Zindabad!

[Robert]

Well played Pakistan. Fine fast swing bowling, competent batting and much better fielding than England. Abbas is superb and Amir rejuvenated.

Big problems for the home side. Worst performance in ten years at least. Two batting collapses and dropping easy catches. Time for radical surgery for the team - drop Cook, Stoneman and Malan - and Bayliss has to go.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Well played Pakistan. Fine fast swing bowling, competent batting and much better fielding than England. Abbas is superb and Amir rejuvenated.

Big problems for the home side. Worst performance in ten years at least. Two batting collapses and dropping easy catches. Time for radical surgery for the team - drop Cook, Stoneman and Malan - and Bayliss has to go.

Why on Earth would you drop Cook?

He is the only reason you put up the runs you did in the first innings.

 

[pakistani pride]

Thanks mate!
All the best for 2nd test.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Moeen must return

 

[babajee]

England just got outclassed from start to finish. Let’s see what they can do just game

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Well played Pakistan. Fine fast swing bowling, competent batting and much better fielding than England. Abbas is superb and Amir rejuvenated.

Big problems for the home side. Worst performance in ten years at least. Two batting collapses and dropping easy catches. Time for radical surgery for the team - drop Cook, Stoneman and Malan - and Bayliss has to go.

Select players like Billy Root and Haseeb Hameed who have healthy FC averages

Why persist with players like Malan,Stoneman who have poor FC stats

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Cook is decent in home conditions. No point dropping him in the 2nd test but time has come for him contemplate retiring.

 

[Robert]

Moeen must return

He has proved he can score test runs. I would pick him instead of Malan. We will need him as second or third spinner in SL too. Plus he seems to have a mental hold over India.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Well done Pakistan.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Select players like Billy Root and Haseeb Hameed who have healthy FC averages

Why persist with players like Malan,Stoneman who have poor FC stats

Hameed was dropped from his county's second XI for whom he averaged 4.He isn't getting selected anytime soon.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Worst performance in ten years at least.

How would you refer to the loss against WI?

Yes, the English were never in this match to begin with. However, losing to the WI was the beginning of the end.

 

[Chrish]

Well played Pakistan.. Hope they can improve their overseas performances else where other than England too.

 

[Syed1]

No word on Root's dodgy captaincy? He doesn't look like a natural or very good captain to me. Just goes to show that your best player isn't necessarily your best captain.

 

[sam_ahm]

Very happy for Pakistan... Build up on this momentum, Sarfraz is a successful captain, I hope he contributes more with the bat, he must.

Great going guys, this was brilliant.

 

[HitWicket]

Select players like Billy Root and Haseeb Hameed who have healthy FC averages

Why persist with players like Malan,Stoneman who have poor FC stats

2 players who can't get in their county teams...?

 

[the Great Khan]

Hameed was dropped from his county's second XI for whom he averaged 4.He isn't getting selected anytime soon.

he's scored three centuries and a 90 in second 11 cricket but he seems to have had a confidence problem..lancs need to select him..

 

[the Great Khan]

No word on Root's dodgy captaincy? He doesn't look like a natural or very good captain to me. Just goes to show that your best player isn't necessarily your best captain.

rubbish cuptaany looked like a lost schoolboy..

 

[Zain]

I would not drop Cook or Malan (one of the few positives away from home), maybe ask Cook to captain again. Surprised there hasn't been any talk of Mo Ali coming in to strengthen middle or lower middle order has batted well in the past with Bairstow and saved England's bacon on many occasion when the top order has collapsed, maybe even look at selecting in form players in the FC scene

 

[Azrim_91]

with all due respect to the english and their nation, but the troubles they are having are due to mere arrogance and dare I say hint of racism. How can you select Stoneman, Malan and Bess? Based on what????

England missed a trick by never giving Adil Rashid a good run in the test arena and scapegoating him when they expected him to take 10fers in the subcontinent against teams who play spin very well. Adil Rashid would've have been your perfect number 8 and knows his own conditions at home very well. As a result, you've pushed the guy away forcing him to turn his attention to white ball cricket where 1) he will earn more money 2) gets the respect.

Moeen Ali has time and time again saved England in the past few years with both his batting and bowling. He could EASILY fit into that number 4/5 slot instead of Malan. He scored 2 100's in India playing that position and also gives you the option of a spinner. He doesnt take wickets in australia and you drop him? No overseas spinner including murali has EVER had great success in australia and england are expecting Moeen Ali to lead their attack.

And the final disgrace is scapegoating Haseeb Hameed who also has tremendous potential and although he struggled last year in the domestic county championship, England should've consistently worked with him and given him opportunities knowing that he will one day replace Alaistair Cook. Cook in 2006 had an awful Ashes series in the down under yet the ECB stuck with him. Haseeb deserves the same

In summary:

Hameed -> Stoneman
Ali -> Malan
Rashid -> Bess
(woakes -> wood)

and this english team would murder anyone that visits them at home. But we know that'll never happen. How could the ECB be content with 14 people out 22 players being brown on home soil?

