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“Body language is so important. At least look positive” : Wasim Akram on Misbah’s body language

Fact is we need a person to hate at the moment - Misbah is an easy target at the moment. When he is gone, we will find another. The underlying issues with Pak cricket will be swept aside.
I'm baffled at you saying that! :)

Here is a Chief Selector who has systematically removed almost all players aged 21-30 from his squads, and replaced them with mediocre players (Fawad Alam, Mohammad Hafeez, Iftikhar Ahmed, Shoaib Malik, Imran Khan, Sohail Khan) whose contemporaries of the same quality in every other country retired years ago.

You can compare Mohammad Asif to Jimmy Anderson, but you can only compare Sohail Khan to Graham Onions (who played his last Test 8 years ago).

Misbah took on BOTH the Chief Selector position AND the Head Coach position, for which he had neither the formal qualifications nor the coaching history to be a suitable applicant.

As such, the Buck Stops With Misbah.

He is uniquely responsible and totally responsible. He has no right to shirk responsibility - he took on all the powerful positions, he has destroyed the careers of people like Sami Aslam and Zafar Gohar, and now he needs to be held accountable for the predictable failure of his ONLY GERIATRICS AND KIDS selection policy.

The problem, of course, is that Misbah is a self-serving coward who takes all the power then shirks all the responsibility.
 
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We are a Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and West Indies level team. The quicker we realize that and lower our expectations, the easier it will be.

In fact, I would put Bangladesh marginally ahead of Pakistan in Limited Overs cricket. Now please don’t try to sell me the dummy of the dead rubber World Cup match. I won’t buy it.

VintageIFC
 
I'm baffled at you saying that! :)

Here is a Chief Selector who has systematically removed almost all players aged 21-30 from his squads, and replaced them with mediocre players (Fawad Alam, Mohammad Hafeez, Iftikhar Ahmed, Shoaib Malik, Imran Khan, Sohail Khan) whose contemporaries of the same quality in every other country retired years ago.

You can compare Mohammad Asif to Jimmy Anderson, but you can only compare Sohail Khan to Graham Onions (who played his last Test 8 years ago).

Misbah took on BOTH the Chief Selector position AND the Head Coach position, for which he had neither the formal qualifications nor the coaching history to be a suitable applicant.

As such, the Buck Stops With Misbah.

He is uniquely responsible and totally responsible. He has no right to shirk responsibility - he took on all the powerful positions, he has destroyed the careers of people like Sami Aslam and Zafar Gohar, and now he needs to be held accountable for the predictable failure of his ONLY GERIATRICS AND KIDS selection policy.

The problem, of course, is that Misbah is a self-serving coward who takes all the power then shirks all the responsibility.

I am saying this because ever since I started watching cricket, we have looked for someone to blame - we never look at the full picture.

Misbah is a product of our system.
 
Fact is we need a person to hate at the moment - Misbah is an easy target at the moment. When he is gone, we will find another.

The underlying issues with Pak cricket will be swept aside.

The one and only significant problem in Pakistan cricket is Misbah-ul-Haq currently. All other problems are minor in comparison.

Misbah is:

1. A fraud - accepting the Head Coach job for which he is unqualified and lacks the experience or achievement in other coaching jobs.

2. Completely incompetent - taking only 5 bowlers to Australia. 3 were teenagers, 2 were over 30. And the 2 outrageous call-ups from nowhere were averaging 65 and 49 with the ball in domestic First Class.

3. A bare-faced liar - who blamed those Australian massacres on losing the bowlers in the primes of their careers, when he had lost Wahab Riaz who was 34 and Mohammad Amir who was probably 32. And Misbah had CHOSEN to pick Musa and Imran over higher-performing men in their twenties that season such as Ehsan Adil, Haris Rauf, Sameen Gul and even Amad Butt.

4. A coward who tries to evade responsibility. Misbah never takes press conferences on the bad days like key Arthur did. He has yet to ever take the blame when his pets Azhar and Shafiq were failing again and again.

5. An unfair man who plays favourites in selection. How did Misbah's friends like Iftikhar, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan get recalled with no numbers to justify it? How did Fawad Alam get called up but Sami Aslam wasn't even in the 29 man squad? How did Kashif Bhatti get ahead of Zafar Gohar?

There is absolutely nothing positive to say about Misbah's tenure either as Chief Selector or as Head Coach. This is a grossly incompetent buffoon who is ruining people's careers while refusing to take responsibility for his own incompetence.
 
The one and only significant problem in Pakistan cricket is Misbah-ul-Haq currently. All other problems are minor in comparison.

Misbah is:

1. A fraud - accepting the Head Coach job for which he is unqualified and lacks the experience or achievement in other coaching jobs.

