“Workload is not the reason why Mohammad Amir left Test cricket" : Waqar Younis

[Manunited18]

Lol Pak fans waste so much energy on this average Cricketer. Amirs body, Amirs mood, Amirs confidence, Amir this, Amir that. One would think Mohammed Amir is some ATG of the sport.... Even Kohli doesn't get so much attention in India.

Got to agree with a Indian for once .

 

[PakPremi]

That’s fine but then at least pick someone who is better to watch. You can’t pick the likes of Musa and Rauf and then claim that he is not needed anymore.

Rauf is actually very exciting to watch and has also delivered often. Musa has been selected too early so he may or may not develop into a useful bowler, but does have potential.

 

[Ucdkee]

If its the retaliation from Waqar and Misbah for Amir not playing test cricket, why is Wahab Riaz not dropped from the limited overs squad? His attitude currently is his biggest enemy. When you are dropped, you dont criticise the management, rather try to answer back with your performances.

Amir has not performed at the international level for a while which he himself is not ready to accept. Comparing his performances with the new lot is simply ridiculous. With the amount of experience and number of matches under his belt he was supposed to be the leader of the pack and should have been outperforming all the youngsters. Sadly himself and a lot of posters here are comparing his performances to all the new kids and justifying why he should be in the team on marginally being better than most of new 19-20 yr old bowlers who havent even played more matches combined than him.

 

[shaz619]

It’s a shame, Amir could have learned a few things from Waqar and improved on his performances in ICC tournaments, in particular games against India

 

[Rajdeep]

Bitter truth is - PCT needs Amir more Amir needs Pak cricket. He can easily get settled in UK, play leagues all around the world (including IPL) and earn in millions. But Pak cricket would find it tough to replace a talent like him.

 

[PakPremi]

There are many good bowlers in domestic cricket for limited over cricket, and I am not even talking about the ones that have already been selected. Given opportunity we can discover some gem that is more committed.

 

[Firebat]

We have to invest more in younger bowlers who still have the hunger and desire to play all formats and run in every single ball. Talent can only take you so far. Will take some short term pain (as we saw with our bowling attack in Australia and England) but we have to accept this.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

It’s a shame, Amir could have learned a few things from Waqar .....

Goodness me.

 

[Hyperion66]

It’s a shame, Amir could have learned a few things from Waqar and improved on his performances in ICC tournaments, in particular games against India

Probably a rare occasion where your sarcasm didn't really take off Shaz Ji. TBH a few bad games against India didn't really tarnish his legacy, while Amir would be remembered mostly for non-cricketing reasons aside from that spell against India.

 

[Local.Dada]

Probably a rare occasion where your sarcasm didn't really take off Shaz Ji. TBH a few bad games against India didn't really tarnish his legacy, while Amir would be remembered mostly for non-cricketing reasons aside from that spell against India.

Amazes me how Pakistan a country that has a rich legacy of fast bowlers and prides itself on having a factory of bowlers gets hung up on Amir a guy who has fixed international games. I have no problem in him getting a 2nd chance but still I don’t get the fascination. Is it because of the CT spell?

Let’s take the example of Sreeshanth, how was he any less talented than Amir? He won India not 1 but 2 tests in SA which not a lot of Pak ATG’s have managed. He was part of 2 WC winning teams. In fact in WT20 2007, he played a big role in the semis against an ATG Aussie line up also took the iconic catch of that scoop shot.

However Indian cricket will not even take a 2nd look at Sreeshanth, in fact Joginder Sharma is now out of the limelight doing his own thing. We moved on from Nehra and Munaf Patel who have a bigger body of work than Amir.

So May be Pakistan fans need to ask themselves the question, is there a fast bowling factory really available or is Amir really that great

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It’s a shame, Amir could have learned a few things from Waqar and improved on his performances in ICC tournaments, in particular games against India

Not sure why Shazzy is all sarcy about Viki bhai

 

[JaDed]

Have to say I have stayed long enough on the forum to see how fortunes of a player and comments towards him changes.

