0.56% on the win predictior to a win? Greatest comeback in ODIS ever by Australia?

[MenInG]

The thread title in a picture...

 

[BouncerGuy]

One of the greatest heist in ODI cricket history. Fabulous stuff from Maxwell yesterday against Afghanistan.

 

[MenInG]

Please cut out this Pakistan fans, Indian Fans thing out of this thread

This is just basic trolling and not appreciated.

 

[Mamoon]

Four balls before the match ended today, this is a comment that was posted in Cricinfo commentary.

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Why our Indian friends are dying to prove that Maxwell's innings is only as big as Kapil's innings?

Here are some huge differences.....between the two innings;

1. Kapil was batting in first inngins - not chasing a large total in 50 overs.
2. Kapil had 60 overs to bat.
3. Maxwell was having severe cramps.
4. Zimbabwe was playing only their 5th ODI match....after making thier debut in the same 1983 WC.
5. Zimbabwe in their first 10 years (June 9, 1983 to June 9, 1993) played 29 ODIs and they lost 27 and won only two with W/L ratio of 0.074. Afghanistan on the other hand, played 111 ODIs, winning 57 and losing 50 of them in their first 10 years (19 Apr 2009 to 19 Apr 2019). That is a win/loss ratio of 1.14.

Point is ... when Kapil scored 175 in 60 overs, Zimabawe was one of the weakest team and stayed that way for the longest time. Maxwell scored his 201 runs in 50 overs against one of the strongest spin bowling attack in the world currently.

There is absolutely no copmarison!

bro many of them have been try to do the same comparison here aswell.

Just desperation. Even though we saw two 200+ scores during the 2015 world cup.

Funny thing is, you asked them to show us a video of the innings and they become quiet. Like most of them didnt even saw the game, but because its the only innings that was near to 200 in a world cup, they count it.

Kapil's innings is glorified only because India went on to win 1983 World Cup a days later.... and that is fair enough... but if India had lost in the semi-final, nobody would have remembered that Kapil innings .... just like we do not remember Imran Nazir's phnominal 162 against the same opposition (zimbabwe) in 2007 World Cup in West Indies.... a few hours before Bob Woolmer died.

It is understandable for Indian fans to be desperate to prove that Kapil’s innings was better because there are a lot of emotions attached to that innings and it is part of the Indian cricket folklore.

However, what is your desperation to prove that Maxwell’s innings was better and what is your desperation to discredit Kapil’s innings?

@MenInG - this post is better worded, or I hope. I’m positive it will be allowed to stay.

 

[Major]

Again it doesn't matter what you say. You can troll on PP.

The match the innings the scoreboard is part of cricket history. Pakistanis cannot change it.

you havent even watched that game, so how can it be amongst the best?

 

[Major]

It is understandable for Indian fans to be desperate to prove that Kapil’s innings was better because there are a lot of emotions attached to that innings and it is part of the Indian cricket folklore.

However, what is your desperation to prove that Maxwell’s innings was better and what is your desperation to discredit Kapil’s innings?

@MenInG - this post is better worded, or I hope. I’m positive it will be allowed to stay.

I swear to god, i had no idea that indians rate that kapil innings so high. Pakistani posters didnt even know about that innings or cared because no one even saw it.

The discussion was about Maxwells 201 and your comment on Gibbs 177.

But the way indian posters came in and said that Kapil is also up there baffles me the desperation to attach their name to something great.

No one is creditting Maxwell to discredit Kapil because no even knew Kapil's inning even existed.

 

[Mamoon]

I swear to god, i had no idea that indians rate that kapil innings so high. Pakistani posters didnt even know about that innings or cared because no one even saw it.

The discussion was about Maxwells 201 and your comment on Gibbs 177.

But the way indian posters came in and said that Kapil is also up there baffles me the desperation to attach their name to something great.

No one is creditting Maxwell to discredit Kapil because no even knew Kapil's inning even existed.

If you or anyone else didn’t know about that innings it is your ignorance. It doesn’t diminish the value and significance of the innings.

