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“Waqar said give me 2 years with the 5 quicks and I’ll make them into world beaters” : Wasim Khan

Waqar & Misbah both are cancer for team , they are not capable enough , and both are shameless,
 
Wonder what plans were given to Pakistan bowlers for Lord's?
 
Its very depressing to see Waqar with no performance is still our bowling coach.
 
MenInG said:
Wonder what plans were given to Pakistan bowlers for Lord's?
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The answer to that is from a Wisden interview in 2011.

“We’ve never given importance to coaching. We were never analytical or scientific. That guy is there [he points to the video analysis man on the dressing-room balcony], yeah sure he’s there. And he’s sitting there, and it’s kind of a highlights package and you can sit and analyse moments. But actually in the ’90s we never did analyse anyone: ‘he plays well here, don’t put it there.’

It’s not how long do you bowl at him there, what kind of field, what lengths, what is the B plan, the C plan, after that if it goes wrong, what happens? We had one plan. Go out there, get a wicket. We had resources. We sensed it and said, OK, bring Waqar back. Not even the captain [decided]. Sometimes I would go to the captain, give me two overs, let me do it. It was a kind of teamwork within the team but not like we’ll have a plan from before.

“No other country does it. Match-winners are always handy. Shoaib Akhtar? Match-winner. He’ll be ugly throughout the game, but with one or two overs he’ll change it, one spell. That’s why you play those characters. You can’t put the game in a shell where you have to be calculating, or planned or on this laptop, seeing how often this guy has gotten that guy out. Don’t do that.”
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Waqar's coaching philosophy ladies and gents.
 
Imran Khan's parchi (Misbah and Waqar) making sure we lose ODI status in few years..

All hail Lord Misbah
 
Waqar treats PCB like a government job.

He has been employed by them for around 80% of the time since 2006 and he has produced 0 results.

He has served as bowling coach and as head coach a million times and has failed with flying colors every single time.

He also doesn’t care - he knows he will never get employed by another board and PCB will keep paying his bills.

He doesn’t get a proper coaching job in PSL either. He was hired by an IPL franchise in 2013 and he was so bad they never looked his way again.

Wasim, in spite of his simplistic commentary, is a far better coach. His record in IPL and PSL is not a coincidence or a matter of luck.

Unfortunately, he has no interest in working for PCB and this allows Waqar to keep his job without performing.

It is complete mess.
 
Been watching Pakistan cricket for more than 30 years ; and saw them from


Beating world class sides to competitively losing them to now losing their C side in a complete series
 
Mamoon said:
Waqar treats PCB like a government job.

He has been employed by them for around 80% of the time since 2006 and he has produced 0 results.

He has served as bowling coach and as head coach a million times and has failed with flying colors every single time.

He also doesn’t care - he knows he will never get employed by another board and PCB will keep paying his bills.

He doesn’t get a proper coaching job in PSL either. He was hired by an IPL franchise in 2013 and he was so bad they never looked his way again.

Wasim, in spite of his simplistic commentary, is a far better coach. His record in IPL and PSL is not a coincidence or a matter of luck.

Unfortunately, he has no interest in working for PCB and this allows Waqar to keep his job without performing.

It is complete mess.
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Pity Waqar, he never had Wasim's fame, adulation worldwide but he soiled whatever status he had with his disasterous coaching stints with Pakistan.
 
2 years aren't over yet?
Azhar Mahmood is a far better bowling coach who actually works on the basics with the bowlers.
 
We deserved this the day we sacked Mickey Arthur.

Now please don't start this discussion we all know He had his limitations as well but Misbah Waqar combo is a virus which is exactly bringing the same stuff which we used to see when Misbah was captaining the side.

Can somebody ask any other board that they'll offer any coaching position to Misbah Ul Haq who only knows cricket of 90's and nothing else.

Waqar also proved that he was a good bowler but he's not good coach still we're hiring Him.

The Misbah coaching position was also controversial. How many times do You see that a person in the committee fires someone than He (Misbah) leaves that position to apply for the coaching position to get even selected that's ridiculous.

If we really want to see Pakistan cricket progressing we need to fire Misbah & Waqar.

Better to lose with a no reputation coach than these unqualified coaches.
 
ritzy_123 said:
We deserved this the day we sacked Mickey Arthur.

Now please don't start this discussion we all know He had his limitations as well but Misbah Waqar combo is a virus which is exactly bringing the same stuff which we used to see when Misbah was captaining the side.

Can somebody ask any other board that they'll offer any coaching position to Misbah Ul Haq who only knows cricket of 90's and nothing else.

Waqar also proved that he was a good bowler but he's not good coach still we're hiring Him.

The Misbah coaching position was also controversial. How many times do You see that a person in the committee fires someone than He (Misbah) leaves that position to apply for the coaching position to get even selected that's ridiculous.

If we really want to see Pakistan cricket progressing we need to fire Misbah & Waqar.

Better to lose with a no reputation coach than these unqualified coaches.
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Misbah is Imran Khan's parchi

Do you even think a person would survive politics and intrigues of Pakistan cricket WITHOUT highest level of backing...

