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This is NOT a symbolic change. When Modi, Shah, Doval put their minds together, the output is a game changer. Revoking 370 is no different.

Here is why this is the biggest game changer in Kashmir since 1947:

1. Kashmir has lost its so called 'Special status'.

2. Anyone from anywhere in India can now buy land in Kashmir.

3. Kashmir is no longer a state, it is now a Union Territory (UT) of 'Jammu and Kashmir'. Ladakh becomes a UT of its own, and is no longer part of J&K.

4. The Lieutenant Governor (in other words India's Home Minister) shall have a HUGE roll to play in Kashmir going forward. There will be a legislature (with locally elected members), but Lieutenant Governor shall be the boss. In other words India's Home Minister will be the boss in Kashmir.

5. The Lieutenant Governor of Union Territory of Kashmir, shall have much higher powers than those with the current Governor of J&K state.

6. The money making businesses (taking bribe industry) of local politicians shall come to an end. In other words, Kashmiri politicians sitting at home and asking common man's sons to throw stones to earn 10 Rupees/day, while politicians own sons go to settle in America and UK, will come to an end.

7. Ladakh will see solid progress/development. This was one of the most underdeveloped and neglected part, not only of the state of J&K, but in the whole country. This place will see a lot of investment. Successive J&K Governments had totally neglected this region. For all practical purposes J&K so far only meant 'Kashmir', to the neglect of the other regions in J&k. That will now change.

8. Local politicians paying Kashmiri youth to throw stones at Indian security forces...well that ends now. Just like stone throwing ended recently as soon as the J&K government was dismissed and Governor/President's rule took charge of J&K.

9.Earlier Jammu, Kashmir, Ladakh were all part of the same state. Kashmir received disproportionately higher benefits/representation. Ladakh was totally ignored and underdeveloped, as Kashmir state government largely focussed on Kashmir, possibly because Ladakh is not muslim majority area. That shall change now.

10. Kashmir itself shall see unbelievable progress, even though Pakistan shall continue with its policy to provide 'moral support' to the separatists. Expect to see more investments, educational institutions, industries (including finance, travel/tour, hospitality, leisure, malls, etc. etc) big and small. In 10 years from now, the gap in the development/progress achieved between Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Indian Kashmir shall increase even further. Indian Kashmir shall be several times more developed than POK.

11. More central government schools, colleges, professional colleges shall open there. Kashmir shall have an ecosystem of professors, teachers, lab staff, and other support staff for even more educational institutions comprising of people from all over the country, settling down in Kashmir and buying properties there.

12. Expect to see Top class institutions of technology (IIT), medicine, research, etc to be set up Kashmir. More and more Kashmiri youth shall leave behind a world where their job aspirations were limited to throwing stones and collecting 10 rupees per day from the local politician. They can now aspire enter top schools and colleges in their backyard in Kashmir itself.

13. Expect to see a lot of our Sikh brothers settling down in Kashmir. As also a lot of brothers and sisters from Kerala, Bihari, UP, and elsewhere coming in and settling down. There is going to be a surging demand of capital and labor, much beyond what the local population can support. Kashmir shall truly become a melting pot of India.

14. A lot of retiring military personnel - Officers and jawans, shall be settling down in Kashmir.

15. Lot of modern sporting and leisure investments shall transform Kashmir and further support its tourism potential. Horse riding, Golfing, boating, and many other sporting facilities shall see a lot of investments.

16. Our Pakistani friends who always wanted Kashmir to progress shall not be disappointed. In 10 and 15 years time, on this forum there shall be a lot of articles about why Indian Kashmir has become a symbol of unbelievable progress while Pakistani Kashmir continues to be a rural village.

17. J&K shall get transformed to a hi tech hub - like Bangalore/Hyderabad got transformed over the last 25 years. J&K will become one of the top global tech/Medicine/Research hubs. A day will come when instead of sending Pakistani patients for much needed medical intervention/transplants to Bangalore/Chennai/Hyderabad in India, we would be welcoming our Pakistani brothers and sisters to top medical research centers cum Hospitals in Kashmir.

18. Kashmiri youth shall get totally integrated with the idea of India/Bharat Mata. I have noticed how the Muslim youth of India have become extremely integrated with the idea of Mother India over the past 30 years, to the point that Indian Muslims are one of the most proudly patriotic group in India, making mother India proud with their achievements in every field, science, technology, medicine etc [Over 50% of students joining top medical college AIIMS in India are muslim, a majority of them Muslim girls from North Kerala. Similarly an increasing chunk of qualifiers to India's civil services and as officers to India's military are Muslim youth]. I see Kashmiri youth taking the pride of place at the forefront of a new India.

19. Most importantly, I see India and Pakistan eventually getting closer due to the transformation in Indian Kashmir. Pakistani youth will like the transformation in Indian Kashmir that they see before their eyes and will like their world, their Kashmir, and their nation also to share and participate in that progress. Who knows we could all one day cooperate not only between our Kashmiris, but the two nations itself.

