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Former Indian cricketer Zaheer Khan and his wife Sagarika Ghatge welcomed their first baby and named him as Fatehsinh Khan. The duo announced it on Instagram with cute photos showcasing their first moments as a family. Internet users have reacted with surprise to the name of their son.

Harbhajan Singh, Anushka Sharma, Angad Bedi congratulated both as the news went viral. The joint post shows Zaheer Khan holding his child on his lap while Sagarika rests her hands around Zaheer's shoulders. They captioned the post, "With love, gratitude and divine blessings we welcome our precious little baby boy, Fatehsinh Khan."
The name "Fatehsinh" symbolises a “victorious lion.”

Netizens react​

It has ignited debate on social media whether the name is fine. One of the users commented, “Der aaye par durusht aaye”, another remarked, “Old-fashioned naam hai, Kuch to dhng ka rkh leta ya." “Gud choice.i was worried they may name him taimur aurangzeb etc”, “Zaheer Khan has been my favorite bowler and he is a very good bowler, once again I wish him all the best for the birth of a son” were some other comments made.

Celebrities react​

New mom Atiya Shetty put a heart and baby emoji, while actor Angad Bedi stated, “Waheguru”. Huma Qureshi also put a heart emoji. “Big big congratulations and lots of blessings,” mentioned one, with Suresh Raina saying, “Many many congratulations”. Actor Diana Penty remarked, “Congratulations, you guys”.


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Great choice of name by one of the best fast bowlers world has ever seen. So glad he didnt kept his name on invaders like Taimur etc. like Saif Ali have done before.

We are so proud of you Zak. A role model on and off the field.
 
Bewal Express said:
So you want to name his kids. What is wrong with you guys. I fear for sanity
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I don’t want to name his kids, of course — but if someone names their child after an invader who killed thousands of Hindus, then others retain the right to criticize that choice.
 
Rajdeep said:
I don’t want to name his kids, of course — but if someone names their child after an invader who killed thousands of Hindus, then others retain the right to criticize that choice.
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But these names existed before these guys you take "offence to". If invaders were so bad, why not ban the English language. They too were invaders and they have left their traces
 
God bless the child.
I’m not a fan of doing politics over a child’s name. Bless the child and move on brother
 
Taimur used to be such cutu baby. Said bhai taking him to cricket coaching , hope he turns out to be a good cricketer and makes his legendary grandfather proud. Tiger Pataudi was the hero to many men of the subcontinent before Imran, Gavaskar, Sachin, Virat.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Phew it's a nice name. I was worried he was going to name him Ram Kapoor sririnam Krishan.
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Find it a bit of a mouthful personally, but I guess that's just because we are British. The automatic assumption is that he'd end up getting called Fatty for short...but then he's not living in the UK.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Taimur used to be such cutu baby. Said bhai taking him to cricket coaching , hope he turns out to be a good cricketer and makes his legendary grandfather proud. Tiger Pataudi was the hero to many men of the subcontinent before Imran, Gavaskar, Sachin, Virat.
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Impossible brother. Taimur can never play for Bharatiya cricket team. It will beat the purpose of nationalism in an international game. He can play in IPL though, especially in SRKs team Kolkata Knight Riders

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Bhaijaan said:
Taimur used to be such cutu baby. Said bhai taking him to cricket coaching , hope he turns out to be a good cricketer and makes his legendary grandfather proud. Tiger Pataudi was the hero to many men of the subcontinent before Imran, Gavaskar, Sachin, Virat.
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From what I've head from my elders, Tiger was the first great captain from India.
 
FatehSingh sounds like a Sikh name.

A pretty secular name and a proud father to a beautiful child. Congrats Zack and Sagarika.

Haters can go to …..Parents are happy and that’s all it matters.👍😎
 
Hitman said:
From what I've head from my elders, Tiger was the first great captain from India.
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Tiger Pataudi played to win. Before him there was no belief to win. He despite his major eye handicap was a very very good batsman. People can’t tell today how seriously talented a batsman he was with one eye and i dare any top batsman today to bat with one eye and they will know what’s it like. Tiger bhai absolute chad bro. Allah SWT rest his soul brother 🙏🏻 Always my Skipper! 🇮🇳
 
Rajdeep said:
Impossible brother. Taimur can never play for Bharatiya cricket team. It will beat the purpose of nationalism in an international game. He can play in IPL though, especially in SRKs team Kolkata Knight Riders

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Competition is tooooooo much today that’s the only thing against all these rich kids. No matter if their papa arranges practice at lord’s at the end of the day it’s all these poor kids roiling in the sun sweating for hours and hours trying to polish their skills against all odds, against all the pressures and tensions of a poor persons life.
 
