14 dead, over 90 injured in clash between PAT workers, police in Model Town, Lahore

[AZ]

[MENTION=218]UsmanhailsAfridi[/MENTION]

how are the situations any different? both are gross failures of the governing authority.

at least SS had the guts to admit this happened on his watch and he is up for any repercussions.

 

[AZ]

Perhaps he is right,the Punjab Police and the Taliban are on a par- one are a murderous bunch of thugs who kill innocent people and then we have the Taliban who do exactly the same thing.

answer my question then, who fired at the police?

 

[Vulcan]

Damage has already been done. I don't think Judicial Inquiry will help to settle down this issue. TuQ just said that his worker will not appear in this inquiry and they reject this panel

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

[MENTION=218]UsmanhailsAfridi[/MENTION]

how are the situations any different? both are gross failures of the governing authority.

at least SS had the guts to admit this happened on his watch and he is up for any repercussions.

Like the repercussions his daughter got for getting her goons to slap around the bakery guy?

 

[AZ]

Lahore clash: Who caused the bloodshed?
By Faisal Ali Ghumman

Published about 12 hours ago


LAHORE: Who ordered the firing on the supporters of Dr Tahirul Qadri in Model Town? As the question was repeatedly asked on Tuesday, there was no straight answer from the police.

No immediate action against policemen leading the operation suggests that the ‘top man’ of the province might have given the ‘go-ahead’.

Senior police officers associated with the anti-encroachment operation in and around Pakistan Awami Tehrik (PAT) chairman Tahirl Qadri’s residence and near-by Minahjul Quran Secretariat adopted a defensive strategy. They put the entire blame on the PAT activists for resisting the drive and attacking policemen.

Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Chaudhry Shafique Ahmad told reporters at the Central Police Office that police remained defensive for several hours against PAT activists.

The incident came at a time when its chairman had already announced his June 23 Pakistan visit for a series of demonstrations countrywide. This made it easy for PAT workers to project the raid as politically-motivated. However, the police officers leading the operation denied any pre-planned move against the PAT. They claimed they were assisting City District Government of Lahore (CDGL) officials in removing barriers from roads leading to the PAT premises.

The anti-encroachment action in this case came at an odd moment, at midnight contrary to the routine morning raids.

The CDGL staff was accompanied by the police in large numbers which was also unusual.

Interestingly, in this instance not even a single police official was immediately held responsible for mishandling and criminal negligence. This is contrary to the past practices when the chief minister had ordered summery suspension of officers accused of negligence or excess.

According to a neighbour, he had been seeing barriers and bunkers outside two PAT places for the last three years or so. He said policemen were also routinely seen guarding barriers.

A police source, who was present at the crime scene, told this reporter that PAT activists first pelted CDGL and police officials with stones to resist the removal of barriers and then some gunshots fired in air by PAT activists present in bunkers forced the policemen to run away.

He claimed later on the directive of a senior police officer, police began straight fire on PAT workers.

The source added some seven or eight divisional SPs were also seen commanding the force with divided strategy as some put focus on straight fire and others insisted dispersing activists through other means.

The CCPO, now made OSD, claimed that they held two negotiations round with the chief security officer of Minahjul Quran Institute in the morning, asking him to remove hurdles on their own. PAT activists deployed at roofs and bunkers again started firing at police and CDGL officials. He claimed activists also used patrol bombs against police, but police kept showing patience.

He said police resorted to baton charge and used shelling which helped CDGL officials to remove hurdles.

Mr Ahmad, who initially claimed that killings might be the result of firing by PAT activists, later said he could not determine at this point who killed who, adding the judicial inquiry and police investigation would fix the responsibility. Inspector General Mushtaq Sukhera said a three-member departmental committee had been constituted to determine criminality of any police official.

Faisal Town police lodged a case against seven nominated people, including general-secretary Khurram Nawaz Gandapur and Sheikh Fayyaz and CSO Altaf Shah, eight unidentified gunmen and hundreds of unidentified workers.

The case was lodged under Sections 302/34, 324, 353, 148,149, 290, 291 of Pakistan Penal Code and 7-Anti Terrorism Act.

Responding to a question as to why a case was not lodged against police, the IG said police would also take action on receiving application from aggrieved families of PAT.

Police took 53 PAT activists into custody during clash and claimed to have seized two Kalashnikovs, three pistols and 33 empty shells from the crime scene.

Published in Dawn, June 18th, 2014

 

[Bewal Express]

answer my question then, who fired at the police?

Probably the Police. BTW Do you really believe that he is stupid enough to set-up a commission whose recommendations he doesn`t already know. Why haven`t you answered my question from earlier-why did the Police watch while that clown Butt vandalised a car? Aren`t they supposed to be independent of Politicians?

 

[AZ]

Like the repercussions his daughter got for getting her goons to slap around the bakery guy?

His son-in-law was arrested, and made to face the consequences, what else should have been done...public beheading perhaps?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

His son-in-law was arrested, and made to face the consequences, what else should have been done...public beheading perhaps?