2. Completely incompetent - taking only 5 bowlers to Australia. 3 were teenagers, 2 were over 30. And the 2 outrageous call-ups from nowhere were averaging 65 and 49 with the ball in domestic First Class.

3. A bare-faced liar - who blamed those Australian massacres on losing the bowlers in the primes of their careers, when he had lost Wahab Riaz who was 34 and Mohammad Amir who was probably 32. And Misbah had CHOSEN to pick Musa and Imran over higher-performing men in their twenties that season such as Ehsan Adil, Haris Rauf, Sameen Gul and even Amad Butt.

4. A coward who tries to evade responsibility. Misbah never takes press conferences on the bad days like key Arthur did. He has yet to ever take the blame when his pets Azhar and Shafiq were failing again and again.

5. An unfair man who plays favourites in selection. How did Misbah's friends like Iftikhar, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan get recalled with no numbers to justify it? How did Fawad Alam get called up but Sami Aslam wasn't even in the 29 man squad? How did Kashif Bhatti get ahead of Zafar Gohar?

There is absolutely nothing positive to say about Misbah's tenure either as Chief Selector or as Head Coach. This is a grossly incompetent buffoon who is ruining people's careers while refusing to take responsibility for his own incompetence.

You forgot to add few points

1) Misbah didn't allow Babar to accelerate

2) Misbah didn't allow Shoaib Malik to bowl

3) Misbah pushes Shadab to have one "hit me" Ball every over

4) Misbah shielded "best bowler in English conditions" from phainty after two glorious overs
 
You forgot to add few points

1) Misbah didn't allow Babar to accelerate

2) Misbah didn't allow Shoaib Malik to bowl

3) Misbah pushes Shadab to have one "hit me" Ball every over

4) Misbah shielded "best bowler in English conditions" from phainty after two glorious overs

It’s T20.

Why are the following even there?

Mohammad Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Iftikhar Ahmed
Mohammad Amir
Imad Wasim
Mohammad Rizwan

Can’t younger players do those jobs?
 
He's beginning to feel the heat and the pressure of all the various roles he has at the moment.

I can't see how he can continue in all of the roles unless he somehow convinces Wasim Khan.
 
The one and only significant problem in Pakistan cricket is Misbah-ul-Haq currently. All other problems are minor in comparison.

Misbah is:

1. A fraud - accepting the Head Coach job for which he is unqualified and lacks the experience or achievement in other coaching jobs.

2. Completely incompetent - taking only 5 bowlers to Australia. 3 were teenagers, 2 were over 30. And the 2 outrageous call-ups from nowhere were averaging 65 and 49 with the ball in domestic First Class.

3. A bare-faced liar - who blamed those Australian massacres on losing the bowlers in the primes of their careers, when he had lost Wahab Riaz who was 34 and Mohammad Amir who was probably 32. And Misbah had CHOSEN to pick Musa and Imran over higher-performing men in their twenties that season such as Ehsan Adil, Haris Rauf, Sameen Gul and even Amad Butt.

4. A coward who tries to evade responsibility. Misbah never takes press conferences on the bad days like key Arthur did. He has yet to ever take the blame when his pets Azhar and Shafiq were failing again and again.

5. An unfair man who plays favourites in selection. How did Misbah's friends like Iftikhar, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan get recalled with no numbers to justify it? How did Fawad Alam get called up but Sami Aslam wasn't even in the 29 man squad? How did Kashif Bhatti get ahead of Zafar Gohar?

There is absolutely nothing positive to say about Misbah's tenure either as Chief Selector or as Head Coach. This is a grossly incompetent buffoon who is ruining people's careers while refusing to take responsibility for his own incompetence.

Has Misbah's performance been incredibly disappointing. Yes ,very much so. But it's ridiculous to scapegoat him for the very prevalent deep lying problems that his successor will also face. The problems that [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] refers to.

You essentially claim that he could magically make the problems disappear by replace all the oldies with your suggested names. That is what most of us want as well. But it won't change Pakistan's fortunes because those younger lads will occasionally fail on the job, like all young players do. Just look at Shaheen and Naseem as examples. Even if they do win with the youngsters it will paper over the cracks. The following cracks:

The problem is the pathway for young players from domestic, age cricket and A team tours to the first team. That's not a Misbah issue, that's been a historical PCB issue. At least domestic efforts are being made to lower the average age of all 1st and 2nd XI domestic sides. But either due to financial constraints or lack of vision there have been zero results in arranging future A team and youth team tours. This will further reduce development opportunities for talented domestic lads. If Misbah's successor has actual 'tested' options (from the A team) rather than single replacements for Misbah's oldies, that could substantively affect the teams performance. Right now they have a replacement (say, a ' Zafar Gohar') who may do well in a couple of matches but then gets found soon. That's less likelier to happen if he's played at a level closer to international cricket I.e. A team cricket. This is especially, especially relevant for modern style batting options which we are sorely lacking in .

