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Zimbabwe Head Coach Lalchand Rajput pulls out of tour of Pakistan after advice by Indian Embassy

Rajdeep said:
Think you are highly misinformed. It was Congress govt that stopped all cricket ties with Pakistan. It was Rajiv Shukla (cong MP) that banned Pak players in IPL. So keep repeating BJP multiple times wont help. BJP & Congress may have internal political dispute but when it comes to Pakistan, every Indian party has same stance.

Regarding BJP govt taking Pakistan's name every 2 seconds, I would suggest you to follow the twitter of your PM.
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lol, currently BJP has power.

PM of IK highlighting Indian sponsored terrorism in Kashmir and Pakistan as one would expect any PM of any country to do. He did not send jets to kill trees and birds right before elections.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I think you should stay grounded for once especially when the whole season of IPL is being played in a foreign country. We don't even know when will we host our next series in India and here you are making fun of others. :inti
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IPL was played in foreign country due to pandemic and not because of security concerns. As soon as Covid cases reduce, cricket will be back in India and teams will line up to play.

As far as next team to tour India is concerned, Eng will be coming for a full series in Feb-Mar and will even play a pink ball test match in Kolkata.
 
Abdullah719 said:
They pulled out because of personal and/or family preferences or because of last-minute Embassy aDvIcE?

Thankfully most Indians supporters I've seen on social media are calling a spade a spade instead of engaging in mental gymnastics :inti
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Rajput is engaged in a foreign country, he isnt in India, so ofcourse he took the advise of his embassy.

The Embassy repeated what the MEA has said for many years. Traveling to Pakistan is not recommended.

Good that you are happy with the social media support.
 
Absolute rubbish from the Indian Embassy and BCCI as a whole. He'd be more than welcome to Pakistan. No more naan chunnay for you mate!!!!!!!
 
Rajdeep said:
IPL was played in foreign country due to pandemic and not because of security concerns. As soon as Covid cases reduce, cricket will be back in India and teams will line up to play.

As far as next team to tour India is concerned, Eng will be coming for a full series in Feb-Mar and will even play a pink ball test match in Kolkata.
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Pink Ball test will be in Ahmedabad.
 
Rana said:
Khich ke Rakh mera veer! :)) :))
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Big money was at stake but Bravo said the BCCI understood their problems. “They were very supportive of all of us,” the former all-rounder “Actually they even offered to pay us whatever we were losing. We was like, ‘We don’t want you to pay us. We need our board to sort out our contracts.’”


Problem with trolls is that they dont read much.

Bcci offered to pay the difference in amount that WICB was paying and the players wanted.

Not bribing players from Zimbabwe to play inspite of security reservations.

Teams haven't refused to tour India due to security issues.
 
I think he needs to explain what has gone on here so we have a better understanding of the situation.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Big money was at stake but Bravo said the BCCI understood their problems. “They were very supportive of all of us,” the former all-rounder “Actually they even offered to pay us whatever we were losing. We was like, ‘We don’t want you to pay us. We need our board to sort out our contracts.’”


Problem with trolls is that they dont read much.

Bcci offered to pay the difference in amount that WICB was paying and the players wanted.

Not bribing players from Zimbabwe to play inspite of security reservations.

Teams haven't refused to tour India due to security issues.
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And why was that? Wasn't that desperation from BCCI? They wanted that series to go ahead just like PCB wanted international cricket to come back to Pakistan. What are IPL franchises doing? They are also desperately throwing money to get these foreigners to play in IPL which is not even hosted in India this year. :inti
 
Should the coach of Zimbabwe be taking advice from the Indian govt or from the Zimbabwean govt?

Of course for Visa etc he should consult his embassy etc but surely the decision on it being safe to tour should be down to his employers govt?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Should the coach of Zimbabwe be taking advice from the Indian govt or from the Zimbabwean govt?

Of course for Visa etc he should consult his embassy etc but surely the decision on it being safe to tour should be down to his employers govt?
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He is a Indian citizen so ofcourse he will consult his own embassy.
 
cricketjoshila said:
He is a Indian citizen so ofcourse he will consult his own embassy.
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He should before taking any further coaching assignments....bcoz....international cricket is resuming in Pak....LOL.....I would suggest him to restrict his Rajpootana stuff to domestics only....:genius
 
I can understand the frustration from all the Pak posters here. Honestly I do.