What were the consequences if you don't mind me asking? Any sort of sentence or fine?

 

[Bewal Express]

Please answer my question from earlier and can you also post a link to the consequences he faced?

 

[Vulcan]

Lahore clash: Who caused the bloodshed?
By Faisal Ali Ghumman

Published about 12 hours ago


LAHORE: Who ordered the firing on the supporters of Dr Tahirul Qadri in Model Town? As the question was repeatedly asked on Tuesday, there was no straight answer from the police.

No immediate action against policemen leading the operation suggests that the ‘top man’ of the province might have given the ‘go-ahead’.

Senior police officers associated with the anti-encroachment operation in and around Pakistan Awami Tehrik (PAT) chairman Tahirl Qadri’s residence and near-by Minahjul Quran Secretariat adopted a defensive strategy. They put the entire blame on the PAT activists for resisting the drive and attacking policemen.

Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Chaudhry Shafique Ahmad told reporters at the Central Police Office that police remained defensive for several hours against PAT activists.

The incident came at a time when its chairman had already announced his June 23 Pakistan visit for a series of demonstrations countrywide. This made it easy for PAT workers to project the raid as politically-motivated. However, the police officers leading the operation denied any pre-planned move against the PAT. They claimed they were assisting City District Government of Lahore (CDGL) officials in removing barriers from roads leading to the PAT premises.

The anti-encroachment action in this case came at an odd moment, at midnight contrary to the routine morning raids.

The CDGL staff was accompanied by the police in large numbers which was also unusual.

Interestingly, in this instance not even a single police official was immediately held responsible for mishandling and criminal negligence. This is contrary to the past practices when the chief minister had ordered summery suspension of officers accused of negligence or excess.

According to a neighbour, he had been seeing barriers and bunkers outside two PAT places for the last three years or so. He said policemen were also routinely seen guarding barriers.

A police source, who was present at the crime scene, told this reporter that PAT activists first pelted CDGL and police officials with stones to resist the removal of barriers and then some gunshots fired in air by PAT activists present in bunkers forced the policemen to run away.

He claimed later on the directive of a senior police officer, police began straight fire on PAT workers.

The source added some seven or eight divisional SPs were also seen commanding the force with divided strategy as some put focus on straight fire and others insisted dispersing activists through other means.

The CCPO, now made OSD, claimed that they held two negotiations round with the chief security officer of Minahjul Quran Institute in the morning, asking him to remove hurdles on their own. PAT activists deployed at roofs and bunkers again started firing at police and CDGL officials. He claimed activists also used patrol bombs against police, but police kept showing patience.

He said police resorted to baton charge and used shelling which helped CDGL officials to remove hurdles.

Mr Ahmad, who initially claimed that killings might be the result of firing by PAT activists, later said he could not determine at this point who killed who, adding the judicial inquiry and police investigation would fix the responsibility. Inspector General Mushtaq Sukhera said a three-member departmental committee had been constituted to determine criminality of any police official.

Faisal Town police lodged a case against seven nominated people, including general-secretary Khurram Nawaz Gandapur and Sheikh Fayyaz and CSO Altaf Shah, eight unidentified gunmen and hundreds of unidentified workers.

The case was lodged under Sections 302/34, 324, 353, 148,149, 290, 291 of Pakistan Penal Code and 7-Anti Terrorism Act.

Responding to a question as to why a case was not lodged against police, the IG said police would also take action on receiving application from aggrieved families of PAT.

Police took 53 PAT activists into custody during clash and claimed to have seized two Kalashnikovs, three pistols and 33 empty shells from the crime scene.

Published in Dawn, June 18th, 2014

These are Lahore police statements, same police who pressurise doctors to change medical reports of PAT workers

If they are not at fault then why they are doing these acts?

 

[AZ]

Probably the Police. BTW Do you really believe that he is stupid enough to set-up a commission whose recommendations he doesn`t already know. Why haven`t you answered my question from earlier-why did the Police watch while that clown Butt vandalised a car? Aren`t they supposed to be independent of Politicians?

the police fired at themselves? clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed.

the commission is chaired by a High Court judge.

your guess is as good as mine as to why the police didn't arrest him, he may well have been with them or a PMLN worker...in whatever case their negligence and his vandalism are not acceptable.

 

[Bewal Express]

the police fired at themselves? clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed.

the commission is chaired by a High Court judge.

your guess is as good as mine as to why the police didn't arrest him, he may well have been with them or a PMLN worker...in whatever case their negligence and his vandalism are not acceptable.

They seem to by lying left, right and centre so why is so hard to believe that they could have shot at their own(maybe by mistake). BTW Answer the questions posed above and we also need a link to what happened to the precious son in law who is above the law.

 

[Vulcan]

What were the consequences if you don't mind me asking? Any sort of sentence or fine?

Acquitted!

http://www.nation.com.pk/lahore/16-...re-case-shahbaz-sharif-s-son-in-law-acquitted

 

[AZ]

These are Lahore police statements, same police who pressurise doctors to change medical reports of PAT workers

If they are not at fault then why they are doing these acts?

if any policemen is involved in any funny business then action should be taken against them, they are obviously at fault already.

