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Ramiz Raja speaking to the press:

“Jab aap dono matches haare hote hai toh do teen cheezein negative hote hai - ek, negative mindset, dusra, jo dressing room environment kharab ho sakti hai. Par abhi tak iss team ne waise hone nehi diya(When you lose two matches in a row, there there are a couple of negative things that can happen - either there could be a negative mindset or there could be a negative environment in the dressing room. But this team has shown neither). So credit to them,”

“Our Test cricket pool is very limited. We want the players to make their debut at home and none of them were bad debuts. We saw how good Saud Shakeel batted. And had they not given that down-the-leg-side-catch out, we would have won the Test. If the last five batters tend to score at least 10-15 runs then we can improve a lot"

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-controversial-dismissal-101671277241990.html

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Ramiz Raja speaking to reporters:

“Ideally we have to take players from five-day cricket to white ball, but what we are doing is taking them from One-days and T20s to the Test,”

“We knew beforehand that England were coming with a different mindset after they selected Liam Livingstone, a T20 specialist in the squad"

“Home series is your best shot to try new players,”
 
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Picking T20 players would be fine if those specialists had a solid foundation with a good track record in FC cricket. Their technique has to meet the requisite level to be worthy of test status.

Ramiz Raja like every other ex-Pakistani player has a poor understanding of cricket.
 
What is Faheem, a T20, ODI or a test specialist , or just a " railu katta " ??
 
Ramiz Raja speaking to the press:

“Jab aap dono matches haare hote hai toh do teen cheezein negative hote hai - ek, negative mindset, dusra, jo dressing room environment kharab ho sakti hai. Par abhi tak iss team ne waise hone nehi diya(When you lose two matches in a row, there there are a couple of negative things that can happen - either there could be a negative mindset or there could be a negative environment in the dressing room. But this team has shown neither). So credit to them,”

“Our Test cricket pool is very limited. We want the players to make their debut at home and none of them were bad debuts. We saw how good Saud Shakeel batted. And had they not given that down-the-leg-side-catch out, we would have won the Test. If the last five batters tend to score at least 10-15 runs then we can improve a lot"

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-controversial-dismissal-101671277241990.html

Want players to debut at home but in last 3 series we have persisted with garbage like Azhar, Fawad and Shan when new batsmen could have been blooded.

Rameez needs to shut up and stop making these statements every so often, everytime he speaks its something even more stupid then his last statement.
 
Why should T20 players be picked when you have just completed a full season of your premier 4 day competition.

Have all the players who played in that tournament fled the country?

Have those guys who performed well in the QeA Trophy suddenly turned their back on Test cricket?

What is the point of the QeA Trophy if you are going to pick T20 players in Test cricket?
 
Why should T20 players be picked when you have just completed a full season of your premier 4 day competition.

Have all the players who played in that tournament fled the country?

Have those guys who performed well in the QeA Trophy suddenly turned their back on Test cricket?

What is the point of the QeA Trophy if you are going to pick T20 players in Test cricket?

Am slightly puzzled with this thinking? In the 3 match test series with England, I would say two players played who what we call T20 players. Mohammed Nawaz & Mohammed Wasim jnr. Shan Masood is more of a test match player than a T20 player.

The problem wasn't that we picked T20 players for the test series. The problem is that we picked inexperienced players like Naseem, Mohammed Ali and Zahid Mahmood for a prominent test series against England while ignoring more experienced players in Hassan Ali, Yasir Shah & Mohammed Abbas.
 
Is Ramiz captain? Is he head coach or chief selector? Wonder what makes him think his input is necessary.

I'm sure even the janitor is trying to give technique tips when he sees players in the hallway.
 
Is Ramiz captain? Is he head coach or chief selector? Wonder what makes him think his input is necessary.

I'm sure even the janitor is trying to give technique tips when he sees players in the hallway.

Because he wants to look good in front of his foreign co commentators and not an embarrassment as a chairman.
 
Ramiz does say something , at times , which he would regret saying later. I guess one of those moments.
 
