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With almost 19,000 students from Pakistan studying in China last year, the South Asian country has risen from the ninth-largest source of China's international students to the fourth.

According to statistics released by the Chinese Ministry of Education, more than 200,000 students from 64 countries along the Belt and Road Initiative were studying in China last year, up 13.6 per cent from 2015, China Daily reported.

The number of students studying in China from countries along the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road has increased greatly under a series of preferential policies, education officials said.

"The growth rate exceeds that of China's international students as a whole," said Xu Tao, director of the ministry's Department of International Cooperation and Exchange, "as more than 440,000 students from 205 countries and regions were studying in China last year, a year-on-year rise of 11.4pc".

“A series of preferential policies drafted by the Chinese government for students from these countries have contributed to the remarkable rise in their numbers, including offering 10,000 places each year for students from countries along the Belt and Road Initiative to study in China under the support of the Chinese Government Scholarship,” Xu said.

Liu Jinghui, secretary-general of the China Scholarship Council, which administers the scholarship, said 49,000 international students from 183 countries and regions received the scholarship last year, among which those from countries along the initiative accounted for 61pc.

Xu estimated that the proportion would continue to grow next year.

Fang Jun, deputy director of Xu's department, said the ministry signed agreements with eight Chinese provinces and regions adjacent to or having close connections with countries along the initiative last year, such as the provinces of Fujian and Yunnan, and the Guangxi Zhuang and Xinjiang Uygur autonomous regions, supporting them to deepen education cooperation.

According to Xu, China has now become the largest destination for students seeking overseas studies in Asia.

Meanwhile, the number of international students in China aiming to obtain an academic degree, particularly a non-Chinese language major, is also on the rise.

Last year, about 210,000, or 47pc of international students, were in China for academic degrees. Popular choices were medicine, engineering, economics and management, Xu said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1317973/19000-pakistani-students-studying-in-chinese-universities
 
This is awesome news, because unlike the Western world China does not offer citizenship and the lure of living in China permanently is also significantly lower since the culture isn't very open and the language is a huge barrier. This means majority of the students that go to China will return.


My own first cousin went to China for aerospace engineering and was very impressed with the quality of education there. However, once he came back he never used his degree and now runs an auto-parts shop in Saddar, Karachi. :facepalm:
 
However, once he came back he never used his degree and now runs an auto-parts shop in Saddar, Karachi. :facepalm:

He's building a space shuttle with the spare parts in his spare time. Just you wait and see.
 
This is awesome news, because unlike the Western world China does not offer citizenship and the lure of living in China permanently is also significantly lower since the culture isn't very open and the language is a huge barrier. This means majority of the students that go to China will return.


My own first cousin went to China for aerospace engineering and was very impressed with the quality of education there. However, once he came back he never used his degree and now runs an auto-parts shop in Saddar, Karachi. :facepalm:

So?

As long he is earning money it doesn't matter.

Business is underrated by Pakistanis. I done law but running our own shops provides us with more money.
 
This is awesome news, because unlike the Western world China does not offer citizenship and the lure of living in China permanently is also significantly lower since the culture isn't very open and the language is a huge barrier. This means majority of the students that go to China will return.


My own first cousin went to China for aerospace engineering and was very impressed with the quality of education there. However, once he came back he never used his degree and now runs an auto-parts shop in Saddar, Karachi. :facepalm:

Don't know about the quality of engineers coming from China but the Pakistani doctors who are returning from China are quite incompetent. Pmdc has taken a lot of steps to take these people out of practice and I hope they succeed in doing so.
 
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So?

As long he is earning money it doesn't matter.

Business is underrated by Pakistanis. I done law but running our own shops provides us with more money.

I know there is alot of money in business and kudos to you for making it big with it.

But this lad is very intelligent and also has a foreign degree in an excellent field but wasting his days away by sitting in a shop. To each his own. Personally I need to work in an environment where I'm challenged everyday.
 
Man I kind of hesitated to study engineering at first, but this
Physics is mad interesting!

As for Math, I barely study and I get by on Tests on pure talent. Need to work harder for that!
 
Don't know about the quality of engineers coming from China but the Pakistani doctors who are returning from China are quite incompetent. Pmdc has taken a lot of steps to take these people out of practice and I hope they succeed in doing so.

Just thought I should expand on that a bit.

Chinese Medical schools are top class for Chinese students with adequate research potential and huge labs with unlimited budget.

Chinese medical schools with English as a teaching medium are the schools that are in it for the business. They will try to lure students from India and Pakistan and Bangladesh and as long as you have money they will award you a degree after 5 years.

PMDC is recognizing only a few Chinese medical Universities with English teaching medium because of such schools.

The students in these universities are clubbing, singing, dancing and they already know what is going to be tested on exams. So they NEVER really have to know their stuff.

When they come to Pakistan they can't even pass basic PMDC test because they haven't been really studying.

In a nutshell, a Chinese medical degree from lets say Peking Union Medical College is >> than Chandka Medical College in Pakistan because those students can speak proper English, they have learnt medicine in Chinese and have done more research than average medical Pakistani Joe.