They seem to by lying left, right and centre so why is so hard to believe that they could have shot at their own(maybe by mistake). BTW Answer the questions posed above and we also need a link to what happened to the precious son in law who is above the law.

how was he above the law if he got arrested? last I heard the case was settled out of court.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Acquitted!

http://www.nation.com.pk/lahore/16-...re-case-shahbaz-sharif-s-son-in-law-acquitted

I'm shocked.

 

[Vulcan]

if any policemen is involved in any funny business then action should be taken against them, they are obviously at fault already.

Dont you think "Mautal kernay wala Wazir-e-Ala" should have suspended those policemen who were just watching Mr Gullu Butt (He was also wearing Punjab police badge) damaging public property and after that hugging Police wala in front of everyone?

But no action taken by Khadim-e-Aala. Why?

 

[AZ]

Punjab govt watched in silence as violence spread
Umar Cheema

ISLAMABAD: As the Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) workers and the police headed towards a showdown, the latter reacted recklessly while the Punjab government watched the development with criminal silence.



Background discussions with officials privy to details indicate that the police acted with caution in the beginning and even fled from the scene when stones were pelted on them that left scores of cops injured.

However, once they decided to retaliate, they left behind eight persons dead, providing fodder to a news hungry media. The tension in Lahore that spanned around 14 hours continued without any intervention from the government while the residence of Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif was not far away from the Minhajul Quran (MuQ) Markaz.

Apparently, an anti-encroachment operation turned into a political battlefield stained with the blood of workers. As the district administration decided to remove the barricades around the MuQ Markaz that were erected four years ago, around 10 policemen accompanied them in the first raid. The operation was to be launched at 1am Tuesday. The PAT workers started pelting stones on the policemen forcing them to flee, according to an eyewitness. Other than the MuQ Markaz and four houses in the surroundings hired by them, those employed at the Markaz also live in flats in a nearby market. They were found aiming at the police from there mostly with stones.

The police staged a comeback at around 5:30am only to notice the swelling ranks of the PAT workers who woke up to offer the Fajr prayer.This attempt also backfired as stones were pelted again.In the meanwhile, Allama Tahirul Qadri tweeted at 5am: “This is the first test for my workers. They will sacrifice their lives but they will never bow their heads.”

This coincides with a speech at the MuQ mosque where a fiery speaker was saying. ‘Mujahido, Shahadat ka waqt hay (holy warriors, it is time for martyrdom),’ is what he was heard repeating through a loudspeaker.

The security in-charge of the MuQ Markaz, Altaf Shah, a retired SP, was approached by the police for negotiations about the encroachment. Contrary to his past friendly behavior with the police, he dismissed the police demand and said they would either kill or be killed, an official of the district administration who approached him in the company of policemen told The News later.

The police went to the spot again for the third time at around 9:30am. This time, they were big in number comprising almost 100 cops. Again, stones were pelted that left over 20 policemen injured. All of them fled from the scene only to return for the fateful encounter after 12pm that ended with the killing of eight persons, (six workers and two passers-by).

Although, the PAT claims they didn’t have weapons, eyewitnesses claimed two Kalashnikovs and three pistols were recovered from the workers apprehended by the police.At no point in the 14-hour tension, there was any directive from the political government to abandon the anti-encroachment drive, knowing well its political implications.

 

[Vulcan]

Punjab govt watched in silence as violence spread
Umar Cheema

ISLAMABAD: As the Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) workers and the police headed towards a showdown, the latter reacted recklessly while the Punjab government watched the development with criminal silence.



Background discussions with officials privy to details indicate that the police acted with caution in the beginning and even fled from the scene when stones were pelted on them that left scores of cops injured.

However, once they decided to retaliate, they left behind eight persons dead, providing fodder to a news hungry media. The tension in Lahore that spanned around 14 hours continued without any intervention from the government while the residence of Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif was not far away from the Minhajul Quran (MuQ) Markaz.

Apparently, an anti-encroachment operation turned into a political battlefield stained with the blood of workers. As the district administration decided to remove the barricades around the MuQ Markaz that were erected four years ago, around 10 policemen accompanied them in the first raid. The operation was to be launched at 1am Tuesday. The PAT workers started pelting stones on the policemen forcing them to flee, according to an eyewitness. Other than the MuQ Markaz and four houses in the surroundings hired by them, those employed at the Markaz also live in flats in a nearby market. They were found aiming at the police from there mostly with stones.

The police staged a comeback at around 5:30am only to notice the swelling ranks of the PAT workers who woke up to offer the Fajr prayer.This attempt also backfired as stones were pelted again.In the meanwhile, Allama Tahirul Qadri tweeted at 5am: “This is the first test for my workers. They will sacrifice their lives but they will never bow their heads.”

This coincides with a speech at the MuQ mosque where a fiery speaker was saying. ‘Mujahido, Shahadat ka waqt hay (holy warriors, it is time for martyrdom),’ is what he was heard repeating through a loudspeaker.