A drubbing indeed it is a drubbing, thanks to Netherlands of not the reign of Ramiz is more disastrous than Ijaz Butt
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There appears to be a huge difference in out of the box thinking, preparation and planning between the 2 teams in this series.<br><br>It seems to be Qudrat ka Nizam versus Proper Planning<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvENG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1604416043190992896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Inability to select using a rational approach is the issue - the pool is huge!
 
Limited pool?

Ramiz was in agreement to reduce the number of first-class teams wasn't he.

The QeA Trophy should have the best players in the country playing in it. If it doesn't then there is something wrong.
 
Ramiz needs to go. He is a very biased individual who probably feels 90% of the players playing in the domestic circuit are useless by default.
 
Ramiz needs to go. He is a very biased individual who probably feels 90% of the players playing in the domestic circuit are useless by default.

What is the point as long as Babar and Rizwan are in charge of the team in all formats?
 
Rameez says he doesnt get involved in selection, pitches, game plans etc.. yet he seems to voice his opinion on everything. Some please issue mr loud mouth a gagging order. The sooner hes sacked the better.

Players like Kamran Ghulam, Usman Salluddin are sat on fringes while we persisted with Azhar and Shan.

We had key injuries to bowlers, common sense would say bring in experience in Hasan Ali or Abbas, as they know these conditions.

Id rather lose with a side rebuilding its batting line up then losing with same TTFs.
 
Rameez says he doesnt get involved in selection, pitches, game plans etc.. yet he seems to voice his opinion on everything. Some please issue mr loud mouth a gagging order. The sooner hes sacked the better.

Players like Kamran Ghulam, Usman Salluddin are sat on fringes while we persisted with Azhar and Shan.

We had key injuries to bowlers, common sense would say bring in experience in Hasan Ali or Abbas, as they know these conditions.

Id rather lose with a side rebuilding its batting line up then losing with same TTFs.

Well, you can’t have the cake and eat it too. Hassan Ali and Abbas were also dropped on form. Team management dropping them isn’t seen as “rebuilding” the side with 5 debuts in this series in the bowling department?
Hassan Ali and Abbas have been atrocious through their last 5-7 tests and performed even more badly than Azhar Ali. At least Azhar Ali and Shan were banging on the door with great performances in domestics, but Hassan Ali was getting hammered by domestic players this season averaging 45. And your idea about rebuilding side is to bring in 40 year old Abbas.

Kamran Ghulam did not have a strong season and the only guy unlucky to miss out was Usman Salahuddin, but he is next in line and he likely will be selected now that Azhar Ali is walking away.

In the bowling department, one can make a case for Mir Hamza but apparently he was injured and didn’t even play the QEA final. Sameen Gul is experienced but he too was outperformed by Muhammad Ali this season.
Who are these fast bowlers you’re taking about in FC??? The feeder system to the FC needs to be looked at. Also, the lack of participation of fast bowlers in FC like Amir, Dahani, Hasnain, Wasim Jr, Rauf, Naseem, and many others who prefer PSL

Unfortunately, what’s playing is the best available squad barring maybe 1-2 guys. It’s easy to criticize and much harder to offer up solutions.

Pakistan’s problem this series was not the squad, which was decent given the resources available. The problem was playing 11, planning, prep, and tactics.

They could have been easily 2/0 with this same squad, which as I said, isn’t as bad as you’re making it sound like.
 
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You would be forgiven to think that this was a statement made by the chairman of Namibia or Kenya if you did not know it was Ramiz.

We are talking about Pakistan here - historically and even currently one of the very few elite teams to be playing all the 3 formats with a proud history to boot.

In sub-continent countries where cricket rules the roost - with huge populations (yes I get the per capita income argument) but still most of these countries have cricket as their numero uno sport. To say we have a "limited" pool to choose from is a bit shameless really.
 
Well, you can’t have the cake and eat it too. Hassan Ali and Abbas were also dropped on form. Team management dropping them isn’t seen as “rebuilding” the side with 5 debuts in this series in the bowling department?
Hassan Ali and Abbas have been atrocious through their last 5-7 tests and performed even more badly than Azhar Ali. At least Azhar Ali and Shan were banging on the door with great performances in domestics, but Hassan Ali was getting hammered by domestic players this season averaging 45. And your idea about rebuilding side is to bring in 40 year old Abbas.

