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ICC Champions Trophy 2025: Pakistan vs India | Match 05 | Dubai | February 23 | Pre-Match Discussion

With this kind of performance , I'm not sure how anyone can say PAK arent favourites .

65:35 PAK.

It's a virtual KO .

Because BD aren't even going to come close to beating NZ at Pindi. That's 2 points confirmed for NZ
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Just because you are pessimistic don't expect the rest of us to wear bangles and indulge in hero worship of Indian players. Babar on current form is miles better than any joker in the Indian line up which has clowns like KL Rahul who would not make Peshawar 11.
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I guess you don't watch cricket based on the quotes post.
 
Man to Man Ind v Pak Comparison

Rohit , Imam , 1-0
Gill, Usman, 2-0
Vk, Babar, 3-0
Iyer, Riz, 4-0
Axar, Agha Tie
Rahul, TT, 5-0
Jadeja, Khusdil , 6-0
Pandya , Rauf , 7-0
Shami, SSA, 8-0
Rana, Naseem 8-1
Kuldeep, Abrar, 9-1

So India ahead with a whopping 9-1 :klopp
 
Bilal7 said:
Ridiculous. Even if you discount Saim and Fakhar due to them being injured (I hope you don't think Rohit, on current form, is better than either), you still have Rizwan who is clearly a better keeper-batter than Rahul; Shaheen, Naseem and Haris, all of whom are better than India's current, uninjured pace bowlers; and Salman Agha is superior to Jadeja and Axar.

A combined team looks like this:

1) Gill
2) Rohit
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Iyer
6) Salman
7) Pandya
8) Jadeja
9) Shaheen
10) Naseem
11) Varun
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Gill and Rohit will give u a fluing start and Riz Babar pair will demolish all their efforts in next 10 overs lol
 
My XI from given atrocious squad;

1. Kamran
2. Saud
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Salman
6. Usman
7. Khushdil
8. Shaheen
9. Naseem
10. Harris
11. Abrar
 
Nikhil_cric said:
With this kind of performance , I'm not sure how anyone can say PAK arent favourites .

65:35 PAK.

It's a virtual KO .

Because BD aren't even going to come close to beating NZ at Pindi. That's 2 points confirmed for NZ
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Can guarantee you it's 95% an India win.

Any chance has gone with Fakhar.
 
Fakhar/Shaheen are the two guys as an Indian fan i was wary of even though he is not the same Fakhar anymore. Shaheen can still trouble India given the age of Rohit/Kohli who have perennial issues against left arm seamers.
 
Probable XI

Imam ul Haq
Babar Azam
Kamran Ghulam
Mohammad Rizwan
Salman Agha
Tayyab Tahir
Khushdil Shah
Shaheen Afridi
Naseem Shah
Haris Rauf
Abrar Ahmed

My XI

Usman Khan
Babar Azam
Kamran Ghulam
Mohammad Rizwan
Salman Agha
Tayyab Tahir
Khushdil Shah
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Shah
Haris Rauh
Abrar Ahmed
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Indian batsmen have always been dominated by our bowlers right from the era of Fazal Mahmood down to Asif, Aamer and Shaheen. India has a bunch of oldies at the top. They could picked Jaiswal but they will pick potbelly Rohit who can't last more than 40 balls and Kohli who can't play BD leg spinners lol. This will be a thrashing on anything but a super flat phatta where India might hold the edge. On a normal cricket wicket - even something similar to the NZ game, we will beat India 7/10 times.
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Not even the biggest PCT fan should do this kind of chest-thumping.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
With this kind of performance , I'm not sure how anyone can say PAK arent favourites .

65:35 PAK.

It's a virtual KO .

Because BD aren't even going to come close to beating NZ at Pindi. That's 2 points confirmed for NZ
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NZ will destroy Bangladesh in Rawalpindi. That might be the flattest wicket in the tournament.
 
Really glad that there won't be any dew effect as seen today and you need to actually play good cricket to win.

Still think we should field first as our batting order works better when they know what to get rather than playing a guessing game of what would be enough.
 