Thus, the above issue is not a Misbah specific problem but a serious deficiency in Pakistan cricket. And scapegoating Misbah does not address *this* problem!
 
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This is coming from a guy who as a captain didnt help his ppayers or talked to them and created a negative senior junior environment

People like you are the biggest problems; the blind supporters. Let's for a second assume you are right about Wasim being a bad captain. Does that mean that he can not voice his opinion on a matter he sees while commentating? Instead of bringing up his past try to understand his message.
 
Has Misbah's performance been incredibly disappointing. Yes ,very much so. But it's ridiculous to scapegoat him for the very prevalent deep lying problems that his successor will also face. The problems that [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] refers to.

You essentially claim that he could magically make the problems disappear by replace all the oldies with your suggested names. That is what most of us want as well. But it won't change Pakistan's fortunes because those younger lads will occasionally fail on the job, like all young players do. Just look at Shaheen and Naseem as examples.

Right now they have a replacement (say, a ' Zafar Gohar') who may do well in a couple of matches but then gets found soon. That's less likelier to happen if he's played at a level closer to international cricket I.e. A team cricket. This is especially, especially relevant for modern style batting options which we are sorely lacking in .
I appreciate your post, but I cannot really accept a few key points - areas where Misbah has essentially gaslighted us all.

Shaheen and Naseem are not the solution, they are part of the problem.

In that strange, strange place that is Misbah's head, teenagers and grandpas are the only solution. He does not accept that actually the guys who are ready to be selected are aged 21-30.

I'm not advocating for an attack of teenagers. I'm arguing that when you induct someone new it should be someone aged 21-30 unless it is a once in a generation talent in which case you go younger. But you don't ever go OLDER than 30 for new players.

You say that a "replacement" like Zafar Gohar might be found out at the highest level. Well, maybe, but you are therefore accepting Kashif Bhatti as the incumbent slow left-armer, and he never was until Misbah came along.

This is a perfect example of the sheer madness of Misbah's selections.

Inzamam and Mickey Arthur were grooming Mohammad Asghar as their slow left-armer. He is 22 years old, and he was the FOURTH highest wicket-taker (27 wickets) in last year's QEA.

There is a sound counter-argument for Zafar Gohar - he came THIRD with 38 wickets and can bat, so Zafar Gohar was a fair alternative to Mohammad Asghar.

Instead of this, Misbah selected Kashif Bhatti, who is 34 years old. He was the NINETEENTH highest wicket-taker with 14 wickets at an inferior strike rate.

And this is the problem. Misbah isn't just packing the team with failing geriatrics like Asad Shafiq. He is actually calling up MORE geriatrics, to perform roles which men a decade younger are doing better than Misbah's latest batch of geriatrics are at domestic level.

I could understand if Abid Ali had been called up when he was 27. But he was called up at 32, when he was the THIRTY THIRD highest runscorer in the QEA, while 25 year old Imran Butt was TOP and Sami Aslam was FOURTH highest runscorer.

That is the madness that we are getting accustomed to. Where there is a vacancy - opening batsman or slow left-armer or middle-order bat or fast bowler - Misbah picks a guy well into his thirties when there is a better performing alternative who is a decade younger.

Abid Ali instead of Sami Aslam and Imran Butt
Fawad Alam ahead of Haider Ali or Zeeshan Malik.
Sarfraz Ahmed ahead of Rohail Nazir.
Kashif Bhatti ahead of Zafar Gohar or Mohammad Asghar.
Imran Khan (and Sohail Khan) ahead of Ehsan Adil or Sameen Gul.

These are the selections of an impaired mind. It is literally madness to strip a sports team of its players aged 21-30 and replace them with guys in their mid-30's who weren't ever good enough to select previously.

This is absolute madness. There is no other word for it.
 
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I’d argue the biggest problem with Misbah is something no one is pointing out. Things like bad selections, favoritism, conservatism are all symptoms.

The real problem is mindset.

He has the mindset of a grinder.

It works in Pakistan/UAE/Sri Lanka and in some places in UK and it works only in test matches.

All other places require innovation, youth, nimbleness and freedom of expression. That stuff Misbah doesn’t have and he cannot allow in others either.

Hence he gets those who he can bend to his will - which are usually the oldies or the very young.
 
I’d argue the biggest problem with Misbah is something no one is pointing out.

Hence he gets those who he can bend to his will - which are usually the oldies or the very young.
And he always invests in the weak-minded followers rather than the people who are capable of more.

Investing in Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali ahead of Fawad Alam and Umar Akmal was a catastrophic blunder.

Imran Khan ahead of Ehsan Adil.

The list goes on. It's classic predatory behaviour by Misbah: groom the weaker people who will let you do what you want.

