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Facing England in England, Australia in Australia and NZ in NZ is no walk in the park. Sri Lanka was Mickey Arthur's stubbornness, WI defeat was inexcusable. Test team is going through a transition and Sarfaraz needs to up his game as a leader in test matches.
Pak found some exciting talent suitable for ODI cricket. These players have to adopt to Test Cricket too if Pak has to win more consistently.
Hasan Ali is excellent in both ODI's and Tests from what I have seen. How the likes of Shadab Khan perform in upcoming Tests (excluding England series) decides the fate of Pak Test team. I know Shadab is not the first choice spinner, but he needs to up his game for tests.
Hasan Ali/Shadab/Faheem/Zaman(if given a chance) have to be at their best if Pak is going to win more often than not.
Hasan Ali is excellent in both ODI's and Tests from what I have seen. How the likes of Shadab Khan perform in upcoming Tests (excluding England series) decides the fate of Pak Test team. I know Shadab is not the first choice spinner, but he needs to up his game for tests.
Hasan Ali/Shadab/Faheem/Zaman(if given a chance) have to be at their best if Pak is going to win more often than not.
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The young team will do fine, have patience and give them time.
SL defeats were due to some tactical mistakes (mainly because of not playing 2 spinners and changing Azhar's position). I like Mickey but the guy has done some tactical mistakes as also seen for Karachi Kings. 3 seasons majority star players but havent reached a single final. He needs to understand our cricket in a different way. But he is on right track.
SL defeats were due to some tactical mistakes (mainly because of not playing 2 spinners and changing Azhar's position). I like Mickey but the guy has done some tactical mistakes as also seen for Karachi Kings. 3 seasons majority star players but havent reached a single final. He needs to understand our cricket in a different way. But he is on right track.
It is obvious that over the past year or so, all the focus has been on developing a strong limited overs side. We saw a clear shift in prioritize when Pakistan's automatic qualification for the WC 2019 was in doubt. Arthur also made it clear from the first day he stepped in as coach that his focus is on developing a strong unit for the upcoming WC. During this time, test cricket took a back seat and the retirement of YK and Misbah obviously did not help either.
Personally, I feel like this is the right approach for the time-being. WC is just around the corner and it would be nice to step into a big tournament with adequate preparation for a change. The ODI team is already on an upwards trend and so will be the Test team once the WC is over.
Personally, I feel like this is the right approach for the time-being. WC is just around the corner and it would be nice to step into a big tournament with adequate preparation for a change. The ODI team is already on an upwards trend and so will be the Test team once the WC is over.
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Yes that is Pakistan's level. Losing to Sri Lanka in the UAE was the worst of it all. That being said, it's not all bad. There is some hope when you look at some of the talent coming through. The likes of Babar Azam, Hasan Ali, Talat Hussain, Shaheen Afridi, Shadab Khan etc should give us some hope. A lot will also depend on how well they are able to adapt to test cricket and how much ambition they have.
The good thing for Pakistan is that they have a good coach and captain combo currently.
The good thing for Pakistan is that they have a good coach and captain combo currently.
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Our test team is going through a transition after the retirement of Misbah and Younis. I don't think people in Pakistan really care about test cricket if I'm being honest. PCB certainly doesn't as you can see from the amount of tests we play.
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We should just focus on becoming HTBs. Not even the “Number 1 ranked” teams win away from home these days
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Me thinks the young team will do better than the old teams overseas but Asia mai we will struggle a bit due to not having a world class player of spin like Younis.
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Probably true. But still don’t think we will be able to beat sides like Australia and South Africa in their homes for the time being.
We should definitely be able to beat England, NZ, Australia, SA at home though.
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Yes we need to be dominate in UAE. It's disappointing we haven't even won against the big sides in the UAE consistently in LO.
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The SL series of course should never have been lost but in those 11 tests 3 are vs AUS.
Even our greatest players couldnt win tests in AUS.
Even our greatest players couldnt win tests in AUS.
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Going forward I’d be very surprised if we didn’t win consistently against top teams in UAE LOIs.
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Depends on how consistent we are with the kids.. Agr isi tara rona dhona, chopping changing and players mocking chalti rahi to mushkil hai.. These are just youngsters why are we not patient to give them some time? Sorry but thats not how you develop teams.
Once the likes of Haris, Babar, Usman, Saad etc get experience they wont let us down and I am hopeful they will do well in SA and Australia.. Bowling ka kuch kh nai sktay
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That is Pakistan's level and will probably continue to be so for the near future. Name one Pakistani batsman that is consistent and can score hundreds other Azhar. Name one Pakistani bowler that can consistently take wickets other than Yasir.
Until Babar, Amir, Shafiq and Hasan perform consistently, this will continue
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Players prefer Limited overs these days, far more LO talent than test. Not really strong in any aspect in test. Mickey's a pretty poor coach too, lots of tactical mistakes e.g. not picking a second spinner, promoting Azhar to open etc.