 

[Hyperion66]

Amazes me how Pakistan a country that has a rich legacy of fast bowlers and prides itself on having a factory of bowlers gets hung up on Amir a guy who has fixed international games. I have no problem in him getting a 2nd chance but still I don’t get the fascination. Is it because of the CT spell?

Let’s take the example of Sreeshanth, how was he any less talented than Amir? He won India not 1 but 2 tests in SA which not a lot of Pak ATG’s have managed. He was part of 2 WC winning teams. In fact in WT20 2007, he played a big role in the semis against an ATG Aussie line up also took the iconic catch of that scoop shot.

However Indian cricket will not even take a 2nd look at Sreeshanth, in fact Joginder Sharma is now out of the limelight doing his own thing. We moved on from Nehra and Munaf Patel who have a bigger body of work than Amir.

So May be Pakistan fans need to ask themselves the question, is there a fast bowling factory really available or is Amir really that great

Couldn't agree more, they take once in a blue Moon type performance to laughable heights. "Amir only performs when the stakes are high", "He is demotivated bowling in Jamodis", He won two ICC trophies" I mean like WTH!!

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Couldn't agree more, they take once in a blue Moon type performance to laughable heights. "Amir only performs when the stakes are high", "He is demotivated bowling in Jamodis", He won two ICC trophies" I mean like WTH!!

Trust me, it's very annoying even as a pakistan fan myself. Amir is a mediocre bowler. Yes he did good in some ICC trophies. But consistency is important, and especially in Tests, he is utterly mediocre and nothing special. Have no idea why a lot of our fans think he's mediocre.

 

[Hyperion66]

Amazes me how Pakistan a country that has a rich legacy of fast bowlers and prides itself on having a factory of bowlers gets hung up on Amir a guy who has fixed international games. I have no problem in him getting a 2nd chance but still I don’t get the fascination. Is it because of the CT spell?

Let’s take the example of Sreeshanth, how was he any less talented than Amir? He won India not 1 but 2 tests in SA which not a lot of Pak ATG’s have managed. He was part of 2 WC winning teams. In fact in WT20 2007, he played a big role in the semis against an ATG Aussie line up also took the iconic catch of that scoop shot.

However Indian cricket will not even take a 2nd look at Sreeshanth, in fact Joginder Sharma is now out of the limelight doing his own thing. We moved on from Nehra and Munaf Patel who have a bigger body of work than Amir.

So May be Pakistan fans need to ask themselves the question, is there a fast bowling factory really available or is Amir really that great

Also Zaheer Khan has 44 WC wickets in 23 matches. Was Instrumental in us reaching in 2003 finals and and winning the cup in 2011. Didn't get half the hype in his entire career what Amir got in last 3-4 years.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Trust me, it's very annoying even as a pakistan fan myself. Amir is a mediocre bowler. Yes he did good in some ICC trophies. But consistency is important, and especially in Tests, he is utterly mediocre and nothing special. Have no idea why a lot of our fans think he's mediocre.

Think he's a legend *

 

[Hyperion66]

Trust me, it's very annoying even as a pakistan fan myself. Amir is a mediocre bowler. Yes he did good in some ICC trophies. But consistency is important, and especially in Tests, he is utterly mediocre and nothing special. Have no idea why a lot of our fans think he's mediocre.

As I said in earlier, the amount of adulation and support he received from PCB and Pak fans is unprecedented for someone with such little actual performances to show for. Pak could have built a squad of decent young fast bowlers had they spent the same amount of time, energy and money on young guns.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Amazes me how Pakistan a country that has a rich legacy of fast bowlers and prides itself on having a factory of bowlers gets hung up on Amir a guy who has fixed international games. I have no problem in him getting a 2nd chance but still I don’t get the fascination. Is it because of the CT spell?

Let’s take the example of Sreeshanth, how was he any less talented than Amir? He won India not 1 but 2 tests in SA which not a lot of Pak ATG’s have managed. He was part of 2 WC winning teams. In fact in WT20 2007, he played a big role in the semis against an ATG Aussie line up also took the iconic catch of that scoop shot.