Champ_Pal said:
FatehSingh sounds like a Sikh name.

A pretty secular name and a proud father to a beautiful child. Congrats Zack and Sagarika.

Haters can go to …..Parents are happy and that’s all it matters.👍😎
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On a lighter note,
A Muslim man married a Brahmin Hindu girl and they bargain a Sikh baby name. Haha

That’s my country for you all 🩷
 
Rajdeep said:
Impossible brother. Taimur can never play for Bharatiya cricket team. It will beat the purpose of nationalism in an international game. He can play in IPL though, especially in SRKs team Kolkata Knight Riders

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everyone getting defensive about the name Taimur are funny.
Taimur is not even a Muslim name. It’s of Mongol origin. A pagan name.

May be our friends from Pakistan should know that Mongols were Shamans. They follow a cult very similar to Shivic cult.

Somehow Taimur became an Islamic name and all these people get defensive as though it is an attack on Islam.🙄
 
Champ_Pal said:
FatehSingh sounds like a Sikh name.

A pretty secular name and a proud father to a beautiful child. Congrats Zack and Sagarika.

Haters can go to …..Parents are happy and that’s all it matters.👍😎
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I think looking at how a child's name was so anticipated by you guys, I wonder if they are happy or you guys are happy.
 
Rajdeep said:
Former Indian cricketer Zaheer Khan and his wife Sagarika Ghatge welcomed their first baby and named him as Fatehsinh Khan. The duo announced it on Instagram with cute photos showcasing their first moments as a family. Internet users have reacted with surprise to the name of their son.

Harbhajan Singh, Anushka Sharma, Angad Bedi congratulated both as the news went viral. The joint post shows Zaheer Khan holding his child on his lap while Sagarika rests her hands around Zaheer's shoulders. They captioned the post, "With love, gratitude and divine blessings we welcome our precious little baby boy, Fatehsinh Khan."
The name "Fatehsinh" symbolises a “victorious lion.”

Netizens react​

It has ignited debate on social media whether the name is fine. One of the users commented, “Der aaye par durusht aaye”, another remarked, “Old-fashioned naam hai, Kuch to dhng ka rkh leta ya." “Gud choice.i was worried they may name him taimur aurangzeb etc”, “Zaheer Khan has been my favorite bowler and he is a very good bowler, once again I wish him all the best for the birth of a son” were some other comments made.

Celebrities react​

New mom Atiya Shetty put a heart and baby emoji, while actor Angad Bedi stated, “Waheguru”. Huma Qureshi also put a heart emoji. “Big big congratulations and lots of blessings,” mentioned one, with Suresh Raina saying, “Many many congratulations”. Actor Diana Penty remarked, “Congratulations, you guys”.


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So when a "Muslim" husband and a Hindu wife use their child’s name to showcase their "secular credentials," it's celebrated — but if a Muslim names their child "Muhammad," that’s suddenly seen as regressive and sectarian?

Regardless of the intention by the name, it makes no sense and neither sounds good but each to their own.
 
India has become a meme. :inti

This really should be a non-issue.

Instead of focusing on important things, they are focusing on Mughals and cows.
 
LordJames said:
So when a "Muslim" husband and a Hindu wife use their child’s name to showcase their "secular credentials," it's celebrated — but if a Muslim names their child "Muhammad," that’s suddenly seen as regressive and sectarian?

Regardless of the intention by the name, it makes no sense and neither sounds good but each to their own.
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That is correct. As long as its a Hindu or Sikh or Christian name, it is fine with me. If you keep names like Taimur or Aurangazeb etc., Rajdeep will have a problem. And you must know how it goes when that happens.
 
sweep_shot said:
India has become a meme. :inti

This really should be a non-issue.