It is one of the most iconic innings of all time.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If you or anyone else didn’t know about that innings it is your ignorance. It doesn’t diminish the value and significance of the innings.

It is one of the most iconic innings of all time.

Yea. Several articles, anecdotes are already out there. My dad went to movie when India was at 104/7 thinking match was gone for all money. Some of them did listen right through. Since there was no internet no new or anything they didn't know the result until next morning. Next morningg font page news "Kapil Dev set tunbridgewells ablaze". That was the headlines i heard. Everyone checked the scored in disbelief to see if there was a typo. Even though there is no video, we have heard several first hand accounts of that match. Yes it is always going to be a special knock for every Indian for years to come. Even if Gill or someone else had played similar knock of Maxie it would not have been rated higher.

 

[Major]

If you or anyone else didn’t know about that innings it is your ignorance. It doesn’t diminish the value and significance of the innings.

It is one of the most iconic innings of all time.

how is it iconic if no one saw the innings? How is it iconic?

i knew about the innings through the ranveer movie.

But the fact that indians would use it to link themselves with Maxwells innnings is not what i expected. That is called desperation.

 

[Major]

There are many great innings that are played in domestic cricket, but we dont know because we never saw them in video.

 

[Mamoon]

how is it iconic if no one saw the innings? How is it iconic?

i knew about the innings through the ranveer movie.

But the fact that indians would use it to link themselves with Maxwells innnings is not what i expected. That is called desperation.

It was iconic because of the impact it had on India’s fortunes in the World Cup and also the impact it had on Indian cricket in general.

India’s World Cup campaign was in trouble after back to back losses to West Indies and Australia and suddenly they found themselves 17/5 against Zimbabwe and a defeat could have ended India’s campaign for all practical purposes.

That 175* lifted India like few innings have ever lifted a nation. India would probably have not won the World Cup if it wasn’t for that heroic performance.

It elevated Kapil to legendary status and that innings was the most famous one by an Indian batsman until Tendulkar’s Sharjah Desert Storm in 1998.

When Kapil played that innings, India’s qualification was on the line. That wasn’t the case for Australia yesterday and this is why I think Kapil’s innings was more significant - there was a lot more on the line.

If you or anyone else were not aware of this innings and had to watch a Bollywood movie to find out about it, then it means that you know nothing about the history of cricket and should spend more time learning about its history.

Being televised or not televised makes no difference to the significance of performance because that doesn’t change the influence and the impact on the team and the country.

I don't see any desperation amongst Indian fans. I don’t see anyone jumping from pillar to post to discredit Maxwell. Whatever Maxwell did or whatever anyone else does in the future will not change what Kapil did for Indian cricket on that day.

However, I see a lot of desperation among Pakistani fans to try and prove that Maxwell played a better innings than Kapil. It seems like they waited 40 years for this moment.

If a Pakistani played the Maxwell knock the desperation would have been understandable, but perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised because being “parai shaadi me Abdullah deewana” is an old habit of Pakistani fans.

 

[Mamoon]

There are many great innings that are played in domestic cricket, but we dont know because we never saw them in video.

Just because you haven’t watched an innings or a player doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate its greatness and significance.

You haven’t watched a full innings of Bradman or Sobers either but that doesn’t mean you start calling Misbah a better batsman than them.

 

[Kianig89]

Maxwell innings is greatest from modern era, he delivered sixes at will without any feet movement adds insult to AFG bowling and captaincy, this was like circus still kudos to Maxwell

 

[jnaveen1980]

Maxwell innings is greatest from modern era, he delivered sixes at will without any feet movement adds insult to AFG bowling and captaincy, this was like circus still kudos to Maxwell

I won't be surprised if we see one of this in the semi final. We have quiet a few X factor players taking on each other. Klassen, Miller, Markrak, QDK, Maxie, Warner, Head.

 

[Kianig89]

I won't be surprised if we see one of this in the semi final. We have quiet a few X factor players taking on each other. Klassen, Miller, Markrak, QDK, Maxie, Warner, Head.

