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“President Macron has attacked and hurt the sentiments of millions of Muslims” : PM Imran Khan
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Well at the very least he should.
If he carries on playing for a nation who treats him and his friends like a doormat then he is no better than the Anjum Chaudharys of this forum who live and mint money off of the secular UK but call for a caliphate.
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Looks like you know Pogba personally.
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That doesn't matter - his Prime Minister has rolled the dice. Let's see which way he decides to swim.
If there are reports coming out that he's left the team only to be dismissed as fake news, he's made his unfortunate decision.
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Let me just get this straight. You are saying that a resignation as a reaction to insults made towards the Prophet of Islam (Pbuh) is same as calling for caliphate while minting money in secular Europe?
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That is the complete opposite to what I've said, but carry on.
Anjum Chaudhry has chosen which way his bread is buttered, let's see what Paul Pogba does - France or Guinea.
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This is one of the rare instances when i have no clue what a poster is trying to say.
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Same source says he's denied it
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Macron messed up with his statement. I think he should apologize.
It is understandable if a random person says it. But, a leader saying it doesn't look good.
It is understandable if a random person says it. But, a leader saying it doesn't look good.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ca" dir="ltr">cricket-captain PM<br><br>why protest France & cartoons but not the Uyghur genocide next door by “best friend” china?<br><br>لزوال الدنيا أهون على الله من قتل رجل مسلم <br><br>“the destruction the world is lighter on Allah than killing a single Muslim” (Prophet Muhammad ص)<a href="https://t.co/IT9bVjKjiG">https://t.co/IT9bVjKjiG</a></p>— Maajid أبو عمّار (@MaajidNawaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1320697545815982080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Thats a really strange analogy lmao.
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Agreed. But it seems like whenever Imran Khan says anything in support of muslims, the mafia keeps turning the discussion to Uyghur.
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So france doesnt accept hate speech but mocking religious figures and slating a whole religion is fair game?
Hes making no sense whatsoever Just admit you made a mistake and take your words back.
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So ur comparing pogba to anjum chaudhary? Wow
Do you even read the rubbish you post How are the two people even comparable?
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Looking forward to seeing Imran tweeting about persecution of minorities in Pakistan soon. That would be a really good step forward instead of tweeting about Macron.
Remember, France was able to guarantee the safety and security for our own Asiya Bibi. This is something Pakistan was unable to do.
Remember, France was able to guarantee the safety and security for our own Asiya Bibi. This is something Pakistan was unable to do.
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So are you ok in French govt and some major institutions there saying wrong things about our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)? I am not and hence why I would raise this issue.
Pretty sure you would be offended if they (French) say things about Hinduism, but if it is Islam you won't defend it.
HYPOCRITE!
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Can someone translate what this even means?
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The French government can say what they like. They are entitled to their right to free speech and are free to talk about any religion whichever way they like. It is 2020 and we need to think in a modern way instead of getting emotional and making a laughing stock of ourselves. I am more concerned by real challenges facing Pakistani society like religious extremism and curbs on democracy and free speech than I am by what the French government thinks about cartoons.
Are Macron's comments preventing children in Pakistan from getting a decent education? Are they preventing people in Pakistan from getting access to improved standard of living? Are they affecting law and order situation in Pakistan? Are they impacting on the lives of ordinary Pakistanis in any serious way? In fact I am sure many Pakistanis, would consider moving to France if they were given the chance regardless of Macron says.
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The National Assembly on Monday unanimously passed a resolution condemning the publication of blasphemous caricatures in France and the "resurgence of Islamophobic acts" in some countries after a noisy session that saw the government and opposition deliver fiery speeches against each other.
The ruckus initially began due to the opposition and government wanting to present their own versions of the resolution but after lawmakers from both sides exchanges barbs over other political issues, Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri suspended the session for 10 minutes to allow the government and opposition to devise consensus on the resolution.
The move proved fruitful, with Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi returning to announce that the government and opposition members had agreed on a unanimous resolution by clubbing their two versions.
According to the resolution read out by the minister, the National Assembly while taking serious note of the republication of blasphemous caricatures depicting Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) and the desecration of the Holy Quran in Norway and Sweden "condemns in strongest terms the resurgence of blasphemous and Islamophobic acts by mischievous elements in some parts of the world".
The lower house also expressed serious concern at the "highly concerning statements and hate-mongering especially by leaders like [French] President Emmanuel Macron justifying unlawful propagation and insult to sentiments of more than a billion Muslims through such hate-driven acts under the garb of freedom of expression".
"[The assembly] condemns unequivocally the practice of blasphemy and of insulting prophets of Islam, Christianity and Judaism alike," according to the resolution, which also denounced acts of terror carried out in the name of any religion.
