him.

Bravo

Oh and they also interviewed the guy who had figures of 0 for 141.

 

[ManFan]

0 for 159 and the PCB media guy wanted to interview him.

Bravo

Oh and they also interviewed the guy who had figures of 0 for 141.

Seems like the big boys were too ashamed to face the camera.

 

[Zaz]

Seems like the big boys were too ashamed to face the camera.

More like theyve been picked on and sent as a form of punishment

 

[mazkhan]

Zafar and naseem are the sacrificial lambs its clever management ploy to deflect the blame onto them

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Zafar and naseem are the sacrificial lambs its clever management ploy to deflect the blame onto them

Hafeez would have done better, not sure why he's not in the team

 

[Rayyman]

Batted well in this match. Handy all-rounder.

 

[hur rizvi]

Looked good with the bat but hopefully against SA he can show that he can be a good test spinner. If he cant spin the ball he won't have a future in tests

 

[King_Kohli]

Runs in this Test series
Shan Masood - 12 in 4 inns
Haris Sohail - 28 in 4 inns
Debutant Zafar Gohar - 71 runs in 2 inns

 

[JibranAnsari]

Runs in this Test series
Shan Masood - 12 in 4 inns
Haris Sohail - 28 in 4 inns
Debutant Zafar Gohar - 71 runs in 2 inns

when did shan score 2 more runs?

 

[mon858]

Now we know Yasir was laughing when giving debut cap to Zadar. Worst play to debut as spinner. Perhaps a play by Misbah and co to drop him later. They could have played Sohail Khan over him perhaps in hindsight.
I think in home tests he could take place of Faheem as bowling all rounder but I am not convinced he is our top performing spinner (even ignoring nz conditions and this test).

Yasir still seems more threatening and if we want to consider a second specialist spinner for home tests i would consider Sajid Khan or Nauman Ali.

 

[Mamoon]

He is a good cricketer. Decent batsmen, good fielder and a very good SLA for Asian conditions.

Should have been Yasir’s partner in Asia over the last 3-4 years. We wasted time with Mickey’s pigheadedness over selecting 3 pacers in Asia and picking rubbish spinners like Bilal Asif.

Even scam artist Shadab got to play Test cricket, which was a joke.

 

[Bigboii]

So I think we shouldn't take him as a specialist spinner anymore

Maybe he is the equivalent of Shahdab khan in tests atleast

Or am I over estimating his batting capabilities...
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] your thaughts (ready for some schooling )

 

[Bigboii]

He is a good cricketer. Decent batsmen, good fielder and a very good SLA for Asian conditions.

Should have been Yasir’s partner in Asia over the last 3-4 years. We wasted time with Mickey’s pigheadedness over selecting 3 pacers in Asia and picking rubbish spinners like Bilal Asif.

Even scam artist Shadab got to play Test cricket, which was a joke.

Yep that's my thinking you just just made it sound better

Unlike other spin options as yasir's second in cammand or his Robin in Asia

He is a better batsman compared to someone like Nauman ali or Sajid Khan

So if we want a second spin option it's better to put someone with batting capabilities than someone who is a slightly better bowler but comes up short in batting

 

[naseem]

Good handy batsman and more than a decent spinner for Asian conditions....should be one of two spinners for Asian conditions

 

[hur rizvi]

So I think we shouldn't take him as a specialist spinner anymore

Maybe he is the equivalent of Shahdab khan in tests atleast

Or am I over estimating his batting capabilities...
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] your thaughts (ready for some schooling )

His batting seems very decent and organized. I am surprised that he averages just 22 in FC

 

[Bigboii]

His batting seems very decent and organized. I am surprised that he averages just 22 in FC

Maybe it's a recent phenomenan and he worked on his batting to compete with SK

Or he played most of his career on green mambas where you can't really score runs

I think it's a mix of two

 

[ShahidDar08]

He is very good prospect and should be tried in white ball cricket especially in ODI's.

 

[shamaan]

It’s a tough place to debut but going at 5 an over isn’t good enough he should’ve aimed for figures like 2-100 of 32 overs.

At least people scapegoating Yasir now realise it’s tough for a spinner outside Asia in some places unless your Warne or Murali if Zafar keeps performing like this overseas his test career will be short.