Instead of focusing on important things, they are focusing on Mughals and cows.
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But sweep_shot bro you said you didn't care about Indian opinions but you are participating in India related threads non stop 😔
 
Champ_Pal said:
everyone getting defensive about the name Taimur are funny.
Taimur is not even a Muslim name. It’s of Mongol origin. A pagan name.

May be our friends from Pakistan should know that Mongols were Shamans. They follow a cult very similar to Shivic cult.

Somehow Taimur became an Islamic name and all these people get defensive as though it is an attack on Islam.🙄
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There is so such thing as a Muslim name
 
Fateh Singh is a Sikh/Hindu name. Khan is from Zak himself.

Beautiful blend. The kid is a victorious lion ruler.
 
Zaheer was/is one of the nicest and well brought up Indian cricketers. Showed all his aggression on the field as a bowler b ut otherwise a very quiet and generous person. Never been in any major controversy. Never made in silly ott comment in the media. Married a woman of very similar vibes.

Zaheer Khan is who i wish most Indian muslims to be in life.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Zaheer was/is one of the nicest and well brought up Indian cricketers. Showed all his aggression on the field as a bowler b ut otherwise a very quiet and generous person. Never been in any major controversy. Never made in silly ott comment in the media. Married a woman of very similar vibes.

Zaheer Khan is who i wish most Indian muslims to be in life.
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Totally agree!
 
One of the best Indian fast bowlers ever, will give him that along with Mohammad Shami, Mohammad Siraj, Umran Malik, and ofc Irfan Pathan (pre selling out)

Rest are ok, but these are the best in terms of being well known Indian fast bowlers as well as human beings and role models. Hope more Indian folk look up to them for inspiration.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Zaheer was/is one of the nicest and well brought up Indian cricketers. Showed all his aggression on the field as a bowler b ut otherwise a very quiet and generous person. Never been in any major controversy. Never made in silly ott comment in the media. Married a woman of very similar vibes.

Zaheer Khan is who i wish most Indian muslims to be in life.
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The relationship of Zaheer and his wife and their behaviour would be an excellent template for how Hindu Muslim relations should be.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Zaheer was/is one of the nicest and well brought up Indian cricketers. Showed all his aggression on the field as a bowler b ut otherwise a very quiet and generous person. Never been in any major controversy. Never made in silly ott comment in the media. Married a woman of very similar vibes.

Zaheer Khan is who i wish most Indian muslims to be in life.
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So should all sikhs renounce their religion too for Hinduism? Hypocrite
 
LordJames said:
So when a "Muslim" husband and a Hindu wife use their child’s name to showcase their "secular credentials," it's celebrated — but if a Muslim names their child "Muhammad," that’s suddenly seen as regressive and sectarian?

Regardless of the intention by the name, it makes no sense and neither sounds good but each to their own.
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you can clearly see the hypocrisy of hindus here. they object to people using names like TAIMUR and Aurengzeb, but wont have any problems with names like Ashoka or Dahir etc when those native rulers caused as much death and destruction by starting wars and conflicts.

It is also hilarious how any names with Arabic, Persian or Turkic backgrounds are labelled "Muslim" names. These names have pre-dated Islam for centuries. There is no such thing as Muslim names. Islam does not ask you to change your name if you revert. A lot of people do that and preach about "Muslim" names which I believe is not a tradition based in academic teachings of Islam.
 
Stewie said:
you can clearly see the hypocrisy of hindus here. they object to people using names like TAIMUR and Aurengzeb, but wont have any problems with names like Ashoka or Dahir etc when those native rulers caused as much death and destruction by starting wars and conflicts.

It is also hilarious how any names with Arabic, Persian or Turkic backgrounds are labelled "Muslim" names. These names have pre-dated Islam for centuries. There is no such thing as Muslim names. Islam does not ask you to change your name if you revert. A lot of people do that and preach about "Muslim" names which I believe is not a tradition based in academic teachings of Islam.
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Very Rarely would anyone be called Ashoka.. Ashok was atleast a name before havent heard Dahir at all.

A lot of Hindu names are based on the Hindu mythology.. most names are around those…

Newer names are Riaan Kiaan viaan etc.. (no idea what they mean) Ashoka is mostly a buddhist name , probably used in Lanka.
 