Kamran Ghulam did not have a strong season and the only guy unlucky to miss out was Usman Salahuddin, but he is next in line and he likely will be selected now that Azhar Ali is walking away.

In the bowling department, one can make a case for Mir Hamza but apparently he was injured and didn’t even play the QEA final. Sameen Gul is experienced but he too was outperformed by Muhammad Ali this season.
Who are these fast bowlers you’re taking about in FC??? The feeder system to the FC needs to be looked at. Also, the lack of participation of fast bowlers in FC like Amir, Dahani, Hasnain, Wasim Jr, Rauf, Naseem, and many others who prefer PSL

Unfortunately, what’s playing is the best available squad barring maybe 1-2 guys. It’s easy to criticize and much harder to offer up solutions.

Pakistan’s problem this series was not the squad, which was decent given the resources available. The problem was playing 11, planning, prep, and tactics.

They could have been easily 2/0 with this same squad, which as I said, isn’t as bad as you’re making it sound like.


Did you even read what i wrote wrote about the "batting line up being rebuilt". We have had a WTC cycle where apart from WI we had all our games in Asian conditions. We should have dumped Azhar and Fawad before the Aussies series and given Ghulam and Saud Shakeel 8 or 9 tests in Asian conditions to slot into the teams middle order. I cudnt care less if Ghulam has a dip in form domestically, the whole point of building a test sqaud is you identify a group of future players and blood them into the side, you dont just chop and change the players in sqaud due to flavour of the month every series.

Azhar and Fawad were useless in Aus and SL series and we could have blooded both batsmen. Shan masood has been picked again and again, he fails go back to domestics scores a few runs gets selected again and then fails again. Mo Wasim asks Salluddin to open, hes scores loads of runs then doesnt pick the guy, its just plain dumb.

In regards to Hasan and Abbas, under normal circumstances i would not have picked them for this series vs England, however as soon as Shaheen was injured we were in need of atleast 1 exeperienced pacer in the squad, in pakistan conditions if you are going to play 2 or 3 spinners and only 2 seamers then pick bowlers that can do damage with new ball and also reverse swing, Hasan even though he has been poor is still miles better then the garbage seamers picked for this series. It use to be the same in UAE, Misbah would pick 2 spinners and 2 pacers (Gul, Wahab etc...) these type of bowlers used with new ball and then brought back for reverse swing.

Naseem is the only other bowler who could be used in a similar way. In stead we picked a load of T20 bowlers and a domestic trunder who in tests conditions were never going to do damage with new or old ball. Have a look at how england used Anderson, wood and Robinson, these bowlers were given new ball and the reversing ball to do the damage, we havent done that.

Finally no it could not have been easily 2-0 the other way, lets be real we were outplayed for the entire 1st test and its only englands sporting declaration that made it look like a competitive game and once Babar / Abduallah were out it was game done.

Also the 2nd test again Englands out played pakistan and then margin of defeat wasnt a reflection of the difference between the 2 sides as pakistan were never going to chase that total down.

Pakistan picked a poor unbalanced sqaud, to many passengers, mediocre captain, clueless coach as well. Pakistan performances this year have been that of a minnow, all because of poor sqaud selections, dumb captain, coach and negative mindset.
 
You would be forgiven to think that this was a statement made by the chairman of Namibia or Kenya if you did not know it was Ramiz.

We are talking about Pakistan here - historically and even currently one of the very few elite teams to be playing all the 3 formats with a proud history to boot.

In sub-continent countries where cricket rules the roost - with huge populations (yes I get the per capita income argument) but still most of these countries have cricket as their numero uno sport. To say we have a "limited" pool to choose from is a bit shameless really.

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How come Pakistan with such a huge population, who loves cricket, can have limited talent pool? Yes, you can mismanage, but talent pool should be there.
 
You would be forgiven to think that this was a statement made by the chairman of Namibia or Kenya if you did not know it was Ramiz.