And now he has a puppet captain who lets him run the team in a way that Misbah as skipper would never have allowed a coach to do.
 
Tbh I don’t see anything wrong with this, pro football and basketball coaches always vent their frustration in much worse ways. There is nothing wrong with showing emotion, dudes not a robot.
 
Tbh I don’t see anything wrong with this, pro football and basketball coaches always vent their frustration in much worse ways. There is nothing wrong with showing emotion, dudes not a robot.

First of, even in football, managers direct most of their frustrations at the referee for borderline decisions or opposing players for fouls. Rarely do they vent on their own players - unless it is to motivate them.

Secondly, cricket is not football.

In cricket, decisions in real time happen on the pitch by the captain. In football, decision making is off the pitch by the manager. Therefore the manager has a lot, lot more at stake in football than they do in cricket.

All Misbah had to do was encourage Babar Azam from the balcony. Instead He threw his captain under the bus.
 
I appreciate your post, but I cannot really accept a few key points - areas where Misbah has essentially gaslighted us all.

Shaheen and Naseem are not the solution, they are part of the problem.

In that strange, strange place that is Misbah's head, teenagers and grandpas are the only solution. He does not accept that actually the guys who are ready to be selected are aged 21-30.

I'm not advocating for an attack of teenagers. I'm arguing that when you induct someone new it should be someone aged 21-30 unless it is a once in a generation talent in which case you go younger. But you don't ever go OLDER than 30 for new players.

You say that a "replacement" like Zafar Gohar might be found out at the highest level. Well, maybe, but you are therefore accepting Kashif Bhatti as the incumbent slow left-armer, and he never was until Misbah came along.

This is a perfect example of the sheer madness of Misbah's selections.

Inzamam and Mickey Arthur were grooming Mohammad Asghar as their slow left-armer. He is 22 years old, and he was the FOURTH highest wicket-taker (27 wickets) in last year's QEA.

There is a sound counter-argument for Zafar Gohar - he came THIRD with 38 wickets and can bat, so Zafar Gohar was a fair alternative to Mohammad Asghar.

Instead of this, Misbah selected Kashif Bhatti, who is 34 years old. He was the NINETEENTH highest wicket-taker with 14 wickets at an inferior strike rate.

And this is the problem. Misbah isn't just packing the team with failing geriatrics like Asad Shafiq. He is actually calling up MORE geriatrics, to perform roles which men a decade younger are doing better than Misbah's latest batch of geriatrics are at domestic level.

I could understand if Abid Ali had been called up when he was 27. But he was called up at 32, when he was the THIRTY THIRD highest runscorer in the QEA, while 25 year old Imran Butt was TOP and Sami Aslam was FOURTH highest runscorer.

That is the madness that we are getting accustomed to. Where there is a vacancy - opening batsman or slow left-armer or middle-order bat or fast bowler - Misbah picks a guy well into his thirties when there is a better performing alternative who is a decade younger.

Abid Ali instead of Sami Aslam and Imran Butt
Fawad Alam ahead of Haider Ali or Zeeshan Malik.
Sarfraz Ahmed ahead of Rohail Nazir.
Kashif Bhatti ahead of Zafar Gohar or Mohammad Asghar.
Imran Khan (and Sohail Khan) ahead of Ehsan Adil or Sameen Gul.

These are the selections of an impaired mind. It is literally madness to strip a sports team of its players aged 21-30 and replace them with guys in their mid-30's who weren't ever good enough to select previously.

This is absolute madness. There is no other word for it.
I agree with you on Misbah's crazy selection policy of two extremes - teenagers or hasbeens.

However on Imran Butt: he averaged 26, 25 and 22 in the three previous QEA Trophy seasons before the most recent one where he like many others cashed in on flat roads.

Sami Aslam averaged 23 in his last Test series in UAE. Abid meanwhile averages 49 in QEA Trophy since 2015 which is better than any other opener in that period.
 
And he always invests in the weak-minded followers rather than the people who are capable of more.

Investing in Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali ahead of Fawad Alam and Umar Akmal was a catastrophic blunder.

Imran Khan ahead of Ehsan Adil.

The list goes on. It's classic predatory behaviour by Misbah: groom the weaker people who will let you do what you want.

And now he has a puppet captain who lets him run the team in a way that Misbah as skipper would never have allowed a coach to do.

Absolutely right.

I will never say Pakistan is a No 1 or no 2 team in any format.

But with people like Misbah, Azhar, Waqar in charge of Pakistan cricket for a long time, this team has been punching significantly below its weight for eternity.

Misbah values loyalty and subservience above performance.
 
First of, even in football, managers direct most of their frustrations at the referee for borderline decisions or opposing players for fouls. Rarely do they vent on their own players - unless it is to motivate them.

Secondly, cricket is not football.