20. Terrorism shall end in the sub continent. Kashmiri youth of India shall be busy preparing for entrance to IIT, AIIMS, GMAT, GRE etc. and joining top Indian and global colleges, instead of pelting stones. Once the youth of Pakistan occupied Kashmir, and the misguided youth in other parts of the sub continent, see how integration of Indian Kashmir into the mainstream has transformed Indian Kashmir into a true 'Paradise on earth', everyone will want to join the movement of progress. No one will want to volunteer to enroll in terror camps run by so called 'non state actors' deep in the jungles.

Long live India and Pakistan friendship. This region (Indo-Pak) has the potential to become the top economy of the world 50 years from now. Include Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and this economic zone becomes the engine of the world. Bring in close cooperation between, China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and we can all together transform and redefine the future of mankind and the planet.

I am now supremely hopeful about the new J&K Union Territory, the new Ladakh Union Terriotry, the new India, and the increased potential for further Indo-Pak cooperation and transformation.

Pakistan Zindabad
Jai Hind
 
I personally think that all these points are valid if you are living in some sort of lala land.

And to make the matters worse, Pakistan will take it as an ego issue and push more of its resources against India instead of developing internally
 
I personally think that all these points are valid if you are living in some sort of lala land.

And to make the matters worse, Pakistan will take it as an ego issue and push more of its resources against India instead of developing internally

Pakistans security is at risk if there is conflict in IOK. Also Pakistan like any other nation should stand up for human rights.

Nobody is asking you to comment or care and it's not needed.
 
Pakistan Government cannot provide us jobs, welfare or security in our homes.

And yet it should be on top with an conflict against India?
 
I request mods to ban such users who troll on such sensitive matters. And delete such threads
 
Pakistan Government cannot provide us jobs, welfare or security in our homes.

And yet it should be on top with an conflict against India?

You want a job go out and do anything instead of sitting on the internet.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Who is going to hire when industry is downsizing? Are you an idiot or thick?

The two companies I gave interview in simply left hiring for the position later.

Do you even know what is going on in Pakistan?
 
I request mods to ban such users who troll on such sensitive matters. And delete such threads
[MENTION=132658]m.shah[/MENTION], please be accommodative about contrary points of views even if they are in conflict with your own opinion. Diverse views and free speech is what makes a forum meaningful and enlightening, so long as it is done in a civil tone.

Please feel free to list out your points of view on the subject so the readers are enriched.

Calling for a ban every time we see someone expressing divergent views is uncalled for. Peace out brother.
 
m.shah;1045193 5 said:
I request mods to ban such users who troll on such sensitive matters. And delete such threads

What trolling? They are some good points being made that if the integration is peaceful then the Kashmiri youth will have a bright , peaceful future . And when Indian Kashmir integrates peacefully, it will inspire Pakistan part of Kashmir and other regions to follow the path of progress.
 
What trolling? They are some good points being made that if the integration is peaceful then the Kashmiri youth will have a bright , peaceful future . And when Indian Kashmir integrates peacefully, it will inspire Pakistan part of Kashmir and other regions to follow the path of progress.

Its occupation not integration.

India are trying the Zionist model where illegal settlments are built, protected by troops.

But India is not Israel, their soldiers will be easily attacked and killed. Not long ago dozens were sent to hell.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Who is going to hire when industry is downsizing? Are you an idiot or thick?

The two companies I gave interview in simply left hiring for the position later.

Do you even know what is going on in Pakistan?

Clean the streets, drive a truck. It will take decades after years of corruption to make things better. In the meantime stop crying on the internet and go out do some work, you obvioiusly need the money or wouldn't care.
 
Clean the streets, drive a truck. It will take decades after years of corruption to make things better. In the meantime stop crying on the internet and go out do some work, you obvioiusly need the money or wouldn't care.

Instead of crying on the internet about what Imran Khan’s Government has done, I’d recommend to start a food business or anything else.

Food always sells bro.
 
Instead of crying on the internet about what Imran Khan’s Government has done, I’d recommend to start a food business or anything else.

Food always sells bro.

Some people prefer eating than selling food, lazy ........ :inzi
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

In naya pakistan, Qualified Accountants are there to wash streets.

Insane.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

In naya pakistan, Qualified Accountants are there to wash streets.

Insane.

If there arent any accountacy jobs , do something else for now. Seems like you in Naya Pakistan are struggling to eat once a day, is this correct? But im guessing you're overweight or am i wrong?
 
I have no strong opinion on this move other than that things will be pretty much the same as they are now, but with more legitimate issues of religion, representation, and corruption.

This is a gift to Pakistan - take it and focus inward.
 
[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] I'm sick of these overseas pakistanis here who don't know a thing about sufferings of a common person living here
 
Very well written bro.

Now everything depends on Kashmiri youths, whether they want to continue living in denial or leave everything behind and start a new life.
Smart Kashmiris will grab this golden opportunity. Setup business to support other Kashmiris and non Kashmiris. Sell land and real estate to non Kashmiris and make huge profits (just like Gujjar and Jats did in Delhi). Make it a business. There is a huge potential.