However Indian cricket will not even take a 2nd look at Sreeshanth, in fact Joginder Sharma is now out of the limelight doing his own thing. We moved on from Nehra and Munaf Patel who have a bigger body of work than Amir.

So May be Pakistan fans need to ask themselves the question, is there a fast bowling factory really available or is Amir really that great

The young Pakistan fans have not seen their greats hence the hypes comes from them. Amir has been one of the better Pak pacers among those who debuted in this century. Senior fans would not rate Amir as they watched some legends representing their side.

 

[hitthestump]

Let’s take the example of Sreeshanth, how was he any less talented than Amir?

I get your point but we do need to calm down a bit here. I don't think you'll find much support for this claim anywhere around the world.

 

[Local.Dada]

I get your point but we do need to calm down a bit here. I don't think you'll find much support for this claim anywhere around the world.

Not really. Sreeshanth was a talented bowler, bit erratic and temperamental but he has won India overseas tests, played important role in WT20, has some other fine spells as well. Has 2 4 wicket hauls and 1 5 wicket hauls in ODis as well, while Amir has 1 each. Of course I might pick Amir ahead in LOI’s but in tests they are equal, with Sreeshanth ahead in fact. Not as outrageous as it seems. If you compare the good they have provided vs bad, there might be a stronger case for that point. You probably listen to too many Pakistani experts or some English folk who still have the image of a 19 year old Amir getting banned, so adds to that mystique but if you watch enough cricket you can tell.

 

[Saj]

I guess Waqar is trying to say that by playing in all of these T20 leagues around the world, Amir is not actually reducing his workload or his chances of getting injured.

Fair point I suppose.

 

[Varun]

Amazes me how Pakistan a country that has a rich legacy of fast bowlers and prides itself on having a factory of bowlers gets hung up on Amir a guy who has fixed international games. I have no problem in him getting a 2nd chance but still I don’t get the fascination. Is it because of the CT spell?

Let’s take the example of Sreeshanth, how was he any less talented than Amir? He won India not 1 but 2 tests in SA which not a lot of Pak ATG’s have managed. He was part of 2 WC winning teams. In fact in WT20 2007, he played a big role in the semis against an ATG Aussie line up also took the iconic catch of that scoop shot.

However Indian cricket will not even take a 2nd look at Sreeshanth, in fact Joginder Sharma is now out of the limelight doing his own thing. We moved on from Nehra and Munaf Patel who have a bigger body of work than Amir.

So May be Pakistan fans need to ask themselves the question, is there a fast bowling factory really available or is Amir really that great

Last Pakistani fast bowler to play 50 tests = Waqar Younis, debut 1989.

Last Pakistani fast bowler to take 200 wickets = Waqar Younis, debut 1989.

They've been milking W and W to pump up their so called fast bowling legacy for decades.

 

[Savak]

I guess Waqar is trying to say that by playing in all of these T20 leagues around the world, Amir is not actually reducing his workload or his chances of getting injured.

Fair point I suppose.

The intensity and pressure of these T-20 leagues can be massive which takes a toll when you play in all the T-20 leagues. In test matches you have some boring less pressurizing sessions, spells

 

[Saj]

Last Pakistani fast bowler to play 50 tests = Waqar Younis, debut 1989.

Last Pakistani fast bowler to take 200 wickets = Waqar Younis, debut 1989.

They've been milking W and W to pump up their so called fast bowling legacy for decades.

There's no fast bowling factory in Pakistan. It's a myth.

Sadly these guys come, want to make quick money and then go.

 

[KoyoAli]

'Didn’t like this statement' - Inzamam-ul-Haq slams Waqar Younis for his remarks on Babar Azam's injury

Waqar Younis stated that other teams are scared of Babar Azam and his absence will be a huge jolt for Pakistan ahead of the New Zealand T20Is. Inzamam-ul-Haq slammed Waqar for his remarks on Babar's injury.