No chance Rohit Bavuma and Cummins very good captains specially the first two, AFG just played into the hands of Australia

 

[jnaveen1980]

No chance Rohit Bavuma and Cummins very good captains specially the first two, AFG just played into the hands of Australia

This will be at Wankhede. QDK's second home. If they bat first against this rubbish Austrlaian attack he can seriously fly.

 

[W63L35]

However, I see a lot of desperation among Pakistani fans to try and prove that Maxwell played a better innings than Kapil. It seems like they waited 40 years for this moment.

If a Pakistani played the Maxwell knock the desperation would have been understandable, but perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised because being “parai shaadi me Abdullah deewana” is an old habit of Pakistani fans.

Speaking of desperation & "parai shaadi (AUS-AFG) me Abdullah (Kapil) deewan": Looks like you have not read the whole thread.... if you had you would have known who mentioned Kapil for the first time in this thread. Please check post #37.

 

[Technics 1210]

However, I see a lot of desperation among Pakistani fans to try and prove that Maxwell played a better innings than Kapil. It seems like they waited 40 years for this moment.

Stop the rhona dhona.

Go have a read of all the media, the majority of cricketers, past and present, fans all over the world, are hailing Max's innings as the best ODI innings ever, and these include ex players who also witnessed the King - Viv - dispatch balls out of the park.

You are only bringing Pakistan fans into this cos Afghanistan failed to beat Australia so that Pakistan would be all but out of the WC - it's a typical compensation psychology cycle with you.

And stop pretending you know anything about Indian cricket pre 2000. Kapil Dev's WC win was not celebrated as much in India, even Gavaskar with his record breaking Test performance didn't make a mark - Indian cricket flew off the charts in the 90s with Tendulkar and the spread of India media in the 90s, which is precisely why most Indians have not heard or remember Kapil's WC innings vs Zimbabwe, but can tell you every inch of Tendulkar's career.

And save the 'you don't have to watch the innings' nonsense, you must certainly do to appreciate the context of an innings which is used to judge an innings.

At the end of the day, we all hold opinions, except the likes of you who actually holds grudges.

 

[Technics 1210]

Speaking of desperation & "parai shaadi (AUS-AFG) me Abdullah (Kapil) deewan": Looks like you have not read the whole thread.... if you had you would have known who mentioned Kapil for the first time in this thread. Please check post #37.

No one has mocked Kapil's innings but as per usual, Mamoons rage is blinding him, when Pakistan win or progress.

 

[deltexas]

Kapil's innings is glorified only because India went on to win 1983 World Cup a days later.... and that is fair enough... but if India had lost in the semi-final, nobody would have remembered that Kapil innings .... just like we do not remember Imran Nazir's phnominal 162 against the same opposition (zimbabwe) in 2007 World Cup in West Indies.... a few hours before Bob Woolmer died.

And thats how it should be..Like, thats the whole purpose , the whole concept! A lot more people remember Ben Stokes 80 in the 2019 final vs his highest score for eng in a bilateral series.. The stakes are much higher. Guys remember inzi's knock in the 92 sf. Nobody remembers rameez rajas or aamir sohails century in the 92 WC league phase..

 

[deltexas]

And FWIW it was an absolutely remarkable innings by Maxwell - no 2 ways about it !! Poor Mujeeb has had problems eating and sleep issues as per Afg cricket board - man that catch drop nightmare will haunt him for a loooong time !

 

[cricketjoshila]

I swear to god, i had no idea that indians rate that kapil innings so high. Pakistani posters didnt even know about that innings or cared because no one even saw it.

The discussion was about Maxwells 201 and your comment on Gibbs 177.

But the way indian posters came in and said that Kapil is also up there baffles me the desperation to attach their name to something great.

No one is creditting Maxwell to discredit Kapil because no even knew Kapil's inning even existed.

Your lack of knowledge cannot be extrapolated to everyone.

Kapil Devs innings was the then highest score in ODIs.

Highest score in a WC till 1996.

Its in top 5 of the Wisden list of greatest ODI innings.

 

[cricketjoshila]

you havent even watched that game, so how can it be amongst the best?

