ICC Champions Trophy 2025: Pakistan vs India | Match 05 | Dubai | February 23 | Pre-Match Discussion

It's giving me CT17 final vibes.
No one gave any chance to Pak against India but Pak surprised everyone.

Though team India is definitely favourite on paper but I wouldn't be surprised if Pak wins on Sunday. Nothing is impossible with this Indian team.
In CT first round India won. Also not a must win game for India here. But it is for Pakistan.
 
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Inzamam-ul-Haq speaking during a show:

"There is always pressure. When you play just one match a year, that pressure is amplified. Nowadays, with so much cricket being broadcast, players watch each other closely. Earlier, we approached it as a team game; whichever team had the better balance had the upper hand."

“India has had a strong team in recent years, especially with all-rounders like Ravindra Jadeja and Hardik Pandya providing balance in the lower order. In subcontinent conditions, having such players makes a huge difference. Even now, the team with better balance will have the edge."
 
Well if Pakistan wins toss and put around 300
We might have a good chance
Chasing in Dubai not easy with no dew

Imam
Usman
Babar
Rizwan
Salman
Kamran
Khushdil
Shaheen
Rauf
Naseem
Abrar

Let's hope for the best 🤞
 
In CT first round INdia won. Also not a must win game for India here. But it is for Pakistan.
I am not comparing tournament progress of India and Pak with current CT and CT17. It's just that people writting off one team before the match is not something I like.
It's sports and any team can win on a given day if things go their way.
Hence I don't want to be overconfident.
 
Forget India, there’s no hope with this half cooked team. I am more interested in the Pakistan-Bangladesh match. There’s a very high possibility Pakistan will lose to Bangladesh. I am looking forward to the drama.
 
Boomrah is the leader. Without him, they are directionless and can't hold the fort on their own especially if there's brutal onslaught
Our bowling already exposed against Bangladesh in the middle overs . We didn't take a single wicket from 11th to 40th overs.

Rizwan, Saud ,Agha etc are better players against spinners .

:kp
 
Haris Rauf during media interaction:

"All the boys are fine and focused on the next match [against India]. Today, we have our first practice session here in Dubai, and we will try to have a good practice so that everyone gets to see a great match."

"There is no pressure. Everyone is relaxed. It’s just a normal match, and we will treat it as such."

"Alhamdulillah, my fitness is fine. You must have seen in the last match that I bowled 10 overs, which means I was fit."

"No doubt, we have beaten India twice here in Dubai. We will try to play cricket the same way we did in those matches and make the most of the conditions."

"Pakistan’s pace attack has always performed well against India, but at the moment, we will assess the conditions and see what they demand. Sometimes, spin-friendly tracks are prepared, but the goal is to utilize the conditions in the best possible way."

"When we go onto the ground, we will see what the pitch demands, and we, as a bowling unit, will deliver accordingly against any batter."
 
Man to Man Ind v Pak Comparison

Rohit , Imam , 1-0
Gill, Usman, 2-0
Vk, Babar, 3-0
Iyer, Riz, 4-0
Axar, Agha Tie
Rahul, TT, 5-0
Jadeja, Khusdil , 6-0
Pandya , Rauf , 7-0
Shami, SSA, 8-0
Rana, Naseem 8-1
Kuldeep, Abrar, 9-1

So India ahead with a whopping 9-1 :klopp

In 2017 also, we were better.
We all know what happpened in the final.
 
lot of my fellow Indian fan and media prediciting 'easy win' ...am sick of it....
I'd expect with what has gone on in recent times, PK to come out with aggro and firing....
Don't think we'll see 22/2 in first pp, even if no FZ or Saim A - i guess they will take a punt and put the emirates-UAE guy-cant recall name or Imam and tell them to go for the tall timber from the start...
What i didnt like about India was their intensity flagged after hitman clanged that catch and we lost golden chance to obliterate the opposition from 35/5 and get a good +ve RR. Even if Shami got the fiver - i still dont think he's back to 2023 odi vintage, Hardik is bog average bowler, Rana still learnign the ropes, Ravi jdz is declining as a bowler, Kulli is a bit of a hit and miss.
Just hope our guys do not get too gung ho and focus on doing the basics right...
Lastly, this wont be a one sided by any means....
 