Very rarely do you guys get international teams visiting your country (doesn't matter if it's Mugabe's Zimbabwe or Jason Mohammed's West Indies or Dasun Shanaka's Sri Lanka) for obvious reasons and when they do there are always a few "opting" out which somehow ends up in the limelight. It can be really frustrating to be fair especially when you're so desperate that you're ready to give presidential treatment to all those who came after all.

Come to think of it, these reactions are not surprising at all.
 
For what its worth - 2 whole seasons of IPL have been played entirely abroad due to concerns about player welfare.

Only 1 edition of the PSL has been played entirely abroad.
 
naseem said:
He should before taking any further coaching assignments....bcoz....international cricket is resuming in Pak....LOL.....I would suggest him to restrict his Rajpootana stuff to domestics only....:genius
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That will be between him and his employer. And pakistanis are not his employer. So he doesn't need to answer pakistanis.
 
Mesozoic said:
I can understand the frustration from all the Pak posters here. Honestly I do.

Very rarely do you guys get international teams visiting your country (doesn't matter if it's Mugabe's Zimbabwe or Jason Mohammed's West Indies or Dasun Shanaka's Sri Lanka) for obvious reasons and when they do there are always a few "opting" out which somehow ends up in the limelight. It can be really frustrating to be fair especially when you're so desperate that you're ready to give presidential treatment to all those who came after all.

Come to think of it, these reactions are not surprising at all.
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There is always hiccups when u bring a change....many object many show their reservations....gradually with passing of time and
When the change is the new normal....then all fall
In line....

BEST EXAMPLE......WATTO
 
When u r advised by ur right-wing govt who by the way enjoys landslide majority and have strong fan err bhakt base who can threaten a child ....of a cricketer ....then u will obviously take it as warning and think about the welfare of your family...

It's normal......choro MARZI WARZI
 
Think I speak for all Pakistanis in here at our dismay that Lalchand Rajput wont be touring with the team to Pakistan.


The entire tour is worthless now. Kids were dying to see him sitting in the dugout giving orders to Musakanda
 
As far as Lalchand goes, it's just Desi smarts. His team is going to get demolished by Malik and he would have lost his job. Atleast now, he can continue to get pay checks after the series for the foreseeable future.
 
rhony said:
He is not paid 2 mil "after" taking 3 wickets in 40 overs. He was selected to do much more but he underperformed. Cummins is an Australian and hence an integral part of IEASN league aka IPL. Performances matter to a certain extent. There's the brand value etc etc. When Cummins is 40, he will accept 150k and join PSL that Javed Afridi can afford.
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So Cummins and Maxwell will use IPL as a cash cow until they are 40.

It was a simple response to someone who criticised PCB for paying Zimbabwe players handsomely to tour, we’ve all done our fair share of overpriced payments haven’t we?
 
rhony said:
As far as Lalchand goes, it's just Desi smarts. His team is going to get demolished by Malik and he would have lost his job. Atleast now, he can continue to get pay checks after the series for the foreseeable future.
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Malik is not in team......
 
Surely Rajput knew that his team is most likely to only tour Pakistan as their big tour. Why would you apply for this job if you are not available for the big one?
 
Good call by the Indian embassy. For an Indian national to travel to Pakistan in the current political situation is full of risk and will have a multifold threat level compared to a Zimbabwe cricketer or official.

In any case, when in a foreign county, Indian nationals should be following the travel advisory given by our local embassies.

Going by the tweets of ZCB, this seems to be very professionaly handled. Well done to ZCB and best wishes for the LOI tour.
 
1. Stick to cricket
2. Dont get personal

Lots of posts deleted and action will be taken at people who cannot post sensibly.
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
Good call by the Indian embassy. For an Indian national to travel to Pakistan in the current political situation is full of risk and will have a multifold threat level compared to a Zimbabwe cricketer or official.

In any case, when in a foreign county, Indian nationals should be following the travel advisory given by our local embassies.

Going by the tweets of ZCB, this seems to be very professionaly handled. Well done to ZCB and best wishes for the LOI tour.
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I think some of the members of PSL production team were Indian nationals. In any case, a govt can not force an individual to not visit a particular country but can lay down instructions that in an event of an emergency Indian consulate would be of no assistance(this is how most country’s mission abroad works). Since coach of Zimbabwe was going to Pakistan as an individual/employee of another country, I see no reason why should it concern Indian Govt. This whole saga is completely blown out of proportion.
 
Rana said:
So Cummins and Maxwell will use IPL as a cash cow until they are 40.