The security in-charge of the MuQ Markaz, Altaf Shah, a retired SP, was approached by the police for negotiations about the encroachment. Contrary to his past friendly behavior with the police, he dismissed the police demand and said they would either kill or be killed, an official of the district administration who approached him in the company of policemen told The News later.

The police went to the spot again for the third time at around 9:30am. This time, they were big in number comprising almost 100 cops. Again, stones were pelted that left over 20 policemen injured. All of them fled from the scene only to return for the fateful encounter after 12pm that ended with the killing of eight persons, (six workers and two passers-by).

Although, the PAT claims they didn’t have weapons, eyewitnesses claimed two Kalashnikovs and three pistols were recovered from the workers apprehended by the police.At no point in the 14-hour tension, there was any directive from the political government to abandon the anti-encroachment drive, knowing well its political implications.

This is the discussion between police official and Umar Cheema.

In fact Umer Cheema is presenting only one side story here

 

[AZ]

Dont you think "Mautal kernay wala Wazir-e-Ala" should have suspended those policemen who were just watching Mr Gullu Butt (He was also wearing Punjab police badge) damaging public property and after that hugging Police wala in front of everyone?

But no action taken by Khadim-e-Aala. Why?

He has offered himself up for implication of the crime and handed over the handling of it to a judicial commission, no?

If he does it then people will say he's doing a cover-up.

 

[Vulcan]

He has offered himself up for implication of the crime and handed over the handling of it to a judicial commission, no?

If he does it then people will say he's doing a cover-up.

But Mr Gullu Butt news came after his presser? No?

Why he is not taking action? He can suspend policemen who did not stop Mr Gullu Butt?

Mind you Khadim-e-Ala is very famous in suspending officials.

 

[AZ]

This is the discussion between police official and Umar Cheema.

In fact Umer Cheema is presenting only one side story here

both articles have not absolved the police of anything, am simply pointing out that they were hardly facing a herd of sheep.

 

[amax]

not in any way justifying barbaric act of Police, but it would have been so good if PAT workers have allowed LDA to remove barricades instead of opting for turning model town into war zone(next day they could have challenged this in high court), all this mess created at such a critical time could have been avoided by little sense from both sides.

 

[amax]

both articles have not absolved the police of anything, am simply pointing out that they were hardly facing a herd of sheep.

there is no doubt that their political workers have decided well before to confront with police and register some media bravery/revolution in media but it all went horribly wrong for both sides.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

not in any way justifying barbaric act of Police, but it would have been so good if PAT workers have allowed LDA to remove barricades instead of opting for turning model town into war zone(next day they could have challenged this in high court), all this mess created at such a critical time could have been avoided by little sense from both sides.

Why were there barricades erected in the first place? It seems a bit anti-social.

 

[Faisalabad]

few tweets on police in punjab and how some bigwigs have family members in PMLN n assemblies.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Quite a few police officers have relatives in the PML-N. Zulfiqar Cheema's brother is an MNA, Pervez Rathore's brother is an MPA.</p>— Umair Javed (@umairjav) <a href="https://twitter.com/umairjav/statuses/479224955578892289">June 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Police-PMLN links; SP Umar Virk's brother is PML-N MNA, SP Rana Ayaz's cousin is Rana Sanaullah. SSP Rana Mansoor cousin of MNA Rana Nazeer.</p>— Umair Javed (@umairjav) <a href="https://twitter.com/umairjav/statuses/479226963635494912">June 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The basis of these relations has almost nothing to do with the PMLN, and everything to do with how Punjab's elite has always functioned.</p>— Umair Javed (@umairjav) <a href="https://twitter.com/umairjav/statuses/479228053437284353">June 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Elite families, especially landed ones, have always made investments in the bureaucracy through their sons/nephews.</p>— Umair Javed (@umairjav) <a href="https://twitter.com/umairjav/statuses/479228307586940928">June 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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sometime u gotta give credit to AZ on his naivety or pure ability to act the way he does. when has any commission ever done anything? they happen and then everything gets shoved under the carpet..be it under any gov of centre or province.

 

[Vulcan]

few tweets on police in punjab and how some bigwigs have family members in PMLN n assemblies.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Quite a few police officers have relatives in the PML-N. Zulfiqar Cheema's brother is an MNA, Pervez Rathore's brother is an MPA.</p>— Umair Javed (@umairjav) <a href="https://twitter.com/umairjav/statuses/479224955578892289">June 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Police-PMLN links; SP Umar Virk's brother is PML-N MNA, SP Rana Ayaz's cousin is Rana Sanaullah. SSP Rana Mansoor cousin of MNA Rana Nazeer.</p>— Umair Javed (@umairjav) <a href="https://twitter.com/umairjav/statuses/479226963635494912">June 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The basis of these relations has almost nothing to do with the PMLN, and everything to do with how Punjab's elite has always functioned.</p>— Umair Javed (@umairjav) <a href="https://twitter.com/umairjav/statuses/479228053437284353">June 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Elite families, especially landed ones, have always made investments in the bureaucracy through their sons/nephews.</p>— Umair Javed (@umairjav) <a href="https://twitter.com/umairjav/statuses/479228307586940928">June 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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sometime u gotta give credit to AZ on his naivety or pure ability to act the way he does. when has any commission ever done anything? they happen and then everything gets shoved under the carpet..be it under any gov of centre or province.