I think we've let the champions trophy go to our head. We still aren't getting consistent results. The main difference that's changed has been Sarfraz as captain who is much better tactically than Azhar. Mickey couldn't do anything with Azhar either. There's a reason why he keeps failing with Karachi Kings yet Sarfraz gets his average quetta side far every time.
Mickey isn't getting the best out of the guys either. The guys performing are guys who are new to international cricket who started the ground running. A mark of a good coach is when you can see improvements in the regular players/after they get worked out. Which I don't see.
I think we've let the champions trophy go to our head. We still aren't getting consistent results. The main difference that's changed has been Sarfraz as captain who is much better tactically than Azhar. Mickey couldn't do anything with Azhar either. There's a reason why he keeps failing with Karachi Kings yet Sarfraz gets his average quetta side far every time.
Mickey isn't getting the best out of the guys either. The guys performing are guys who are new to international cricket who started the ground running. A mark of a good coach is when you can see improvements in the regular players/after they get worked out. Which I don't see.
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Pakistani's are smartnin one aspect, most don't care about test cricket. They know it's boring, silly and a meme outside cricketing world.
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Lack of succession planning and players not being picked on merit are the two reasons for our downfall. The LOI formats cover these weaknesses as you don't need the best of the best to whack a ball, hacks can do the job. But when hacks play test cricket, they get exposed.
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We are simply not good enough to win. There's not a single bowler or batsman in the side that could get into the World XI. Or the captain/WK. Include Warner and Smith, and I doubt even Azhar could get into a 16 member squad for a World XI.
With most of those Tests played abroad, which team could win more matches?
With most of those Tests played abroad, which team could win more matches?
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And yet in 2016 Azhar, Sarfaraz and Yasir were in the ICC xi if I am not wrong
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Which you won't achieve by shelling tests to the likes of Lanka and the West Indies in Dubai.
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That would be an improvement.
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this covered most of the bases well i think. mickey is a rather poor Test coach one senses also from his selection preferences. i cant but help think that if rahat is in the team yet again, it is in some part because mickey has an inexplicable soft spot for him.
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Several reasons
- Mickey is a poor test coach.
- We have lost Misbah and Younis with NO replacements (I know they did play in a few of these test matches)
- Majority of those losses have been on foreign tours
- Extremely poor domestic cricket structure
- Mickey is a poor test coach.
- We have lost Misbah and Younis with NO replacements (I know they did play in a few of these test matches)
- Majority of those losses have been on foreign tours
- Extremely poor domestic cricket structure
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I'm not sure about 2016, but Azhar is #10, Sarfraz is #38.
I didn't have Yasir in mind because of his injury. Even so, he's the 5th among spinners in Test rankings.
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Why is it Mickey's fault that Pakistan are just not playing well on the field? It's not their tactics, no one should need motivation to play for the national side, but it's their shameful batting, and often underwhelming bowling.
Mickey came to coach, not produce Test batsmen through wizardry. He can't bat for the players, and no matter how much or how little a coach does, it's the batsman who has to prize his wicket.
Mickey came to coach, not produce Test batsmen through wizardry. He can't bat for the players, and no matter how much or how little a coach does, it's the batsman who has to prize his wicket.
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Mickey likes players with previous international experience. He called up umar akmal and Irfan before realising they weren't fit enough and booted them out. People also forget Mickey stuck with Shehzad for a long time before playing Fakhar. He had the option to play Fakhar at the start of the CT but he chose not to. Shehzad had to fail yet again so spectacularly to force his hand. Then Mickey getting credit for Fakhar playing lol, when everyone else would have played him games before. Same way as he didn't want to play a 2nd spinner against SL, no one was seasoned and he knew very little about them. Did the same thing with Haris, took him ages to get in the side, reluctant to replace the more experienced middle order players. Wanted Azhar to play 3 as looking at his history he's a no.3 player. I could go on, he always makes the "safe choice". I remember when people were complaining about team selection Inzi replied that's why there are others in the squad. Mickey was just slow to try out replacements.
Personally it really feels Mickey knows nothing of past Pakistani cricket or domestic. Every Pak fan could have told you that Irfan struggled to bowl 10 overs, but somehow was a surprise to Mickey when he actually tested him out.
Mickey makes crucial team selection mistakes (I still can't get over he didn't play a 2nd spinner in those conditions, madness), doesn't identify talent, knows nothing about domestic, players fitness is degrading with him in charge (Imad, Sarfraz), classless comments against players in the media (even if Riaz wasn't performing well, he was trying, Mickey had no right to make comments like that against a player especially when he doesn't do it to the more seasoned seniors e.g. Hafeez, Malik) . I do wonder what he actually does, or what people give him credit for.
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Our top batsman can only perform against the Windies mainly. That therein lies our real problem..