Refuse to play , take 0 pts and 0 hit to nrr. Then hope Bangladesh beat NZ somehow and we can best them. More chance of that then use getting close to India tomorrow
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Probable XI

Imam ul Haq
Babar Azam
Kamran Ghulam
Mohammad Rizwan
Salman Agha
Tayyab Tahir
Khushdil Shah
Shaheen Afridi
Naseem Shah
Haris Rauf
Abrar Ahmed

My XI

Usman Khan
Babar Azam
Kamran Ghulam
Mohammad Rizwan
Salman Agha
Tayyab Tahir
Khushdil Shah
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Shah
Haris Rauh
Abrar Ahmed
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My X1

1) Iman
2) Usman
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Salman
6) Kushdil
7) Faheem
8) Naseem
9) Shaheen
10) Haris
11) Abrar

We can not go with 4 bowlers against India. Need 5 proper bowlers with Kushdil/Salman as the 6th bowler. The squad is so poor and this is best I can come up with. The likes of Kamran, Tayab and Saud won't bring much to the table in terms of run scoring so we might as well strengthen the bowling line up & hope for the best.
 
The real question is win the toss and bat first or bowl.

History shows that teams chasing will win in Dubai.

I am just worried if India bats first and strikes 300 the game would be over for Pakistan.
 
My xi:

Imam
Kamran
Babar
Rizwan
Salman
Tayyab
Khushdil
Shaheen
Nasim
Haris
Abrar

Imam get a 100 off 110 balls.
Babar get 50 off 60 balls
Rest of 130 balls everyone chip in with 150.
Haris get 3 wickets Shaheen 2 wickets.

Otherwise no chance.
 
Devadwal said:
Bangladesh Done now it's time to knock out the hosts Pakistan from this Champions Trophy. I'm little bit scared after seeing today performance

@Rajdeep @Bhaag Viru Bhaag @Nikhil_cric

:kp
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I think Pakistan has the bowling lineup that can bundle out Indian team on this Dubai pitch. I am worried about Naseem and Harris. Of course, Shaheen is always a threat for us. Also, Abrar is unknown to our players and he may run through our middle order. I just hope our team plays good cricket to stay relevant in the match.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The real question is win the toss and bat first or bowl.

History shows that teams chasing will win in Dubai.

I am just worried if India bats first and strikes 300 the game would be over for Pakistan.
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350 easy India batting first
 
mon858 said:
My xi:

Imam
Kamran
Babar
Rizwan
Salman
Tayyab
Khushdil
Shaheen
Nasim
Haris
Abrar

Imam get a 100 off 110 balls.
Babar get 50 off 60 balls
Rest of 130 balls everyone chip in with 150.
Haris get 3 wickets Shaheen 2 wickets.

Otherwise no chance.
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means hum na hi samjhain phir? lol
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The real question is win the toss and bat first or bowl.

History shows that teams chasing will win in Dubai.

I am just worried if India bats first and strikes 300 the game would be over for Pakistan.
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India aint getting 300. The old Shaheen is loading.
 
mon858 said:
My xi:

Imam
Kamran
Babar
Rizwan
Salman
Tayyab
Khushdil
Shaheen
Nasim
Haris
Abrar

Imam get a 100 off 110 balls.
Babar get 50 off 60 balls
Rest of 130 balls everyone chip in with 150.
Haris get 3 wickets Shaheen 2 wickets.

Otherwise no chance.
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I think England’s Test XI is more of a white ball side than this line up

And none of these clowns would get into England’s Test XI
 
The weakest pakistani team in recent times. I dont expect much. So much for group stage knockout of India. :sree
 
Bilal7 said:
Ridiculous. Even if you discount Saim and Fakhar due to them being injured (I hope you don't think Rohit, on current form, is better than either), you still have Rizwan who is clearly a better keeper-batter than Rahul; Shaheen, Naseem and Haris, all of whom are better than India's current, uninjured pace bowlers; and Salman Agha is superior to Jadeja and Axar.