This is the main reason I was asking AZ sahab Why CM is not suspending these policemen

 

[Bewal Express]

if any policemen is involved in any funny business then action should be taken against them, they are obviously at fault already.



how was he above the law if he got arrested? last I heard the case was settled out of court.

So he was acquitted which shows that he was above the law- as I have explained over and over again, no one get justice from this family of crooks. The judge they have appointed for this has probably been brought already.

 

[waqar goraya]

Police officers were ordered to teach them a lesson. Bullets aside this anti encroachment drive at 2 am speaks volumes about the whole picture.
Government was also trying to find a legal cause to initiate criminal proceedings against TUQ for using charity money for politics. This also shows the mindset of these rulers.
I am not taking about bullets and murder of 2 females from police bullets. Anti encroachment drive at dawn and their efforts to find a legal issue to malign TUQ is enough for a a reasonable man to know.

Recent statements of Khawaja Saad and Rana Sanaullah should also be noted.

 

[Hawkeye]

This [MENTION=19532]AZ[/MENTION] guy is intentionally ignoring facts. He's also in a way responsible for this slaughter and murder, because he not only voted for Noora thugs to come in power, he's also supporting this terrorist act and slaughter of women by PMLN government. Even ancient barbarians respected women during battles.

Gullu Butt is a personal thug of Showbaaz shareef and is called as Sher-e-Punjab (Lion of Punjab) by Shehbaz Sharif. Enough evidence in print n electronic media. Gullu Butt was leading the manslaughter of innocent women and men and was also providing cold drinks to the police, as can be clearly seen in all the media footage.

Shameless stuff by PMLN ignorant jiyalas like [MENTION=19532]AZ[/MENTION] . Both noora thug brothers should be tried in anti-terrorism court.

 

[waqar_ahmad]

I would like those people who in another thread, were praising lahore police, to report here and eat some humble pie. Jab kisi baat ka pata na ho, to comment kerna zaroori nahi hota.

 

[saadibaba]

What's the difference between MQM and PML- N now, and 23rd May in Karachi and what happened in Lahore. All major parties have thugs acs hooligans in them.

 

[waqar_ahmad]

^ There is no difference between the two, and there is no difference between the 2 events.

 

[saadibaba]

^ There is no difference between the two, and there is no difference between the 2 events.

It was a rhetorical question

 

[saadibaba]

Correction: It was 12th May not 23rd.

 

[RWAC]

Looking at the videos coming up online, this is nothing else other than police acting like thugs.

 

[zane_]

No surprise that PML-N grew under auspices of Zia ul Haq. They have no heart.

 

[AZ]

This [MENTION=19532]AZ[/MENTION] guy is intentionally ignoring facts. He's also in a way responsible for this slaughter and murder, because he not only voted for Noora thugs to come in power, he's also supporting this terrorist act and slaughter of women by PMLN government. Even ancient barbarians respected women during battles.

Gullu Butt is a personal thug of Showbaaz shareef and is called as Sher-e-Punjab (Lion of Punjab) by Shehbaz Sharif. Enough evidence in print n electronic media. Gullu Butt was leading the manslaughter of innocent women and men and was also providing cold drinks to the police, as can be clearly seen in all the media footage.

Shameless stuff by PMLN ignorant jiyalas like [MENTION=19532]AZ[/MENTION] . Both noora thug brothers should be tried in anti-terrorism court.

what stuff have I 'ignored'? have said repeatedly that the police action was grossly out of hand.


[MENTION=58539]waqar goraya[/MENTION] the removal of barriers was tried at night precisely because of this scenario, TuQ sahab and his paid followers were trying to create a hungama right from the start.

 

[hur rizvi]

what stuff have I 'ignored'? have said repeatedly that the police action was grossly out of hand.


[MENTION=58539]waqar goraya[/MENTION] the removal of barriers was tried at night precisely because of this scenario, TuQ sahab and his paid followers were trying to create a hungama right from the start.

Even if PAT workers pelted at stones and fired in the air, it doesnt justify straight fire by Police on a crowd that had women and children...

Police could have just resorted on shelling, rubber bullets, Tear gas etc. to disperse the crowd, Opening straight fire was too extreme and all at the helm of affairs should be held responsible, Shahbaz shareef should have atleast suspended the Police officials who are running around trying to change the medical reports...

How can medical officers and Jundicial commision work under the pressure of Police which is the Party involved in these Brutal killings

 

[waqar_ahmad]

It was a rhetorical question

I know. I just felt like posting something

 

[AZ]

Even if PAT workers pelted at stones and fired in the air, it doesnt justify straight fire by Police on a crowd that had women and children...