It deplored the "equating of Islam and Muslims with terrorism" and in order to effectively address the issue, urged the government to:
The resolution, which was subsequently passed unanimously, also called upon all non-OIC countries to provide legal avenues to Muslims residing in their territory for the redressal of their genuine grievances and urged the United Nations secretary general and UN high commissioner for human rights to "immediately initiate a global dialogue for inter-faith harmony and the countering of rising Islamophobia".
Opposition accused of 'doing politics' on the issue
Earlier, the house witnessed a ruckus as PML-N's Khawaja Asif criticised the government over employing alleged undemocratic practices and presented a resolution to condemn the blasphemous caricatures.
Foreign Minister Qureshi read out another resolution that the government wanted to be passed with consensus on the issue of blasphemy. With opposition members chanting "voting! voting!" for the resolution presented by Asif, a furious Qureshi accused the opposition of "doing politics" on the sensitive matter.
Qureshi said the entire world was anguished over the publication of the blasphemous caricatures and he was disappointed to see the opposition's "non-serious attitude" on the grave issue.
"They want to do politics even on such a sacred matter," he said amid continued noise from the opposition benches.
He said the publication of the sketches had hurt the sentiments of the entire Muslim world and was reflective of the "rising trend of Islamophobia". He added that he had presented a resolution condemning the act on the government's behalf and wanted it to be passed with consensus but the opposition instead resorted to political statements.
Earlier in the day, the Foreign Office (FO) had summoned the French ambassador to Pakistan, Marc Baréty, to lodge a "strong protest" against the publication of blasphemous sketches and recent comments made by the French president.
The French envoy was conveyed Pakistan's "deep concerns over the recent systematic resurgence of blasphemous acts of republication of caricatures of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and desecration of the Holy Quran by certain irresponsible elements", the FO spokesperson said in a statement.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1587131/n...inst-blasphemous-sketches-after-noisy-session
The ruckus initially began due to the opposition and government wanting to present their own versions of the resolution but after lawmakers from both sides exchanges barbs over other political issues, Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri suspended the session for 10 minutes to allow the government and opposition to devise consensus on the resolution.
The move proved fruitful, with Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi returning to announce that the government and opposition members had agreed on a unanimous resolution by clubbing their two versions.
According to the resolution read out by the minister, the National Assembly while taking serious note of the republication of blasphemous caricatures depicting Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) and the desecration of the Holy Quran in Norway and Sweden "condemns in strongest terms the resurgence of blasphemous and Islamophobic acts by mischievous elements in some parts of the world".
The lower house also expressed serious concern at the "highly concerning statements and hate-mongering especially by leaders like [French] President Emmanuel Macron justifying unlawful propagation and insult to sentiments of more than a billion Muslims through such hate-driven acts under the garb of freedom of expression".
"[The assembly] condemns unequivocally the practice of blasphemy and of insulting prophets of Islam, Christianity and Judaism alike," according to the resolution, which also denounced acts of terror carried out in the name of any religion.
It deplored the "equating of Islam and Muslims with terrorism" and in order to effectively address the issue, urged the government to:
The resolution, which was subsequently passed unanimously, also called upon all non-OIC countries to provide legal avenues to Muslims residing in their territory for the redressal of their genuine grievances and urged the United Nations secretary general and UN high commissioner for human rights to "immediately initiate a global dialogue for inter-faith harmony and the countering of rising Islamophobia".
Opposition accused of 'doing politics' on the issue
Earlier, the house witnessed a ruckus as PML-N's Khawaja Asif criticised the government over employing alleged undemocratic practices and presented a resolution to condemn the blasphemous caricatures.
Foreign Minister Qureshi read out another resolution that the government wanted to be passed with consensus on the issue of blasphemy. With opposition members chanting "voting! voting!" for the resolution presented by Asif, a furious Qureshi accused the opposition of "doing politics" on the sensitive matter.
Qureshi said the entire world was anguished over the publication of the blasphemous caricatures and he was disappointed to see the opposition's "non-serious attitude" on the grave issue.
"They want to do politics even on such a sacred matter," he said amid continued noise from the opposition benches.
He said the publication of the sketches had hurt the sentiments of the entire Muslim world and was reflective of the "rising trend of Islamophobia". He added that he had presented a resolution condemning the act on the government's behalf and wanted it to be passed with consensus but the opposition instead resorted to political statements.
Earlier in the day, the Foreign Office (FO) had summoned the French ambassador to Pakistan, Marc Baréty, to lodge a "strong protest" against the publication of blasphemous sketches and recent comments made by the French president.