A combined team looks like this:

1) Gill
2) Rohit
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Iyer
6) Salman
7) Pandya
8) Jadeja
9) Shaheen
10) Naseem
11) Varun
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Arshdeep is better than you whole pace trio even pandya is better than you cannon fodder plumbers , Don’t even think about shami he’s best bowler from subcontinent when it comes to icc events his records speak for himself also fastest in terms of number of bowls he has taken to get 200 wickets🤣
 
I have a serious feeling India may lose this match due to wrong team selection..Harshid Rana is a mediocre bowler..Shami is not in his best..we should never keep BD match as yardstick as many BD batters got out due to their own mistakes and lack of skills..Rohit Sharma is always one shot away from giving his wicket and pak bowlers can easily trouble him.. Kohli is on par with Babar in playing for the opposite team..I have a feeling that Gambhir may experiment Varun chakravarthy instead of Kuldeep and it's going to backfire..Pak as a cornered tigers always throw surprises by performing better..Also your team performs better outside than in Pakistan..so,it is the Bangladesh match you have to worry about..
 
chakdeindian said:
I have a serious feeling India may lose this match due to wrong team selection..Harshid Rana is a mediocre bowler..Shami is not in his best..we should never keep BD match as yardstick as many BD batters got out due to their own mistakes and lack of skills..Rohit Sharma is always one shot away from giving his wicket and pak bowlers can easily trouble him.. Kohli is on par with Babar in playing for the opposite team..I have a feeling that Gambhir may experiment Varun chakravarthy instead of Kuldeep and it's going to backfire..Pak as a cornered tigers always throw surprises by performing better..Also your team performs better outside than in Pakistan..so,it is the Bangladesh match you have to worry about..
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Your talking as if Pakistan are not in disarray themselves

100-0

140 all out

That’s very likely with this Pakistan side. They are a total shambles. Losing to this side means every player and coaching staff member deserves the boot.
 
Rohit
Gill
Virat
Shreyas
KL
Pandya
Axar
Jadeja
Shami
Arshdeep
Kuldeep

You can be brave and swap Jadeja for Varun…Bat first.
 
Rana said:
Your talking as if Pakistan are not in disarray themselves

100-0

140 all out

That’s very likely with this Pakistan side. They are a total shambles. Losing to this side means every player and coaching staff member deserves the boot.
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I don't remember in recent years when Pak team was not in shambles..it's only the unpredictable tag that makes me suspect with caution..no one knows how your team will perform..you may win India but also lose to Bangladesh..one thing always constant is "qudrat ka nizam"..
 
I don't think Dubai's pitch is going to be super-flat. I am guessing 270-280 would be par.

This should suit Pakistani bowlers.

Pakistan can win if they apply themselves (even without Fakhar).
 
Imam career vs India: 5 innings, 12.80 AVG, 63 SR
Babar career vs India: 7 innings, 31.14 AVG, 75 SR
Rizwan career vs India: 2 innings, 25.50, 69 SR

If this match is anything but Pakistan being blown away, it will be surprising. This team sucks and is in complete shambles right now and all your veteran & most experienced batsmen on the team shrink as the moment get bigger.

All India has to do is play Kuldeep and watch this batting lineup fall like a house of cards.
 
Pakistan should just opt for a deep batting lineup now that fakhar is gone, it'll marginally increase your chances but it won't do much.

1) Imam
2) Usman Khan
3) Babar Azam
4) Rizwan
5) Salman Ali Agha
6) Kamran Ghulam
7) Tayyab Tahir/Khusdil
8) Shaheen
9) Naseem
10) Rauf
11) Abrar

Saud is useless
 
DI'd you see Usman Khan batting in t20 world cup?? Deer in headlights.
I would play Khushdil over him at least he can bowl few overs with decent economy. And maybe strike a few blows if luck goes his way.
mominsaigol said:
Pakistan should just opt for a deep batting lineup now that fakhar is gone, it'll marginally increase your chances but it won't do much.