Everyone know he is not qualified ,and then not only produced 0 results but also took th team into 1990's
We were losing so much before that ill fated SA series, that Misbah had to forsake selector position...
 
iniqbal223 said:
Misbah is Imran Khan's parchi

Do you even think a person would survive politics and intrigues of Pakistan cricket WITHOUT highest level of backing...

Everyone know he is not qualified ,and then not only produced 0 results but also took th team into 1990's
We were losing so much before that ill fated SA series, that Misbah had to forsake selector position...
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I don't think so Misbah is Imran Khan's parchi Pakistan has many other political issues Imran doesn't have time to focus on Cricketing Issues at the moment.. When we fired Mickey Arthur (the team which had Misbah as well) and we saw the response we had no other option and It was so obvious that no body would apply for this job and that's how Misbah became coach of Pakistan team
 
ritzy_123 said:
I don't think so Misbah is Imran Khan's parchi Pakistan has many other political issues Imran doesn't have time to focus on Cricketing Issues at the moment.. When we fired Mickey Arthur (the team which had Misbah as well) and we saw the response we had no other option and It was so obvious that no body would apply for this job and that's how Misbah became coach of Pakistan team
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I have been following this fiasco from day 1:

Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani were keen on keeping Inzi-Mickey-Sarfaraz combo for another 1 year (given T20 WC was scheduled in 2020)

But then somewhere they were armtwisted (recieved calls from higher ups) and then, first Inzi resigned, followed by firing of Mickey.. they could no fire Sarfaraz immediately as Misbah could not become captain (else they would have terminated Sarfaraz then as well), so they waited for SL series..
and then entered Azhar Ali

Do you still think, WITHOUT very STRONG backing , Misbah would have survived first taking 3 jobs (batting, head coach and selector), and then bringing his friend Azhar to Test match captaincy (however , record suggests Azhar was big failure as a batsman in entire 2019 season)

Misbah is clear cut Imran Khan parchi..
 
If someone sees the record Misbah has as captain and waqar as coach, and both of them together as captain and coach, and coach and coach, you would identify right away where the problem is.

As soon as Waqar left coaching and Misbah left cpataincy, Pakistan improved, especially in white ball cricket.
Once Misbah is fired (hopefully after this series) and waqar along with him (5th time being fired), we would see better performances.
 
ritzy_123 said:
I don't think so Misbah is Imran Khan's parchi Pakistan has many other political issues Imran doesn't have time to focus on Cricketing Issues at the moment.. When we fired Mickey Arthur (the team which had Misbah as well) and we saw the response we had no other option and It was so obvious that no body would apply for this job and that's how Misbah became coach of Pakistan team
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Imran Khan is Patron of PCB

All these appointments of coaches etc. (at least head coach) can't happen without his basic knowledge / approval

Shows, how IK - Misbah rishtedaari let our cricket down

Misbah (Parchi) Imran Khan
 
Wasim Akram has no intention of coaching Pakistan because even he knows that it will ruin his reputation if he can't succeed. Somehow, we need to convince him, but it seems unlikely that he will accept the offer. Sad, because he is perhaps one of the best bowling coaches going around.

The best coaching staff we can do is the following:

Andy Flower as head coach.

Wasim Akram as bowling coach.

Mohammad Yousuf as batting coach.

Nothing else available to be fair.
 
I bet neither Mani nor IK are aware the England series so far. So 3-0 or 6-0 will not make any difference.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Wasim Akram has no intention of coaching Pakistan because even he knows that it will ruin his reputation if he can't succeed. Somehow, we need to convince him, but it seems unlikely that he will accept the offer. Sad, because he is perhaps one of the best bowling coaches going around.

The best coaching staff we can do is the following:

Andy Flower as head coach.

Wasim Akram as bowling coach.

Mohammad Yousuf as batting coach.

Nothing else available to be fair.
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Totally agree with this. This would be an excellent coaching team.
 
topspin said:
Totally agree with this. This would be an excellent coaching team.
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Say we get that coaching staff, miraculously.

If our performances remain the same (as in, we still demonstrate idiotic inconsistency), what then?

Does that mean our team will just remain as is until we get someone like IK, someone to actually deliver results as captain?
 
Captaincy is obsolete. Pakistan hasn't had a great captain since 1992. That's 30 years ago. What does that suggest? It suggest that developing good captains is very difficult and it's certainly not something we know how to do. We are a society devoid of leaders.

It would be miracle to develop a captain at that level. There needs to be a complete change in the decision-making structure.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Say we get that coaching staff, miraculously.

If our performances remain the same (as in, we still demonstrate idiotic inconsistency), what then?

Does that mean our team will just remain as is until we get someone like IK, someone to actually deliver results as captain?
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I honestly don't think we can be worse than what we've seen from Misbah/Waqar combo. I say this because Mickey's Pakistan were far more proficient with player development (Shaheen and Babar) and in getting the batsmen to deliver results.

You could see in Mickey that this guy cared about Pakistan cricket. Misbah and Waqar don't, they're merely just there for their paychecks.
 
topspin said:
I honestly don't think we can be worse than what we've seen from Misbah/Waqar combo. I say this because Mickey's Pakistan were far more proficient with player development (Shaheen and Babar) and in getting the batsmen to deliver results.