Police could have just resorted on shelling, rubber bullets, Tear gas etc. to disperse the crowd, Opening straight fire was too extreme and all at the helm of affairs should be held responsible, Shahbaz shareef should have atleast suspended the Police officials who are running around trying to change the medical reports...

How can medical officers and Jundicial commision work under the pressure of Police which is the Party involved in these Brutal killings

I totally agree, use of live ammo/direct fire on protesters was barbaric and completely uncalled for.

Judicial commission can only give recommendations and not sentences, hence it is not under as much pressure as you are suggesting.

 

[Kianig89]

Judicial Commissions Lol we all know how judicial commissions work in Pakistan

 

[Kianig89]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Shocking:3 policemen brought Gulu Butt to court.Was it lapse or police wanted public to kill GB to eliminate all evidences to save top cops?</p>— Rauf Klasra (@KlasraRauf) <a href="https://twitter.com/KlasraRauf/statuses/479539267161444352">June 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Shocking stuff by the mafia #HyenaBros

 

[Saeed]

I always knew Nawaz is not a right kind of person, now imagine what his supporters are like? Next time brother AZ return to Pakistan from dubai, he should be searched 4 times. Plus Shabaz sharif deserves to be in Guantanamo bay because this is terrorism.

 

[Bewal Express]

BTW he never replied to my question as whether he believed that the Police are independent in Lahore?

 

[saeedhk]

Gulu Butt beaten by an angry mob in Lahore-ET

 

[Saeed]

Gulu Butt beaten by an angry mob in Lahore-ET

What, source? I hope sense prevails because he should be punished by law not some angry idiots. BTW any chance of that mob being Nawaz's gunday?

 

[saeedhk]

What, source? I hope sense prevails because he should be punished by law not some angry idiots. BTW any chance of that mob being Nawaz's gunday?

Here it is,

LAHORE: Gullu Butt, active member of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and police tout, was beaten up by an angry mob in Lahore, Express News reported.

The development came two days after violent clashes between Tahirul Qadri’s supporters and the police left eight people dead and scores others injured.

On Thursday, the PML-N worker – who was caught taking active part in the clashes against Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) workers – was handcuffed and beaten up outside a session court in the the Model Town area of Lahore.

Police eventually intervened and shifted Butt to an undisclosed location after he fainted and sustained injuries.

Vandalism

Butt was caught smashing cars during the clash between PAT workers and the police outside the Minhajul Quran International Secretariat on Tuesday.

He smashed windscreens and windows of private vehicles with his club, while police officials looked on and the vandalism continued unabated.



Source:http://tribune.com.pk/story/724048/gullu-butt-beaten-by-angry-mob-in-lahore/

 

[AZ]

there's footage of it on ZemTV...these lawyers are bigger thugs than actual criminals.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Shocking:3 policemen brought Gulu Butt to court.Was it lapse or police wanted public to kill GB to eliminate all evidences to save top cops?</p>— Rauf Klasra (@KlasraRauf) <a href="https://twitter.com/KlasraRauf/statuses/479539267161444352">June 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Shocking stuff by the mafia #HyenaBros

and if he was given full "protocol" then people will say oh look Shahbaz Sharif is "protecting" him.

No point dealing with people having such mindsets.


[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] if you have a question then mention or quote me, learn how to use the facilities the forum provides.

 

[Bewal Express]

there's footage of it on ZemTV...these lawyers are bigger thugs than actual criminals.



and if he was given full "protocol" then people will say oh look Shahbaz Sharif is "protecting" him.

No point dealing with people having such mindsets.


[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] if you have a question then mention or quote me, learn how to use the facilities the forum provides.

Why did the police stand and watch when the guy committed a crime? Are the police independent or not?

 

[AZ]

Why did the police stand and watch when the guy committed a crime? Are the police independent or not?

I have no idea why the hell they didn't take action, nothing short of gross negligence and not doing their duty.

Independent of what, the CM Punjab himself? I would certainly expect them to be so, he should not be having control of everything himself.

If you want to suggest that yes he in fact ordered them to open fire at the protestors, I would say that is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Bewal Express]

I have no idea why the hell they didn't take action, nothing short of gross negligence and not doing their duty.

Independent of what, the CM Punjab himself? I would certainly expect them to be so, he should not be having control of everything himself.

If you want to suggest that yes he in fact ordered them to open fire at the protestors, I would say that is absolutely ridiculous.

It's not gross negligence it's the fear of the consequences of taking action against a man from the ruling party- this is what the Sharifs have created and this guy was carrying out orders. It's so sad that an apologist lies even the truth stares him in the face- as everybody and their dog knows, the police are not independent of the CM and the Sharifs have no interest in ever allowing them to be. This whole episode was meant to be about the Sharifs using their henchman (the Police)to warn TUQ about his anti govt stance but they being political appointees had no idea how to police this,except to use excessive violence.

 

[AZ]

It's not gross negligence it's the fear of the consequences of taking action against a man from the ruling party- this is what the Sharifs have created and this guy was carrying out orders. It's so sad that an apologist lies even the truth stares him in the face- as everybody and their dog knows, the police are not independent of the CM and the Sharifs have no interest in ever allowing them to be. This whole episode was meant to be about the Sharifs using their henchman (the Police)to warn TUQ about his anti govt stance but they being political appointees had no idea how to police this,except to use excessive violence.