1) Imam
2) Usman Khan
3) Babar Azam
4) Rizwan
5) Salman Ali Agha
6) Kamran Ghulam
7) Tayyab Tahir/Khusdil
8) Shaheen
9) Naseem
10) Rauf
11) Abrar

Saud is useless
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mon858 said:
DI'd you see Usman Khan batting in t20 world cup?? Deer in headlights.
I would play Khushdil over him at least he can bowl few overs with decent economy. And maybe strike a few blows if luck goes his way.
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Yes but uae and pakistan are hone conditons he's familiar with
 
Cricket Warrior said:
means hum na hi samjhain phir? lol
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Khwaab dekhnay pay pabandi nahin hay. But I presented the most likely potential positive way where given our resources there could be chance of win. I don't see our spinners running through their lineup. Nor do I see babar and imam and Rizwan playing at 120 strike rate. So expect the most they can do and expect the rest to carry their burden run high run rate high risk innings through Salman, Tayyab, Kamran, Khushdil, etc.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but uae and pakistan are hone conditons he's familiar with
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There are 2 factors:
1. Conditions, I'll grant you that
2. Who your playing against

I doubt he has faced this type of bowling regularly during his UAE league/t20 days. For those oppositions he scores 50s and 100s there are kinks in their armor. Bowlers giving 1 to 2 lose balls every over. Even fielders dropping catches. Pace being less. Opposition not knowing your weaknesses, etc.

So I am sorry, I have zero hope in Usman, he is a complete hack. Khushdil level batter but doesn't bowl.
 
Also BPL performance counts for not much. Otherwise Bangladesh BPL heros would beat major teams too. But they don't.
 
mon858 said:
There are 2 factors:
1. Conditions, I'll grant you that
2. Who your playing against

I doubt he has faced this type of bowling regularly during his UAE league/t20 days. For those oppositions he scores 50s and 100s there are kinks in their armor. Bowlers giving 1 to 2 lose balls every over. Even fielders dropping catches. Pace being less. Opposition not knowing your weaknesses, etc.

So I am sorry, I have zero hope in Usman, he is a complete hack. Khushdil level batter but doesn't bowl.
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What has khushdil done in terms of bowling?

Imam
Babar
Kamran/saud
Rizwan
Agha
Tayyab
Khusdil

^^ This is a joke batting lineup

The whole squad is a joke. Might as well try your only wild card in a crucial eliminator that we are likely to lose anyway
 
Usman Chadda said:
Were you scared after watching our boys crawl to 22 in the powerplay? :inti
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Pak were up against the best pace bowling attack in this CT. Henry and Rourk are more accurate and generate more awkward bounce than the Indian attack of Shami + H Rana. I don't see Pak batters crawing to 22 runs in PP against Ind this Sunday. (Despite Fakhar's absense). Without bumrah, this Indian bowling attack is toothless. Kuldeep is a very mediocre bowler too.
 
TheRock said:
Pak were up against the best pace bowling attack in this CT. Henry and Rourk are more accurate and generate more awkward bounce than the Indian attack of Shami + H Rana. I don't see Pak batters crawing to 22 runs in PP against Ind this Sunday. (Despite Fakhar's absense). Without bumrah, this Indian bowling attack is toothless. Kuldeep is a very mediocre bowler too.
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Yeah Kuldeep who averages 14.16 against Pakistan and against whom Pakistan have 0 wins is "mediocre".

Shami who is a greater ODI bowler than any Pakistani bowler bar Wasim and is the fastest to 200 wickets is "mediocre".
 
Hoping for Pakistan to win. Host going out of tournament in 3-4 days is not a good thing from viewers perspective.
 
Agreed that PCT in current form and without Fakhar has extremely limited chance of beating India.

However the small consolation is that chasing not easy and no dew impact in Dubai.

If a team bats first and scores 270+ then they will be odds on favourites to defend it. This is not impossible for Pak.

Against a sans Bumrah attack, it is also clear that about 80-90 runs can easily be taken in the last 10 ovs off seamers, so Pak's template should be to get to 130-140 for say 2 down after 30 ovs and look to double up. Ironically they need Babar to block out the noise and play the anchor same as he did in NZ game.
 
Buffet said:
Hoping for Pakistan to win. Host going out of tournament in 3-4 days is not a good thing from viewers perspective.
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Agreed not good thing but they knew in advance. They could have kept India first (loss) , Bangladesh second (win) and NZ last (win or loss but alive till this game).
Dumb schedule to keep NZ and India first 2.
 