It was a simple response to someone who criticised PCB for paying Zimbabwe players handsomely to tour, we’ve all done our fair share of overpriced payments haven’t we?
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It's mutual agreement between players and IPL. Bring your whiteness and you will be handsomely rewarded. Runs and wickets will help too.
 
rhony said:
It's mutual agreement between players and IPL. Bring your whiteness and you will be handsomely rewarded. Runs and wickets will help too.
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So much for whiteness.....so India is still a RACIST nation
 
False. IPL is colorful. Whites and blacks are welcome. India already has browns. The yellows don't play the game. One look at Pandya and you will see how India embraces blackness. That's anti racism
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
Good call by the Indian embassy. For an Indian national to travel to Pakistan in the current political situation is full of risk and will have a multifold threat level compared to a Zimbabwe cricketer or official.

In any case, when in a foreign county, Indian nationals should be following the travel advisory given by our local embassies.

Going by the tweets of ZCB, this seems to be very professionaly handled. Well done to ZCB and best wishes for the LOI tour.
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Professionally handled a highly unprofessional behaviour done out of fear as a result of which his team is missing it's coach for one of the few High profile tours of Zimbabwe...in recent years for which it's board has paid some money or have contract with
 
I thought Indians' pulling out game is weak considering their population....seems like Rajput proved me wrong
 
ShoonyaSifar said:
Good call by the Indian embassy. For an Indian national to travel to Pakistan in the current political situation is full of risk and will have a multifold threat level compared to a Zimbabwe cricketer or official.

In any case, when in a foreign county, Indian nationals should be following the travel advisory given by our local embassies.

Going by the tweets of ZCB, this seems to be very professionaly handled. Well done to ZCB and best wishes for the LOI tour.
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You're having a laugh aren't you?

Rajput would have been afforded the utmost respect, cordiality and hospitality like the rest of the touring party.
 
Kroll said:
You're having a laugh aren't you?

Rajput would have been afforded the utmost respect, cordiality and hospitality like the rest of the touring party.
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He is just projecting, Pakistanis are treated badly in India so he thinks the same happens the other way around.
 
Kroll said:
You're having a laugh aren't you?

Rajput would have been afforded the utmost respect, cordiality and hospitality like the rest of the touring party.
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Have to agree.

Very basic analysis.

No visitor to Pakistan from India would ever be mistreated - especially when cricket is involved.
 
Color me surprised.

Also, expect India to keep doing this in the future. They know they are the bullies on the block. And they will use their power to politicize the game at every opportunity. It isn't enough for them to simply not play a series against Pakistan, they are intent on tainting the game with their politics.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Color me surprised.

Also, expect India to keep doing this in the future. They know they are the bullies on the block. And they will use their power to politicize the game at every opportunity. It isn't enough for them to simply not play a series against Pakistan, they are intent on tainting the game with their politics.
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What amazes me is how they keep an eye on their citizens outside India and to ensure no high profile contact happens with Pakistan.

Cannot imagine a Pakistan Embassy guy going running to a Pak player to tell him not to go.
 
MenInG said:
What amazes me is how they keep an eye on their citizens outside India and to ensure no high profile contact happens with Pakistan.

Cannot imagine a Pakistan Embassy guy going running to a Pak player to tell him not to go.
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Its about safety not about stopping any high profile contact happening with Pakistan. Too much of obssession with India. India has moved on leaving such things behind..It clearly reflects in all fields inculding cricket. They are dominant coz they r focused on their development instead of having a grudge or any obsession with a particular country.
 
MenInG said:
What amazes me is how they keep an eye on their citizens outside India and to ensure no high profile contact happens with Pakistan.

Cannot imagine a Pakistan Embassy guy going running to a Pak player to tell him not to go.
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Its taking obsession and hate mongering to a whole new level. Can't say I'm surprised though.
 
MenInG said:
What amazes me is how they keep an eye on their citizens outside India and to ensure no high profile contact happens with Pakistan.

Cannot imagine a Pakistan Embassy guy going running to a Pak player to tell him not to go.
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Any Indian travelling to Pakistan needs approval from our govt. I guess its same for Pakistanis travelling to India

Plus there are restrictions on Indians travelling to Pakistan - like not more than 3 cities else u need special exception from pakistan embassy
 
MenInG said:
What amazes me is how they keep an eye on their citizens outside India and to ensure no high profile contact happens with Pakistan.

Cannot imagine a Pakistan Embassy guy going running to a Pak player to tell him not to go.
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Or Rajpoot asked the Indian Embassy's advise and he was advised not to travel. The same advise it gives to any citizen wanting to travel to pakistan.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Or Rajpoot asked the Indian Embassy's advise and he was advised not to travel. The same advise it gives to any citizen wanting to travel to pakistan.
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Bro.