Wow, looks like you've got all the facts already! Fly over to Lahore and submit the evidence immediately, will surely be the end of the federal govt.

 

[waqar_ahmad]

Remember may 12 Karachi. Police stood and watched as mqm thugs fired on the protestors. Why? Coz or was planned by the govt.

Yet this time around nooras are making excuses. It's the same thing really. Govt was behind all this and police was part of it. Of course nooras will keep coming up with excuses

 

[dhump]

13 dead now including 2 women's and one 14 year old.

 

[Saeed]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1114061/i-have-asked-for-rana-sanaullahs-resignation-says-shahbaz
Shahbaz sacks Rana Sanaullah over Lahore tragedy

LAHORE: Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif on Friday said that he has asked for the resignation of the provincial Law Minister Rana Sanaullah, DawnNews reported.

The announcement comes over the outrage against a police crackdown on workers of the Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) in Lahore on Tuesday in which nine people lost their lives.

Speaking at a press conference in Lahore, the chief minister said that even though Sanaullah has performed his duties in an honest manner for 15 years, he has asked him to resign for the sake of justice.

Shahbaz Sharif also said that he has asked for the resignation of Principal Secretary to Chief Minister Punjab Dr Tauqir.

He said that even though Dr Tauqir was like a younger brother to him, the decision had to be taken as a matter of principle.

Shahbaz Sharif also said that he has ordered the arrest of the police officers involved in the shooting of the protestors.

"If there is doubt over the government's judicial inquiry on the incident, the Supreme Court can be asked to do it instead," he said.

Reacting to the announcement, PAT chief Dr Tahirul Qadri termed it a ‘drama’ by the chief minister.

“Shahbaz Shahbaz should stop this drama and resign,” he said, adding that Rana Sanaullah would soon be restored to his post.

“By taking this decision, the chief minister has proven wrong the official government statement,” he said.

Rejecting the single-member judicial commission formed by the provincial government to probe into the incident, Qadri demanded that the Supreme Court investigate the killings independently.

“This judicial commission would declare all culprits innocent,” he added.

 

[Saeed]

Now Shabaz is left brother AZ, plus we also have protests here in Manhattan, U.S. in front of UN office.

 

[Vulcan]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1114061/i-have-asked-for-rana-sanaullahs-resignation-says-shahbaz
Shahbaz sacks Rana Sanaullah over Lahore tragedy

Hahaha! Finally he wakes up. But now its too late.

 

[AZ]

Now Shabaz is left brother AZ, plus we also have protests here in Manhattan, U.S. in front of UN office.

good for you bro, hope you're protesting about a Canadian national threatening to overthrow an elected govt and inciting violence in Pakistan too.

 

[Bashira_taeli]

13 dead now including 2 women's and one 14 year old.

Unbeliavable. Truly a dark day in the history of Pakistan.




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[Blistering Barnacle]

Setting aside who was right and wrong in this case, one thing that I do agree with is the residents complaining about the barriers set up in their neighborhood.

My neighborhood in Islamabad has tons of barriers all over the place which is a real pain to navigate - because the diplomats and embassies in the area refuse to move to the diplomatic enclave which is where they should be. One road that I used all the time is closed altogether.

Meanwhile there is an ambassador's house across from mine and his security have encroached on our property by building cabins for their personnel - several of them - against the front wall of our property which is completely illegal.

They have also taken over the road (it is a dead end) so that now no visitors to my house can park along the front of our garden's wall. They went so far as to erect a barrier on the edge of my driveway - I almost banged into it one day when reversing! Telling them off etc finally got them to move that barrier a bit further away but they have still taken over the road in front of my house. And there are like 15 guys with machine guns etc hanging around there all day. Not pleasant to say the least.

The arrogance is unbelievable. I would complain to the CDA or something but I'm not sure it will make any difference.

 

[saeedhk]

Policemen cannot be arrested as they were only following someone's orders-IG Punjab

Source:ET

 

[Wattoo]

Why Double standards? Shareef family has blocked 3-4 roads, grabbed Model town society Parks, playground on the name of security. Alot of barriers around their houses in Model town. People of the area are facing difficulties.

Check the video by yourself

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1...model-town-lahore-by-akmal-ufone-youtube_news
[MENTION=19532]AZ[/MENTION]

 

[AZ]

umm, because they are elected members of govt. who have a viable, ever-present threat against their lives?

let's not ask stupid, rhetorical questions.

 

[saeedhk]

Lahore clash: IG Punjab says cannot arrest policemen for firing

LAHORE: The Inspector General Punjab on Saturday told Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif in a letter that he cannot arrest the policemen responsible for firing at Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) workers during the Model Town incident, Express News reported.

In his letter to the chief minister, IG Punjab stated that those policemen were simply “following someone’s orders”, adding that he could not arrest them for doing that.

The IG did not specify whose orders they were following.