The French envoy was conveyed Pakistan's "deep concerns over the recent systematic resurgence of blasphemous acts of republication of caricatures of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and desecration of the Holy Quran by certain irresponsible elements", the FO spokesperson said in a statement.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1587131/n...inst-blasphemous-sketches-after-noisy-session
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The challenges faced by Pakistan by religious or atheist extremism are very real indeed, but let's not fudge the issues by mixing them up. Post another thread if you want to discuss those issues, there is no limit to number of threads imposed by the Admin so feel free to start as many new topics as you like. If you want to pop your head in this thread then try to stay on track.
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Islamabad, Pakistan – Pakistan has summoned France’s ambassador in Islamabad to express its deep concerns over what it called “systematic … Islamophobic acts” in the European country.
Ambassador Marc Barety was summoned to the foreign office in Pakistan’s capital on Monday morning, a day after Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan criticised French President Emmanuel Macron for “encourag[ing] Islamophobia”.
The row centres around recent remarks by Macron regarding Islam and the issue of “blasphemy” that have sparked outrage in several Muslim-majority countries, including Pakistan, Turkey and in the Gulf.
Last week, Macron hailed Samuel Paty, a French schoolteacher who was beheaded by an 18-year-old man for showing cartoons of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad in his class, as a “quiet hero”.
“[Paty was killed] because he embodied the Republic which comes alive every day in classrooms, the freedom that is conveyed and perpetuated in schools,” said Macron. “Samuel Paty was killed because Islamists want our future and because they know that with quiet heroes like him, they will never have it.”
Muslims believe any depiction of the prophet is blasphemous. On Friday, the cartoons were projected onto government buildings in France.
Macron, who in September had defended the “right to blaspheme” under free speech rights, pledged earlier this month to fight what he termed “Islamist separatism” in France.
“The problem is an ideology which claims its own laws should be superior to those of the Republic,” he said during a visit to an impoverished Paris suburb on October 2.
The French government, he added, would work to enforce regulations that limit home schooling and to take other administrative actions that would limit what Macron referred to as “indoctrination”.
Boycott of goods
The remarks have been met with anger in some quarters.
In recent days Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Macron needed “mental treatment” for his statements. On Sunday, France recalled its ambassador to Ankara over those comments.
The row deepened on Monday, with Erdogan calling on Turkish people to not buy French goods.
Trade associations in several Arab countries had already announced a boycott of French products on Sunday, the same Khan also criticised Macron for his comments.
“This is a time when Pres[ident] Macron could have put healing touch and denied space to extremists rather than creating further polarisation and marginalisation that inevitably leads to radicalisation,” the Pakistani prime minister said in a Twitter post.
“It is unfortunate that he has chosen to encourage Islamophobia by attacking Islam rather than the terrorists who carry out violence, be it Muslims, White Supremacists or Nazi ideologists.”
Khan did not explicitly mention the attack on Paty, or other violent attacks related to alleged blasphemy, in his comments on Sunday.
Blasphemy is a particularly sensitive subject in Pakistan, whose strict blasphemy laws can carry a mandatory death sentence for certain forms of the offence. Increasingly, blasphemy allegations have resulted in violent attacks in Pakistan, where at least 77 people have been killed in connection with such allegations since 1990, according to an Al Jazeera tally.
Last month, a Pakistani man was taken into custody by French police for allegedly attacking and seriously wounding two people with a meat cleaver in Paris over the issue of blasphemy.
Khan has frequently brought up the issue of rising Islamophobia, especially in Western European countries and the United States, once again focusing on the issue during his address to the United Nations General Assembly in September.
On Sunday, he wrote a public letter to Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg asking the social media platform to place a ban on content deemed to be Islamophobic or encouraging hate against Muslims.
He referenced the platform’s recent decision to ban content that supports the Holocaust genocide against European Jews between 1941 and 1945, or questions its existence.
“Given the rampant abuse and vilification of Muslims on social media platforms, I would ask you to place a similar ban on Islamophobia and hate against Islam for Facebook that you have put in place for the Holocaust,” Khan said in a copy of the letter published by his office.
“The message of hate must be banned in total – one cannot send a message that while hate messages against some are unacceptable, these are acceptable against others.”
In a statement emailed to Al Jazeera on Monday, a Facebook spokesperson said the company continued to work to address any hate speech on the platform.
“We stand against all forms of hate including hate targeting the Muslim community,” said the spokesperson. “We do not allow people to attack anyone based on their race, ethnicity, national origin or religion, and we remove this hate speech as soon as we become aware of it.”
The spokesperson said Facebook “appreciate[d] feedback from governments, experts and communities as we work to keep our platform safe.”
In the second quarter of 2020, the platform acted against 22.5 million pieces of potential hate speech, compared to 9.6 million in the previous quarter, according to company data.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/26/pakistan-accuses-macron-of-encouraging
Ambassador Marc Barety was summoned to the foreign office in Pakistan’s capital on Monday morning, a day after Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan criticised French President Emmanuel Macron for “encourag[ing] Islamophobia”.