JaDed said:
Very Rarely would anyone be called Ashoka.. Ashok was atleast a name before havent heard Dahir at all.

A lot of Hindu names are based on the Hindu mythology.. most names are around those…

Newer names are Riaan Kiaan viaan etc.. (no idea what they mean) Ashoka is mostly a buddhist name , probably used in Lanka.
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I think you are missing the bigger point. Why does a name or the background matter? It has become fashionable to vilify some of the previous conquerors of India based on their faith. If a Muslim is named Aurengzeb, etc why is that a problem for some?
 
Stewie said:
I think you are missing the bigger point. Why does a name or the background matter? It has become fashionable to vilify some of the previous conquerors of India based on their faith. If a Muslim is named Aurengzeb, etc why is that a problem for some?
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I think that's definitely being disingenuous. I don't think anyone minds Muslim names. In fact, one of my closest friends is called Jahangir - a Mughal emperor's name. However names like Aurangzeb have become rightly or wrongly, cultural touchstones for evil and oppression.

Deliberately choosing a name like that is being provocative - a bit like choosing the name Nathan Bedford Forrest in the States. I'm sure Forrest was no more or less a racist than a hundred other Toms, Dicks and Harrys of the time but the cultural implications remove any protestations of innocence from the choice of that name for a child today.
 
Stewie said:
I think you are missing the bigger point. Why does a name or the background matter? It has become fashionable to vilify some of the previous conquerors of India based on their faith. If a Muslim is named Aurengzeb, etc why is that a problem for some?
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The problem for some is because it exactly references that King with a history, esp since those names are not even common among the Muslim poptin India.

Do you see people names Hitler? Judas etc.. there are such names in history.

For example Saif Soha etc have a Hindu mother , there wasn’t a big outrage for their names.

Frahan Zoya being others with a Parsi mothers..

On it being a problem for some, and if your logic is it shouldn’t, then nothing should be a problem.

For example to me personally it doesn’t matter what people name their children, but I’m very mindful of how Pakistani Establishment names their missile.. its a frivolous thing in the overall schema of things but it does tick me off(And my opinion doesnt matter).

I remember you said Pakistanis have made an effort to delineate themselves from Indian identity, if Saif is doing that he should be open about it..
 
Red-Indian said:
I think that's definitely being disingenuous. I don't think anyone minds Muslim names. In fact, one of my closest friends is called Jahangir - a Mughal emperor's name. However names like Aurangzeb have become rightly or wrongly, cultural touchstones for evil and oppression.

Deliberately choosing a name like that is being provocative - a bit like choosing the name Nathan Bedford Forrest in the States. I'm sure Forrest was no more or less a racist than a hundred other Toms, Dicks and Harrys of the time but the cultural implications remove any protestations of innocence from the choice of that name for a child today.
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You are equating a full name including first, middle, last with choosing the first name?
So does this mean all men named Osama or Ayman or Saddam post 2001 or so are named in hate? What a ridiculous judgmental behavior is that? Does that mean all Indian Muslims should have a similar attitude towards anybody named Narendra?
 
JaDed said:
The problem for some is because it exactly references that King with a history, esp since those names are not even common among the Muslim poptin India.

Do you see people names Hitler? Judas etc.. there are such names in history.

For example Saif Soha etc have a Hindu mother , there wasn’t a big outrage for their names.

Frahan Zoya being others with a Parsi mothers..

On it being a problem for some, and if your logic is it shouldn’t, then nothing should be a problem.

For example to me personally it doesn’t matter what people name their children, but I’m very mindful of how Pakistani Establishment names their missile.. its a frivolous thing in the overall schema of things but it does tick me off(And my opinion doesnt matter).

I remember you said Pakistanis have made an effort to delineate themselves from Indian identity, if Saif is doing that he should be open about it..
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If they did, I would not have any problem with that. I recently met a guy named Genghis. I did not care. In fact there are quite a few Pakistanis who have had the name Changez (the Urdu version of Genghis)
 
Oh lord, I did not realize how bad things were with some of the namby pamby Hindu Indians. LOL

Just wow, you could breathe in their direction after enjoying a nice juicy steak lest they start throwing hissy fits.
 