Pakistan cricket team have started their tour of New Zealand in the worse possible scenario. Ahead of the three T20Is and two Tests, the Men in Green had several members testing positive for the novel coronavirus. While they went past that, their newly-appointed full-time captain Babar Azam got injured during a training session.

Babar fractured his thumb and has been ruled out of the upcoming three-match T20I series between Pakistan and New Zealand, starting from December 18. With Shadab Khan set to lead the side, bowling coach Waqar Younis opened up on Babar's absence and had recently made a big claim on the star batsman.

"It is a major setback for us. Other teams are scared of Babar Azam, and there is no doubt that he is one of the best players in the world. It is unfortunate that it [injury] happened at the wrong time, just at the stroke of the series starting,” Waqar said during a media interaction ahead of the New Zealand T20Is.

Reacting to this, former Pakistan captain and chief selector Inzamam-ul-Haq slammed the ex-Pakistani speedster and said, "I was surprised to see the team management saying openly that Babar Azam’s injury happened at the wrong time. Everyone knows that Babar Azam is our main player, but I don’t think the management should say that we are concerned, as it sends out a message to the opposition that our morale is down. When you admit something like this, it gives an edge to the opposition. I didn’t like this statement,” opined Inzamam on his YouTube channel.

Talking about Babar, his rise in international cricket has been inspiring. Making his debut in 2015, the right-hander soon raised his standards with consistency in ODIs and T20Is and is slowly delivering the good in the purest format of the game as well.

Hence, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has promoted him as the full-time captain. So far, Babar has led the side in limited-overs and will hope to regain full fitness to return before the two-match Test series versus a daunting host New Zealand.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...-for-his-remarks-on-babar-azams-injury/694836

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Inzi is completely right, it’s a very defeatist mindset from Waqar to admit publicly that Babar Azam is going to be a big setback.

One journalist asked Waqar later about how the morale in the dressing room is, and instead of giving reassuring positive words, he said “I don’t know to be honest, we haven’t had a team meeting since the news of the injury came out, obviously people will be dejected but I don’t know yet, we’ll have to see how people are feeling.”

 

[shaz619]

The intensity and pressure of these T-20 leagues can be massive which takes a toll when you play in all the T-20 leagues. In test matches you have some boring less pressurizing sessions, spells

I wonder how Waqar would do in such intense and pressure situations after the showing in 96 QF

 

[shaz619]

There's no fast bowling factory in Pakistan. It's a myth.

Sadly these guys come, want to make quick money and then go.

It doesn’t help when a bunch of backward locals are running the show

 

[Caved12]

Inzi is completely right, it’s a very defeatist mindset from Waqar to admit publicly that Babar Azam is going to be a big setback.

One journalist asked Waqar later about how the morale in the dressing room is, and instead of giving reassuring positive words, he said “I don’t know to be honest, we haven’t had a team meeting since the news of the injury came out, obviously people will be dejected but I don’t know yet, we’ll have to see how people are feeling.”

I have a feeling that something is going on and it is going to blow up soon. Hope I am wrong! How did Wasim Khan managed to hire both Misbah and Waqar is beyond me.

 

[UzmanBeast]

To be fair, bowling in a T20 league is nothing more than practice.

It's like 30-40 overs in an entire tournament if you make the final.

You can bowl more in one Test. Sometimes in a single innings.

Are the T20 leagues even doing him good? Has he improved after this so-called "practice". If anything, he is deteriorating very quickly if random Sri Lankan U-19 batsman can swat him out of the park.

 

[watson367]

Waqar's statement probably expediated Amir's retirement

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Since return to international cricket till the end of 2019, he bowled 1273.2 overs for Pakistan across all formats.

No pacer has bowled more than 850 overs during this period.

And the buffoon on his 17th tenure as coach says he is not retired due to workload.. It was outright to everyone that he was milked to maximum by all the coaches and captains in the last 5 yrs

 

[Savak]

Waqar's statement probably expediated Amir's retirement

Dont need such softies playing for Pakistan

 

[KhanNn]

People seem to be forgetting I think was the last International match Amir was playing he got tonked about then pretended to have an injury in that game...he basically threw in the towel! Somebody else completed his over.