In cricket, decisions in real time happen on the pitch by the captain. In football, decision making is off the pitch by the manager. Therefore the manager has a lot, lot more at stake in football than they do in cricket.

All Misbah had to do was encourage Babar Azam from the balcony. Instead He threw his captain under the bus.

I'm talking about American Football - NFL, I can name countless times Bill Belichik has been visisbly frustrated when the pats are doing bad.

Secondly, I said there is nothing wrong with showing your emotions, never said anything about Misbah throwing Babar under the bus did I?
 
I'm talking about American Football - NFL, I can name countless times Bill Belichik has been visisbly frustrated when the pats are doing bad.

Secondly, I said there is nothing wrong with showing your emotions, never said anything about Misbah throwing Babar under the bus did I?

No I said that. Misbah totally threw his captain under the bus by showing frustration and absolving himself of all responsibility - when he is the one making all the calls.

In cricket, you just don't do that. Never will you see a coach visibly upset with his captain's tactics. He could be upset with match situation but that is not what Misbah deliberately seemed to communicate - that too so early in England's innings.

In NFL, manager may show frustration because he has a much bigger role to play than in cricket. To my limited knowledge, the QB has to choose from a few pre decided plays drilled by the coach. I'd imagine the coach will be the master of everything or close.
 
This is coming from a guy who as a captain didnt help his ppayers or talked to them and created a negative senior junior environment

That was a long time ago. Sports psychology, skills and training has moved forward leaps and bounds in 13 years. The real Issue is how to develop a team where bowlers can have depth and variety and where the captain can think on his feet.
 
The one and only significant problem in Pakistan cricket is Misbah-ul-Haq currently. All other problems are minor in comparison.

Misbah is:

1. A fraud - accepting the Head Coach job for which he is unqualified and lacks the experience or achievement in other coaching jobs.

2. Completely incompetent - taking only 5 bowlers to Australia. 3 were teenagers, 2 were over 30. And the 2 outrageous call-ups from nowhere were averaging 65 and 49 with the ball in domestic First Class.

3. A bare-faced liar - who blamed those Australian massacres on losing the bowlers in the primes of their careers, when he had lost Wahab Riaz who was 34 and Mohammad Amir who was probably 32. And Misbah had CHOSEN to pick Musa and Imran over higher-performing men in their twenties that season such as Ehsan Adil, Haris Rauf, Sameen Gul and even Amad Butt.

4. A coward who tries to evade responsibility. Misbah never takes press conferences on the bad days like key Arthur did. He has yet to ever take the blame when his pets Azhar and Shafiq were failing again and again.

5. An unfair man who plays favourites in selection. How did Misbah's friends like Iftikhar, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan get recalled with no numbers to justify it? How did Fawad Alam get called up but Sami Aslam wasn't even in the 29 man squad? How did Kashif Bhatti get ahead of Zafar Gohar?

There is absolutely nothing positive to say about Misbah's tenure either as Chief Selector or as Head Coach. This is a grossly incompetent buffoon who is ruining people's careers while refusing to take responsibility for his own incompetence.

No point in getting worked up like this. You, me and everyone needs to welcome and accept the mediocrity of the PCT. Not only will this lower our expectations but be good for our mental health too.

Instead, we should enjoy the sheer brilliance of England's batsmanship which in effect was an England B side.

I was hoping that with WC23 in mind, we would start our preparations now by grooming players that might be in the WC squad. But its clear Misbah has no intention of doing so.

I think we all remember what an utter shambles the WC15 preparations were like just prior to the tournament in Australia.
 
Misbah is only ruing his own skills as a coach. Misbah who is not emotive was reduced to that kind of body language. Just shows you how bad the situation is. Unfortunately, Misbah is one of the reasons for this disaster.
 
Everyone knows i am no big fan of Misbah. I wasn't a fan of the process that was followed to bring him in to replace Mickey Arthur, it was an unethical conflict of interest. But i was no fan of Mickey Arthur either and felt he deserved to not be reinstated. But i can't see anything positive on what Misbah has contributed to the team since taking charge behind the scenes in the last one year, in fact we have regressed tremendously and the successes against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh clearly look apparent because of how weak those teams are.

I hope Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan seriously introspect and change things once the evaluation period begins for the coaching staff.
 
Everyone knows i am no big fan of Misbah. I wasn't a fan of the process that was followed to bring him in to replace Mickey Arthur, it was an unethical conflict of interest. But i was no fan of Mickey Arthur either and felt he deserved to not be reinstated. But i can't see anything positive on what Misbah has contributed to the team since taking charge behind the scenes in the last one year, in fact we have regressed tremendously and the successes against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh clearly look apparent because of how weak those teams are.

I hope Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan seriously introspect and change things once the evaluation period begins for the coaching staff.