Stewie said:
If they did, I would not have any problem with that. I recently met a guy named Genghis. I did not care. In fact there are quite a few Pakistanis who have had the name Changez (the Urdu version of Genghis)
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It would weird for a Pakistani Muslim to be named Ranjit Singh..but if you think they should be able to name themselves that its totally fine point is why people have issues..

Which is why his statue was vandalized..
 
JaDed said:
It would weird for a Pakistani Muslim to be named Ranjit Singh..but if you think they should be able to name themselves that its totally fine point is why people have issues..
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That does not make any sense. I think its quite clear we not talking about people naming their kids after personalities from other faiths.

A Pakistani hindu wants to name their kid Ranjit Singh, I dont think anybody will be losing sleep over it. I certainly wont.
But it seems a lot of Hindus here are getting their Ps in a B over muslims naming their child Aurengzeb.

These are two different things and to me the judgmental behavior from Hindus is appalling in this matter.
 
Stewie said:
That does not make any sense. I think its quite clear we not talking about people naming their kids after personalities from other faiths.

A Pakistani hindu wants to name their kid Ranjit Singh, I dont think anybody will be losing sleep over it. I certainly wont.
But it seems a lot of Hindus here are getting their Ps in a B over muslims naming their child Aurengzeb.

These are two different things and to me the judgmental behavior from Hindus is appalling in this matter.
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I edited my above post, was Ranjit Singh’s statue not vandalised?

Also this is similar to the concept of Indian identity which you said Pakistanis have worked to delineate, Saif is still an Indian isn't he?

To Indians the Arab Muslim names probably won’t matter.

If an Indian Hindu Marries Muslim and names their son Narendra , Bal Thackeray I’m sure it will be weird as well, would it matter ofcourse not
 
JaDed said:
I edited my above post, was Ranjit Singh’s statue not vandalised?

Also this is similar to the concept of Indian identity which you said Pakistanis have worked to delineate, Saif is still an Indian isn't he?

To Indians the Arab Muslim names probably won’t matter.

If an Indian Hindu Marries Muslim and names their son Narendra , Bal Thackeray I’m sure it will be weird as well, would it matter ofcourse not
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So basically you are saying an average Hindu or majority Hindus in India are equivalent to TLP goons in Pakistan?

What happened to all the claims of education and enlightenment within you guys?
 
Red-Indian said:
I think that's definitely being disingenuous. I don't think anyone minds Muslim names. In fact, one of my closest friends is called Jahangir - a Mughal emperor's name. However names like Aurangzeb have become rightly or wrongly, cultural touchstones for evil and oppression.

Deliberately choosing a name like that is being provocative - a bit like choosing the name Nathan Bedford Forrest in the States. I'm sure Forrest was no more or less a racist than a hundred other Toms, Dicks and Harrys of the time but the cultural implications remove any protestations of innocence from the choice of that name for a child today.
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On one side it has become cultural cornerstone for evil and oppression but on the other side it has become a cultural cornerstone of identity and tradition.

For one community the Mughals ( and Aurangzeb) is their historical peak, for another it is their historical low. It is a situation that doesn't really have a comparison anywhere else in the world. Muslims must fear that if they give up Aurangzeb they will soon have to give up the others, the other side (especially post the recent BJP regimes) must feel that if the Muslims still cling onto these names then they are outsiders.

It's a weird situation. As an outsider I think the old way of looking at it was probably the best. The Mughals were just lumped in with the other kings and empires of the subcontinent. Now there is a clear attempt ( in my eyes at least) to reframe them and rewrite their history, which is automatically worrying for Muslims.

Positions will get more and more entrenched over time. Unlike Nathan Forrest, there is more to it than just a name.
 
Stewie said:
So basically you are saying an average Hindu or majority Hindus in India are equivalent to TLP goons in Pakistan?

What happened to all the claims of education and enlightenment within you guys?
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It was a random person if i recall vandalising The statue..

Taimur Aurangzeb have an Indian context my point is only that context, that context is relevant across cultures on different countries, your example of Changez is equivalent to someone in Tamil Nadu being called Stalin.
 
JaDed said:
It was a random person if i recall vandalising The statue..

Taimur Aurangzeb have an Indian context my point is only that context, that context is relevant across cultures on different countries, your example of Changez is equivalent to someone in Tamil Nadu being called Stalin.
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Wow is this really the best defense you have?