Meanwhile, a list of the policemen who used their weapons during the clash is being compiled. According to sources, footage of the incident was acquired from private channels and is being used to identify those who opened fire.

In Tuesday’s clash between police and PAT supporters, ten people, including two women, were killed and over 80 others were injured. The bloodshed took place outside the Central Secretariat of Minhajul Quran International in the Model Town neighbourhood of Lahore.

The clashes erupted in the early hours of June 17 and continued for up to 14 hours.

The confrontation began when a 15-member police team tried to remove barriers outside the PAT leader Dr Tahirul Qadri’s residence and Adara Minhajul Quran’s Central Secretariat in Model Town Colony.

Source:http://tribune.com.pk/story/725000/lahore-clash-ig-punjab-says-cannot-arrest-policemen-for-firing/

 

[Wattoo]

umm, because they are elected members of govt. who have a viable, ever-present threat against their lives?

let's not ask stupid, rhetorical questions.

Stupid logic.

When all these block roads etc are fine for them, why not for other prominent persons??

Why troubling people of area is fine for them only???

 

[AZ]

because being "prominent" doesn't make you an elected representative.

 

[Saeed]

good for you bro, hope you're protesting about a Canadian national threatening to overthrow an elected govt and inciting violence in Pakistan too.

Absolutely. Something needs to be done about this so called democratic government before the take the lives of many others, just because they too could practice their democratic rights. People in Punjab really do need to take lessons on tolerance as jihalet will take the country no where. I bet you support N League because it has the word "muslim" in it and pass it of as Quiad's party like many others.

 

[AZ]

Absolutely. Something needs to be done about this so called democratic government before the take the lives of many others, just because they too could practice their democratic rights. People in Punjab really do need to take lessons on tolerance as jihalet will take the country no where. I bet you support N League because it has the word "muslim" in it and pass it of as Quiad's party like many others.

indeed, the democratic right of pelting the police with bricks and shooting at them from rooftops.

must have not read that part of the Constitution.

 

[Saeed]

indeed, the democratic right of pelting the police with bricks and shooting at them from rooftops.

must have not read that part of the Constitution.

People have the right to protect themselves from thugs especially when they are sent by a terrorist government.

 

[AZ]

go read the timeline of events, it was the PAT workers who were created a problem, not the police.

 

[Saeed]

Thugs went to remove the barrier not PAT workers. PAT workers were just defending themselves until Police decided that people should be killed over this no issue.

 

[carbon11]

People have the right to protect themselves from thugs especially when they are sent by a terrorist government.

Similar logic was used by lal masjid maulvi ghazi and Sufi Muhammad in swat and we all know what big disaster happened for pakistan with 50000+ dead , millions displaced.

 

[AZ]

Thugs went to remove the barrier not PAT workers. PAT workers were just defending themselves until Police decided that people should be killed over this no issue.

you clearly do not know the facts, or are just making them up to suit your point of view.

good luck to you!

 

[Saeed]

Similar logic was used by lal masjid maulvi ghazi and Sufi Muhammad in swat and we all know what big disaster happened for pakistan with 50000+ dead , millions displaced.

That is the problem, it was similar not same. We will talk about that when TUQ train 1000s of people to terrorize Pakistan, when he run away in burka(so much for jihad when we're not even suppose to run away) and when masoom bachiyaan fight for him with AK 47.

 

[Saeed]

you clearly do not know the facts, or are just making them up to suit your point of view.

good luck to you!

State the facts with sources, I will gladly accept them.

 

[waqar_ahmad]

^ You clearly dont know the facts. Facts are only known to nooras who seem to think that punjab police doesn't not take orders from punjab govt and act on their own.

Read the following post. I'm not really sure whether to call this naive, delusional or biased. Even a kid knows how heavily politicized punjab police is. Yet, you get funny statements like the following:

Independent of what, the CM Punjab himself? I would certainly expect them to be so, he should not be having control of everything himself.

 

[AZ]

State the facts with sources, I will gladly accept them.

have posted multiple articles in this thread already, read through them.



[MENTION=1665]waqar_ahmad[/MENTION] there is something called a 'chain of command' as well you know...several people come into that.

there is no logical reason for SS to order the police to fire live ammo at the protesters, and neither has this happened before since he has been CM for the past 5-6 years.

why would he do so now?

 

[Inswinger]

I have a feeling there is an immense rift growing within PML-N.

 

[Kianig89]

Nazi league they should be banned as a political party truly a barbaric act lets see what they do on 23rd

 

[waqar_ahmad]

[MENTION=19532]AZ[/MENTION]

Firstly, my comment was in response to your comment about punjab police being not under SS control. It is heavily politicized. It is not independent.

Secondly, the situation right now is much worse than it has been in the past 5-6 years when SS has been CM. Govt is in serious trouble from all sides. It was a panic reaction to teach PAT a lesson which went awfully wrong. And yes, there is a chain of command. That is why police was ordered by the govt to do what they did. There is no way the police fired at women without getting instructions from the top.

Obviously, the govt was involved. Why else was Rana asked to resign