I fink if he gave the yount3sters a chance people will understand hes trying to build for the world cup but now hes chopped and changed between the seniors shezard umar akmal asif ali hafeez Malik wahab ect people wont give him a chance to breathe thiers no vision tbh wasim khan and ehsan mani should take responsibility has they appointed him on 3 positions
 
He is here again to make our lives miserable again. We have suffered so much in that era 2010-2017 only till Mickey breathed new life into our team. He is a gutless, spineless individual whose negativity spells over to the entire team and casts a gloom on all of us fans. Why was Mickey taken away anyway? We had a great world Cup and we won CT with an average team under him.
 
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Here is some more for body language.

I mean, how many times have we seen an English or Australian player like this?

Seriously, they drink alcohol and they do late night parties *BUT* during the games, they take full rest to be fully replenished and be fully ready for the next morning.

Idher Shahana mizaaj logon ki neendayn he poori nahi hoteen.

 
He is here again to make our lives miserable again. We have suffered so much in that era 2010-2017 only till Mickey breathed new life into our team. He is a gutless, spineless individual whose negativity spells over to the entire team and casts a gloom on all of us fans. Why was Mickey taken away anyway? We had a great world Cup and we won CT with an average team under him.

Are there any results to back this up?
 
Everyone knows i am no big fan of Misbah. I wasn't a fan of the process that was followed to bring him in to replace Mickey Arthur, it was an unethical conflict of interest. But i was no fan of Mickey Arthur either and felt he deserved to not be reinstated. But i can't see anything positive on what Misbah has contributed to the team since taking charge behind the scenes in the last one year, in fact we have regressed tremendously and the successes against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh clearly look apparent because of how weak those teams are.

I hope Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan seriously introspect and change things once the evaluation period begins for the coaching staff.

There were glaring failures against Sri Lanka too.
 
Sarfaraz should have a black coffee before every match from now onwards.

Here is some more for body language.

I mean, how many times have we seen an English or Australian player like this?

Seriously, they drink alcohol and they do late night parties *BUT* during the games, they take full rest to be fully replenished and be fully ready for the next morning.

Idher Shahana mizaaj logon ki neendayn he poori nahi hoteen.

 
Nonsense stuff from Wasim. Why does everyone always point out frivolous things yet never look into the actual issue of why Pakistan is losing match after match?

The answer is not because of coach being despondent on the balcony or losing the toss or rains helping England at crucial times. The answer is always the quality of players. If you have quality players, you would win much more games than you would lose. Then it wouldn't matter if you lose the toss or Misbah holds his head in his hands or rain comes.

Only Babar and Shaheen have some semblance of talent in this team. Hafeez is not consistent but he's still better than the garbage we have in reserves. Until the team develops 5-6 quality players in the team who can win you the match single-handedly, this team will continue to be at the level of SL, WI and Bangladesh.

And looking at the players right now in our domestic setup, we don't have even 1 match-winner in the whole country. It will take an incredible amount of coaching and the right structure at the junior level to develop the kind of modern players needed to win a match. Lower your expectations for atleast another 5 years.
 
Reading some of these posts i think Misbah might have the lowest reputation of any Pakistan coach in this century.

In fact the only guy who might have been percieved to have had a worse stint is the other guy currently in a coaching role - Waqar Younis!

Wasim Khan is going to have to make some big decisions after this series.
 
The ECB need to step in and revoke the coaching qualifications he obtained from them, he has disgraced the certification in an impregnable way
 
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It looked like Misbah was in full self destruct mode, my god not even Mickey was that bad. His dictatorship needs to end, he is too stubborn to change his way has always been that way for better or worse
 
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Here is some more for body language.

I mean, how many times have we seen an English or Australian player like this?

Seriously, they drink alcohol and they do late night parties *BUT* during the games, they take full rest to be fully replenished and be fully ready for the next morning.

Idher Shahana mizaaj logon ki neendayn he poori nahi hoteen.


Not sure what your point is here. Sarfraz got what was coming to him - he's yet to do anything more than carry drinks on this tour.

Misbah is currently in charge. Attacking Sarfraz isn't a defence for Misbah
 
Fact is we need a person to hate at the moment - Misbah is an easy target at the moment. When he is gone, we will find another. The underlying issues with Pak cricket will be swept aside.

what are the underlying issues and can a coaching team address these issues?
 
He is here again to make our lives miserable again. We have suffered so much in that era 2010-2017 only till Mickey breathed new life into our team. He is a gutless, spineless individual whose negativity spells over to the entire team and casts a gloom on all of us fans. Why was Mickey taken away anyway? We had a great world Cup and we won CT with an average team under him.

Good post. Cricket should be an enjoyable avenue for us fans, away from the rigours of the daily grind. But Misbah has taken it upon himself to heap misery on our lives.

It might even be worth switching off completely for a while as I know some fans have done rather than continue to torture ourselves.
 