Then in the later stages of the game you could see him come back on the field asking to bowl but Babar told him to get back off.

THAT was the end of Amir's career and I think he realised it that he is just not good enough. Now that he's realised this he is spewing his hate because he knows that there's no way back into the team

 

[MenInG]

Waqar Younis will leave the Pakistan squad tomorrow - he is going back to Australia to see his family and will come to Pakistan for SA series

 

[Shafi]

Waqar Younis will leave the Pakistan squad tomorrow - he is going back to Australia to see his family and will come to Pakistan for SA series

Wow!!! No liability. Why PCB wasting money on this con artist. This guy knows nothing about coaching and should be sacked. But Wasim Khan needs to be sacked for agreeing appointing this idiot along with Misbah.

 

[CleverSir]

Waqar Younis will leave the Pakistan squad tomorrow - he is going back to Australia to see his family and will come to Pakistan for SA series

I thought he was going to Pakistan because his family is visiting there. In Australia he would have to quarantine for 14 days before seeing them, which was the reason he couldn’t see them after the England series.

 

[volcyz]

Absolute joke this

 

[Shafi]

Difference between professional and desi bro!!! Pathetic!!!

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Wow!!! No liability. Why PCB wasting money on this con artist. This guy knows nothing about coaching and should be sacked. But Wasim Khan needs to be sacked for agreeing appointing this idiot along with Misbah.

Yes, and we should hire you as the CEO so that you can have all sorts of panic attacks in the PCB's office, much like what you have when you are posting on PP

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Difference between professional and desi bro!!! Pathetic!!!

I'm no Waqar fan, but he hasn't seen his family for 6 months due to Pakistan commitments and covid SAPs. So, take the facts into consideration before you throw a hissy fit

 

[mannimans]

Since return to international cricket till the end of 2019, he bowled 1273.2 overs for Pakistan across all formats.

No pacer has bowled more than 850 overs during this period.

And the buffoon on his 17th tenure as coach says he is not retired due to workload.. It was outright to everyone that he was milked to maximum by all the coaches and captains in the last 5 yrs

He should probably take a leaf out of Waqar's career. Waqar in his last 3 years from 1 Jan 1999 to 31 Dec 2002 bowled 1486.1 overs with an average of 26.6 and SR of 39.9 (T20's were not even around at this time!). I'm pretty sure Waqar was also older than what amir currently is at that time.

Amir the big softie, since his return in 2016 has bowled 1277.3 overs at an average of 29.68 and a SR of 47.9... says a lot ay....Amir is a disrespectful paindoo phoni.... he deserves all the criticism aimed at him. He ditched his country for money......repeatedly, first spot fixing, now cricket leagues... shows you the kinda guy he is.

 

[Savak]

He should probably take a leaf out of Waqar's career. Waqar in his last 3 years from 1 Jan 1999 to 31 Dec 2002 bowled 1486.1 overs with an average of 26.6 and SR of 39.9 (T20's were not even around at this time!). I'm pretty sure Waqar was also older than what amir currently is at that time.

Amir the big softie, since his return in 2016 has bowled 1277.3 overs at an average of 29.68 and a SR of 47.9... says a lot ay....Amir is a disrespectful paindoo phoni.... he deserves all the criticism aimed at him. He ditched his country for money......repeatedly, first spot fixing, now cricket leagues... shows you the kinda guy he is.

Waqar was definitely in his mid to late 30's by then, and he was bowling at the same speeds that Amir is bowling at now i.e. late 120's to early to mid 130's and could crank the effort ball to 140-142 km/hr.

 

[mannimans]

Waqar Younis will leave the Pakistan squad tomorrow - he is going back to Australia to see his family and will come to Pakistan for SA series

Wow!!! No liability. Why PCB wasting money on this con artist. This guy knows nothing about coaching and should be sacked. But Wasim Khan needs to be sacked for agreeing appointing this idiot along with Misbah.

Absolute joke this

Difference between professional and desi bro!!! Pathetic!!!