When other radicalized muslim Kashmiris will see their progress, they too will be drawn towards peace and prosperity.

It will take time maybe, I believe atleast 2-4 decades. But, inshallah our dream will come true one day. :)
 
I have no strong opinion on this move other than that things will be pretty much the same as they are now, but with more legitimate issues of religion, representation, and corruption.

This is a gift to Pakistan - take it and focus inward.

Whilst I agree that this can be beneficial for Pakistan yet my heart cry’s out for the Kashmiri folk who had their worlds turned upside down.

They are not part of India and their nationality has been slowly eroded.

I said on another thread that IK should call their bluff... pull the troops out and let the entire Kashmir have their plebiscite... see then if India complies. Let the world see it.
 
Very well written bro.

Now everything depends on Kashmiri youths, whether they want to continue living in denial or leave everything behind and start a new life.
Smart Kashmiris will grab this golden opportunity. Setup business to support other Kashmiris and non Kashmiris. Sell land and real estate to non Kashmiris and make huge profits (just like Gujjar and Jats did in Delhi). Make it a business. There is a huge potential.

When other radicalized muslim Kashmiris will see their progress, they too will be drawn towards peace and prosperity.

It will take time maybe, I believe atleast 2-4 decades. But, inshallah our dream will come true one day. :)

People say that children are our future...

By dismissing the youth you are in fact dismissing an entire civilisation
 
Whilst I agree that this can be beneficial for Pakistan yet my heart cry’s out for the Kashmiri folk who had their worlds turned upside down.

They are not part of India and their nationality has been slowly eroded.

I said on another thread that IK should call their bluff... pull the troops out and let the entire Kashmir have their plebiscite... see then if India complies. Let the world see it.

Its not in our hands. We should provide moral support and let India figure how out how many cow protection militia offices they want to open in Kashmir. Solidify by border, to protect against any potential exodus at our end.
The best we can do for Kashmiris is to show the world how we treat the ones in our part.
 
4. The Lieutenant Governor (in other words India's Home Minister) shall have a HUGE roll to play in Kashmir going forward. There will be a legislature (with locally elected members), but Lieutenant Governor shall be the boss. In other words India's Home Minister will be the boss in Kashmir

Only the police forces are controlled by the Lt.Governor, the actual governance of Kashmir is the domain of the Chief Minister, who will be elected by the people of Kashmir.
 
Only the police forces are controlled by the Lt.Governor, the actual governance of Kashmir is the domain of the Chief Minister, who will be elected by the people of Kashmir.

I must say, I am not clear on a few things:
1 - What is the difference between UT vs State
2 - What is the significant of Ladak being separated from J&K
3 - as you describe above: if Kashmir will have its own CM and legislature, isnt that a good thing?
 
This is NOT a symbolic change. When Modi, Shah, Doval put their minds together, the output is a game changer. Revoking 370 is no different.

Here is why this is the biggest game changer in Kashmir since 1947:

1. Kashmir has lost its so called 'Special status'.

2. Anyone from anywhere in India can now buy land in Kashmir.

3. Kashmir is no longer a state, it is now a Union Territory (UT) of 'Jammu and Kashmir'. Ladakh becomes a UT of its own, and is no longer part of J&K.

4. The Lieutenant Governor (in other words India's Home Minister) shall have a HUGE roll to play in Kashmir going forward. There will be a legislature (with locally elected members), but Lieutenant Governor shall be the boss. In other words India's Home Minister will be the boss in Kashmir.

5. The Lieutenant Governor of Union Territory of Kashmir, shall have much higher powers than those with the current Governor of J&K state.

6. The money making businesses (taking bribe industry) of local politicians shall come to an end. In other words, Kashmiri politicians sitting at home and asking common man's sons to throw stones to earn 10 Rupees/day, while politicians own sons go to settle in America and UK, will come to an end.

7. Ladakh will see solid progress/development. This was one of the most underdeveloped and neglected part, not only of the state of J&K, but in the whole country. This place will see a lot of investment. Successive J&K Governments had totally neglected this region. For all practical purposes J&K so far only meant 'Kashmir', to the neglect of the other regions in J&k. That will now change.

8. Local politicians paying Kashmiri youth to throw stones at Indian security forces...well that ends now. Just like stone throwing ended recently as soon as the J&K government was dismissed and Governor/President's rule took charge of J&K.

9.Earlier Jammu, Kashmir, Ladakh were all part of the same state. Kashmir received disproportionately higher benefits/representation. Ladakh was totally ignored and underdeveloped, as Kashmir state government largely focussed on Kashmir, possibly because Ladakh is not muslim majority area. That shall change now.

10. Kashmir itself shall see unbelievable progress, even though Pakistan shall continue with its policy to provide 'moral support' to the separatists. Expect to see more investments, educational institutions, industries (including finance, travel/tour, hospitality, leisure, malls, etc. etc) big and small. In 10 years from now, the gap in the development/progress achieved between Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Indian Kashmir shall increase even further. Indian Kashmir shall be several times more developed than POK.