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Our batting talent is woefully inadequate for a top test team. We talk a lot about how players like Rohit should never be allowed close to the Indian test team, but on current stats he would walk into our line-up.
Huge vacuum with the retirements of Misbah/Younis as well. Azhar and Asad being your premier test batsman doesn't really strike fear into your opponents. And Babar has been extremely poor to say the least. Our bowling hasn't also won us the same number of matches as we would like, with Yasir being the only consistent threat in most cases.
Huge vacuum with the retirements of Misbah/Younis as well. Azhar and Asad being your premier test batsman doesn't really strike fear into your opponents. And Babar has been extremely poor to say the least. Our bowling hasn't also won us the same number of matches as we would like, with Yasir being the only consistent threat in most cases.
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Our Test team is in the dumps at the moment. The batting is inexperienced and shaky, and the fact that someone like Azhar is the leading batsman says it all. The bowling is largely dependent on a 33 year old unfit leg-spinner who gets hammered when the conditions don't suit him, and a bunch of toothless fast bowlers who don't seem capable of buying a wicket.
Considering our tough schedule over the next year or so, we are going to flogged, especially in England and South Africa. A Smith-less Australia is beatable in the UAE though, especially because Yasir would be in his comfort-zone.
It has been clear for around two years now that the priority of Mickey and the management is to improve our LOI teams. Test cricket has taken a backseat, and the main objective at this point is the World Cup next year. In addition, the Champions Trophy fluke has reinforced our dedication to ODI cricket.
Considering our tough schedule over the next year or so, we are going to flogged, especially in England and South Africa. A Smith-less Australia is beatable in the UAE though, especially because Yasir would be in his comfort-zone.
It has been clear for around two years now that the priority of Mickey and the management is to improve our LOI teams. Test cricket has taken a backseat, and the main objective at this point is the World Cup next year. In addition, the Champions Trophy fluke has reinforced our dedication to ODI cricket.
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Which is not a bad thing.
The Pakistani public would much rather have a CT or WC victory than a #1 Test ranking for a continuous period.
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We need to build a team for shorter formats. Test cricket is on its way out no matter how much we dislike it.
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Definitely. Test cricket is dead, and the general public does not care about them. Our players look more interested in Limited Overs cricket as well.
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Misbah and YK should have been phased out one at a time really with new players been integrated into the side in an ideal world. Also playing three tough away series in a row was always going to mean results would change.
The losing at "home" to SL is the one series which is hard to stomach. I think the team will struggle to beat sides in UAE as well as away from home now until the side starts to form a solid batting unit again.
Spot on
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Waqar never got to tour AUS,NZ
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this. How did the PCB let both of them retire together? that was stupid. The lanka series was a very hard to stomach because we should be a better side than them. but we really need to rebuild our middle order and it looks like it will revolve around shafiq, babar and haris..if these three can start hitting runs, with azhar up top we can be competitive again. I am looking at five to six years to really judge the test team. We just need to get back to being hard to beat like misbah made us..
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It is pretty obvious that Younis retired as a retaliation to the captaincy snub. He had eyes on leading the team for a couple of years after Misbah, and the PCB side-stepping him clearly did not go down well with him.
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How is that pretty obvious btw
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He expressed his desire to lead the team after Misbah in multiple interviews, and Shahryar Khan himself stated in an interview that Younis was expecting to be handed over the captaincy in Tests.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...an-retired-as-he-wasn-t-offered-the-captaincy
I do think he would have played for another couple of years if he would have been offered the captaincy.
No doubt about it.
At first he hinted he didn't want the captaincy after Misbah, but then he came out whining that he had not been offered the role by the PCB.
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No doubt YK wanted the captaincy but no he actually wanted to play on however PCB made him and Misbah retire after the WI tour.
If it was left to both players they would have continued playing today evident from Misbah's PSL commitments despite being a below par T20 batsman.
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It could only get worse with time.
Will take a good while before the Test side will settle and produce results.
Will take a good while before the Test side will settle and produce results.
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Apart from the ireland tests with our flimsy batting its difficult to see us winning to many test matches in the near future.
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The Test team is fine they need some reliable batsmen in the side and they would be good.
Babar clearly isnt working in the middle-lower order. Maybe they should give him one last chance at the top of the order against the new ball and see if he is better suited here before discarding him for a better option.
They definetly need another middle order player willing to bat for a long time. I would try this line up and see how it goes for a year..
Babar
Sami
Azhar
Harris
Asad
Sarfaraz
Faheem
Shadab
I really dont think there is any risk in letting this work for a bit
Babar clearly isnt working in the middle-lower order. Maybe they should give him one last chance at the top of the order against the new ball and see if he is better suited here before discarding him for a better option.
They definetly need another middle order player willing to bat for a long time. I would try this line up and see how it goes for a year..
Babar
Sami
Azhar
Harris
Asad
Sarfaraz
Faheem
Shadab
I really dont think there is any risk in letting this work for a bit
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