Management fault they dont look at the conditions or stats of the ground they should be held accountable

 

[shamaan]

You have to play a spinner, he just isnt good enough

why do you have to play a spinner on what basis ?

 

[shamaan]

We've chucked the poor lad into the deep end. The expectation on him to keep it tight hasn't work due to the pitch offering way more to pace and bounce. Unfortunately not only is he doing poor but our pacers have been worse.

For the SA tour it would be wise to rejig some of the pacers up and manage them properly. But with Misbah and Waqar in charge, that will prove to be futile.

So I think we shouldn't take him as a specialist spinner anymore

Maybe he is the equivalent of Shahdab khan in tests atleast

Or am I over estimating his batting capabilities...
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] your thaughts (ready for some schooling )

hes better than shadab is bowling in tests but below shadab in batting

 

[mazkhan]

Zafar gohar imo like m nawaz is more suited to white ball cricket he would be a handy all-rounder , if he develop some power hitting ability he's a player who could excel for us at white ball cricket.

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan should persist with gohar in the south africa tour.it was a tough place for a spinner to bowl and Misbah should be held fully accountable

 

[ElRaja]

deserves at least 3 or 4 tests to show what hes about.

 

[ManFan]

He needs to spin the ball. That’s his first priority.

If he can’t do that in the future, he needs to make way.

 

[hur rizvi]

He needs to spin the ball. That’s his first priority.

If he can’t do that in the future, he needs to make way.

Definitely but I wont judge his spinning ability much on a green christ-church pitch where only a dumb management like Pakistan would play a spinner

He should play both SA tests as 2nd spinner along with Yasir shah and then we can pass judgement.

 

[hur rizvi]

deserves at least 3 or 4 tests to show what hes about.

This. Let's judge him at least after SA series

If he can spin decent amount even in Asia we can have a sound 2nd spinner option in Asian tests who can also average 25-30 with the bat

 

[hur rizvi]

If you think he can spin the ball, then I can't argue with you
All I will say is that he makes part time spinners look like Shane Warne. I would be amazed if he plays another test ever again

Not fair to judge debutant finger spinner on a green mamba pitch where spinners are hardly ever effective.

He should play SA tests before we pass judgement on him

 

[shamaan]

Definitely but I wont judge his spinning ability much on a green christ-church pitch where only a dumb management like Pakistan would play a spinner

He should play both SA tests as 2nd spinner along with Yasir shah and then we can pass judgement.

Why not try another spinner than yasir

 

[hur rizvi]

Why not try another spinner than yasir

Because Yasir is still the best spin option for Pakistan in Asian tests

People can take fancy new names as new spin options but there is just no one who is good enough to replace Yasir in Asian tests.

 

[Khan12]

People calling for his head after 1 game which is one of the worst pitch for spinners. Like to see him given a go against SA as a cricketer he is far better then players like sajid khan and nauman ali who looks way too old. With zafar yoy get a decent no 8 solid fielder and someone who will be decent in Asia.

 

[Bewal Express]

Not fair to judge debutant finger spinner on a green mamba pitch where spinners are hardly ever effective.

He should play SA tests before we pass judgement on him

Nothing to with his performance in this match. I saw him last year and within 2 balls I knew he can't spin the ball with that action

 

[Bewal Express]

People calling for his head after 1 game which is one of the worst pitch for spinners. Like to see him given a go against SA as a cricketer he is far better then players like sajid khan and nauman ali who looks way too old. With zafar yoy get a decent no 8 solid fielder and someone who will be decent in Asia.

Decent bat and fielder he may be but a spinner he isnt.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

Decent bat and fielder he may be but a spinner he isnt.

This is ridiculous.

This was a terrible wicket for spinners.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is ridiculous.

This was a terrible wicket for spinners.

As I said earlier, your talking about this match, I saw him last year. He is a poor bowler, look at what I said way before this match. I was hoping that I get proved wrong.

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

As I said earlier, your talking about this match, I saw him last year. He is a poor bowler, look at what I said way before this match. I was hoping that I get proved wrong.

You saw him subjectively one match.

He in his only match prior to this got Root out and then was dropped for what 3 years?

He’s the best spinner we have.

 

[Bewal Express]

You saw him subjectively one match.

He in his only match prior to this got Root out and then was dropped for what 3 years?

He’s the best spinner we have.