The row centres around recent remarks by Macron regarding Islam and the issue of “blasphemy” that have sparked outrage in several Muslim-majority countries, including Pakistan, Turkey and in the Gulf.
Last week, Macron hailed Samuel Paty, a French schoolteacher who was beheaded by an 18-year-old man for showing cartoons of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad in his class, as a “quiet hero”.
“[Paty was killed] because he embodied the Republic which comes alive every day in classrooms, the freedom that is conveyed and perpetuated in schools,” said Macron. “Samuel Paty was killed because Islamists want our future and because they know that with quiet heroes like him, they will never have it.”
Muslims believe any depiction of the prophet is blasphemous. On Friday, the cartoons were projected onto government buildings in France.
Macron, who in September had defended the “right to blaspheme” under free speech rights, pledged earlier this month to fight what he termed “Islamist separatism” in France.
“The problem is an ideology which claims its own laws should be superior to those of the Republic,” he said during a visit to an impoverished Paris suburb on October 2.
The French government, he added, would work to enforce regulations that limit home schooling and to take other administrative actions that would limit what Macron referred to as “indoctrination”.
Boycott of goods
The remarks have been met with anger in some quarters.
In recent days Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Macron needed “mental treatment” for his statements. On Sunday, France recalled its ambassador to Ankara over those comments.
The row deepened on Monday, with Erdogan calling on Turkish people to not buy French goods.
Trade associations in several Arab countries had already announced a boycott of French products on Sunday, the same Khan also criticised Macron for his comments.
“This is a time when Pres[ident] Macron could have put healing touch and denied space to extremists rather than creating further polarisation and marginalisation that inevitably leads to radicalisation,” the Pakistani prime minister said in a Twitter post.
“It is unfortunate that he has chosen to encourage Islamophobia by attacking Islam rather than the terrorists who carry out violence, be it Muslims, White Supremacists or Nazi ideologists.”
Khan did not explicitly mention the attack on Paty, or other violent attacks related to alleged blasphemy, in his comments on Sunday.
Blasphemy is a particularly sensitive subject in Pakistan, whose strict blasphemy laws can carry a mandatory death sentence for certain forms of the offence. Increasingly, blasphemy allegations have resulted in violent attacks in Pakistan, where at least 77 people have been killed in connection with such allegations since 1990, according to an Al Jazeera tally.
Last month, a Pakistani man was taken into custody by French police for allegedly attacking and seriously wounding two people with a meat cleaver in Paris over the issue of blasphemy.
Khan has frequently brought up the issue of rising Islamophobia, especially in Western European countries and the United States, once again focusing on the issue during his address to the United Nations General Assembly in September.
On Sunday, he wrote a public letter to Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg asking the social media platform to place a ban on content deemed to be Islamophobic or encouraging hate against Muslims.
He referenced the platform’s recent decision to ban content that supports the Holocaust genocide against European Jews between 1941 and 1945, or questions its existence.
“Given the rampant abuse and vilification of Muslims on social media platforms, I would ask you to place a similar ban on Islamophobia and hate against Islam for Facebook that you have put in place for the Holocaust,” Khan said in a copy of the letter published by his office.
“The message of hate must be banned in total – one cannot send a message that while hate messages against some are unacceptable, these are acceptable against others.”
In a statement emailed to Al Jazeera on Monday, a Facebook spokesperson said the company continued to work to address any hate speech on the platform.
“We stand against all forms of hate including hate targeting the Muslim community,” said the spokesperson. “We do not allow people to attack anyone based on their race, ethnicity, national origin or religion, and we remove this hate speech as soon as we become aware of it.”
The spokesperson said Facebook “appreciate[d] feedback from governments, experts and communities as we work to keep our platform safe.”
In the second quarter of 2020, the platform acted against 22.5 million pieces of potential hate speech, compared to 9.6 million in the previous quarter, according to company data.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/26/pakistan-accuses-macron-of-encouraging
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I dare you to deny holocaust on Facebook, or maybe wipe your butt with French or British flag. Lets see if you survive. What I was trying to say was that there is a massive gap in hypocrisy. I am not saying become Muslim. I am saying that there is onething that upsets Muslims, just as there is one thing that upsets Jews and maybe a few things that upsets others (British, French, etc.). Why the double standards?
Don't forget, if you are silent over something wrong, then you are part of the problem. If you are a Muslim, then you would stand up.
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North African immigrants and illegals have created a mess in France. When the Government tries to do something to counter it, they will get called Islamophobic.