We are talking about Pakistan here - historically and even currently one of the very few elite teams to be playing all the 3 formats with a proud history to boot.

In sub-continent countries where cricket rules the roost - with huge populations (yes I get the per capita income argument) but still most of these countries have cricket as their numero uno sport. To say we have a "limited" pool to choose from is a bit shameless really.

Population is a very poor indicator as nearly half live below the poverty line and a significant chunk is fighting for daily survival.

How many people take up cricket professionally or join a club is a better indicator. How many good clubs does Pakistan have vs England? How lucrative is a domestic career to sustain without an international contract? These are the questions we should be asking.
For every member joining a club, what % is PCB able to convert into a competitive player in FC? These are the metric they should track.

As with most other things, more advanced countries are converting their talent into finished product more consistently. This is likely due to better coaching, facilities and financial opportunities.
 
The domestic first class season just ended and some pretty good performers where seen.

Is he really trying to push forward this agenda that there are no other options.

Stupidity at its finest.
 
Population is a very poor indicator as nearly half live below the poverty line and a significant chunk is fighting for daily survival.

How many people take up cricket professionally or join a club is a better indicator. How many good clubs does Pakistan have vs England? How lucrative is a domestic career to sustain without an international contract? These are the questions we should be asking.
For every member joining a club, what % is PCB able to convert into a competitive player in FC? These are the metric they should track.

As with most other things, more advanced countries are converting their talent into finished product more consistently. This is likely due to better coaching, facilities and financial opportunities.

Well, then blame should be on PCB for failing to do so. Talent pool should be big enough in Pakistan. If talent pool is not nurtured in a way by providing good system then system manager is at fault.
 
Well, then blame should be on PCB for failing to do so. Talent pool should be big enough in Pakistan. If talent pool is not nurtured in a way by providing good system then system manager is at fault.

I agree that it’s PCB’s fault. I am just helping define what we mean by talent pool.
Talent pool is not the population nor does it include every gully mohalla cricketer. Talent pool comprises of an individual who joins a quality club with the goal to represent Pakistan.
My guess is that number is comparable to SENA as we likely don’t have that many quality clubs in Pakistan. This is a guess and ide love to be corrected.
 
People in the PCB apparently will not be unhappy at the change of guard in the PCB, they are sick and tired of Ramiz dictatorship, I know best, I am the boss and I make the decisions style of leadership.
 
Did you even read what i wrote wrote about the "batting line up being rebuilt". We have had a WTC cycle where apart from WI we had all our games in Asian conditions. We should have dumped Azhar and Fawad before the Aussies series and given Ghulam and Saud Shakeel 8 or 9 tests in Asian conditions to slot into the teams middle order. I cudnt care less if Ghulam has a dip in form domestically, the whole point of building a test sqaud is you identify a group of future players and blood them into the side, you dont just chop and change the players in sqaud due to flavour of the month every series.

Azhar and Fawad were useless in Aus and SL series and we could have blooded both batsmen. Shan masood has been picked again and again, he fails go back to domestics scores a few runs gets selected again and then fails again. Mo Wasim asks Salluddin to open, hes scores loads of runs then doesnt pick the guy, its just plain dumb.

In regards to Hasan and Abbas, under normal circumstances i would not have picked them for this series vs England, however as soon as Shaheen was injured we were in need of atleast 1 exeperienced pacer in the squad, in pakistan conditions if you are going to play 2 or 3 spinners and only 2 seamers then pick bowlers that can do damage with new ball and also reverse swing, Hasan even though he has been poor is still miles better then the garbage seamers picked for this series. It use to be the same in UAE, Misbah would pick 2 spinners and 2 pacers (Gul, Wahab etc...) these type of bowlers used with new ball and then brought back for reverse swing.

Naseem is the only other bowler who could be used in a similar way. In stead we picked a load of T20 bowlers and a domestic trunder who in tests conditions were never going to do damage with new or old ball. Have a look at how england used Anderson, wood and Robinson, these bowlers were given new ball and the reversing ball to do the damage, we havent done that.