You haven't watched Bradman play, but you have watched Misbah bat, does it mean Misbah is a better batsman than Bradman.

 

[Major]

You haven't watched Bradman play, but you have watched Misbah bat, does it mean Misbah is a better batsman than Bradman.

There is a difference between a career an innings

You are taking one innihgs that has no footage and trying to forcefully equate it to maxwells innings even though you never saw it or dont know what happened. But just desperate to have some indian attention

 

[Major]

Your lack of knowledge cannot be extrapolated to everyone.

Kapil Devs innings was the then highest score in ODIs.

Highest score in a WC till 1996.

Its in top 5 of the Wisden list of greatest ODI innings.

I think you need to be reminded that we are in 2023.

The highest score till 1996 and than after what 27 years later if you are going try to equate it as a second best.

Had afg won than it would had been ajay jadeja this ajay jadeja that

 

[Major]

Just because you haven’t watched an innings or a player doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate its greatness and significance.

You haven’t watched a full innings of Bradman or Sobers either but that doesn’t mean you start calling Misbah a better batsman than them.

There is a differnece between an innings and a whole career.

I have never watched imran or akram play. But that does not dispute their whole career?.

We have indian people coming up here and telling us how great kapil innings was that they only imagined.

. If someone had been saying that bumrah is not good enough as fazal mehmood, you would had been having the same argument.

Point is, you dont praise something which you havent even eaten

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think you need to be reminded that we are in 2023.

The highest score till 1996 and than after what 27 years later if you are going try to equate it as a second best.

Had afg won than it would had been ajay jadeja this ajay jadeja that

You missed the rest of the post. Did you?

Kapil Devs innings is widely acknowledged as one of the best ODI innings of all times.

Just because you didn't know doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[Major]

You missed the rest of the post. Did you?

Kapil Devs innings is widely acknowledged as one of the best ODI innings of all times.

Just because you didn't know doesn't mean it didn't happen.

who watched it?

Even durian fruit look nice on picture and in actual it wreeks.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Guys, please stay on topic. No need to discuss India and Pakistan innings here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is a difference between a career an innings

You are taking one innihgs that has no footage and trying to forcefully equate it to maxwells innings even though you never saw it or dont know what happened. But just desperate to have some indian attention

I have no footage of Sobers 360 plus. What to do? Say it didn't happen? Or read what experts have to say about that innings.

175 innings has been widely reported and acknowledged as one of the greatest ODI innings ever and until Maxwells 201, that 175 had no equivalent in WC cricket.

As i said you can keep trying to play down Kapil Devs innings, it won't affect what has already been reported and acknowledged by many greats and experts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

who watched it?

Even durian fruit look nice on picture and in actual it wreeks.

Those who watched it wrote about it. Experts and ex players.

You keep whining that India is practising discrimination against pakistanis by denying them access to IPL and PCB should take legal action. That's your opinion, no matter how ridiculous it is.

Similarly you can keep repeating that since there is no footage of Kapil's 175 it doesn't matter. Now that's your opinion, no matter how ridiculous it is.

 

[Major]

Those who watched it wrote about it. Experts and ex players.

You keep whining that India is practising discrimination against pakistanis by denying them access to IPL and PCB should take legal action. That's your opinion, no matter how ridiculous it is.

Similarly you can keep repeating that since there is no footage of Kapil's 175 it doesn't matter. Now that's your opinion, no matter how ridiculous it is.

Did you watch it?

Those who watched it are not here on this forum. If they were i would had taken their words as value.

You didnt watch it, you just care that it was an indian player thus automatically it became the best innings

 

[Major]

I have no footage of Sobers 360 plus. What to do? Say it didn't happen? Or read what experts have to say about that innings.

175 innings has been widely reported and acknowledged as one of the greatest ODI innings ever and until Maxwells 201, that 175 had no equivalent in WC cricket.

As i said you can keep trying to play down Kapil Devs innings, it won't affect what has already been reported and acknowledged by many greats and experts.

Lol one of the greatest. Whatever rocks your indian boat