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Why do you and a few others keep trying to push the misinformation that France is facing opposition because they are trying to curb extremism? No one is blaming France for fighting extremism. The backlash is because in an unprecedented display of hate the French government chose to display the objectionable caricatures on a state level.
Are you telling me they were fighting extremism by insulting every practising Muslim? Marcon did this as an election stunt but it seems to be backfiring. France’s economic is struggling cause of covid anyways and if the economic boycott gains momentum in the Middle East, it could add to their problems.
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You need to understand that Freedom of speech and expression is at the core of their culture and includes caricatures and lampooning of all religious and political figures. If someone does not like that, they can leave france and go to a country that respects their beliefs and religion.
I am in full support of criticizing and making fun of everyone as long as it is not calling for genocide and killing. French are displaying cartoons on state buildings in show of solidarity to free speech.
I don't think Imran needed to weigh in on this issue but I understand why he did. He's gaining as many political points with the far-right in Pakistan as Macron is in France with his Islam bashing.
So let's recap. A teacher is beheaded for showing the Charlie Hebdo cartoons in class. His intention was not to mock the Prophet but to stimulate debate about free speech. From what I read he offered the Muslim students an opportunity to look away so they not be offended, but the mere act caused complaints and led to his death. Can there be any justification for his murder ? None whatsoever. It was barbaric and against the example the Prophet himself set. Was Samuel Paty guilty of naivety ? Probably, he should've known the cartoons issue is a tinderbox amongst French-North African Muslims who've been responsible for several terror attacks inside France, including against Charlie Hebdo.
What's Macron's motivations for making such a blunt and robust critique against Islam, more so than any recent Western European leader has to date ? Macron's biggest opponent in France is not the centre-right or centre-left, but the far-right anti-immigration Front National led by Marine Le Pen who won over 10m votes in the 2017 Election. Is he right to say "Islam is in crisis around the world" ? I don't know how one can deny that fact. Is he right to make these comments so soon after an Islamist atrocity, that can easily put the glare of suspicion upon the entire European Muslim community, given the climate of anti-Muslim sentiment across Europe ? No. Instead of quietly putting in place anti-extremism policies, i.e. banning foreign funding of mosques or increasing funding into anti-radicalisation programmes - Macron has decided to pour gas on the burning culture wars that's polarised the West and wider world. A leader sets an example not just what they say, but what they don't say.
So what about these reactions across the Muslim world ? Let's get REAL. The severity of the reaction is linked to the extent of economic dependence and political necessities. It's laughable to suggest this is about upholding the Ummah. Even Imran, seemingly the most committed to the notion, bites his tongue against his Chinese creditors who've done more to persecute Muslims than Macron has ever done. To address [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION]'s point, the likes of Erdogan, Imran and Arab leaders are placating to domestic audiences. Imran can angrily tweet against Macron knowing Pakistani exports to France are less than half a billion dollars. Put Boris Johnson in Macron's place, I'm not so sure Imran delivers the volley of tweets given Pakistan exports to the UK are worth triple.
Meanwhile Erdogan, presiding over a sluggish economy, has given up all hope of Turkish accession to the EU. France and Turkey have differences over Libya and the eastern Mediterranean Sea. Erdogan has found a reason to energise his conservative base.
As for the Arabs ? You wouldn't find a greater display of hypocrisy. These tyrannical fiefdoms have suddenly become Champions of Islam in a month where some have declared their love for the far-right, Palestinian-hating regime of Benjamin Netanyahu's Israel to further attempt the destruction of another Muslim country Iran !
So let's recap. A teacher is beheaded for showing the Charlie Hebdo cartoons in class. His intention was not to mock the Prophet but to stimulate debate about free speech. From what I read he offered the Muslim students an opportunity to look away so they not be offended, but the mere act caused complaints and led to his death. Can there be any justification for his murder ? None whatsoever. It was barbaric and against the example the Prophet himself set. Was Samuel Paty guilty of naivety ? Probably, he should've known the cartoons issue is a tinderbox amongst French-North African Muslims who've been responsible for several terror attacks inside France, including against Charlie Hebdo.
What's Macron's motivations for making such a blunt and robust critique against Islam, more so than any recent Western European leader has to date ? Macron's biggest opponent in France is not the centre-right or centre-left, but the far-right anti-immigration Front National led by Marine Le Pen who won over 10m votes in the 2017 Election. Is he right to say "Islam is in crisis around the world" ? I don't know how one can deny that fact. Is he right to make these comments so soon after an Islamist atrocity, that can easily put the glare of suspicion upon the entire European Muslim community, given the climate of anti-Muslim sentiment across Europe ? No. Instead of quietly putting in place anti-extremism policies, i.e. banning foreign funding of mosques or increasing funding into anti-radicalisation programmes - Macron has decided to pour gas on the burning culture wars that's polarised the West and wider world. A leader sets an example not just what they say, but what they don't say.