Agreed that PCT in current form and without Fakhar has extremely limited chance of beating India.

However the small consolation is that chasing not easy and no dew impact in Dubai.

If a team bats first and scores 270+ then they will be odds on favourites to defend it. This is not impossible for Pak.

Against a sans Bumrah attack, it is also clear that about 80-90 runs can easily be taken in the last 10 ovs off seamers, so Pak's template should be to get to 130-140 for say 2 down after 30 ovs and look to double up. Ironically they need Babar to block out the noise and play the anchor same as he did in NZ game.
Haha what? Dubai is a chase haven. Teams chasing win it by far than teams batting first.
 
Former India captain and ex-BCCI President Sourav Ganguly spoke at an event:

“India is a powerful white-ball team and has dominated Pakistan in recent times. For me, India are the favourites for the tournament. It won’t be easy for Pakistan. Having watched the game yesterday, the wicket also isn’t easy. It’s not a typical batting surface, so bowlers—especially spinners—will have a big role. The Dubai pitch is two-paced, so I don’t see 300-run totals being scored here.”

“Recent India-Pakistan games have been one-sided affairs. Pakistan will have to play much better to match India.”

“I think India will go with the same bowling combination that played against Bangladesh. Harshit Rana has bowled well, and Mohammed Shami is surely returning to his best. I think the Dubai pitch will offer some turn, so I see all three spinners—Axar Patel, Ravindra Jadeja, and Kuldeep Yadav—keeping their places.”
 
Pakistan has zero chance of even competing here, with the entire batting line-up ready to tuk tuk.

Only way our batters score any runs tomorrow is if Indian bowlers get bored and deliberately start bowling wides and no-balls.

Our bowling will disappoint aswell, as usual.

I think this will be an even easier game than the Bangladesh one for India.
 
Agreed not good thing but they knew in advance. They could have kept India first (loss) , Bangladesh second (win) and NZ last (win or loss but alive till this game).
Dumb schedule to keep NZ and India first 2.
Yah, it was a poor idea to play for Pakistan to have games against NZ and Ind so quckly within few days of starting the tournament.
 
For India to win, just choke the Pakistan top order batsman by not giving runs and ensure not to take wickets of babar and Rizwan quickly..Bcos real batters are batting at the bottom.. while batting, pak fast bowlers mileage is short..if you negotiate them for first few overs, then they will run out of gas and starts leaking runs.. spinners can be negotiated, except for Kohli..
 
I expect Pakistan to get humiliated on Sunday.

Considering how Naqvi looks for scapegoats to save his second seat he will sacrifice Rizwan which will mean the end of Rizwan in ODI's as captain.
 
But this is the Pakistan team... they can surprise us all out of nowhere at any time.
UAE conditions will suit pakistan style Of batting where 270-80 is winning score .

Indian team is also have some passenger's. Match is 50-50.

All depends on how Pakistan bowl in the first 15 overs , if they can reduced india to 30-3 than Pakistan is Likely to win.
:kp
 
Such a huge mistake Pakistan made by not selecting a better pace all rounder than Faheem and a spinner.

If Pakistan had selected Jahandad or Jamal and Sufyan or Faisal. They could've had this combo right now.

1. Opener 1
2. Opener 2
3. Babar
4. Rizwan (wk)
5. Salman
6. Tayyab
7. Jahandad / Jamal
8. Shaheen
9. Naseem / Haris
10. Abrar
11. Sufyan / Faisal
 
Bowling Predictions

Shaheen - 10-0-73-2
Naseem - 10-1-58-1
Haris - 10-0-83-2
Abrar - 10-0-48-1
Khushdil - 6-0-52-0
Agha - 4-0-29-0

EXTRAS - 15

INDIA - 358-6 (50)
Why follow the game if you are feeling so hopeless.

Pakistan is not Uganda for God’s sake.

We recently defeated Australia in Australia and SA in SA.