11. More central government schools, colleges, professional colleges shall open there. Kashmir shall have an ecosystem of professors, teachers, lab staff, and other support staff for even more educational institutions comprising of people from all over the country, settling down in Kashmir and buying properties there.

12. Expect to see Top class institutions of technology (IIT), medicine, research, etc to be set up Kashmir. More and more Kashmiri youth shall leave behind a world where their job aspirations were limited to throwing stones and collecting 10 rupees per day from the local politician. They can now aspire enter top schools and colleges in their backyard in Kashmir itself.

13. Expect to see a lot of our Sikh brothers settling down in Kashmir. As also a lot of brothers and sisters from Kerala, Bihari, UP, and elsewhere coming in and settling down. There is going to be a surging demand of capital and labor, much beyond what the local population can support. Kashmir shall truly become a melting pot of India.

14. A lot of retiring military personnel - Officers and jawans, shall be settling down in Kashmir.

15. Lot of modern sporting and leisure investments shall transform Kashmir and further support its tourism potential. Horse riding, Golfing, boating, and many other sporting facilities shall see a lot of investments.

16. Our Pakistani friends who always wanted Kashmir to progress shall not be disappointed. In 10 and 15 years time, on this forum there shall be a lot of articles about why Indian Kashmir has become a symbol of unbelievable progress while Pakistani Kashmir continues to be a rural village.

17. J&K shall get transformed to a hi tech hub - like Bangalore/Hyderabad got transformed over the last 25 years. J&K will become one of the top global tech/Medicine/Research hubs. A day will come when instead of sending Pakistani patients for much needed medical intervention/transplants to Bangalore/Chennai/Hyderabad in India, we would be welcoming our Pakistani brothers and sisters to top medical research centers cum Hospitals in Kashmir.

18. Kashmiri youth shall get totally integrated with the idea of India/Bharat Mata. I have noticed how the Muslim youth of India have become extremely integrated with the idea of Mother India over the past 30 years, to the point that Indian Muslims are one of the most proudly patriotic group in India, making mother India proud with their achievements in every field, science, technology, medicine etc [Over 50% of students joining top medical college AIIMS in India are muslim, a majority of them Muslim girls from North Kerala. Similarly an increasing chunk of qualifiers to India's civil services and as officers to India's military are Muslim youth]. I see Kashmiri youth taking the pride of place at the forefront of a new India.

19. Most importantly, I see India and Pakistan eventually getting closer due to the transformation in Indian Kashmir. Pakistani youth will like the transformation in Indian Kashmir that they see before their eyes and will like their world, their Kashmir, and their nation also to share and participate in that progress. Who knows we could all one day cooperate not only between our Kashmiris, but the two nations itself.

20. Terrorism shall end in the sub continent. Kashmiri youth of India shall be busy preparing for entrance to IIT, AIIMS, GMAT, GRE etc. and joining top Indian and global colleges, instead of pelting stones. Once the youth of Pakistan occupied Kashmir, and the misguided youth in other parts of the sub continent, see how integration of Indian Kashmir into the mainstream has transformed Indian Kashmir into a true 'Paradise on earth', everyone will want to join the movement of progress. No one will want to volunteer to enroll in terror camps run by so called 'non state actors' deep in the jungles.

Long live India and Pakistan friendship. This region (Indo-Pak) has the potential to become the top economy of the world 50 years from now. Include Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and this economic zone becomes the engine of the world. Bring in close cooperation between, China, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and we can all together transform and redefine the future of mankind and the planet.

I am now supremely hopeful about the new J&K Union Territory, the new Ladakh Union Terriotry, the new India, and the increased potential for further Indo-Pak cooperation and transformation.

Pakistan Zindabad
Jai Hind

This was meant for Times of India, this non-sense will fit in better there.
 
I must say, I am not clear on a few things:
1 - What is the difference between UT vs State
2 - What is the significant of Ladak being separated from J&K
3 - as you describe above: if Kashmir will have its own CM and legislature, isnt that a good thing?

1) Unlike States, Union Territories have no legislature and is directly governed by the Central government on all issues. Delhi was the only exception and now after today, Kashmir too - both union territories with a legislature .. meaning law and order is in the hands of the centre and governance in the hands of the local legislature.

2) People in Ladakh fell neglected by the J&K state govt so they've been given a new identity and administration now. Not really that significant imo.

3) It is a good thing, maybe you think I implied otherwise. Local leaders should be accountable to their voters for the development of their state.. else people would have directed their discontent at the centre.
 
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1) Unlike States, Union Territories have no legislature and is directly governed by the Central government on all issues. Delhi was the only exception and now after today, Kashmir too - both union territories with a legislature .. meaning law and order is in the hands of the centre and governance in the hands of the local legislature.

2) People in Ladakh fell neglected by the J&K state govt so they've been given a new identity and administration now. Not really that significant imo.