You and I know well that us people dont go running to embassies for advice.

Rajpoot could have easily asked Sikander Raza or any of the other players about whats its like to be in Pakistan and they would have all told him there is nothing to worry about.

Looks to me one of our RAW friends in the Embassy got alerted to this and went running to him.
 
NishanKonar said:
Any Indian travelling to Pakistan needs approval from our govt. I guess its same for Pakistanis travelling to India

Plus there are restrictions on Indians travelling to Pakistan - like not more than 3 cities else u need special exception from pakistan embassy
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No Pakistani needs special approval to travel to India.
 
Abu_Hamza said:
Its about safety not about stopping any high profile contact happening with Pakistan. Too much of obssession with India. India has moved on leaving such things behind..It clearly reflects in all fields inculding cricket. They are dominant coz they r focused on their development instead of having a grudge or any obsession with a particular country.
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Think you should read your own post again.

If that was the case, Rajpoot would have been with his team today in Islamabad.
 
Rajput missing out on some wonderful hospitality, great cricket and the opportunity to coach his team against a decent side.

His loss. Move on.

I can't imagine Zimbabwe Cricket are too impressed with this.
 
I see a lot of false equivalences being made in this thread vis-a-vis BD coaches pulling out. Again, I think these posters know what's going on but they are trying to oversimplify the situation to get brownie points. The embassy of those countries did not get involved, however here the Indian embassy did. On top of that, given the pettiness of Indian government in the recent past, it would be quite idiotic to claim Indian government intervention played no role.
 
I miss those days when all 9 teams were serious challengers and each game was fought till the last ball, this generation of cricket is quite depressing and the involvement of politics is ruining things greatly.
 
ExplicitAI said:
I miss those days when all 9 teams were serious challengers and each game was fought till the last ball, this generation of cricket is quite depressing and the involvement of politics is ruining things greatly.
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Politics have always been involved in game of cricket. But agree on 9 teams being competitive and capable of beating any team.
 
Just when I think BCCI("Indian Embassy") can't get any more disgusting, they surprise me with more crap.

Shameless bunch of weirdos, this lot.
 
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MenInG said:
What amazes me is how they keep an eye on their citizens outside India and to ensure no high profile contact happens with Pakistan.

Cannot imagine a Pakistan Embassy guy going running to a Pak player to tell him not to go.
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What surprises me more is the small-mindedness. I mean, you have to be very small mentally to engage in something like this.
 
Only thing worse than BCCI's politicking are posters bending over backwards to defend/justify BCCI's actions.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Or Rajpoot asked the Indian Embassy's advise and he was advised not to travel. The same advise it gives to any citizen wanting to travel to pakistan.
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He asked for advice on the night of the Zimbabwe squad's departure after he had already earlier asked for (and received) a visa from the Pakistan Embassy?

OK.
 
Abu_Hamza said:
Its about safety not about stopping any high profile contact happening with Pakistan. Too much of obssession with India. India has moved on leaving such things behind..It clearly reflects in all fields inculding cricket. They are dominant coz they r focused on their development instead of having a grudge or any obsession with a particular country.
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I don't know about a single Indian media having a report without mention Pakistan....
 
naseem said:
I don't know about a single Indian media having a report without mention Pakistan....
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And vice versa as well for Pakistan media . We can play ping pong about who’s after who but the fact of matter is it is not safe for an Indian in Pakistan same as it’s not safe for Pakistani to visit India.
So why not avoid such unpleasant situation and keep distance.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
And vice versa as well for Pakistan media . We can play ping pong about who’s after who but the fact of matter is it is not safe for an Indian in Pakistan same as it’s not safe for Pakistani to visit India.
So why not avoid such unpleasant situation and keep distance.
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Rajpoot shud have thought about it b4 taking the job....
 
naseem said:
Rajpoot shud have thought about it b4 taking the job....
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His job is not only tour one country right. There are other places to tour as well.
It is Zim cricket prerogative if they want to hire Indian staff in future knowing this situation will arise.
 
It is some strange circumstances where the coach applied for a visa and then asked for permission from his embassy rather than doing the other way round.

I am not sure why the neighbors think he would not be safe in Pakistan. He would have gotten VVIP security and its not like Pakistanis have any anti-India thing happening in the country like in India. He would have been safer in Pak than in India.