Let me brutal. I saw him last year and I thought he was awful and I was shocked that he was picked. Forget about test team, the guy isn't a FC spinner. This isn't the bowler that played U19 cricket, his action has no body, rhythm or spin. Now if you guys are right, then I will happily admit I am wrong

 

[Khan12]

Decent bat and fielder he may be but a spinner he isnt.

Spinner or not but when the options are nauman, zahid mehmood etc i know who i will take.

 

[Bewal Express]

Spinner or not but when the options are nauman, zahid mehmood etc i know who i will take.

Zahid doesn't have any control, basically Yasir. Nothing terrible but nothing good. Nauman doesn't have a great action, too round arm for my liking, but he has control and little bit of spin

 

[Khan12]

Zahid doesn't have any control, basically Yasir. Nothing terrible but nothing good. Nauman doesn't have a great action, too round arm for my liking, but he has control and little bit of spin

Have seen ebough of nauman and he is awful plus he looks around 40 ans an awful fielder on top. When the options are players like nauman zahid i will take zafar. Zafar bowling is at least on par with them plus miles better fielder and a batter then them as well as being 8 years younger too.

 

[Bewal Express]

Have seen ebough of nauman and he is awful plus he looks around 40 ans an awful fielder on top. When the options are players like nauman zahid i will take zafar. Zafar bowling is at least on par with them plus miles better fielder and a batter then them as well as being 8 years younger too.

ZG is not an international bowler and never will be with that action.i don't think Nauman is great but he is much better than ZG. Kashif Bhatti came to England but never played, I have seen much of him to judge him but he maybe an option.

 

[Khan12]

ZG is not an international bowler and never will be with that action.i don't think Nauman is great but he is much better than ZG. Kashif Bhatti came to England but never played, I have seen much of him to judge him but he maybe an option.

Kashif bhatti is a darter and he is as awful as they come. As i said i could careless if hes an international bowler or not at the moment the alternative are garbage and he provides more then them. Nauman i agree provides more control but hes awful other then that.

Here is non spinning zafar:

https://youtu.be/vxwc_zR6PVA

 

[hur rizvi]

Nothing to with his performance in this match. I saw him last year and within 2 balls I knew he can't spin the ball with that action

Now that he has made his test debut he should be given at least one series and should be judged based on performance before we discard him.

You may be right about technical aspects of his bowling but that won't make dropping Zafar a just call because he deserves a fair shot

Give him 3 more tests or at least SA series. If he fails we can hand test cap to a new spinner.

I have seen Sajid khan, Zahid, Abrar, Nauman and Bhatti and they all are nothing to write home about. I have no qualms in admitting that Yasir shah is still the best test spinner that Pakistan have. It's only fair that Zafar who made his debut on a green mamba gets a go in helpful conditions before getting discarded.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Obviously deserves a proper look in useful conditions. Seems pretty handy with the bat too which is nice.

 

[Bigboii]

ZG is not an international bowler and never will be with that action.i don't think Nauman is great but he is much better than ZG. Kashif Bhatti came to England but never played, I have seen much of him to judge him but he maybe an option.

If you want a better bowler than both Nauman and Sajid are better than him

But seeing his batting he is more of a Shahdab khan for test team than a pure bowler

We should be looking at him in that category

 

[Bigboii]

Let me brutal. I saw him last year and I thought he was awful and I was shocked that he was picked. Forget about test team, the guy isn't a FC spinner. This isn't the bowler that played U19 cricket, his action has no body, rhythm or spin. Now if you guys are right, then I will happily admit I am wrong

I have to admit tho

Even I thought he ain't that special and that was in FC cricket not this NZ test

So I know his bowling is hyped up by pperd but his batting got me excited

He is a player that we always wanted shahdab.to be like in tests

 

[Savak]

He needs to be given another opportunity to prove himself against South Africa. Not fair to judge him on NZ pitches which offered nothing to him

 

[Greenstorm]

You saw him subjectively one match.

He in his only match prior to this got Root out and then was dropped for what 3 years?

He’s the best spinner we have.

His action has changed after that and looked very mediocre in this test. Its telling that an average spinner like him is probably among the top 5 (maybe even 3) spinners in a country of 220 million.

Still, we should persist with him and Yasir.

 

[Bewal Express]

Now that he has made his test debut he should be given at least one series and should be judged based on performance before we discard him.