So what about these reactions across the Muslim world ? Let's get REAL. The severity of the reaction is linked to the extent of economic dependence and political necessities. It's laughable to suggest this is about upholding the Ummah. Even Imran, seemingly the most committed to the notion, bites his tongue against his Chinese creditors who've done more to persecute Muslims than Macron has ever done. To address [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION]'s point, the likes of Erdogan, Imran and Arab leaders are placating to domestic audiences. Imran can angrily tweet against Macron knowing Pakistani exports to France are less than half a billion dollars. Put Boris Johnson in Macron's place, I'm not so sure Imran delivers the volley of tweets given Pakistan exports to the UK are worth triple.
Meanwhile Erdogan, presiding over a sluggish economy, has given up all hope of Turkish accession to the EU. France and Turkey have differences over Libya and the eastern Mediterranean Sea. Erdogan has found a reason to energise his conservative base.
As for the Arabs ? You wouldn't find a greater display of hypocrisy. These tyrannical fiefdoms have suddenly become Champions of Islam in a month where some have declared their love for the far-right, Palestinian-hating regime of Benjamin Netanyahu's Israel to further attempt the destruction of another Muslim country Iran !
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Usual Irony from an Indian Hindu.
'Pot calling the Kettle black' springs to mind.
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I guess being lynched for eating beef isn't retaliation lol.
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Sure but France need to understand they don't exist inside a bubble. They have the right to display what they want but other countries also have the right to boycott them if they see fit. Doesn't freedom work both ways?
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Wish IK would focus on pertinent issues at home rather than what the French PM is up to.
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Getting lynched is par for the course and perfectly reasonable response to eating beef, as per certain posters on here.
Agreed
Imran khan should focus on domestic issues. Country is a mess
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I mean one person can do more than one thing. At most he probably spent like 15 minutes issuing these tweets. I am sure his main focus is on domestic issues.
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Yeah won't be too shocked if some posters here think that being killed for eating beef is a completely natural reaction.
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He is. You may not appreciate it but IK is only echoing the thoughts of the people of Pakistan.
Where is Macron's reply? Also where is his condemnation of the attack on two Muslim women? When you have a leader who is such a imbecile, other leaders must stand up to them.
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When did the Chinese draw cartoons of the Prophet(pbuh)? Dont confuse two different issues into one.
I had to educate you, France has NO freedom of speech, so please dont make daft mistakes as above anymore.
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Wars & conflicts are not the same as intentionall offense towards religions. Imran knows this, you wont get it. My advice stop trying to debate, you should have learned from previous maulings.
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Other countries have the right to boycott france. Its completely their choice. Why France displayed the cartoons on Government buildings is to show solidarity and support for free speech due to the murder of the french teacher.
Had the Chechen idiot not killed the French teacher and instead protested peacefully, the message would have been better received by the entire world. None of this would have even happened. Nobody should be killed for exercising free speech.
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People who kill for eating beef are no better than the idiot that killed French teacher. I completely oppose beef ban in India. Its nobodies business as to what somebody eats at his home.
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There is NO free speech in France. You are ignorant. So why did project those hate filled cartoons on the buildings, try again?
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Its a clear provocation
A good leader would unite its population not divide and rile a certain percentage up against the other
Macron has an agenda behind this Its country is fast going down the facist route like india has
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Speaking with Al Jazeera, French Muslim activist Yasser Louati, stated he believed Macron was “using Islamophobia to power his campaign.” President Macron is nearing the end of his first term as the next election is in 2022, and his first term has been marked by social unrest and economic instability. A June 2020 poll found that Macron’s approval rating stands at 38%.
While Macron positions himself as a centrist, he and his government employ the same rhetoric used by the far-right when it comes to Islam and Muslims. Claims that Muslims are forming a “parallel society” and engaged in a culture war that threatens “European values” and civilization have been a mainstay of far-right politicians and commentators in the country. This far-right discourse has steadily made its way into the mainstream. If there’s one thing the political parties can agree on, it’s the demonization of Islam and Muslims.
Scapegoating Muslims is a tried and tested tactic when it comes to electoral campaigns: it generally pays off. Macron’s intent to tackle “separatism” already has widespread approval as a recent poll found that more 75% of respondents supported the legislation, even though “nearly half worried it might deepen divisions within the country.” Instead of tackling the second wave of COVID-19, the government is busy pointing fingers at the Muslim community, accusing them of failing to “assimilate.” This was exemplified by the Interior Minister’s recent comments expressing shock over halal food sections at grocery stores, instead of focusing on an actual problem: the record 41,622 new cases of the novel coronavirus.
https://bridge.georgetown.edu/research/macrons-policies-will-further-stigmatize-french-muslims/
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Wrong spellings in hashtags are really irksome… But anyway, a popular topic in Pakistan.