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Wasim is talking nonsense as usual.

Mediocre players won’t turn into world beaters because their coach has a positive attitude.

Our players don’t have the ability. That is all.

Whether Misbah does bhangra in the dressing room or throws stuff around, nothing will change.

We need to lower our expectations - we do not have the talent or the skill or all the things that you need to beat the top sides.

You have no concept of building a team at all.
And you know what, you are not alone, because our fans and media and administrators don't have the patience nor the foresight for it
It takes time and there is a process that needs to be followed.
Nobody is saying we should be thrashing this England loi side or winning 3-0 in the tests.
Get real. Your coach shouldn't be looking like they are going to have a nervous breakdown , especially as it is somebody who is always calm and collected and not normally an animated character. Even then , you shouldn't be doing it when a young captain that you chose 3 games ago is making errors
 
You have no concept of building a team at all.
And you know what, you are not alone, because our fans and media and administrators don't have the patience nor the foresight for it
It takes time and there is a process that needs to be followed.
Nobody is saying we should be thrashing this England loi side or winning 3-0 in the tests.
Get real. Your coach shouldn't be looking like they are going to have a nervous breakdown , especially as it is somebody who is always calm and collected and not normally an animated character. Even then , you shouldn't be doing it when a young captain that you chose 3 games ago is making errors

Yeah I have heard this story for over 10 years now. What is the process that needs to be followed? We don’t have a clue.

We have been garbage for over a decade and then we have people asking us to be patient. Patient for what? What will happen in the near future? Nothing at all.

We have no clue about what it takes to build a winning team. Pakistan is a unique cricket nation where players, ex-players, coaches, analysts as well as the fans don’t understand cricket at all.

So yeah let’s focus on the body language of Misbah because that is seemingly the problem.
 
Misbah Ul haq's biggest weakness is his inferiority complex. Also it seems like he's the boss of the team when ideally the captain should be the one in charge.

Main point is Pakistan should never appoint any of its former players as coaches because most of them are clueless about the modern game. Most pakistani ex-cricketers have very little insight about the modern game strategy, planning, squad composition and role definition of players. Greats like Wasim & Waqar obviously have great great amount of knowledge about the technical aspect of the game but even they, tactically dosent really come across as very knowledgeable.

Pakistan hasn't yet developed a frontline LOI wicket taking spinner despite being a Subcontinental side. That is a mind boggling fact considering the next T-20 and 50 over worldcups will be in India. I doubt Misbah Ul Haq is even concerned about not having a wicket taking spinner. He just seems very archaic just like other pakistani ex cricketers.
 
Yeah I have heard this story for over 10 years now. What is the process that needs to be followed? We don’t have a clue.

We have been garbage for over a decade and then we have people asking us to be patient. Patient for what? What will happen in the near future? Nothing at all.

We have no clue about what it takes to build a winning team. Pakistan is a unique cricket nation where players, ex-players, coaches, analysts as well as the fans don’t understand cricket at all.

So yeah let’s focus on the body language of Misbah because that is seemingly the problem.

Totally agree, we've been served up utter garbage for a decade with Misbah the main culprit and yet we still need to be patient.
 
The one and only significant problem in Pakistan cricket is Misbah-ul-Haq currently. All other problems are minor in comparison.

Misbah is:

1. A fraud - accepting the Head Coach job for which he is unqualified and lacks the experience or achievement in other coaching jobs.

2. Completely incompetent - taking only 5 bowlers to Australia. 3 were teenagers, 2 were over 30. And the 2 outrageous call-ups from nowhere were averaging 65 and 49 with the ball in domestic First Class.

3. A bare-faced liar - who blamed those Australian massacres on losing the bowlers in the primes of their careers, when he had lost Wahab Riaz who was 34 and Mohammad Amir who was probably 32. And Misbah had CHOSEN to pick Musa and Imran over higher-performing men in their twenties that season such as Ehsan Adil, Haris Rauf, Sameen Gul and even Amad Butt.

4. A coward who tries to evade responsibility. Misbah never takes press conferences on the bad days like key Arthur did. He has yet to ever take the blame when his pets Azhar and Shafiq were failing again and again.

5. An unfair man who plays favourites in selection. How did Misbah's friends like Iftikhar, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan get recalled with no numbers to justify it? How did Fawad Alam get called up but Sami Aslam wasn't even in the 29 man squad? How did Kashif Bhatti get ahead of Zafar Gohar?

There is absolutely nothing positive to say about Misbah's tenure either as Chief Selector or as Head Coach. This is a grossly incompetent buffoon who is ruining people's careers while refusing to take responsibility for his own incompetence.

Top post. But you didnt mention how he was part of the committee who fired the coach, and then he later himself applied to be coach. Talk about a conflict of interest.