However Capital Medical University Beijing International School most students << Chandka Medical College because they have NEVER REALLY STUDIED MEDICINE.

Just got a degree.

Hope that clears it up to people who are considering doing medicine in China. It's vastly overrated and should be avoided except in a couple of places.

Personally, I found doing medicine in Pakistan much harder but that could be dependent on quality of institution.
 
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Just thought I should expand on that a bit.

Chinese Medical schools are top class for Chinese students with adequate research potential and huge labs with unlimited budget.

Chinese medical schools with English as a teaching medium are the schools that are in it for the business. They will try to lure students from India and Pakistan and Bangladesh and as long as you have money they will award you a degree after 5 years.

PMDC is recognizing only a few Chinese medical Universities with English teaching medium because of such schools.

The students in these universities are clubbing, singing, dancing and they already know what is going to be tested on exams. So they NEVER really have to know their stuff.

When they come to Pakistan they can't even pass basic PMDC test because they haven't been really studying.

In a nutshell, a Chinese medical degree from lets say Peking Union Medical College is >> than Chandka Medical College in Pakistan because those students can speak proper English, they have learnt medicine in Chinese and have done more research than average medical Pakistani Joe.

However Capital Medical University Beijing International School most students << Chandka Medical College because they have NEVER REALLY STUDIED MEDICINE.

Just got a degree.

Hope that clears it up to people who are considering doing medicine in China. It's vastly overrated and should be avoided except in a couple of places.

Personally, I found doing medicine in Pakistan much harder but that could be dependent on quality of institution.

That's a very informative post.

Did you go to China for specialization or just for practice?
 
This is awesome news, because unlike the Western world China does not offer citizenship and the lure of living in China permanently is also significantly lower since the culture isn't very open and the language is a huge barrier. This means majority of the students that go to China will return.


My own first cousin went to China for aerospace engineering and was very impressed with the quality of education there. However, once he came back he never used his degree and now runs an auto-parts shop in Saddar, Karachi. :facepalm:

I'm not sure about Pakistan but academically , education from China isn't very transferable . One of my good friends here in Toronto went to med school in China and CMA does not even honor that degree or recognizes it as a medical degree.
 
Hopefully numbers will go up.

Isn't there a govt. project of sending 10 000 students to do their PhDs in the US, in the years to come ? Academically that could be a "silent revolution", if the majority does come back that is.

Ideally all of this should have happened in the 60s/70s and Pak would have been totally different today.
 
This is awesome news, because unlike the Western world China does not offer citizenship and the lure of living in China permanently is also significantly lower since the culture isn't very open and the language is a huge barrier. This means majority of the students that go to China will return.


My own first cousin went to China for aerospace engineering and was very impressed with the quality of education there. However, once he came back he never used his degree and now runs an auto-parts shop in Saddar, Karachi. :facepalm:

1) How did he even decide to go off to China? (Also dont count Hong Kong here. Did he go to HK?)
2) Do you think maybe the Pakistan market or employers dont rate Chinese degrees that much and that may have sth with him running an auto parts shop? (Its most likel he makes good money anyway but just wondering)
 
1) How did he even decide to go off to China? (Also dont count Hong Kong here. Did he go to HK?)
2) Do you think maybe the Pakistan market or employers dont rate Chinese degrees that much and that may have sth with him running an auto parts shop? (Its most likel he makes good money anyway but just wondering)

1) No he did not go to HK. Some university in Shenzhen city, the name of the university is too hard for me to remember.

2) His family already had an auto-parts import/export business and he just got involved with them without looking for a job in his field. Granted the scope of aerospace engineering is very, very limited in Pakistan. One advantage of him going to China was that they teach all foreign students Mandarin over the course of their degree and he is fluent in the language now. He also built many business contacts while he was there and now he gets preferred and cheaper than market rates which is allowing his business to boom.
 
... plus there's the space shuttle prototype in the store room...
 
2) His family already had an auto-parts import/export business and he just got involved with them without looking for a job in his field. Granted the scope of aerospace engineering is very, very limited in Pakistan. One advantage of him going to China was that they teach all foreign students Mandarin over the course of their degree and he is fluent in the language now. He also built many business contacts while he was there and now he gets preferred and cheaper than market rates which is allowing his business to boom.

Thatscool. Atleast he is using some things he learnt there. And Manadarin is arguably the hardest mainstream language so knowing it is a big deal

Also this is story of many folks who go abroad for uni and come back and handle dad's businesss esp folks who go to UK ive noticed
 
19,000 is very few indeed. We need to build our educational institutions to a first class level. I am hoping the next elections will be the turning point for a new Pakistan.
 
Hong Kong is obviously a better choice for Pakistani students; many students from Pakistan especially Karachi are here in Hong Kong on scholarships.

HK universities are English-medium and they are globally renowned. Dentistry Faculty of HKU is better than that of Oxford, MIT and Cambridge. Four HK universities in top 60 universities of the world; an enormous feat if you consider the size and population of Hong Kong.
 
19,000 is very few indeed. We need to build our educational institutions to a first class level. I am hoping the next elections will be the turning point for a new Pakistan.