Think positively or quit watching the game.
 
India are favourites, Pakistan are lacking confidence & balance, they are a bowler short , team likely will be

Imam
Babar
KG
Rizwan
Agha
TT
Khusdil
SSA
------------

Ideally KG & TT should face as many deliveries possible
 
Almost confirmed with the line up.

Imam
Usman
Babar
Rizwan
Salman
Tayyab/Ghulam
Khusdik
Shaheen
Naseem
Haris
Abrar
 
Pakistan should surprise India and play a 4th pacer in Husnain. Dont think Abrar will give any sleepless nights to Indian batters.

My XI:

Usman
Imam
Babar
Riz
Agha
Tayyab
Khushdil
Shaheen
Naseem
Rauf
Hasnain
 
Man you Pak supporters are negative. Have some faith in your team or stop supporting them, if you call this 'supporting' in the first place.

Yes, yes, we can criticise ... blah blah blah, balance it out.
 
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Low scoring pitches tend to reduce the gap between teams so hoping that may work in our favour.

Not gonna lie, my expectations are very low even with a Bumrah-less India.
 
Low scoring pitches tend to reduce the gap between teams so hoping that may work in our favour.

Not gonna lie, my expectations are very low even with a Bumrah-less India.

If Pakistan have the full team available, gap isn't that huge in ODI format. They won ODI series in Australia and South Africa. They reached final of the tri-series too.

India have regressed in ODI. They had to huff and puff to get a win against BD. The series they won against England came against a depleted English side.

Pakistan currently don't have Saim and Fakhar. So, they are quite depleted. :inti
 
Exactly already cost them in 2019 and 2023. They need to play another batter instead of Axar.

It's a simple fact that everyone seems to gloss over. Even our T20 cricket became a lot stronger once we started playing the extra batter

We need to play another batter who can bowl some part time spin .
 
It's going to come down to two possible combinations. Either they drown out the noise and play their best possible team:

1) Imam
2) Usman
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Salman
6) Tayyab
7) Khushdil
8) Shaheen
9) Naseem
10) Haris
11) Abrar

Or they play a team best suited for the conditions in Dubai and the Indian players:

1) Babar
2) Imam
3) Saud
4) Rizwan
5) Salman
6) Tayyab
7) Khushdil
8) Faheem
9) Shaheen
10) Naseem
11) Abrar

Can't say which team or approach is better. At the end of the day, the players need to be at their best and bring the fight to India.
 
i think india could have been in trouble if pakistan had goos spinners.. abrar seems ok type.. if the part timers chip in we can get a fight..i dont see indian batters playing well on a sluggish track
 
It's going to come down to two possible combinations. Either they drown out the noise and play their best possible team:

1) Imam
2) Usman
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Salman
6) Tayyab
7) Khushdil
8) Shaheen
9) Naseem
10) Haris
11) Abrar

Or they play a team best suited for the conditions in Dubai and the Indian players:

1) Babar
2) Imam
3) Saud
4) Rizwan
5) Salman
6) Tayyab
7) Khushdil
8) Faheem
9) Shaheen
10) Naseem
11) Abrar

Can't say which team or approach is better. At the end of the day, the players need to be at their best and bring the fight to India.
the first one looks more balanced because adding faheem ashraf netiher help ur batting or bowling
 
It's going to come down to two possible combinations. Either they drown out the noise and play their best possible team:

1) Imam
2) Usman
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Salman
6) Tayyab
7) Khushdil
8) Shaheen
9) Naseem
10) Haris
11) Abrar

Or they play a team best suited for the conditions in Dubai and the Indian players:

1) Babar
2) Imam
3) Saud
4) Rizwan
5) Salman
6) Tayyab
7) Khushdil
8) Faheem
9) Shaheen
10) Naseem
11) Abrar

Can't say which team or approach is better. At the end of the day, the players need to be at their best and bring the fight to India.
i think it will be a 275 type match ..saud should play he is a good player of spin and india might play 3 spinners
 
i think it will be a 275 type match ..saud should play he is a good player of spin and india might play 3 spinners

Yes.