Just my 2 cents. People can disagree all they want.

 

[HitWicket]

with all due respect to the english and their nation, but the troubles they are having are due to mere arrogance and dare I say hint of racism. How can you select Stoneman, Malan and Bess? Based on what????

England missed a trick by never giving Adil Rashid a good run in the test arena and scapegoating him when they expected him to take 10fers in the subcontinent against teams who play spin very well. Adil Rashid would've have been your perfect number 8 and knows his own conditions at home very well. As a result, you've pushed the guy away forcing him to turn his attention to white ball cricket where 1) he will earn more money 2) gets the respect.

Moeen Ali has time and time again saved England in the past few years with both his batting and bowling. He could EASILY fit into that number 4/5 slot instead of Malan. He scored 2 100's in India playing that position and also gives you the option of a spinner. He doesnt take wickets in australia and you drop him? No overseas spinner including murali has EVER had great success in australia and england are expecting Moeen Ali to lead their attack.

And the final disgrace is scapegoating Haseeb Hameed who also has tremendous potential and although he struggled last year in the domestic county championship, England should've consistently worked with him and given him opportunities knowing that he will one day replace Alaistair Cook. Cook in 2006 had an awful Ashes series in the down under yet the ECB stuck with him. Haseeb deserves the same

In summary:

Hameed -> Stoneman
Ali -> Malan
Rashid -> Bess
(woakes -> wood)

and this english team would murder anyone that visits them at home. But we know that'll never happen. How could the ECB be content with 14 people out 22 players being brown on home soil?

Just my 2 cents. People can disagree all they want.

They did continue to work with Hameed. He played multiple England lions tours in which he failed after that tour to India and had coaching from the ECB staff. Now he's not considered good enough to get in the Lancashire team.

Rashid is nowhere near good enough for test cricket, he consistently sends down too many poor balls per over and has way too much variation in his line and length. That works in limited overs cricket but in the longer form it won't.

Ali wasn't just absoloutely shocking with the ball in Australia, he was shocking with the bat as well and admitted he should've been dropped from the team earlier than he was. Since then he's spent most of his time bench-warming in India therefore there's nothing to suggest that's changed.

Woakes over Wood I kind of agree with.

 

[Zain]

with all due respect to the english and their nation, but the troubles they are having are due to mere arrogance and dare I say hint of racism. How can you select Stoneman, Malan and Bess? Based on what????

England missed a trick by never giving Adil Rashid a good run in the test arena and scapegoating him when they expected him to take 10fers in the subcontinent against teams who play spin very well. Adil Rashid would've have been your perfect number 8 and knows his own conditions at home very well. As a result, you've pushed the guy away forcing him to turn his attention to white ball cricket where 1) he will earn more money 2) gets the respect.

Moeen Ali has time and time again saved England in the past few years with both his batting and bowling. He could EASILY fit into that number 4/5 slot instead of Malan. He scored 2 100's in India playing that position and also gives you the option of a spinner. He doesnt take wickets in australia and you drop him? No overseas spinner including murali has EVER had great success in australia and england are expecting Moeen Ali to lead their attack.

And the final disgrace is scapegoating Haseeb Hameed who also has tremendous potential and although he struggled last year in the domestic county championship, England should've consistently worked with him and given him opportunities knowing that he will one day replace Alaistair Cook. Cook in 2006 had an awful Ashes series in the down under yet the ECB stuck with him. Haseeb deserves the same

In summary:

Hameed -> Stoneman
Ali -> Malan
Rashid -> Bess
(woakes -> wood)

and this english team would murder anyone that visits them at home. But we know that'll never happen. How could the ECB be content with 14 people out 22 players being brown on home soil?

Just my 2 cents. People can disagree all they want.

lol your claim of institutionalized racism is quite flawed as the ECB have recently launched an initiative/plan to get more british born asians into cricket at the highest level in the country, which was backed by moeen ali.

https://www.ecb.co.uk/south-asian-action-plan

The above link is from ECB website, please read and educate yourself on the matter.

 

[Zain]

Yes I would have Ali in the starting eleven, but I am not against Bess being given the nod as young fresh blood and talent can always be a risk worth taking as Pakistan have just proven, either way its a risk that goes your way or against you; no harm in exposing young talent if you believe they have something special get them on the field England have been rather guilty of not doing that in the past.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Worrying signs for England. A team with Cook, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Anderson, and Broad losing a test at home in May so comprehensively is alarming.

I don't think Root's captaincy is working. Not all great batsmen are great captains. Cook should be tried in the middle order and Bairstow should play as a specialist batsman.