Finally no it could not have been easily 2-0 the other way, lets be real we were outplayed for the entire 1st test and its only englands sporting declaration that made it look like a competitive game and once Babar / Abduallah were out it was game done.

Also the 2nd test again Englands out played pakistan and then margin of defeat wasnt a reflection of the difference between the 2 sides as pakistan were never going to chase that total down.

Pakistan picked a poor unbalanced sqaud, to many passengers, mediocre captain, clueless coach as well. Pakistan performances this year have been that of a minnow, all because of poor sqaud selections, dumb captain, coach and negative mindset.

First, you are speaking from the benefit of hindsight. Let’s take this one by one.

Rebuilding - I hate this word. We should never be rebuilding. We should be evolving. A good test team has a mix of experience and youth.

Fawad Alam - he scored 5 centuries last year. He was not droppable before he failed vs Aus and SL. You’re speaking with the benefit of hindsight. Fawad was dropped after this season, which made sense. TM doesn’t have crystal balls.

Kamran Ghulam - current forum does matter. The players who were selected did better than him including Abdullah, Agha and Saud. Babar and rizwan were gonna be selected anyway. So there was no slot available for him. They can’t pick 13 middle order batsmen.

Azhar Ali - he averaged 42 in last 3 years at the no3 spot. A stat was shown on TV that he actually has been one of the best in the world during this period at that spot. Azhar Ali is leaving at the right time, he could not have been dropped any sooner as Pakistan already had several other issues in batting, specially with struggling openers.

Shan Masood - there are several examples of players making comebacks and finding their feet at the end of their careers. Misbah made a come back around the same age. Shan Masood is a technically sound batsman and he brings a lot of experience and I’d take him over a total newbie in test cricket any day of the week. 33 is nominal age in test cricket.

Usman Salahuddin - I agree he was hard done but he is very likely next in line. He didn’t open in FC this year, just FYI he played 1 down.

Hassan Ali/Seamers - you’re speaking in hindsight. Hassan Ali was dross and totally shot internationally and regressed further in domestic. Did you watch him bowl?
Also your reverse logic doesn’t apply to Abbas and am not sure how the likes of Crawley and Duckett and Brook would have treated Abbas on these highways.

Muhammad Ali was duly rewarded but he didn’t do well, and that can happen, but he was the best bowler in FC flat wickets in the last 2 seasons. Not all debutants will do well and that’s part and parcel of this game. Again, no one has crystal balls.

What really happened is that Pak was dented badly due to injuries to Naseem, Rauf and Shaheen who can all reverse. They have the pace and have shown ability to reverse. They were injured in fielding not due to bowling as many here are making it sound like. That is not the fault of TM not managing workload. How are these guys supposed to play FC if they are on tour? They can’t be in 2 places at once. They will have to be dropped from LOI during FC season then, and can we afford that?
I don’t think they expected to play Wasim Junior but so many injuries in the camp forced this choice.

Of course, Anderson/Robinson/Wood are their first choice. If they were all injured, we would not be having this discussion.

Both tests were competitive and went down to the wire despite Pakistan missing its first choice bowling attack. England has also played poorly at times. Let’s be fair.

Again. I am not defending this team management but criticism should be constructive.
The only part I agree with is negative captaincy and coach, selection of Zahid Mehmood over Abrar in first test, too many allrounders in playing 11. Lack of planning and overall negative tactics.
 
the first class season is too short, they play in a limited window with conditions that rarely vary, everyone plays it safe and you get tonnes of draws, and with no promotion or relegation, there is no sanction or punishment for failure.

you need a longer season, either 15 4 day games, or 10 5 day games per team, the games need to be spread out over a longer period to include varying conditions, and there should be some punishment for the weakest teams, i.e. loss of contracts for senior players, etc, or promotion-relegation to a second non-first class division of six other regions.

the six team concept is not bad, but the current execution leaves a lot to be desired, the system is simply not competitive enough, either u win or u dont, no one really cares if u are second or sixth.
 
When he was in charge, he hyped up everything.

When he is on his way out, he is belittling everything.

Basically, he just wants to make himself look good.
 