First game in Dubai had a somewhat of a sluggish pitch. 270-280 was par. I think it would be the same in PAK-IND too.

280 should be a good score.
 
If PCT don’t win against a Bumrah-Less India with atleast two passengers then when only you will?

Rohit’s fielding is a joke, his captaincy isn’t that good either nowadays. Kohli’s form is also a joke.

Beating Bangladesh is easy , they even lose to an Indian team with Binny, Pakistan hopefully has more in them.
 
tehre is pandya jadeja and axar.. how much more batting do they need.. harshit rana at no 9 can also bat.. another batter means only 5 bowling option whcih could be risky
3 of them are hit or miss, this strategy relies on top 3 scoring big, which hasn’t worked for India esp now with Rohit and Kohli at end of their careers.

India wins tournaments when their middle order is strong.. always been the case.
 
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I will take a 145 kph bowler any day of the week.
 
My biggest fear? Imam crawls to a 50 off 75 balls in a 300+ run chase, we still get thrashed, and suddenly he's the tragic hero who’s been "wronged" all along and will be given an extended 5 year run.
 
3 of them are hit or miss, this strategy relies on top 3 scoring big, which hasn’t worked for India esp now with Rohit and Kohli at end of their careers.

India wins tournaments when their middle order is strong.. always been the case.
iyer kl and pandya al ready are good batters.. what happened in 1983 or 2011 is not likely to work today because in those teams they ahd batters who could roll their arms and pitches were also different..jadeja has got good batting experience and axar already won t20 wc final with his batting.. i am not sure india has any extra batter apart from pant in 15 and he is bigger hit or miss than pandya or jadeja..
 
My biggest fear? Imam crawls to a 50 off 75 balls in a 300+ run chase, we still get thrashed, and suddenly he's the tragic hero who’s been "wronged" all along and will be given an extended 5 year run.
The planners have already planned this, the script's been written to ensure Imam plays after CT - thats the whole plan. CT is not the focus but ensuring the client get its contract lengthened and place in the team. You will see Saud, Ghulam booted out. And the Saya mafia will get further entrenched.

Either this or Aqib goes ballastic and has Mohsin's support to root out Saya Mafia.
 
If PCT don’t win against a Bumrah-Less India with atleast two passengers then when only you will?

Rohit’s fielding is a joke, his captaincy isn’t that good either nowadays. Kohli’s form is also a joke.

Beating Bangladesh is easy , they even lose to an Indian team with Binny, Pakistan hopefully has more in them.
LOL yar why are you guys so darpok? You really think a Saim and Fakhar less Pakistan can beat India? Matlab talking about being superstitious? Bumrah is not such a big deal. Has he really performed against Pakistan?
 
Its just Pakistans bad luck they lost Saim and Fakhar. We were already hard pressed for high tempo batters. India will win comfortably.

Experience tells me whenever you write off Pakistan, they end up winning. It doesn't matter how strong the opponent is.

Seen it in 2019 WC (Pakistan beat England), 2017 CT (Pakistan beat India), 2022 World T20 (Pakistan beat South Africa) etc.
 
If Pakistan have the full team available, gap isn't that huge in ODI format. They won ODI series in Australia and South Africa. They reached final of the tri-series too.

India have regressed in ODI. They had to huff and puff to get a win against BD. The series they won against England came against a depleted English side.

Pakistan currently don't have Saim and Fakhar. So, they are quite depleted. :inti
If Pakistan had Saim and Fakhar, i would back them to win against India with or without Bumrah. Without these two, its 80% India, 20% Pakistan.
 
If Pakistan had Saim and Fakhar, i would back them to win against India with or without Bumrah. Without these two, its 80% India, 20% Pakistan.

Yeah. For sure. It is a big blow to lose the team's two best batters.

It is like Ricky Ponting's Australia playing without Gilchrist and Hayden.
 