 

[Azrim_91]

They did continue to work with Hameed. He played multiple England lions tours in which he failed after that tour to India and had coaching from the ECB staff. Now he's not considered good enough to get in the Lancashire team.

Rashid is nowhere near good enough for test cricket, he consistently sends down too many poor balls per over and has way too much variation in his line and length. That works in limited overs cricket but in the longer form it won't.

Ali wasn't just absoloutely shocking with the ball in Australia, he was shocking with the bat as well and admitted he should've been dropped from the team earlier than he was. Since then he's spent most of his time bench-warming in India therefore there's nothing to suggest that's changed.

Woakes over Wood I kind of agree with.

Forget lion tours, why wasn't Haseeb given a test at home? He scored a 50 last time he was in an England cap. He didn't deserve to be dropped. Nasser Hussain even mentioned him on air today proving the fact that England haven't done him justice.

Rashid hasn't played a test at home. You cannot claim that he sends down too many poor balls without giving him a good run in tests at home. He was bowling very well at county level before he hung up using the red ball.

I'm sorry but Stokes had a shocker of an IPL, he was barred from playing test cricket over the winter, on what merit did he deserve a return call up? Because he is a class player and you persist with your best players. Same with Ali. dropping him after one bad series is a joke when he's been winning you series after series for the past 4 years.

 

[Azrim_91]

lol your claim of institutionalized racism is quite flawed as the ECB have recently launched an initiative/plan to get more british born asians into cricket at the highest level in the country, which was backed by moeen ali.

https://www.ecb.co.uk/south-asian-action-plan

The above link is from ECB website, please read and educate yourself on the matter.

All show my friend... all a show, no need to educate myself on the matter when it's blatantly obvious

 

[HitWicket]

Forget lion tours, why wasn't Haseeb given a test at home? He scored a 50 last time he was in an England cap. He didn't deserve to be dropped. Nasser Hussain even mentioned him on air today proving the fact that England haven't done him justice.

Rashid hasn't played a test at home. You cannot claim that he sends down too many poor balls without giving him a good run in tests at home. He was bowling very well at county level before he hung up using the red ball.

I'm sorry but Stokes had a shocker of an IPL, he was barred from playing test cricket over the winter, on what merit did he deserve a return call up? Because he is a class player and you persist with your best players. Same with Ali. dropping him after one bad series is a joke when he's been winning you series after series for the past 4 years.

Because in the run up to the first home test series after Hameeds return he averaged 17.83 over 12 first class innings for Lancashire. As well as that he averaged 5.83 over 6 first class innings for the Lions.

If you can't consistently send down good balls away from home (in conditions that suit you) then you're not suddenly going to start doing that at home. Rashid wasn't exactly doing very well with the ball at county level, he was doing respectably but nothing particularly special.

Moeen didn't have just one bad series, he got the first game of the NZ series as well to redeem himself where he yet again failed (as well as in the 2 warm up games for the series). Stokes returns because he's the best all rounder in the country and balances the side well. Moeen isn't good enough to be our first choice spinner and isn't the best all rounder in the country. He therefore has to get in as a specialist batsman which his winter form (and lack of FC cricket since then) can't justify right now.

 

[asfandyar]

I think the Britons would be better served if they played their old game of divide and rule. Play players of Pakistani descent in the next game (Haseeb Hameed, Adil Rashid and Moeen Ali)

 

[Zain]

All show my friend... all a show, no need to educate myself on the matter when it's blatantly obvious

HMMMMMMMM, ECB will spend millions on an rolling out a nationwide initiative and you think its all for show, i don't think there budget has room for spending millions on rolling out initiatives just "for show"

 

[Hasan123]

Thanks for the kind words Robert. A tough period in test cricket awaits England. Root needs to step up.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Thanks Robert bhai.

Too many changes won't help England here but I would like to see one change atleast and that is the captain. I am someone who give a lot of emphasis on captaincy and believe your best player doesnt necessarily needs to be your captain. My too fav current captains are Sarfraz and Faf and both arent the best player in their teams but captaincy wise certainly above the rest and bring great value to the side. England need to find another captain, Bairstow ot Stokes maybe?

 

[The Googly]

Disagree with Robert regards Cook.

As a Pak fan, the most important wickets in order for me :

Cook - very capable of batting a LONG time still

Root - the best player in the team

Stokes - very dangerous player in any format

Bairstow - is dangerous cos he scores very quickly

Buttler - Can take the game away in a few overs.

If Cook was dropped, I'd be delighted. England have no-one better then Cook.

 

[The Googly]

I'm amazed Moeen Ali is not in the team because he is a far better bowler and batsman then Bess based on what we saw at Lords.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Rober bhai and Donal making us sentimental and emotional etc. etc.

One more test to lose for England, after that they can do whatever they want until we meet again.