But Sir aren't you on record of having said that you have no hope from IK, or you expect people who have been ruling for 30-40 years to bring new Pakistan?
 
I know there is alot of money in business and kudos to you for making it big with it.

But this lad is very intelligent and also has a foreign degree in an excellent field but wasting his days away by sitting in a shop. To each his own. Personally I need to work in an environment where I'm challenged everyday.

Its not you, society has brainwashed us to assume that this is the right thing.
 
That's a very informative post.

Did you go to China for specialization or just for practice?

I went there for postgraduate Mphil Program, but I ditched the program when I found that instead of doing such a program on scholarship I would be much better suited to learn mainstream Mandarin and become a General Practitioner.

Which is precisely what I did over the years.

Beijing is one of the dirt cheap cities to live with potential for unlimited saving because housing costs are lesser than lets say Singapore, Hong Kong, Dubai and other influential cities.

Considering that I knew I had to support a family at some point I quickly learnt Medical Chinese faster than Conversational Chinese and the payday is much higher for foreigners who can speak the language.

The only disadvantage is that West doesn't see your practice in China as equivalent to Ireland, Australia or New Zealand etc as comparative medicine.

So if you plan on staying in China all the time, it is a great place to practice medicine with potential for unlimited savings if you learn the language.

Incidentally, when I came here 4-5 years back I never thought I would stay as long as I did, but I did, because of living costs and quality of life.

But in those 4 years I also have realized that my experience is not going to count for much if I want to practice in Western equipped General Practice Centers.

Which is why its kind of time for me to go.

Will Miss Beijing though.
 
Hong Kong is obviously a better choice for Pakistani students; many students from Pakistan especially Karachi are here in Hong Kong on scholarships.

HK universities are English-medium and they are globally renowned. Dentistry Faculty of HKU is better than that of Oxford, MIT and Cambridge. Four HK universities in top 60 universities of the world; an enormous feat if you consider the size and population of Hong Kong.

How about the stay expenses? isn't Hong Kong very expensive?? Do they provide full scholarships?
 
But Sir aren't you on record of having said that you have no hope from IK, or you expect people who have been ruling for 30-40 years to bring new Pakistan?

IK is the best from the current lot which is what I have always maintained. This is not to say that I will be dancing with joy if he ever became PM. Next thing he will be doing is giving our Kashmir to India and opening offices for the Taliban in Islamabad. I don't expect anything from NS now other then to try to save himself before the next elections.
 
I went there for postgraduate Mphil Program, but I ditched the program when I found that instead of doing such a program on scholarship I would be much better suited to learn mainstream Mandarin and become a General Practitioner.

Which is precisely what I did over the years.

Beijing is one of the dirt cheap cities to live with potential for unlimited saving because housing costs are lesser than lets say Singapore, Hong Kong, Dubai and other influential cities.

Considering that I knew I had to support a family at some point I quickly learnt Medical Chinese faster than Conversational Chinese and the payday is much higher for foreigners who can speak the language.

The only disadvantage is that West doesn't see your practice in China as equivalent to Ireland, Australia or New Zealand etc as comparative medicine.

So if you plan on staying in China all the time, it is a great place to practice medicine with potential for unlimited savings if you learn the language.

Incidentally, when I came here 4-5 years back I never thought I would stay as long as I did, but I did, because of living costs and quality of life.

But in those 4 years I also have realized that my experience is not going to count for much if I want to practice in Western equipped General Practice Centers.

Which is why its kind of time for me to go.

Will Miss Beijing though.



Doctor, how good are the Chinese Universities? I mean the teaching and infra-wise? Are the degree recognised in other countries?
 
Chinese medical degree is not recognised in India.

That's a completely false assumption.

Chinese medical degrees OF ONLY SELECT MEDICAL COLLEGES are recognized both by India and Pakistan.

Most students after getting degree have to pass the PMDC and MCI exams before going into practice. How do you propose they are practicing if their degree is not recognized?
 
Doctor, how good are the Chinese Universities? I mean the teaching and infra-wise? Are the degree recognised in other countries?

Infrastructure wise, unlimited potential.

Teaching wise, I suggest you look somewhere else.

Yes the degree is recognized if you do it from IMED World Directory colleges in China.
 
That's a completely false assumption.

Chinese medical degrees OF ONLY SELECT MEDICAL COLLEGES are recognized both by India and Pakistan.

Most students after getting degree have to pass the PMDC and MCI exams before going into practice. How do you propose they are practicing if their degree is not recognized?

Of-course they can practise after passing the Medical Council of India (MCI) exam but the fact of the matter is that Most of the people armed with these Chinese and Russian medical degrees are not able to pass the MCI exam, Around 80% of such "Doctors" fail the exam every year. But its India, so many of them keep practicing illegally in their little clinics, only good thing is not a single well known or even medium size corporate hospital will give them any job.
 
Infrastructure wise, unlimited potential.

Teaching wise, I suggest you look somewhere else.

Yes the degree is recognized if you do it from IMED World Directory colleges in China.

I hear Cuba is an EXCELLENT place to study medical in. What a surprise.
 
Good if you like authentic Chinese food otherwise I would say, get a real education.
 
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