3) It is a good thing, maybe you think I implied otherwise. Local leaders should be accountable to their voters for the development of their state.. else people would have directed their discontent at the centre.

Thanks, clear now. On point 3, I was just channeling my confusion about some of the bleaker prognosis on the forum. I think local politicians should embrace this arrangement. Maybe they are already - so being under house arrest etc will only improve their electoral prospects. Key would be to move quickly on this part: i.e, organize the mechanism for state legislature and schedule elections quickly; it usually helps to reduce agitation.
 
1) Unlike States, Union Territories have no legislature and is directly governed by the Central government on all issues. Delhi was the only exception and now after today, Kashmir too - both union territories with a legislature .. meaning law and order is in the hands of the centre and governance in the hands of the local legislature.

2) People in Ladakh fell neglected by the J&K state govt so they've been given a new identity and administration now. Not really that significant imo.

3) It is a good thing, maybe you think I implied otherwise. Local leaders should be accountable to their voters for the development of their state.. else people would have directed their discontent at the centre.

Delhi and Puducherry were the only two Union Territories of India that had legislatures, and after today the Union Territory of 'Jammu and Kashmir', joins them as the third UT of India to have a legislature.

The Indian Union Territories without legislatures are:

Andaman and Nicobar Islands
Chandigarh
Dadra and Nagar Haveli
Daman and Diu
Lakshadweep
Ladakh
 
Of course it will transform the region for the better.

First of all Ladakh is majority Buddhist with a large Shia minority. They are entrenched in their loyalty towards India.

J&K was controlled by 3 families. The corruption was abundant, no panchayat elections, money was directly being siphoned off by the 3 families. Leaving the rest to live in abject poverty.
Case in point Mebhooba Mufti's son indirectly owns the largest car dealership in Chennai TN (with Stalin, who opposed the 370 abrogation) . Every single MLA's kid in J&K's Assembly study or live abroad.
The country spends around 70k on a single Kashmiri when they spend 3k elsewhere, yet J&K citizens are poor and unemployed. No business could establish itself because of the 3 families.

Now JK is directly under Delhi's control, good luck getting even 1 inch of land. Pakistan will lose a war of economics, of military or diplomacy.
In a war of attrition India has 400B$ in reserves and can use that to blunt any Pakistani economic action.
In a war of military Pakistan will end up moving troops from FATA and Balochistan, not a wise move, they might lose their hold there.
In a war of diplomacy, not one country has supported Pakistan. Did Turkey recall its ambassador? How about Saudi Arabia or Algeria, or Morocco or how about Imran Khans new friend Trump?

This is a victory for India and Kashmir, and will guarantee BJP victory in 2024 and will further destroy Congress and other pissant opposition.
 
Congratulations to Modi on ending the conflict that has plagued the development of both countries for so long.

This decision will only benefit Pakistan and Kashmiris.
 
Of course it will transform the region for the better.

First of all Ladakh is majority Buddhist with a large Shia minority. They are entrenched in their loyalty towards India.

J&K was controlled by 3 families. The corruption was abundant, no panchayat elections, money was directly being siphoned off by the 3 families. Leaving the rest to live in abject poverty.
Case in point Mebhooba Mufti's son indirectly owns the largest car dealership in Chennai TN (with Stalin, who opposed the 370 abrogation) . Every single MLA's kid in J&K's Assembly study or live abroad.
The country spends around 70k on a single Kashmiri when they spend 3k elsewhere, yet J&K citizens are poor and unemployed. No business could establish itself because of the 3 families.

Now JK is directly under Delhi's control, good luck getting even 1 inch of land. Pakistan will lose a war of economics, of military or diplomacy.
In a war of attrition India has 400B$ in reserves and can use that to blunt any Pakistani economic action.
In a war of military Pakistan will end up moving troops from FATA and Balochistan, not a wise move, they might lose their hold there.
In a war of diplomacy, not one country has supported Pakistan. Did Turkey recall its ambassador? How about Saudi Arabia or Algeria, or Morocco or how about Imran Khans new friend Trump?

This is a victory for India and Kashmir, and will guarantee BJP victory in 2024 and will further destroy Congress and other pissant opposition.

lol. You are delusional if you think this will bring peace and stability. If and when violence escalates not just in Kashmir but all over India, it will not be victory for the BJP or anyone else.
 
lol. You are delusional if you think this will bring peace and stability. If and when violence escalates not just in Kashmir but all over India, it will not be victory for the BJP or anyone else.

Well we shall see. As of now its 1-0 to India.
Even your Hamid Mir says this is a clear victory for India and BJP.
 
Whilst I agree that this can be beneficial for Pakistan yet my heart cry’s out for the Kashmiri folk who had their worlds turned upside down.

They are not part of India and their nationality has been slowly eroded.

I said on another thread that IK should call their bluff... pull the troops out and let the entire Kashmir have their plebiscite... see then if India complies. Let the world see it.

Many have held the view of Pakistan withdrawing to allow for a vote.