Just the other day he was saying he told Babar to pick T20 players for test matches after England racked up 500 on Day 1. What a buffoon.
 
The coach needs to be foreign this team is awful under domestic coaches. They start focusing on other things like preaching and qudrat ka nizam rather than hard thinking and execution.
 
Well, you can’t have the cake and eat it too. Hassan Ali and Abbas were also dropped on form. Team management dropping them isn’t seen as “rebuilding” the side with 5 debuts in this series in the bowling department?
Hassan Ali and Abbas have been atrocious through their last 5-7 tests and performed even more badly than Azhar Ali. At least Azhar Ali and Shan were banging on the door with great performances in domestics, but Hassan Ali was getting hammered by domestic players this season averaging 45. And your idea about rebuilding side is to bring in 40 year old Abbas.

Kamran Ghulam did not have a strong season and the only guy unlucky to miss out was Usman Salahuddin, but he is next in line and he likely will be selected now that Azhar Ali is walking away.

In the bowling department, one can make a case for Mir Hamza but apparently he was injured and didn’t even play the QEA final. Sameen Gul is experienced but he too was outperformed by Muhammad Ali this season.
Who are these fast bowlers you’re taking about in FC??? The feeder system to the FC needs to be looked at. Also, the lack of participation of fast bowlers in FC like Amir, Dahani, Hasnain, Wasim Jr, Rauf, Naseem, and many others who prefer PSL

Unfortunately, what’s playing is the best available squad barring maybe 1-2 guys. It’s easy to criticize and much harder to offer up solutions.

Pakistan’s problem this series was not the squad, which was decent given the resources available. The problem was playing 11, planning, prep, and tactics.

They could have been easily 2/0 with this same squad, which as I said, isn’t as bad as you’re making it sound like.

Good post. Although ENG are a better team in all departments - the margins of defeats being only 74 and 26 runs suggests the gap could've been bridged with better starting XIs, tactics and game awareness.

This is where Ramiz is totally to blame. He's handed full authority to an inept captain in Babar, and surrounded him with yes men coaching staff with scant international coaching experience.
 
When he was in charge, he hyped up everything.

When he is on his way out, he is belittling everything.

Basically, he just wants to make himself look good.

Exactly ! Believe me as soon as he returns to the commentary box or relaunches his YouTube career he'll be back to spitting venom.

These media loudmouths are great for making populist, crowd pleasing statements but give them positions of power and they're totally exposed.

That's why I've real respect for Rob Key. He didn't just talk the talk but has actually delivered.
 
That's why I've real respect for Rob Key. He didn't just talk the talk but has actually delivered.

Also on Rob Key he was not a hypercritical or emotionally reactive pundit who was constantly gloomy about England’s chances; and however they had approached a session, he would not find everything wrong with it and talk like they should have done basically the opposite because clearly that’s what he would have done if he was batting or was the captain. See the likes of Nick Knight, Mark Butcher, etc for proponents of such doom-mongery.
 
Pakistan with a 250 million strong population is the second largest cricket following country but it has a smaller pool that Australia and England ? :13:
 
the first class season is too short, they play in a limited window with conditions that rarely vary, everyone plays it safe and you get tonnes of draws, and with no promotion or relegation, there is no sanction or punishment for failure.

you need a longer season, either 15 4 day games, or 10 5 day games per team, the games need to be spread out over a longer period to include varying conditions, and there should be some punishment for the weakest teams, i.e. loss of contracts for senior players, etc, or promotion-relegation to a second non-first class division of six other regions.

the six team concept is not bad, but the current execution leaves a lot to be desired, the system is simply not competitive enough, either u win or u dont, no one really cares if u are second or sixth.

I think rather than having the teams regional based, they should be city based as people in Pakistan follow cities more than regions. Also I think we need atleast 10-12 teams to have a bigger first class season
 
Pool isnt limited. The selection is poor, mindset towards cricket is poor, tactically we are poor despite being at home. I think we could have very easily selected a much better team than this. Adding Asad Shafiq and Fawad Alam would have really strengthened the batting. On these pitches they would have been fine. I am all for picking youngsters like Saud Shakeel and Agha Salman but not in this format ahead of guys who are vastly more experienced.