It's a simple fact that everyone seems to gloss over. Even our T20 cricket became a lot stronger once we started playing the extra batter

We need to play another batter who can bowl some part time spin .
Batting depth was needed for even great Australia in 2003 twice. Andy Bichel with his bat saved two matches in the world cup for Australia. Having 4 duds in the back end has cost us many tournaments. It is fine and dandy to have 4 specialist bowlers as long as they consistently bowl opposition out for low scores and our batsmen never ever have a collapse. Both are not possible. At some point bowlers travel. At some point you get a collapse.You have to manage both. Bowling depth is one of the most over-rated concept in LOI. INfact it wins you nothing. South Africa failed exactly because of that in 2024 world T20 final. You cannot have Jansen at no.7. He is a no.8 bat at best.
 
If Pakistan had Saim and Fakhar, i would back them to win against India with or without Bumrah. Without these two, its 80% India, 20% Pakistan.
Kuldeep tamed Fakhar 3 out of 3 times. He could never pick Kuldeep just like the rest of the batsmen. Babar was the worst.
 
Kuldeep tamed Fakhar 3 out of 3 times. He could never pick Kuldeep just like the rest of the batsmen. Babar was the worst.
Kuldeep eats Babar for breakfast. Any spinner would, hes a total loser. Fakhar has improved his game against spinners. But kuldeep is a top talent. It would have been a good match up.
 
Kuldeep eats Babar for breakfast. Any spinner would, hes a total loser. Fakhar has improved his game against spinners. But kuldeep is a top talent. It would have been a good match up.
Fakhar is not alone. He has bamboozled Root, Smith many guys. It is hard to pick him when he is on song. Among the left handers Moeen Ali handled him well in the IPL. In 2019 Moeen ALi broke his spirit and almost derailed his career with one innings even though he got him out. But he came back with a bit more variations like faster one and is doing well. Now he is coming back after surgery. So we have to wait and see how he goes.
 
LOL yar why are you guys so darpok? You really think a Saim and Fakhar less Pakistan can beat India? Matlab talking about being superstitious? Bumrah is not such a big deal. Has he really performed against Pakistan?
I’m saying this is your best chance..I do think Indian team will be better once Rohit Kohli retire..
 
The problem is Pakistan just cannot select players on current form

Mubasir Khan, Hussain talat and Haider Ali on current form are better then Tayyab, Kamran and Saud shakeel.

Haider Ali would make for a better no 7 then tayyab, Talat can slot in at no 6 way better then kamran ghulam or saud shakeel, and mubasir is better then saud in odi as a bowler and he's a handy lower order bat while saud is a circus clown as an opener/no 3.

however Pakistan would have still lost since fakhar and saim are injured and without them Pakistan is toast.

1) Fakhar
2) Saim
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Agha
6) Hussain Talat
7) Haider Ali
8) Mubasir Khan
9) Shaheen
10) Naseem
11) Rauf

^^ Pakistan conditons

1) Fakhar
2) Saim
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Agha
6) Talat/ Haider Ali
7) Mubasir Khan
8) Naseem/Shaheen/Rauf
9) Naseem/Shaheen/Rauf
10) Sufiyan
11) Abrar

^^ for uae conditons

Pakistan could have been very competitive had they actually gone with this squad and every player was fully fit.

However no fakhar + Saim and the likes of khusdil, Saud, Kamran, Babar(on current form), Husnain, Faheem, Their all passengers and are useless picks.

Don't want to add usman khan to this list as he hasn't made an odi debut but I believe he'd make it on this list as well.
 
India know to handle tough situations; Pakistan have plenty of problems: Irfan Pathan

The much-anticipated ICC Champions Trophy 2025 clash between India and Pakistan, is scheduled to take place on February 23 at the Dubai International Cricket Stadium. Ahead of this encounter, former Indian all-rounder Irfan Pathan opened up on both teams' capabilities, specifying that India’s ability to handle pressure gives them an edge over their arch-rivals.

Pathan stressed that the Men in Blue have consistently shown calmness in high-pressure situations, a quality that sets them apart from Pakistan. According to him, India’s recent performances reflect their ability to stay composed under challenging situations, something that will play a crucial role in the upcoming match.