However can the Indians be trusted to do the same? What if they just walked into AK the very next day?

Could foreign troops (US/Russia as UN wouldn'tnbe of any use) be used to cover the area whilst elections are held?
 
Well we shall see. As of now its 1-0 to India.
Even your Hamid Mir says this is a clear victory for India and BJP.

Hamid Mir is a traitor, only his ilk take him seriouisly in Pakistan.

1-0? This isnt a football match, this is real life. India has created a future of unrest and violence for decades to come. There is no danger to Pakistan but only to the innocent people of Kashmir and Indian terrorist soldiers.
 
Well we shall see. As of now its 1-0 to India.
Even your Hamid Mir says this is a clear victory for India and BJP.

Talking about victory or score lines sounds absurd! We are dealing with human lives - lives of Kashmiri civilians, and armed forces. Human lives are more precious than anything else including the pride of the country. Let us advocate for peace and better life for all of the people in the region.

To begin, let us be restrained in our online conversations. Then urge our elected officials to go for negotiations.
 
Well we shall see. As of now its 1-0 to India.
Even your Hamid Mir says this is a clear victory for India and BJP.

Ah yes the true mentality comes out..always just been a scorecard for you. Not someone's mother or sister
 
Hamid Mir is a traitor, only his ilk take him seriouisly in Pakistan.

1-0? This isnt a football match, this is real life. India has created a future of unrest and violence for decades to come. There is no danger to Pakistan but only to the innocent people of Kashmir and Indian terrorist soldiers.
It will just make your day if that happens, so you can say i told you so.

Here’’s hoping things work out for better.
The status quo wasn’t good for anyone and wasn’t getting anywhere.
Now it’s a clear choice, accept the reality of the situation and go with it.
 
Whilst I agree that this can be beneficial for Pakistan yet my heart cry’s out for the Kashmiri folk who had their worlds turned upside down.

They are not part of India and their nationality has been slowly eroded.

I said on another thread that IK should call their bluff... pull the troops out and let the entire Kashmir have their plebiscite... see then if India complies. Let the world see it.

The concept of political boundaries is man-made by all possible means of manipulation, force and sometimes consensus. While your tears for Kashmir may be real and may have justification to an extent, it will be interesting to know if you cry similarly for Xinjhiang or Balochistan. If not then you know more about yourself than anybody else.

There are definite concerns on how arbitrarily this has been done by GOI finding loopholes in the Constitution and whether it will really lead to any solution. But there is no denial of the fact that Article 35A has been a bogus rule which served no purpose and only institutionalized the divide. I am glad that it is repealed now. It is also true that Ladakh is not part of Jammu& Kashmir either culturally or any means and bifurcating it is the right thing to do with J&K politicians really playing no effective role there.

Now degrading the state to an union territory is really a baffling decision. It is absolutely not clear how does it help by undermining the current political leadership who even though good for nothing has been still the only legislative representative of people of Kashmir. While I agree with some of the steps in principal, this as usual is another decision from this government which is more gimmick and less though and sensitivity has been put as far as implementation is concerned. The steps will only alienate a section of the society further and it's difficult to see any solution coming out of it.
 
Congratulations to Modi on ending the conflict that has plagued the development of both countries for so long.

This decision will only benefit Pakistan and Kashmiris.

The conflict hasn't ended lmaoo otherwise India would pull all their troops back. Until both countries drop their territorial claims then the conflict won't end.
 
Why You’re Wrong In Celebrating The Removal Of Article 370
Atif Yamin in Governance, Kashmir, News, Politics
a day ago
Today, a bill to scrap off Article 370 of the Indian Constitution was introduced in the Parliament by the Union Home Minister, Amit Shah. A lot of us look at it as the permanent ‘solution’ to the problem of Kashmir. But here is why the move is wrong at all fronts:

Breach Of Contract
On October 26 1947, in the wake of the Pakistani people occupying a large part of Jammu and Kashmir (what we today call PoK), the then ruler of the state, Maharaja Hari Singh signed the Instrument of Accession. It merged the state of Jammu and Kashmir with the Union of India and it is the sole thread binding the two pieces of land. Under the Instrument of Accession, Jammu and Kashmir surrendered three subjects — defense, external affairs, and communications but it came with a few strings attached.

Clause 7 of the Instrument of Accession signed by Maharaja Hari Singh declared that the State could not be compelled to accept any future Constitution of India. The State was within its rights to draft its own Constitution and to decide for itself what additional powers to extend to the Central Government. Article 370 was designed to protect those rights.

Unlike what a lot of us believe, Jammu and Kashmir was not the only state to bargain its share of privileges. There were 12 states who got Special Provisions. Therefore, today when the President signs that bill, all it means is that the Union of India is going back on its words. The same words that got Jammu and Kashmir signing the agreement.

We cannot, therefore, ignore the fact that Article 370 is the basis of the contract called the Instrument of Accession.