You could see in Mickey that this guy cared about Pakistan cricket. Misbah and Waqar don't, they're merely just there for their paychecks.
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That's true, but I hope Andy Flower and the rest are up to the task.
 
Can someone ring phone to Ehsan Mani / Wasim Khan and ask them whether they even know what's going on ? Do they even know if Pakistan lost this series

Md. Wasim is a kind of fraud... In game on hai , he said he will do this and that
And then did the opposite

At least with Misbah , we knew he is defensive ; and he proves it he is not fit for these roles
 
Faiz1978 said:
Waqar & Misbah both are cancer for team , they are not capable enough , and both are shameless,
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I have been saying this for a while that these two are poor leaders of men and will not succeed due to their approach and eye for talent. They have been proving me right ever since I said this and still goes on.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Say we get that coaching staff, miraculously.

If our performances remain the same (as in, we still demonstrate idiotic inconsistency), what then?

Does that mean our team will just remain as is until we get someone like IK, someone to actually deliver results as captain?
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Performance will not be the same for sure if full authority given to Andy flower just like ECB gave.

Faheem and Shadab cannot go on a run like now

No performance will be no place in the squad strategy that Andy follows.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Performance will not be the same for sure if full authority given to Andy flower just like ECB gave.

Faheem and Shadab cannot go on a run like now

No performance will be no place in the squad strategy that Andy follows.
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Faheem Ashraf has no performances in white-ball cricket which merit him a spot on the team.

However, an in-form Shadab Khan is something worth investing in. He was a brilliant bowler until that Sri Lanka series in 2019.
 
Major said:
BUMP

Does Waqar deserve credit?
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We have 1 reasonably good bowler in Test. Naseem’s development credit goes mainly to Tait and now Morkel.

Naseem didn’t thrive at all under Waqar.
 
Rana said:
We have 1 reasonably good bowler in Test. Naseem’s development credit goes mainly to Tait and now Morkel.

Naseem didn’t thrive at all under Waqar.
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Furthermore to this

Dwayne Bravo deserves a lot of credit for encouraging Naseem in the CPL and finding himself to become a top class white ball bowler
 
Picked a 16 year old Naseem chose Rauf over the woeful Wahab fine tuned Shaheen underrated guy!!
 
Rana said:
We have 1 reasonably good bowler in Test. Naseem’s development credit goes mainly to Tait and now Morkel.

Naseem didn’t thrive at all under Waqar.
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i think it depends on who naseem gives credit to..

Remember, posters here bash waqar all the time, but shaheen gave credit to him for his development, and i think the player himself knows better than any fan around here
 
I tend to think Waqar Younis goes the other way personally.

I don't think the pacers learn much with Waqar.
 
Waqar one of my favourite bowlers was a serial disappointment as a coach

He showed promise in his first stint as bowling coach back in 2006 by turning Umar Gul from a line and length merchant in to a killer.

I thought he’d build on that, but some of his stints were really poor especially the last one. He may have picked Naseem but he nearly killed his career a year or two later. For someone of Waqar’s pace he started giving more importance to this phantom “right areas” nonsense every domestic pak coach keeps talking about (including Azhar Mahmood who I don’t rate either). Naseem turned in to a 135k trundler under Waqar from starting out as a 147k tearaway.

Now far away from Waqar, Naseem bowls with great confidence, sharp pace and a lot more penetration. Naseem’s body language under Waqar became woeful.

I was saying back then that Pakistan will fare better with a foreign bowling coach than a local one cos they appreciate Pakistan’s pace legacy. Our ex bowlers have this endless obsession with “right areas”
 
Major said:
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Does Waqar deserve credit?
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Credit for what?

Shaheen has been hyped since u19 days.

Haris was discovered by Qalandars.

Naseem im not too sure about his origin but he seems to be a better player as a result of playing T20 leagues.

I dont think Waqar did much to develop them at all.
 
Bowlers improve when they put the hard yards in practice and matches and dont get cowed by failure. Mentors, advisers and coaches can help but unless the bowler has some talent, brain cells, and good work ethic he goes nowhere. Only Naseem will know what has helped him to improve.
 
Regrettably during Waqar's tenure, no notable fast bowlers were nurtured. The credit for the significant improvement in our fast bowling unit should go to Shaun Tait who has been doing an excellent job in this regard.
 
I've plenty of respect for Waqar the cricketer and human being. His intentions have always been good but the times he's been appointed to a position requiring any strategic thinking, either as captain or coach, have ended in disaster.

That's why he never landed a coaching job outside Pakistan apart from a brief IPL stint.

It was the Misbah/Waqar duo who debuted Naseem two years too soon, and in Australia of all places against a rampaging David Warner.

After the horror Test tour of NZL in 2021, Naseem was dropped. His pace was down, had no control, and looked a shell of a bowler.

As @Rana mentioned, Naseem's turnaround began on the T20 circuit in competitions such as CPL where Dwayne Bravo skippered him, and worked with professional coaches not glorified PE teachers. He's also had County stints in England. Also Naseem himself comes across as a thinking bowler eager to learn.
 
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