"When it comes to Pakistan, look, they have plenty of problems in the team... As far as some of the senior guys (are concerned), they don't play that kind of aggressive modern-day cricket, especially in white-ball cricket. So, can they change it? It's very difficult. But more than the weaknesses and the strengths, it's all about the India-Pakistan occasion. Whoever handles the occasion really well, that team wins," Pathan said as quoted by TOI.

With only two teams from each group qualifying for the semifinals, Pakistan is in a must-win situation against India. However, given India’s current form and their ability to perform during tough scenarios, Pathan believes Rohit Sharma’s side has the upper hand.

"What we have seen in the recent past with the Indian team, we know how to handle a tough situation and the big occasion as well. As far as the talent is concerned, we are far ahead, especially in one-day cricket. We (India) have good all-round abilities in the team as well. Axar (Patel) is picking up wickets and we have a lot of options as well," he added.

"Hopefully that momentum will be carried... Shubman is in tremendous form and once Rohit and Virat keep scoring runs consistently, this team will be unstoppable, good to see Mohammed Shami get a fifer. He will get a lot of confidence out of it as well because after injury, coming back on the field, it's not easy, especially for fast bowlers (but) he did well," Pathan concluded.

Meanwhile, the former champions' campaign started on a strong note with a six-wicket win over Bangladesh. Shubman Gill, smashed a match-winning century, supported by KL Rahul’s crucial contribution. Mohammed Shami's five-wicket haul ensured Bangladesh was restricted to 229 runs before India chased the target with six wickets in hands.

On the other hand, Pakistan’s Champions Trophy campaign began on a poor note with a 60-run defeat to New Zealand in Karachi. The Kiwis posted a huge total, thanks to centuries from Tom Latham (118*) and Will Young (107), while Glenn Phillips’ 61 further contributed with the bat. In response, Pakistan were bowled out for 260 following a dismal batting display. To make matters worse, opener Fakhar Zaman has been ruled out of the tournament due to an oblique tear, with Imam-ul-Haq replacing him.


 
Well if Pakistan wins toss and put around 300
We might have a good chance
Chasing in Dubai not easy with no dew

Imam
Usman
Babar
Rizwan
Salman
Kamran
Khushdil
Shaheen
Rauf
Naseem
Abrar

Let's hope for the best 🤞
If Rauf bowls in second innings he will leak runs and let india chase 300
 
Its our best chance? LOL. Our best chance was with Saim and Fakhar. Bumrah doesnt matter for us.
Bumrah will always matter , seeing how Rizwan and your batsmen have played him recently.
He has had only one bad game against Pak.
Saim is yet to play India so not sure how you think he would had done..
 
Bumrah will always matter , seeing how Rizwan and your batsmen have played him recently.
He has had only one bad game against Pak.
Saim is yet to play India so not sure how you think he would had done..
Whether saim would have failed or not or whether Pakistan would have lost or not at full strength is irrelevant.

This is a full strength indian side minus Bumrah while this is a crippled Pakistan side due to poor selections and injuries of 2 key players.

On current form Saim and a fully fit fakhar are better then every single Pakistani batter in the dug out. Pairing that up with Agha, Hussain talat on current form, Haider Ali as a finisher, Mubasir Khan + Sufiyan who atm has better form then abrar, Then it could have been an even contest given the fact that Bumrah is missing.

However atm, Pakistan is left with joke openers, Joke middle orders bats and rubbish passengers in the team.

If India loses to this Pakistan team then they should genuinely be ashamed of themselves. If I was an indian fan then I'd 100% be ashamed. Since how can you possibly lose to a Pakistan’s team that's somehow even weaker then their 2022, 2023 and 2024 counterparts, Mind you counterparts that lost to USA.
 
Bumrah will always matter , seeing how Rizwan and your batsmen have played him recently.
He has had only one bad game against Pak.
Saim is yet to play India so not sure how you think he would had done..
Current Bumrah is on a different level. But i don't think you need him to beat Pakistan. Pandya is there. Half-fit shamis there. Saim would struggle against Indian spin attack for sure. Also he will be peppered with short ball by Pandya with field set.
 
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