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More than 15 mins, it’s a signal of where his priories are. Pakistan needs to stop being the thekeydaar of Muslims around the world.
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People in Pakistan have a lot of free time and therefore a lot of useless thoughts. Our PM shouldn’t be sitting around tweeting about them. I don’t agree with Macron but I also don’t think Pakistan should be wasting calories worrying about France.
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Its not France, it's their love for the Prophet(pbuh). Leaders often speak out against anything which may hurt or upset their public. French leaders cant shut up about the Muslim world, which has no bearing on the French people apart from if they benefit from the looting & raping of the French state.
I would go the other way, more Muslim leaders need to stand up but atm we only have two which are powerful in any way, Erdogan and Imran.
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Lol what? "we respect all differences in spirit of peace", "we don't accept hate speech", "side with human dignity"
Is he really serious? Mocking someone else's religion and defending the mockery at a state level is called spirit of peace, not accepting hate speech and human dignity??? He's totally confused about the terms. Sounds like an ignorant politician from across the border who are only driven from hatred and are too jahil to understand terms like peace and dignity.
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The Chechen was one lone individual acting on his own. France is a sovereign country and yet they are projecting offensive images of the Prophet PBUH on walls of govt buildings. Don't you think it is inappropriate for a first world country to be indulging in such provocative behaviour?
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Protesters gathered in the Pakistani city of Karachi on Tuesday in another demonstration against French president Emmanuel Macron following his comments in the wake of the beheading of a French school teacher.
The latest protest comes a day after Pakistan summoned the French ambassador to complain about Macron's "systematic Islamophobic campaign" after he defended the freedom to publish religious cartoons in France.
Further protests took place on Monday after Pakistani prime minister Imran Khan accused Macron of "attacking Islam".
Macron sparked outrage after he indicated France would not stop publishing satirical cartoons, including those of the Prophet Mohammed, at a national tribute for murdered teacher Samuel Paty, saying: "We will not give up cartoons, drawings, even if others back down".
Samuel Paty murder: French opinion divided over government response to Islamic terrorism
France recalls ambassador after Erdoğan calls Macron's mental health into question
Macron vows to continue 'fight for freedom' as France pays tribute to beheaded teacher Samuel Paty
Paty was beheaded outside his school by an Islamic extremist after having taught a lesson on freedom of speech using caricatures from the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.
The French ambassador was summoned "to express Pakistan's concern about the systematic Islamophobic campaign under the guise of freedom of expression" in France, Zahid Hafeez Chaudhri, the spokesman of the Pakistani Foreign Ministry, told AFP.
Pakistan's parliament also passed a motion on Monday urging Khan's government to recall the country's ambassador from Paris.
"President Macron could have played appeasement," Khan, a former cricket star and playboy turned politician, tweeted on Sunday.
"It is regrettable that he chose to encourage Islamophobia by attacking Islam rather than the terrorists who practice violence, whether they are Muslims, white supremacists or Nazi ideologues," he continued.
On Sunday, the Pakistani prime minister also announced that he had written to Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg to ask him to block Islamophobic content, after the platform announced in mid-October that it would ban Holocaust denial content.
Anti-French sentiment is running high in the Muslim world, with many countries now boycotting French products in response to Macron's comments.
As the boycott intensified on Sunday, the French president doubled down on his stance, tweeting: "We will not give in, ever”.
"We respect all differences in a spirit of peace. We do not accept hate speech and defend reasonable debate,” he added. “We will always be on the side of human dignity and universal values".
Depictions of the Prophet Mohammed have long been a sensitive issue in the Muslim world, with many seeing it as blasphemous. In 2005, the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten provoked outrage and stirred protests around the world after publishing cartoons of the founder of Islam.
Protesters gathered in the Pakistani city of Karachi on Tuesday in another demonstration against French president Emmanuel Macron following his comments in the wake of the beheading of a French school teacher.
The latest protest comes a day after Pakistan summoned the French ambassador to complain about Macron's "systematic Islamophobic campaign" after he defended the freedom to publish religious cartoons in France.
Further protests took place on Monday after Pakistani prime minister Imran Khan accused Macron of "attacking Islam".
Macron sparked outrage after he indicated France would not stop publishing satirical cartoons, including those of the Prophet Mohammed, at a national tribute for murdered teacher Samuel Paty, saying: "We will not give up cartoons, drawings, even if others back down".
Samuel Paty murder: French opinion divided over government response to Islamic terrorism
France recalls ambassador after Erdoğan calls Macron's mental health into question
Macron vows to continue 'fight for freedom' as France pays tribute to beheaded teacher Samuel Paty
Paty was beheaded outside his school by an Islamic extremist after having taught a lesson on freedom of speech using caricatures from the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.