Chenghis and his offspring did a number on Muslim sultanates. It’s well known to all.

You are just trying too hard to admit your people have deep rooted bias/hatred for some Muslim individuals in history.

So from what you said I guess you’d be ok with Zaheer had named his kid Osama or Saddam because neither of those two had done anything bad to India or Indians, right??
 
DeadlyVenom said:
On one side it has become cultural cornerstone for evil and oppression but on the other side it has become a cultural cornerstone of identity and tradition.

For one community the Mughals ( and Aurangzeb) is their historical peak, for another it is their historical low. It is a situation that doesn't really have a comparison anywhere else in the world. Muslims must fear that if they give up Aurangzeb they will soon have to give up the others, the other side (especially post the recent BJP regimes) must feel that if the Muslims still cling onto these names then they are outsiders.

It's a weird situation. As an outsider I think the old way of looking at it was probably the best. The Mughals were just lumped in with the other kings and empires of the subcontinent. Now there is a clear attempt ( in my eyes at least) to reframe them and rewrite their history, which is automatically worrying for Muslims.

Positions will get more and more entrenched over time. Unlike Nathan Forrest, there is more to it than just a name.
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Even if Zaheer uncle wanted to name his kid Aurangzeb he wouldn’t want the safety of his child compromised due to some of the rabid Indians who want to name his child for him.

But it’s all good to them if he wanted to name his daughter Hasina though in honor of recent events. 🤡

Best to remain steadfast in what you believe in unless there is overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing such as in the case of Hitler, Stalin and more recently Netanyahu and someone naming their child after them, which really isn’t the case for Aurangzeb going by proper sources.

All this Aurangzeb this Aurangzeb that natak and topi drama really only took off recently with the regime change of India in the last decade or more.

Name your kid honorably, especially for Muslims, don’t give in to external pressure. The people putting pressure on you to live your life a certain way themselves have warped lens of reality and adore one “oppressor” while condemning another “oppressor”- that Sheikh Hasina thread is a prime time example of this. As is masses of Indians supporting Netanyahu and Trump I in 2016 (and worshipping him too just because he said some interesting things about Muslims). Why let people with fickle morals dictate what you should or shouldn’t do?
 
JaDed said:
Very Rarely would anyone be called Ashoka.. Ashok was atleast a name before havent heard Dahir at all.

A lot of Hindu names are based on the Hindu mythology.. most names are around those…

Newer names are Riaan Kiaan viaan etc.. (no idea what they mean) Ashoka is mostly a buddhist name , probably used in Lanka.
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There was a Sri Lankan umpire named Ashoka De Silva. :inti
 
Suleiman said:
Even if Zaheer uncle wanted to name his kid Aurangzeb he wouldn’t want the safety of his child compromised due to some of the rabid Indians who want to name his child for him.

But it’s all good to them if he wanted to name his daughter Hasina though in honor of recent events. 🤡

Best to remain steadfast in what you believe in unless there is overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing such as in the case of Hitler, Stalin and more recently Netanyahu and someone naming their child after them, which really isn’t the case for Aurangzeb going by proper sources.

All this Aurangzeb this Aurangzeb that natak and topi drama really only took off recently with the regime change of India in the last decade or more.

Name your kid honorably, especially for Muslims, don’t give in to external pressure. The people putting pressure on you to live your life a certain way themselves have warped lens of reality and adore one “oppressor” while condemning another “oppressor”- that Sheikh Hasina thread is a prime time example of this. As is masses of Indians supporting Netanyahu and Trump I in 2016 (and worshipping him too just because he said some interesting things about Muslims). Why let people with fickle morals dictate what you should or shouldn’t do?
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Good post.

Anyway, the names dearest to Allah (SWT) are Abdullah and Abd Al-Rahman.

Source: https://sunnah.com/muslim:2132.
 
Stewie said:
Wow is this really the best defense you have?

Chenghis and his offspring did a number on Muslim sultanates. It’s well known to all.

You are just trying too hard to admit your people have deep rooted bias/hatred for some Muslim individuals in history.