Kianig89 said:
So India gets 2 pts, may condemn the home team out from tournament brutal
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Let's look at the passengers in the Indian batting.

Rohit - I don't even know why he is in the team let alone the captain.

Kohli - not even a shadow of himself right now.

Rahul - this guy never inspires me. Always feel like he will get out to the next ball.

Pandya - don't even consider him as a batsman..

Full of bits and pieces player with oldies passed their sell time. Great for stats but reality is much bleak than the paper.

In practice, there isn't much difference with Pakistan losing fakhar. If fakhar is there, I will say that Pakistan even has more chance to win.
 
pratiktc said:
Agreed that PCT in current form and without Fakhar has extremely limited chance of beating India.

However the small consolation is that chasing not easy and no dew impact in Dubai.

If a team bats first and scores 270+ then they will be odds on favourites to defend it. This is not impossible for Pak.

Against a sans Bumrah attack, it is also clear that about 80-90 runs can easily be taken in the last 10 ovs off seamers, so Pak's template should be to get to 130-140 for say 2 down after 30 ovs and look to double up. Ironically they need Babar to block out the noise and play the anchor same as he did in NZ game.
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Are you kidding me. 50 off 80 balls chasing 320. Not acceptable. They need to reduce dot balls in first 25 overs. No need to hit bunch of sixes when we know it's not possible. Attack part timers or some spin over Balls to hit over extra cover, late cut, over mid wicket , but otherwise at least rotate strike.
 
Kianig89 said:
So India gets 2 pts, may condemn the home team out from tournament brutal
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A win against Bangladesh changes nothing for us. Everyone in the group is considering that win a granted anyway. We have two big matches to go.
 
Bhaijaan said:
A win against Bangladesh changes nothing for us. Everyone in the group is considering that win a granted anyway. We have two big matches to go.
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lol absolutely. If anything, IND should kick themselves for not getting a bigger NRR boost after 35-5. if PAK beats IND on Sunday, they will surely come very hard against BD.

I dont even think BD is out yet either. We always fancy our chances against NZ no matter how formidable they might look.
 
Devadwal said:
Bumrah is unique .no one can replace him in any team.

India bowling is all depends on bumrah. So without Bumrah pakistan can easily win

:kp
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I have a question.

During tournaments you employ reverse psychology or jinx or whatever.

But During test series like bgt its all about aggression? Does that mean you value test more then odi tournaments?
 
Shoaib Malik speaking during a chat with Shoaib Akhtar on his YouTube Channel:

“I’m very hopeful that we still have a chance to beat India in our next match. Then we have our match against Bangladesh in Rawalpindi so chance is still there.”

“Of course, morale is down, confidence is down but players have to show character and we have that potential in our team to win against India. I’m very hopeful. But now it’s their responsibility. The seniors will have to step up because it will be a pressure game and for you, it’s a do-or-die game.”

“Imagine if someone wins a do-or-die game against India, will become an instant superstar. So, the opportunity is there. There is pressure, but take it as an opportunity,”
 
It's giving me CT17 final vibes.
No one gave any chance to Pak against India but Pak surprised everyone.

Though team India is definitely favourite on paper but I wouldn't be surprised if Pak wins on Sunday. Nothing is impossible with this Indian team.
 
Slim said:
Waiting for the pappi jhappi videos with Kohli and other indian players. But i am guessing even they would avoid them this time.
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Nothing wrong in the players not having any differences between them. I don't find any current Pakistani player obnoxious or dislikable. Now compare that with what Kohli did with a certain debutant in the last BGT.​
 
Kianig89 said:
Man to Man Ind v Pak Comparison

Rohit , Imam , 1-0
Gill, Usman, 2-0
Vk, Babar, 3-0
Iyer, Riz, 4-0
Axar, Agha Tie
Rahul, TT, 5-0
Jadeja, Khusdil , 6-0
Pandya , Rauf , 7-0
Shami, SSA, 8-0
Rana, Naseem 8-1
Kuldeep, Abrar, 9-1

So India ahead with a whopping 9-1 :klopp
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I wouldn't say Naseem is too ahead of Rana.
 
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