Anyways, I am glad he did not come. Don't want the hard earned money of Pakistanis being thrown to provide good treatment to people who don't deserve love and respect.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistan is not employing Rajpoot.
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Zimbabwe and Pakistan both plays international cricket and they r international sides like SA ENG BD SL...So basically Rajpoot shouldnt sit for any such international side rather stick to Ranji Buchi Bapu etc etc...... BASCIALLY HE DONT HAVE THE FREEDOM to work internationally...

Bcoz more and more teams would visit pak...so one way or other or in some point of time he would be in trouble...

Or he can work for Germany Canada....Argentina...
France Farore Islands....:wenger:wenger
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
His job is not only tour one country right. There are other places to tour as well.
It is Zim cricket prerogative if they want to hire Indian staff in future knowing this situation will arise.
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But how many permanent member nations Zimbos tour last couple of years.......I mean how many times they have visited top 6 7 test playing nation.....and when they have to they are handicapped by.......this ****
 
naseem said:
Zimbabwe and Pakistan both plays international cricket and they r international sides like SA ENG BD SL...So basically Rajpoot shouldnt sit for any such international side rather stick to Ranji Buchi Bapu etc etc...... BASCIALLY HE DONT HAVE THE FREEDOM to work internationally...

Bcoz more and more teams would visit pak...so one way or other or in some point of time he would be in trouble...

Or he can work for Germany Canada....Argentina...
France Farore Islands....:wenger:wenger
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As long as he doesn't seek employment in pakistan, don't think pakistanis have a say about where and in what capacity he can work.

Basically your opinion on what he can do means ZERO.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Poor guy. Who would want to be the prime news target of Republic TV?
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Pankaj Advani went to pakistan for sone tournament, despite the govt advisory against it.

Govt will not advise anyone to go to pakistan. People can always go at their own risk. The govt will not risk the fallout of any mishap.
 
cricketjoshila said:
As long as he doesn't seek employment in pakistan, don't think pakistanis have a say about where and in what capacity he can work.

Basically your opinion on what he can do means ZERO.
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BASICALLY Intt cricket is not you and neither me it consists of more than one country and they tour each other as per FTP....or sometimes outside FTP.....so u have to ready to tour as part of the squad .....if u r a coach....or a player or even a physio......u have to.....if have said the plain fact.......If my opinion hurts u then it is hurtful bcoz reality is very harsh.......
If he becomes a coach of Bangladesh and they decide to tour Pak then what he will do...???
And if he again is ADVISED by indian embassy then I hope it won't improve his or his country's reputation....

Then neither ur nor my OPINION would matter......
 
cricketjoshila said:
As long as he doesn't seek employment in pakistan, don't think pakistanis have a say about where and in what capacity he can work.

Basically your opinion on what he can do means ZERO.
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Everybody has to look after the welfare of his family....so I don't see him daring into that venture in future neither Pak is so desperate to hire him
 
naseem said:
BASICALLY Intt cricket is not you and neither me it consists of more than one country and they tour each other as per FTP....or sometimes outside FTP.....so u have to ready to tour as part of the squad .....if u r a coach....or a player or even a physio......u have to.....if have said the plain fact.......If my opinion hurts u then it is hurtful bcoz reality is very harsh.......
If he becomes a coach of Bangladesh and they decide to tour Pak then what he will do...???
And if he again is ADVISED by indian embassy then I hope it won't improve his or his country's reputation....

Then neither ur nor my OPINION would matter......
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Where a coach will travel is between that coach and his employer. Since Rajpoot is not employed by pakistanis, i dont know why you are losing it. Its a matter between him and ZCB.

The Bangladesh coach didnot travel to pakistan.5 of them didn't travel to pakistan. So?

Players/coaches/Teams cannot be and Will not be forced to tour Pakistan or any country.
 
naseem said:
Everybody has to look after the welfare of his family....so I don't see him daring into that venture in future neither Pak is so desperate to hire him
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Ofcourse, he and his family wont be safe in pakistan. There is a reason why so many people withdraw from pakistan tours.
 
Star_Coffee said:
would probably have to put on army uniforms to show royalty to India. lol
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cricketjoshila said:
Where a coach will travel is between that coach and his employer. Since Rajpoot is not employed by pakistanis, i dont know why you are losing it. Its a matter between him and ZCB.

The Bangladesh coach didnot travel to pakistan.5 of them didn't travel to pakistan. So?

Players/coaches/Teams cannot be and Will not be forced to tour Pakistan or any country.
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Difference is that they took their own decisions, they weren't stopped by their Governments
 
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