Yeah...let me fire this guy, let's all agree to fire this guy. Ok, phew, that's done. By the way guys, now that that position is empty anyway, how about you hire me?
 
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Yeah I have heard this story for over 10 years now. What is the process that needs to be followed? We don’t have a clue.

We have been garbage for over a decade and then we have people asking us to be patient. Patient for what? What will happen in the near future? Nothing at all.

We have no clue about what it takes to build a winning team. Pakistan is a unique cricket nation where players, ex-players, coaches, analysts as well as the fans don’t understand cricket at all.

So yeah let’s focus on the body language of Misbah because that is seemingly the problem.

Okay, you’re right. How do we build the team sir?
 
Former Pakistan skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq has slammed coach-cum-selector Misbah-ul-Haq for his negative body language during Pakistan’s defeat in the second T20 International against England on Sunday.

England chased down a stiff 196-run target losing only five wickets.

With England going strong at 65 for no loss, Misbah was seen sitting with his hands over his face and holding his head in disappointment.

Inzamam said such reactions sends a negative message to the team which was still battling in the middle.

“During the fifth over of England innings, when Pakistan were bowling their Powerplay overs and had conceded 40-45 runs, the camera kept showing Misbah and he had his hands on his head, which suggested that something really bad had happened,” Inzamam said in his YouTube channel.

“There were still 155-160 runs to go, the match could have gone in anyone’s favour, but you are sending a message that suggests that you have done something wrong.

Morgan leads England to victory in record chase against Pakistan

“You can have a proper discussion after the game, but if you respond like this during the match, then this will have a bad effect on the team.”

Inzaman said it is important to send “positive vibes” irrespective of the match situation.

“No matter what happens during the match, only positive vibes should go out from the dressing room. It’s very important. We are T20 champions. If we’re losing in that (format), it’s a cause of worry.”

The 50-year-old Inzamam, who scored 8830 runs in 120 Tests and 11739 runs in 378 ODIs, also drew a comparison between Misbah and former coach Mickey Arthur, who was shown the door following Pakistan’s disappointing World Cup campaign last year.

“Mickey Arthur used to respond in the same way,” said Inzamam, who was the chief selector when Arthur served as the chief coach.

“Whenever I used to go to watch series and talk to players, they used to complain a lot that Arthur’s similar antics affected them negatively.”

Pakistan has already lost the three-Test series 1-0 and is currently 0-1 behind England in the T20I series.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-mickey-arthur-comparison/article32486983.ece
 
Okay, you’re right. How do we build the team sir?

It is a bottom-up process.

Our cricket mentality is rotten to the core. We need a complete shift in mindset at the grassroots level, similar to what India did in the 90’s. Then and only then will we look like a serious, professional team.

We have made the 92 World Cup the cornerstone of Pakistan cricket. All this nonsense talk of unpredictability cornered tigers mentality have ruined our cricket.

As I said earlier, I think Pakistan cricket would have been in a much better shape today had we won the 1987 World Cup instead of the 1992 one.
 
Misbah had poor body language in 2nd T20 and Pak lost.

Misbah changed it to good body language in 3rd T20 and Pak won.

Cricket is simple and Wasim Akram was right.....
 
Yeah I have heard this story for over 10 years now. What is the process that needs to be followed? We don’t have a clue.

We have been garbage for over a decade and then we have people asking us to be patient. Patient for what? What will happen in the near future? Nothing at all.

We have no clue about what it takes to build a winning team. Pakistan is a unique cricket nation where players, ex-players, coaches, analysts as well as the fans don’t understand cricket at all.

So yeah let’s focus on the body language of Misbah because that is seemingly the problem.

It is part of the problem mate,
You are right , like I said our administrators fans and legends don't have a clue.

We are in agreement in that.

Garbage is a bit strong though.

For what we are (you can call it garbage if you want) and the issues we are aware of , we do fairly well to hover around 4th 5th in the order of sides
 
The love affair with Misbah has come to a very mundane end for me... I have never been a big fan of his coaching and selector-ship. Specially as a limited overs coach, his ideas seem outdated and benign.
 
It is a bottom-up process.

Our cricket mentality is rotten to the core. We need a complete shift in mindset at the grassroots level, similar to what India did in the 90’s. Then and only then will we look like a serious, professional team.

We have made the 92 World Cup the cornerstone of Pakistan cricket. All this nonsense talk of unpredictability cornered tigers mentality have ruined our cricket.

As I said earlier, I think Pakistan cricket would have been in a much better shape today had we won the 1987 World Cup instead of the 1992 one.

I fully agree. Yet you blast Wasim Khan every chance you get without offering constructive criticism on how to improve cricket at the grassroots. So what should we do?
 
Because certain people will stubbornly stick to their views despite arguments to the contrary then not come up with any solutions!
 
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