A light aircraft tows a banner with the words “India Stop Genocide & Free Kashmir” in the sky above the ground during the 2019 Cricket World Cup group stage match between Sri Lanka and India at Headingley in Leeds, northern England, on July 6, 2019. (Photo by Dibyangshu Sarkar / AFP)
An Attack On Federalism
India calls itself a Union of States. The Constitution guarantees every single state the right to self governance which is why we have Chief Ministers in every state, unlike Union Territories where we have Lieutenant Governors appointed by the Centre.

Jammu and Kashmir signed to be a State and not a Union Territory. So, today, even after the President signs the piece of paper that was given just an hour of discussion to decide the fate of 1.25 crore people, it will have to pass through the state legislative assembly with a two-third majority. Right now, the Governor of Jammu and Kashmir, former BJP Leader, has dissolved the state assembly making him the Constitutional head of the state. To the President, Amit Shah quoted the Governor’s consent as the consent of the State. RIP federalism!

The Pride India Took In The UN’s Advice
When India approached the United Nations to solve the Kashmir crisis, the solution that was laid out had three conditions:

Demilitarisation of PoK by Pakistan
Demilitarisation by India
A referendum to be conducted wherein the Kashmiris will decide their fate
Until today, owing to Article 35(A), no outsider could own a property in Jammu and Kashmir. This always gave an upper edge to India on the international platform which, unlike Pakistan, claimed that only the original inhabitants and their families live in Jammu and Kashmir. So, if a referendum were to take place today (although it is highly unlikely), only the actual stakeholders would vote for themselves. Now, anyone can go in and be a resident of Kashmir. So, the bleakest possibility of a referendum is now permanently ruled out.

By the way, outsiders cannot own land in Himachal Pradesh too.

What Does Scrapping Article 370 Actually Mean?
Jammu and Kashmir already has the Armed Forces Special Powers Act. After today, it will be divided into two separate Union Territories: Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh. The former will have an assembly but will still be ruled by the LG.

Today’s move very clearly states that the local leadership of the State does not matter to the Union. The Union holds absolute authority over the State now. The representation of the Kashmiris would no matter have a say for issues relating to Kashmir.

The local leaders are under house arrest, just like Atal Bihari Vajpayee and LK Advani were, during the emergency. The Amarnath Yatra has been called off for the first time in 25 years. Army deployment is at its peak. Communication is suspended between Jammu and Kashmir and the rest of India.

Today, let us just take time out to read what Jayaprakash Narayan had to say in 1966 about Kashmir, “If we continue to rule by force and suppress these people and crush them or change the racial or religious character of their state by colonization, or by any other means, then I think that means politically a most obnoxious thing to do.”

Also Read: Government Succeeds In Revoking Article 370: Were Amit Shah’s Shrewd Strategies At Play?
Rajdeep Sardesai also has an interesting take on the whole issue, “Societies move ahead by instilling hope and confidence in its citizens, not by spreading fear and uncertainty. And genuine change never comes at gunpoint but through reforming hearts and minds.”

So, while you will be thumping your chests with chants of support today, there will be thousands of students from Jammu and Kashmir who would have no channel of communication with their parents back home.

Congratulations 🙂
 
I´m obviously angered by this decision by India. Feel heartbroken for Kashmiris who´ve been robbed off their dream of gaining independence. I´ve full sympathy for them, especially the families who´ve lost their innocent beloved ones in this conflict. They must be shattered!

However, Allah knows best as to whether this incredibly bitter decision ends up bringing down the curtains on the conflict. Hard to say anything on this for the time being. Time will tell. My biggest concern will always be the lives of the people of Kashmir.
 
Many have held the view of Pakistan withdrawing to allow for a vote.

However can the Indians be trusted to do the same? What if they just walked into AK the very next day?

Could foreign troops (US/Russia as UN wouldn'tnbe of any use) be used to cover the area whilst elections are held?

Don't be naive. Amit Shah will hoist the Indian flag on the highest peak in Gilgit if Pak withdraws. There is no plebisite.
 
I´m obviously angered by this decision by India. Feel heartbroken for Kashmiris who´ve been robbed off their dream of gaining independence. I´ve full sympathy for them, especially the families who´ve lost their innocent beloved ones in this conflict. They must be shattered!

However, Allah knows best as to whether this incredibly bitter decision ends up bringing down the curtains on the conflict. Hard to say anything on this for the time being. Time will tell. My biggest concern will always be the lives of the people of Kashmir.
You have to be too thick that this will bring down the curtains on the conflict. This will increase 100 times the conflict. Everyone is crying, broken as if they have lost most lovable thing
 
I am prepared to accept the OP's reasoning if he can explain why the same logic shouldn't apply to all of Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. In place of Kashmir, you can put those countries too.
 
I am prepared to accept the OP's reasoning if he can explain why the same logic shouldn't apply to all of Pakistan and Bangladesh as well. In place of Kashmir, you can put those countries too.

Sorry, Kashmir's eternal bond with India cannot be equated with Pakistan/Bangladesh relationship with India. Not the same. Its an apples and oranges comparison.