He's not in Australia, he's gone back to Pakistan. This is being professional - he has taken annual leave, just like any other professional that is employed. He hasn't seen his family in almost 12 months. He came to Australia after the England series, was in quarantine, and on the 5th day of quarantine his father in pakistan passed away. He immediately flew back to pakistan without seeing his family here in sydney. The only reason he took some leave is because when the team goes back to pakistan, they will be in a bio bubble for the next series, and would therefore still not be able to see his family....

Try not to form opinions without facts...

 

[mannimans]

Waqar was definitely in his mid to late 30's by then, and he was bowling at the same speeds that Amir is bowling at now i.e. late 120's to early to mid 130's and could crank the effort ball to 140-142 km/hr.

And even at the end of his career, he had a better strike rate and average than what Amir ever did throughout his entire career! lol

 

[Savak]

And even at the end of his career, he had a better strike rate and average than what Amir ever did throughout his entire career! lol

WY was bowling to better players at the time as well compared to Amir

 

[mannimans]

WY was bowling to better players at the time as well compared to Amir

Can't believe we're actually agreeing on something!

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

Sarkar Waqar Younis? A spot fixing over rated trundler calling a legend Sarkar, pathetic

very true.

 

[The Viper]

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Damn. Hasan Ali been putting some time at the gym.

 

[Savak]

Not sure what WY actually does with the bowlers or teaches them other than standing as an umpire and doing shabaash well bowled. He hasn't really been able to make any difference in the 1.5 years he has been in his post so far

 

[Savak]

I am concerned about Shaheens workload. Why are we in a position where we have to play him in every T20, ODI and Test match? I would rather be have a career or 60-70 test matches where he can bowl at 142-145 km/hr vs 100-110 test matches where we starts trundling at 127-130 km/hr and is ten percent the bowler he used to be

 

[shamaan]

I am concerned about Shaheens workload. Why are we in a position where we have to play him in every T20, ODI and Test match? I would rather be have a career or 60-70 test matches where he can bowl at 142-145 km/hr vs 100-110 test matches where we starts trundling at 127-130 km/hr and is ten percent the bowler he used to be

He should not play t20s and odis for example south africa are not playing thier full squad he should be rested for the t20 series but we know they will make him play tests and t20s

 

[ayemgilani86]

As a huge fan of Amir and a massive proponent of his comeback and sticking with him while he finds his way back, he has let me and many many others down hugely! and he goes around looking for sympathy . . he has been looking for sympathy since his return . . it just took me a while to realize this . .

When he's got the appreciation from the likes of Kohli and Smith, then how else do you justify his record since his comeback? How do you justify his lackluster performances in general outside a couple of flashes in the pan showing us "what could have been" . . When he has that level of talent and skill to be respected by the very best, there was only one other thing that was needed for him to succeed . . and unfortunately, its now clear he failed to do that one thing i.e. put his head down and work hard and fix his issues!

See, the problem is . . Amir has made excuses after excuses since his come back! even when he says something thats perhaps genuine (like issues with Pakistan's rotation policy), its just difficult to take him seriously . .

A few examples:

1. Amir has lost so much pace . . Why is Amir bowling military medium now? He wasn't when he left in 2010 . . and he wasn't when he came back in 2016 . . his pace has progressively dropped and now he is bowling 130 kph . .

Amir in 2016: I have been out of cricket for 5 years . . cut me some slack
Amir in 2017: i have been out of cricket for 5 years . . cut me some slack
Amir in 2018/19/20: repeat cycle . .

2. Amir has lost his ability to swing the ball which made him so dangerous . . the "flash in the pan" performances come back when he somehow rediscovers that shape . . the shape that Trent boult was envious of early in his career . . I am no expert but those who are such as the likes of Akram clearly pointed out technical flaws . . There has been no improvement . . in fact, I dont even know where he has gone, what expert advice he has sought, where has he put in the effort to work on those technical issues . . if you know, please enlighten me . . and Amir's responses?

Amir in 2017: I was out of cricket for 5 years, cut me some slack . .
Amir in 2018/19/20: repeat cycle . .