Babar is a poor captain who just sticks to a script. He is literally the definition of captain is as good as his players as he lacks any out of the box thinking. It can work in shorter formats but in tests you need a captain who can put his mind and be innovative.
 
He should be answering the question that why has the pool shrunk. Rather than giving these analysis.
 
the first class season is too short, they play in a limited window with conditions that rarely vary, everyone plays it safe and you get tonnes of draws, and with no promotion or relegation, there is no sanction or punishment for failure.

you need a longer season, either 15 4 day games, or 10 5 day games per team, the games need to be spread out over a longer period to include varying conditions, and there should be some punishment for the weakest teams, i.e. loss of contracts for senior players, etc, or promotion-relegation to a second non-first class division of six other regions.

the six team concept is not bad, but the current execution leaves a lot to be desired, the system is simply not competitive enough, either u win or u dont, no one really cares if u are second or sixth.

This Good post

Im surprised by how short the fc season is I mean how are you gonna produce tesr cricketers when the season is literally confined to a few weeks and a handful of fc games are played

Wheres the competitiveness, relegation promotion Our national players dont play the format There should be no national cricket during this window You have a terrible situation that the likes of babar and shaheen and co hardly play domestic fc cricket because they are busy touring

Pakistan ideally needs to play the two division system with relegation and promotion so theres consequences of failure and ensure theres enough games (15 games or so) over varied different conditions so players get use to this

The way the format is run is very very poor at the moment and isnt producing cricketers like it should
 
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This Good post

Im surprised by how short the fc season is I mean how are you gonna produce tesr cricketers when the season is literally confined to a few weeks and a handful of fc games are played

Wheres the competitiveness, relegation promotion Our national players dont play the format There should be no national cricket during this window You have a terrible situation that the likes of babar and shaheen and co hardly play domestic fc cricket because they are busy touring

Pakistan ideally needs to play the two division system with relegation and promotion so theres consequences of failure and ensure theres enough games (15 games or so) over varied different conditions so players get use to this

The way the format is run is very very poor at the moment and isnt producing cricketers like it should

Play a 2 division system with 6 teams :)))
 
Everyone knows Pakistan has zero talent. In fact, historically, Pakistan has always been the least talented cricket nation.

However, there needs to be a consistent selection process & some methodology. You must build your Test side by rewarding seasoned FC performers.

They will have a better chance of performing in Test cricket than some overhyped youngster who has no proper long format experience & is not mentally & physically ready to play this format.
 
When he was in charge, he hyped up everything.

When he is on his way out, he is belittling everything.

Basically, he just wants to make himself look good.

Exactly!

One day he says 'we have the potential to conquer.....' then the next day post match ' we have lots of issues with.....', Ramiz rarely gauges the words that come out of his mouth.

The groundsmen of Pakistan will be thankful to Mccullum and Stokes, it's their positive approach that guaranteed results in all three tests. Had they been draws, Ramiz be like, 'We have the talent but not the pitches!'

Finally, Liam Livingston played a lot of county before adapting his game for T20s, ie. England have plenty of test cricketers who are multi format players. Plus they are much fitter.

Ramiz next brain fade will be asking 4 over specialists to play the 5 day game.
 
However, there needs to be a consistent selection process & some methodology. You must build your Test side by rewarding seasoned FC performers.

They will have a better chance of performing in Test cricket than some overhyped youngster who has no proper long format experience & is not mentally & physically ready to play this format.

This.

The pool wasnt as limited that Faheem had to play two test matches as 2nd seamer (Cant be imagined even in wild dreams). There were much better pacers for 2nd pacer's role then atleast Faheem in Pakistan domestic circuit and this can be concluded on both subjective and objective level.
 
There is no talent left in pakian check the stats from the recent qea trophy Abdullah shafique, and saud shakil are our best batsmens then we have the likes of umar amin, asad shafique, and fawad alam

I blame misbah for this mess he made cricket so boring that no one has any Interest left
Secondly there was no rotation since misbah joined in 2010 he stuck with the same failures
 
So according to Ramiz, are Fahim and Wasim are the best bowlers after Nasim, Rauf and Shaheen? Pathetic attitude. We don't have that much talent but our selection procedures are also too biased.
 