You may be right about technical aspects of his bowling but that won't make dropping Zafar a just call because he deserves a fair shot

Give him 3 more tests or at least SA series. If he fails we can hand test cap to a new spinner.

I have seen Sajid khan, Zahid, Abrar, Nauman and Bhatti and they all are nothing to write home about. I have no qualms in admitting that Yasir shah is still the best test spinner that Pakistan have. It's only fair that Zafar who made his debut on a green mamba gets a go in helpful conditions before getting discarded.

If they do give him the extra tests, he won't suddenly find a new action. I guarantee that if you saw him in a FC match you wouldn't take a 2nd glance. The ZG that played U19 isn't the bowler we saw in the test. I take your point that none of these guys are much good but surely in PK we must some guy that can spin the ball with reasonable control.

 

[mazkhan]

Well maybe it was a mistake to discard bilal asif too soon

 

[shamaan]

Because Yasir is still the best spin option for Pakistan in Asian tests

People can take fancy new names as new spin options but there is just no one who is good enough to replace Yasir in Asian tests.

Hes good enough in asain conditions but hes a burden on the team in sena i would go with gohar and sajid but thats just personal opinion

 

[hur rizvi]

Hes good enough in asain conditions but hes a burden on the team in sena i would go with gohar and sajid but thats just personal opinion

It's true that he's not good in SENA but since we are playing SA in Asian conditions Yasir has to play

Sajid khan is the new fan favorite among PPers but he's an extremely average offie. Zafar should play as 2nd spinner and if he fails to make impact someone like Sajid can be tried in future

 

[hur rizvi]

Well maybe it was a mistake to discard bilal asif too soon

Bilal asif was miles better than Sajid khan

 

[shamaan]

It's true that he's not good in SENA but since we are playing SA in Asian conditions Yasir has to play

Sajid khan is the new fan favorite among PPers but he's an extremely average offie. Zafar should play as 2nd spinner and if he fails to make impact someone like Sajid can be tried in future

But i feel he will be good in south africa then when we tour in sena he will fail again defonitely gohar should play as second spinner no doubt about kt

 

[hur rizvi]

But i feel he will be good in south africa then when we tour in sena he will fail again defonitely gohar should play as second spinner no doubt about kt

Not playing Yasir is not realistic but also meritless. It can be a PP fantasy but in reality, unless Yasir is injured there is no one close to his effectiveness among available spin options for Asia.

 

[MenInG]

Not picked for the series against South Africa - Mohammad Wasim explains:

"If you see a player is not ready (for Tests) then we need to give him more time; We need to think whether we need a spinner who can win us games or one who can bowl and add value with the bat also"

 

[UzmanBeast]

Not playing Yasir is not realistic but also meritless. It can be a PP fantasy but in reality, unless Yasir is injured there is no one close to his effectiveness among available spin options for Asia.

I've always believed that Yasir's poor bowling stats overseas are hardly his own fault, when your captain bowls you for 30 overs in Australia in one innings but bowls you for 15 in Asia, it makes literally no sense. Yasir was used extensively overseas to cover up the lack of talent in our fast bowlers, and that's a fact. He was made to look like a scape-goat being the reason we lost overseas, whereas our fast-bowling department was the bigger reason as to why we lost. That's just my opinion on the matter.

If Yasir was used aggressively overseas with fielders nearby bowling spells of no more than 15 overs an innings, and being called in to attack instead of keep a good ER, we'd have won many more away games. He's a quality spinner, possibly Pakistan's best after the previous legends we've had. Best wrist-spinner in test matches. Had he been used effectively, he'd be on 270-300 test wickets at this stage.

 

[shamaan]

I personally would have included him in the squad but wasim has picked 3 genuine spinners so he didnt have a chance of getting in the team as a geuinine all rounder and he explained this in the conference

 

[TeymurBlake]

Zafar Gohar being dropped for me is harsh considering he was picked for NZ tour and played a Test on a green top. He should have been retained ahead of Nauman Ali.

 

[shamaan]

Zafar Gohar being dropped for me is harsh considering he was picked for NZ tour and played a Test on a green top. He should have been retained ahead of Nauman Ali.

I think hes trying to priorits domestic performance which is fine but i do feel for him as he was only gjvrn one game