3. Amir is clearly not fit enough . . that seems to hamper him giving his 100% . . perhaps thats why he isnt able to put effort . . maybe his "back" isn't going through in his delivery stride . . Amir himself alluding to fitness issues . . Amir is playing too much cricket . . Amir is playing T20, ODI and Tests (without being exceptional in any format to be honest) . .

Amir in 2016: I have been out of cricket for 5 years, cut me some slack . . body will take time . .
Amir in 2017: I have been out of cricket for 5 years . . my body isn't the same anymore
Amir in 2018/19/20: I have been out of cricket for 5 years . . repeat cycle

I won't continue because you get the gist . . the same happened with the will he/won't he retire from test cricket . . again due to fitness, and out of cricket for 5 years, I am playing so much, expectations are so high, etc. its like he's in a different era/career than starc, cummins, rabada, boult, bhumrah, archer, shami, et al.

The fact is . . there is no evidence of Amir going the extra mile to warrant special treatment for him! the fact is, that for all his talent . . it is clear that either his heart wasn't in cricket anymore or he just didn't want to work hard . . either way, it hurt the team . .

Amir unfortunately has come across as someone who has wanted to take the easy way out at every opportunity . . and I repeat . . as a massive fan of his bowling and talent, I am bitterly disappointed in him . . And I don't give a ____ if he wants to play test cricket or not . . obviously, I would have liked him to, but that's not even the point . . the fact is, the guy just never seem to really put in the hard yards and internalize the work ethic required to succeed as an elite player . .

The result is in front of us . .

Therefore, I have absolutely zero sympathy for Amir . .

My only problem is - my entire rant falls flat when I see folks like Musa getting selected ahead of Amir, because I could have huge issues with Amir . . but Musa will never be good enough to warrant a space in the squad ahead of Amir . . (actually, in my opinion Musa will never be good enough to be anywhere near the Pakistan squad, but that's another story)

everything u said is spot on but why talk about Musa, hes just a 19/20 yr old maybe he will improve maybe he wont but its not like hes playing every game, and his effort is still more than Amir's

the problem with this whole lot of players, Amir, Akmals, Malik all of them are so entitled that they feel they are automatic fits every time Even Ehsan Adil feels aggrieved that he is not in the playing 11

 

[ayemgilani86]

Amazes me how Pakistan a country that has a rich legacy of fast bowlers and prides itself on having a factory of bowlers gets hung up on Amir a guy who has fixed international games. I have no problem in him getting a 2nd chance but still I don’t get the fascination. Is it because of the CT spell?

Let’s take the example of Sreeshanth, how was he any less talented than Amir? He won India not 1 but 2 tests in SA which not a lot of Pak ATG’s have managed. He was part of 2 WC winning teams. In fact in WT20 2007, he played a big role in the semis against an ATG Aussie line up also took the iconic catch of that scoop shot.

However Indian cricket will not even take a 2nd look at Sreeshanth, in fact Joginder Sharma is now out of the limelight doing his own thing. We moved on from Nehra and Munaf Patel who have a bigger body of work than Amir.

So May be Pakistan fans need to ask themselves the question, is there a fast bowling factory really available or is Amir really that great

we had some very good old school Pakistani bowlers in domestic cricket like Abdur Rauf, Sohail Khan, Tabish Khan , Mohammad Talha but we played them when they were in their 30s and past their prime and at that time when Misbah was fixated on Sohail Tanvir, Bilawal Bhatti and never tried anyone else

 

[NauV]

everything u said is spot on but why talk about Musa, hes just a 19/20 yr old maybe he will improve maybe he wont but its not like hes playing every game, and his effort is still more than Amir's

the problem with this whole lot of players, Amir, Akmals, Malik all of them are so entitled that they feel they are automatic fits every time Even Ehsan Adil feels aggrieved that he is not in the playing 11

Yea, the comparison to Musa wasn't necessarily on his effort but more on his skills and whether he deserves a spot in the team over Amir on skills . . let's just say, I will be enormously stunned if Musa has any sort of a career with Pak!