When you don't have a big talent pool then why not stick with the experienced lot and phase them out gradually rather than a hodge podge selections like three debut in one game
 
It's not about size. It's about quality of first XI and thd bench strength etc. Pakistan don't have that is what Rambo is saying. Tbh, he's not wrong.
 
Everyone knows Pakistan has zero talent. In fact, historically, Pakistan has always been the least talented cricket nation.

However, there needs to be a consistent selection process & some methodology. You must build your Test side by rewarding seasoned FC performers.

They will have a better chance of performing in Test cricket than some overhyped youngster who has no proper long format experience & is not mentally & physically ready to play this format.

Fawad Alam would have made a great test career had he been picked in his prime. Pakistani selectors over the years alway ignored their best consistent performers of domestic cricket, both in batting and in bowling
 
One major problem is we pick players when they are either too raw or past their best.

We rarely get the best out of players and pick them when they are at their best and at the peak of their careers.

For this, the blame has to lie squarely with the selectors.
 
Am slightly puzzled with this thinking? In the 3 match test series with England, I would say two players played who what we call T20 players. Mohammed Nawaz & Mohammed Wasim jnr. Shan Masood is more of a test match player than a T20 player.

The problem wasn't that we picked T20 players for the test series. The problem is that we picked inexperienced players like Naseem, Mohammed Ali and Zahid Mahmood for a prominent test series against England while ignoring more experienced players in Hassan Ali, Yasir Shah & Mohammed Abbas.

They picked players who have little or no experience in Wasim Jnr and Rauf they also picked Zahid who Is 30 pluss their needs to be better balance in terms of selecting players taking in consideration age, and domestic stats.
 
One major problem is we pick players when they are either too raw or past their best.

We rarely get the best out of players and pick them when they are at their best and at the peak of their careers.

For this, the blame has to lie squarely with the selectors.

Exactly they needs to be better balance.
 
Like posters said Pakistan isnt that bad in talent that our only option is the likes of faheem ashraf opening the bowling and a 34 yr old zahid mehmood with a fc avge in his late 30s being our premier spinner

Its not the talent but the selections that are the issue
 
Some of the selections were so ridiculous that it was hard to comprehend what they were trying to achieve,

Really poor thinking - it will be interesting to know who actually made some of the pathetic selections that backfired.
 
Some of the selections were so ridiculous that it was hard to comprehend what they were trying to achieve,

Really poor thinking - it will be interesting to know who actually made some of the pathetic selections that backfired.

Sounds like you or MIG should reach out to Mo wasim, interview him and ask him these tough questions.
 
Mo wasim has zero eye for talent and also his selection policies are just comical from day 1

Go back to previous selections he picked imran Butt as an opener based on one good domestic season, other then that he had be mediocre. other selections since have been similar, selections based on flavour of month and no real substance. Seems like no one is actually watching these players or actually looking at key components of their game to see if they are good enough. Similar selections now with mediocre players like zahid manhood, Agha salman etc.. where you can tell watching these guys domestically they ain't going to be good enough to make step up. Keeping Azhar in side because he score tons of runs domestically on roads, yet was ever looked to see if he improved on his game from his test failures. Clueless selector who seems to have no clue on how to selected a balance test squad.
 
Who would make a good chairman of selectors to replace Mr PowerPoint?

Inzy I don't think will want that job again. Bazid Khan? But does he talk a good game from the commentary box or does he actually know the domestic set up well?
 
Who would make a good chairman of selectors to replace Mr PowerPoint?

Inzy I don't think will want that job again. Bazid Khan? But does he talk a good game from the commentary box or does he actually know the domestic set up well?

Let the captain & the coach select the squad. There should be a selection panel of 2-3 people max & the captain & coach should also be on the panel in addition to those 2-3 people.

There should be no chief selector. That role should be played by the coach & the captain. Let them take ownership of who should be in the team.
 
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