So from what you said I guess you’d be ok with Zaheer had named his kid Osama or Saddam because neither of those two had done anything bad to India or Indians, right??
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My people are who though? Indian Hindus coz South Indians couldn’t care about Mughals or North India- Pakistan Shenanigans.. I dont know about the reaction to Saddam or Osama honestly.. but he might not name em that due to them being in memory of his horizontal society.. Aurangzeb Taimur are more of the vertical society members with context to India.

And didn’t you just post last week that Pakistanis wanted nothing to do with their Hindu ancestry? But somehow you guys seem to be ok Genghis Khan’s identity who was believer of Sky god??
 
JaDed said:
My people are who though? Indian Hindus coz South Indians couldn’t care about Mughals or North India- Pakistan Shenanigans.. I dont know about the reaction to Saddam or Osama honestly.. but he might not name em that due to them being in memory of his horizontal society.. Aurangzeb Taimur are more of the vertical society members with context to India.

And didn’t you just post last week that Pakistanis wanted nothing to do with their Hindu ancestry? But somehow you guys seem to be ok Genghis Khan’s identity who was believer of Sky god??
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Not with context to India- let’s call it as it is. In context to Hindus, and that’s pretty much it.

And yes it is correct, our people would most likely feel more comfortable having a mongol/turkic name than a Sanskrit Hindu name. How does that nuffiky my statement about Pakistanis doing their best to diverge from the Hindu past/ancestry/association whatever you wanna call it? It’s not. Once again two totally different things

You are really just flinging all manner of nonsense at the wall to see what sticks. I thought you were better than that.
 
Stewie said:
Not with context to India- let’s call it as it is. In context to Hindus, and that’s pretty much it.

And yes it is correct, our people would most likely feel more comfortable having a mongol/turkic name than a Sanskrit Hindu name. How does that nuffiky my statement about Pakistanis doing their best to diverge from the Hindu past/ancestry/association whatever you wanna call it? It’s not. Once again two totally different things

You are really just flinging all manner of nonsense at the wall to see what sticks. I thought you were better than that.
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I was responding to your Changez Khan context, on Auranzeb Babar names I already told you it’s to do with Indian context..
 
Its zaheer khan and his wife's personal choice to keep name of their son.... nobody have right to interfere in the same
 
globetrotter said:
Its zaheer khan and his wife's personal choice to keep name of their son.... nobody have right to interfere in the same
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Of course it's their own choice, noone is denying that or? When a celebrity shares the name of their newborn on social media, it’s only natural that people will discuss the name and its meaning. After all, once you make something public yourself, you can expect the conversation to grow and even escalate? I am just asking questions.
 
Suleiman said:
One of the best Indian fast bowlers ever, will give him that along with Mohammad Shami, Mohammad Siraj, Umran Malik, and ofc Irfan Pathan (pre selling out)

Rest are ok, but these are the best in terms of being well known Indian fast bowlers as well as human beings and role models. Hope more Indian folk look up to them for inspiration.
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You forgot Munaf Patel, Khaleel Ahmed and Avesh Khan

:kp
 
Suleiman said:
Even if Zaheer uncle wanted to name his kid Aurangzeb he wouldn’t want the safety of his child compromised due to some of the rabid Indians who want to name his child for him.

But it’s all good to them if he wanted to name his daughter Hasina though in honor of recent events. 🤡

Best to remain steadfast in what you believe in unless there is overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing such as in the case of Hitler, Stalin and more recently Netanyahu and someone naming their child after them, which really isn’t the case for Aurangzeb going by proper sources.

All this Aurangzeb this Aurangzeb that natak and topi drama really only took off recently with the regime change of India in the last decade or more.

Name your kid honorably, especially for Muslims, don’t give in to external pressure. The people putting pressure on you to live your life a certain way themselves have warped lens of reality and adore one “oppressor” while condemning another “oppressor”- that Sheikh Hasina thread is a prime time example of this. As is masses of Indians supporting Netanyahu and Trump I in 2016 (and worshipping him too just because he said some interesting things about Muslims). Why let people with fickle morals dictate what you should or shouldn’t do?
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They can't dictate what you should or shouldn't do. But then the people who make those choices can't dictate how people respond to them.

It's easy to argue from an academic perspective but in real life things are different. Some names become uncommon because they are essentially tainted. Nothing wrong with the name Yazid for example, but it would get you weird responses in many countries if you were to name your kid.