Here is the simple explanation:

Kashmir was and is an integral part of India. Pakistan and Bangladesh were but ARE NOT an integral part of India.

The revocation of article 370 corrects a historic wrong, so that mother India can nurture and nourish Kashmir to its natural great potential, away from the evil eye of trouble makers who have been sending 'non state actors' into Kashmir for decades.

Once Indian Kashmir has been fully integrated into mother India and full two way integration takes place (whereby Indian from all parts of the country go and buy land and make investments in Kashmir and make it a super developed paradise), then it shall be time for Mother India to re-integrate those parts of Kashmir that were forcibly occupied by Pakistan.

Pakistan occupied Kashmir, has to be integrated back into Mother India because all of Kashmir is an integral part of India, and despite occupying forces of Pakistan Army that have held her down for 70+ years, natural harmony requires that a child be reunited with its mother. The kidnapped child (Pak Occupied Kashmir) cannot be forced to love its kidnapper as if the kidnapper is the mother of the child. The child will crave for its mother, just as the mother will forever crave for the child.

A child and its mother should be, and shall be, reunited. After Indian Kashmir reintegration begins, Mother India should embark on righting the historic wrong, and reunite Pakistan occupied Kashmir with Mother India. In other words, make azaad Kashmir truly azaad by bringing it back home to its mother.

As for Bangladesh and Pakistan, Pakistan was made an independent sovereign nation with India participating in the process. That point on, how many ever pieces Pakistan splinters into has zero consequences to India. Today Bangladesh is a sovereign country having been carved out of Pakistan.

Tomorrow, if Pakistan were to get balkanized further into Balochistan, Sindh etc., that is not Mother India's problem. I for one hope that such a day never comes, because the world does not want any more chaos, and a stable Pakistan is to every one's advantage. But if Pakistan were to dis integrate into nation states (for the sake of answering your point), Mother India shall have no interest what so ever in any other splinters of Pakistan.

Mother India is only interested in re-integrating its child Pak occupied Kashmir back where it belongs - with Mother India. All sensible Pakistani friends must support Mother India's quest to reintegrate Pak Occupied Kashmir back with India.

Thereafter India and Pakistan can be eternal friends.
 
You have to be too thick that this will bring down the curtains on the conflict. This will increase 100 times the conflict. Everyone is crying, broken as if they have lost most lovable thing

As an armchair expert sitting miles away, it is of course very easy for me to imagine all the scenarios. The depth of this blow is only known to the Kashmiris living over there, obviously. I was just expressing a hope.

I´ve never quite known a Kashmiri in life, and judging from your posts on the forum I get the impression that you´re one. If indeed you´re, I´d just like to express my sympathy and concerns for you people. I´ve been and I´ll continue to pray for the people of Kashmir.
 
As an armchair expert sitting miles away, it is of course very easy for me to imagine all the scenarios. The depth of this blow is only known to the Kashmiris living over there, obviously. I was just expressing a hope.

I´ve never quite known a Kashmiri in life, and judging from your posts on the forum I get the impression that you´re one. If indeed you´re, I´d just like to express my sympathy and concerns for you people. I´ve been and I´ll continue to pray for the people of Kashmir.

Thanks souch brother.. Tomorrow I am going back home and would you believe I have to travel 60 kms by foot with numerous security checks at every point and of course I am certain army will beat me bcz they are not even sparing injured persons who are coming in ambulances towards srinagar hospitals. I don't know whether I am doing good or bad traveling in such glum but parents told me that phone service will blocked you don't worry and come home somehow. If I don't travel they will be dead. Do you believe some people have not received yet the news such is the blockade.
 
Sorry, Kashmir's eternal bond with India cannot be equated with Pakistan/Bangladesh relationship with India. Not the same. Its an apples and oranges comparison.

Here is the simple explanation:

Kashmir was and is an integral part of India. Pakistan and Bangladesh were but ARE NOT an integral part of India.

Let me stop you right there. If Punjab and Bengal were - but now are NOT - an integral part of India, then by what logic is Kashmir forever an integral part of India? Please reply with logic rather than idealistic Hindutva rhetoric.
 
Thanks souch brother.. Tomorrow I am going back home and would you believe I have to travel 60 kms by foot with numerous security checks at every point and of course I am certain army will beat me bcz they are not even sparing injured persons who are coming in ambulances towards srinagar hospitals. I don't know whether I am doing good or bad traveling in such glum but parents told me that phone service will blocked you don't worry and come home somehow. If I don't travel they will be dead. Do you believe some people have not received yet the news such is the blockade.

Oh´ God! This is horrible to know!

Stay safe, brother. I don´t think that I can have any advice to give, but I´ll pray for your safety, and that of your family, beloved ones and other Kashmiris. If I were in your place, I might´ve avoided going back, but I fully understand that you´d want to be with the rest of your family right now. Take care and remember the Almighty much. Hopefully there´s light at the end of the tunnel. Hold on!
 
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