The French ambassador was summoned "to express Pakistan's concern about the systematic Islamophobic campaign under the guise of freedom of expression" in France, Zahid Hafeez Chaudhri, the spokesman of the Pakistani Foreign Ministry, told AFP.
Pakistan's parliament also passed a motion on Monday urging Khan's government to recall the country's ambassador from Paris.
"President Macron could have played appeasement," Khan, a former cricket star and playboy turned politician, tweeted on Sunday.
"It is regrettable that he chose to encourage Islamophobia by attacking Islam rather than the terrorists who practice violence, whether they are Muslims, white supremacists or Nazi ideologues," he continued.
On Sunday, the Pakistani prime minister also announced that he had written to Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg to ask him to block Islamophobic content, after the platform announced in mid-October that it would ban Holocaust denial content.
Anti-French sentiment is running high in the Muslim world, with many countries now boycotting French products in response to Macron's comments.
As the boycott intensified on Sunday, the French president doubled down on his stance, tweeting: "We will not give in, ever”.
"We respect all differences in a spirit of peace. We do not accept hate speech and defend reasonable debate,” he added. “We will always be on the side of human dignity and universal values".
Depictions of the Prophet Mohammed have long been a sensitive issue in the Muslim world, with many seeing it as blasphemous. In 2005, the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten provoked outrage and stirred protests around the world after publishing cartoons of the founder of Islam.
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Pakistan's parliament calls for recall of envoy to France, but fails to check, theres no envoy there. Over enthusiasm!
https://www.thenews.com.pk/amp/735356-pakistan-has-no-ambassador-in-france?__twitter_impression=true
https://www.thenews.com.pk/amp/735356-pakistan-has-no-ambassador-in-france?__twitter_impression=true
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Definitely deserves an A+ for the intent.
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I guess you might be keeping tabs of everything he does all day.
He just issued a statement and two days later you lot are still discussing it. Doesn't mean he cannot focus on 'domestic issues'.
Successfully controlling corona and locusts while reviving economy shows that he has a grip on 'domestic issues'. Also IK's silence on the matter would Infact have become a 'domestic issue' that could be exploited by opposition and extremist mullahs to proclaim him as a yahoodi agent.
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The ambassador to France was transferred three months ago to China and a replacement is awaiting appointment. It was literally in the news report that you posted.
Should have read it unless you were purposefully aiming to come across this ignorant.
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Why does it? Whats your problem if pakistan is trying to be the thekedaar?
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Saudis were never the thekedaars my friend When have they ever had the interests of islam as their priority?
Imran Khan has to do a lot more.
- Ask French president to apologize to all muslims of the world especially the muslims of France.
- If French president does not apologize then ask French Ambassador to leave Pakistan and ask Pakistan Ambassador if there is one to come back.
- If French president still does not apologize then ban all imports from France.
- If French president still does not apologize then stop all companies to work in Pakistan which are french or which have any french element.
- If French president still does not apologize then talk with other muslim countries to follow the same steps.
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You do realize its France and not some tin pot country. France is itself one of the most powerful countries and has some of the most powerful allies.
Pakistan is literally in no position to do anything to France.
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Im sure collectively more than a billion muslims can though
Good on imran and erodogan leading the way
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Collectively more than 6bn non muslims too will be looking at this attempt to bully a nation to submit its right to run its internal issues.
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Lol over what basis will they unite I think your living a pipe dream Mr India
Theres nothing that unites 6bn non muslims Wake up and stop day dreaming Stick to indian politics Youre out of your depth here
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Apart from India, most of the 6billion population wont care. UK will rub its hands in glee. Trump ( if reelected) wont care too much as he no time for Macron either. Doubt china cares too much. Doubt South America cares much.
Doesn't really leave much lol. You can hype it up as much as possible as a clash of civilisations but its hardly going to be that.
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The right to live their lives and run their country the way they want to.
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Do you even read what you write?
Please explain how 6bh non muslims are going to unite? Laughable comment
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Says the guy who 2 seconds ago became the collectice voice of 6 billion people!
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I said 6bn people will be looking, not what they will do.
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Gotta feel bad for Muslim Indians, they're hated by their compatriots who are willing to piggyback on any Islamophobic trend/movement.
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Even east and west Pakistan couldn't stay together and muslims killed Muslims.
Wishful thinking that muslims could unite but the reality is different throughout the history.
The case gets even weaker when IK, who is the so called leader of this "union" as claimed by you and few others, decides put a blind eye to Chinas treatment towards Muslims. Aljazeera did expose IK very badly in this regard.
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