So if a person wants to remain steadfast they can do it, but they should remain those Hindus who dislike the name want to remain steadfast too and decide whether it's worth burdening their kid with the name in this environment.

And I do agree that this stuff in India seems to be a new invention. Aurangzeb rule was complex as was most of Mughal rule. Aurangzeb number 1 general was a Hindu, he employed mainly Hindus in his administration, he killed Hindus but he also killed his brother.
 
globetrotter said:
Its zaheer khan and his wife's personal choice to keep name of their son.... nobody have right to interfere in the same
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DeadlyVenom said:
On one side it has become cultural cornerstone for evil and oppression but on the other side it has become a cultural cornerstone of identity and tradition.

For one community the Mughals ( and Aurangzeb) is their historical peak, for another it is their historical low. It is a situation that doesn't really have a comparison anywhere else in the world. Muslims must fear that if they give up Aurangzeb they will soon have to give up the others, the other side (especially post the recent BJP regimes) must feel that if the Muslims still cling onto these names then they are outsiders.

It's a weird situation. As an outsider I think the old way of looking at it was probably the best. The Mughals were just lumped in with the other kings and empires of the subcontinent. Now there is a clear attempt ( in my eyes at least) to reframe them and rewrite their history, which is automatically worrying for Muslims.

Positions will get more and more entrenched over time. Unlike Nathan Forrest, there is more to it than just a name.
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Fair and I appreciate the nuance. You're right that the situation is a bit weird and different for Aurangzeb from most villainous names in history.

I think what you have to appreciate though that Indian Muslims, whatever they may think of the historical ruler, have already given up on Aurangzeb as a name for their children. Just like most Indian have given up on Nathuram as a name. Unlike what you Pakistanis/Quasi-Pakistanis think, this is not a rock that Indian Muslims would want to die on. I don't want to speak for them but while Indian Muslims have a lot of fears, I don't think they see the loss of the name Aurangzeb as the removal of a finger in the dyke.

Indian Muslims read the same history books in school all Indians do and for generations now, the era of Aurangzeb has been taught as a black period in a relatively normal imperial Mughal empire. While the Mughal period has been de-emphasised in history books of late, there has been no attempt to demonise rulers like Akbar.

It is within context that I say that any Indian Muslim who choose to name their kid 'Aurangzeb' and to a lesser extent 'Genghis' and to an even lesser extent 'Taimur' would understand the reactions that those names would elicit. They would do it most likely to provoke the reaction.
 
No one has a right to get upset at what parents name their kids. It is that simple.
 
HalBass9 said:
No one has a right to get upset at what parents name their kids. It is that simple.
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That's an absurd argument. Are you saying nobody has a right to get upset if a redneck decides to name his kid 'N***ers are slaves'?

I'm a big supporter of free speech including holocaust denial, blasphemous cartoons and abuse of public/religious figures but the lines are gray. You can't regulate anyone's right to be upset about anything, however stupid...only what they chose to do about it.
 
Red-Indian said:
That's an absurd argument. Are you saying nobody has a right to get upset if a redneck decides to name his kid 'N***ers are slaves'?

I'm a big supporter of free speech including holocaust denial, blasphemous cartoons and abuse of public/religious figures but the lines are gray. You can't regulate anyone's right to be upset about anything, however stupid...only what they chose to do about it.
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No offense but this is a load of nonsense.

How can a name be equated to offensive phrases, events in history, blasphemous cartoons? Are you even thinking about this stuff before posting them?
 
Stewie said:
No offense but this is a load of nonsense.

How can a name be equated to offensive phrases, events in history, blasphemous cartoons? Are you even thinking about this stuff before posting them?
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It's just like someone naming his kid "Modi Surrender 56 inch"
 
The Bald Eagle said:
It's just like someone naming his kid "Modi Surrender 56 inch"
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Right.

This is just showing the general mentality of Indians. Just a name of a Muslim who they feel extreme hate for, has become a symbol of oppression.
 
Stewie said:
No offense but this is a load of nonsense.

How can a name be equated to offensive phrases, events in history, blasphemous cartoons? Are you even thinking about this stuff before posting them?
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You are assuming that you will find the same things offensive as other people, and that they will find the same things as you.
 
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